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The Jets ownership situation was still in flux when this was going on. No one knew what type owner Johnson was going to be.I agree he didn't want Parcells breating down his neck,, but this seemingly accepted idea that the ownership was weak.... where does that come from? just because there was a new onwer? Like Hess was a great owner? He was the guy that hired Kotite for cryin out loud. W Johnson has proven to be a commited owner in it for the long haul. The hiring of Mangini and Tannenbaum proves that out. So does letting Hermie go to KC. Johnson is a solid owner, low profile, which is good, and hands off the football operation. An ideal owner, IMO.That is a lot of hate man.Bellichick is a great coach.Parcells is a great coach.Mangini looks to be headed in the right direction.To call Bellichick a chump is classless and arrogant because you do not know what went on behind closed doors. I think Bellichick did want the jets coaching job because of the weak ownership situation and also he didn't want to be coaching a team with Parcells in the front office looking down on him.He is a chump - just like Parcells was for what he did to NE which was just as bad. So don't think I'm revising history from a Jets point of view. But focusing on Bellichump - he is just as low class as Parcells. He stole $1M of Leon Hess' money and ran out of town in an embarassing napkin written resignation where he couldn't even spell out "Head Coach" or the team he was contracted to coach. He is the definition of scumbag!Mangini went the traditional route - he worked hard and was given an opportunity. He had every right to take that Jet job. There was no blood money in place that he accepted unlike Bellijerk. My point is not to point out that Bellihole is a jerk - history shows the kind of "man" he is - but rather for him to hold a grudge against his protege for taking a legitimate job and acting classless like he has is more evidence of him being the biggest tool of a "HC" ever. What is priceless will be when the circle is complete and Bellidump falls at the sword of his own protege
Classless and arrogant? Wrong guy - that is on BB. As a jet fan - there was an entire future invested in this guy which he was compensated for to the tune of $1M which he greedily took without reservation - that is a fact. When it came time for him to make good on his collection of the money and be "HC of the NYJ" - he turned tail and ran to NE and daddy Kraft - fact. He took money from my team and screwed them which indirectly comes from my obscene ticket prices - then ran to our rival taking any good coach with him. Jet fans then had to endure years of Al Groh and Sermon Edwards. All factsHe didn't like the ownership and Parcells situation - then don't take the money and sign on the dotted line! I'm sure most Jet fans despise BB just as NE fans have the right to despise Parcells. I wouldn't call a NE fan classless for hating Parcells for what he did to them during their SB week - I have earned the right to hate on that piece of crap. He's a great coach - so what?That is a lot of hate man.Bellichick is a great coach.Parcells is a great coach.Mangini looks to be headed in the right direction.To call Bellichick a chump is classless and arrogant because you do not know what went on behind closed doors. I think Bellichick did want the jets coaching job because of the weak ownership situation and also he didn't want to be coaching a team with Parcells in the front office looking down on him.He is a chump - just like Parcells was for what he did to NE which was just as bad. So don't think I'm revising history from a Jets point of view. But focusing on Bellichump - he is just as low class as Parcells. He stole $1M of Leon Hess' money and ran out of town in an embarassing napkin written resignation where he couldn't even spell out "Head Coach" or the team he was contracted to coach. He is the definition of scumbag!Mangini went the traditional route - he worked hard and was given an opportunity. He had every right to take that Jet job. There was no blood money in place that he accepted unlike Bellijerk. My point is not to point out that Bellihole is a jerk - history shows the kind of "man" he is - but rather for him to hold a grudge against his protege for taking a legitimate job and acting classless like he has is more evidence of him being the biggest tool of a "HC" ever. What is priceless will be when the circle is complete and Bellidump falls at the sword of his own protege
I hope there's more to it than this. Because even coming from a Belichick apologist, he still comes off as a goof.
Now that would have been entertaining.Bill looks bitter and childish in this instance. The loss must have made him want to choke Mangini.
Go with your real feelings Bill.
I mean, that's not true at all. If you watched his press conferences week in and week out, which you obviously don't, you would see that there's an obvious difference with the way he talks about a given week's head coach (with respect, good coach, lip service, etc) with the way he talks about Mangini (he doesn't acknowledge he exists).
Belichick again averted his eyes, and said nothing. Mangini did say at least a sentence, but what he said was impossible to lip read. It was another dead fish handshake from Bellichick. I have to give Mangini a lot of credit for how he has handled the cold shoulder, taking the high road. I think that Mangini would like to make the friendship repairable, but Belichick obviously has no interest in that at this point. He really comes off as a fool in this whole situation from where I sit, but obviously don't know all the details.... only Mangini and Belichick know that.PS: Belichick has spoken glowingly about some Jets coaches, like Westoff, and still does. He treats Mangini as a non-entity.
this is great. all the big bad 3-time SuperBowl Champion Pats fans in here squirming in their shorts because the crappy Jets and their rookie coach are breathing right down their necks. sweet
Discussing the question posed by the OP = sqirming in our shorts?Nice game by Mangini and the Jets. But we'll keep Belichick, thanks.
A "chump" is a stupid or foolish person. You seriously think Belichick is a stupid or foolish person?Your post reads like that of a very bitter Jets fan who wishes Belichick had stuck around to coach his team.He is a chump - just like Parcells was for what he did to NE which was just as bad. So don't think I'm revising history from a Jets point of view. But focusing on Bellichump - he is just as low class as Parcells. He stole $1M of Leon Hess' money and ran out of town in an embarassing napkin written resignation where he couldn't even spell out "Head Coach" or the team he was contracted to coach. He is the definition of scumbag!Mangini went the traditional route - he worked hard and was given an opportunity. He had every right to take that Jet job. There was no blood money in place that he accepted unlike Bellijerk. My point is not to point out that Bellihole is a jerk - history shows the kind of "man" he is - but rather for him to hold a grudge against his protege for taking a legitimate job and acting classless like he has is more evidence of him being the biggest tool of a "HC" ever. What is priceless will be when the circle is complete and Bellidump falls at the sword of his own protege
I'm a Jets fan and I will say this -- Belichick has done alot with not much. Which is not to say that the pats have no talent or have over-achieved - but he is able to take a team that isn't a home run (no big time WR, no big time RB - mostly, solid but unspectacular D) and manage it to be greater then the sum of it's parts.I think many other coaches would have failed miserably in NE. Belichick is solid and whether he's a nice guy is irrelevent to me. He wins alot. And given the team he's had in the past, it's impressive.One can only hope Mangini is in the same mold and it appears he is so far.this is great. all the big bad 3-time SuperBowl Champion Pats