Why do I/we dislike Brady Quinn so much? (1 Viewer)

[Jayded]

Being a 4 year starter will make people start to look for the bad in someone, because they already know the good. Jamarcus Russell was a nobody before last season, so he's the flavor of the year. I'll bet that if he was around a long time he would suffer more criticism. Who the hell was Alex Smith the year before his last at Utah? Jeff George came out of nowhere to be the draft darling.

Exactly what I was thinking going into this thread. He's had 4 years on a national stage to get nitpicked and have his warts exposed as a QB. Russell's name didn't really hit the national limelight before this past year as a potential first round NFL pick.

To top that off, how many scouts were projecting Russell to go in the top 5 before the Sugar Bowl? Did his value really increase that much by performing well against the 65th rated defense?

Seriously, does passing well out of this pocket really impress anyone?

 

[TwinTurbo]

I don't have a problem with Quinn. It's just that I don't think he's clearly better than Drew Stanton or to a lesser extent, Trent Edwards. All of these guys have talent along with question marks. All of them were highly recruited by top college programs, but unfortunately Stanton and Edwards picked MSU and Stanford. Stanton and Quinn played head to head in a couple of games and both put up huge numbers.

I honestly like Stanton more overall than Quinn. This second tier of QB's is the best I've seen in a few years. I think this is the year to hold off on drafting a QB early and wait until the late first or early second to pull the trigger.

 

[hutchins929]

I belief Quinn's sister is married to AJ Hawk now, not just dating him

 

[massraider]

To top that off, how many scouts were projecting Russell to go in the top 5 before the Sugar Bowl? Did his value really increase that much by performing well against the 65th rated defense?

No, his profile did. Just because the knuckleheads at ESPN finally paid attention to him, does that mean that NFL scouts had no idea who he was?Man, we have posters on this board talking up JaMarcus in September, after his sophomore year, speculating he was a 1st rounder if he chose to come out.Ya think maybe it's possible that while most amateur draftniks with a computer didn't know who he was before the Sugar Bowl, that the NFL might have?

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Neither QB will do well with Oakland for at least a few years. So let's agree not to judge either should they end up there.

 

[DeCleater]

Quinn the last 2 years under Weis. 69 TD's14 Int'sThose are great numbers anywhere.Quinn will be a very good NFL QB.

Carr the last two years at Fresno69 TD's20 Int'sSimilarly great numbers "anywhere."(My point is that I'm not sure college stats are worth a hill of beans. Someone correctly pointed out to me earlier that college passer rating is near worthless. The number I like to look at in college is YPA, which is not a great number for Quinn)

Carr was the #1 pick of the draft with those numbers. To bad he went to a team that couldn't block and got killed. If Quinn goes to Oakland he is in danger of having the same fate.

 

[DeCleater]

I root against all overexposed programs like USC and Cal, because their exposure does a disservice to standout players at smaller schools. As a result I usually root against overexposed players, especially if I feel they've been overrated by the media as a result of their exposure. Lienart, Rodgers, Lendale fall into this category IMHO.There's a lot to like about Lienart. He's a good kid, works his ### off and would most likely be a good role model. But there are a lot of good kids that work their ### off and that would be good role models that come from other schools that will be undervalued because they simply didn't get the exposure that Lienart was fortunate enough to have.Jay Cutler for example impressed me twice as much as Lienart over the past year. He's more accurate and appeared to manage the games much better. Don't get me wrong I know USC plays a significantly tougher schedule than Vandy, but my opinion is if you plugged Cutler into the USC offense you'd get a more consistent performer. Yet Cutler is a second round prospect at best and Lienart is getting top 5 hype. I don't hate Lienart, but I do root against him and root for guys like Cutler.

LHUCKS seeing the world through Elton John sized Pac-10 homer glasses.

Ummm... Leinart IS a Pac 10 guy and LHUCKS isn't exactly praising him to the gods here....

That wasn't my post, he edited it and left it as if I had made the post ...which IMHO shouldn't be allowed in this forum.

Sorry, I forgot the "Fixed". But thanks for noticing.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I root against all overexposed programs like USC and Cal, because their exposure does a disservice to standout players at smaller schools. As a result I usually root against overexposed players, especially if I feel they've been overrated by the media as a result of their exposure. Lienart, Rodgers, Lendale fall into this category IMHO.There's a lot to like about Lienart. He's a good kid, works his ### off and would most likely be a good role model. But there are a lot of good kids that work their ### off and that would be good role models that come from other schools that will be undervalued because they simply didn't get the exposure that Lienart was fortunate enough to have.Jay Cutler for example impressed me twice as much as Lienart over the past year. He's more accurate and appeared to manage the games much better. Don't get me wrong I know USC plays a significantly tougher schedule than Vandy, but my opinion is if you plugged Cutler into the USC offense you'd get a more consistent performer. Yet Cutler is a second round prospect at best and Lienart is getting top 5 hype. I don't hate Lienart, but I do root against him and root for guys like Cutler.

LHUCKS seeing the world through Elton John sized Pac-10 homer glasses.

Ummm... Leinart IS a Pac 10 guy and LHUCKS isn't exactly praising him to the gods here....

That wasn't my post, he edited it and left it as if I had made the post ...which IMHO shouldn't be allowed in this forum.

Sorry, I forgot the "Fixed". But thanks for noticing.

Yipes. I don't know whether to say you're welcome or sorry. Is there a choice for 'he kicked my dog once'?Myself, I just haven't seen him win a big game. And yes, other great QBs have been failures at that in college. But IMO, he's no slam dunk, which alot of folks seem to be saying.I could be wrong -- we'll find out in a few years....

 

[Alwazefun]

I am still unsure who I think will be the better QB, but I found the numbers in this article very interesting. Forgive any typos I couldnt find a link so I typed it from the magazine.

Quoted From: "How Do you Seperate the Peyton Mannings from the Ryan Leafs"

ESPN NFL DRAFT GUIDE 2007

................ Peyton proponets argued that he was more mature and accomplished. Leaf Backers argued he had the stronger arm and more growh potential. But all the Colts really needed to know was four numbers: Manning started 45 college games, completing 63% of his passes; Leaf started 24 games, completing 54% of his passes. The future couldnt be more clear.

It's true: college satatistics really can prdict NFL performance. For our 2006 Pro Football prospectus, we studied 10 years' worth of drafts and discovered that the single greatest indicator of NFL success for QBs taken in the first 2 rounds is the number of college games they started. Phillip Rivers, for one, started 51 games at NC State. Mcnabb started 49 games and Carson Palmer started 45. On the flip side, bust-to-be Joey harrington (28), Jim Druckenmiller (24), and Akili Smith (19) had relatively little starting experience.

The other inportant predictor is completion percentage. Ben Roethlisberger completed more then 65% of his college passes. Rivers completed 64%. Both Manning brothers had completion percentages above 60%, as did Drew Brees, Matt Leinert, and Vince Young. Leaf and Druckenmiller, on the other hand couldnt complete 55% of their passes. Harrington, Smith and Cade McNown barely did. Kyle Boller didnt even complete half of his college passes.

What about the QBs who will go early in the 2007 draft? Brady Quinn started 45 games and completed 58% of his passes, almost identical to McNabb and halfway between Palmer and Jay Cutler. JaMarcus Russell completed 62% of his passes but had just 29 starts. Those numbers are similar to Kellen Clemens' and Rex Grossman's. .........................

 

[Kit Fisto]

 

[Colin Dowling]

Quinn the last 2 years under Weis. 69 TD's14 Int'sThose are great numbers anywhere.Quinn will be a very good NFL QB.

Carr the last two years at Fresno69 TD's20 Int'sSimilarly great numbers "anywhere."(My point is that I'm not sure college stats are worth a hill of beans. Someone correctly pointed out to me earlier that college passer rating is near worthless. The number I like to look at in college is YPA, which is not a great number for Quinn)

Carr was the #1 pick of the draft with those numbers. To bad he went to a team that couldn't block and got killed. If Quinn goes to Oakland he is in danger of having the same fate.

To be fair, the alternative was Joe Harrington.

 

[dparker713]

Quinn the last 2 years under Weis. 69 TD's14 Int'sThose are great numbers anywhere.Quinn will be a very good NFL QB.

Carr the last two years at Fresno69 TD's20 Int'sSimilarly great numbers "anywhere."(My point is that I'm not sure college stats are worth a hill of beans. Someone correctly pointed out to me earlier that college passer rating is near worthless. The number I like to look at in college is YPA, which is not a great number for Quinn)

Carr was the #1 pick of the draft with those numbers. To bad he went to a team that couldn't block and got killed. If Quinn goes to Oakland he is in danger of having the same fate.

To be fair, the alternative was Joe Harrington.

Actually, the alrenative was Julius Peppers.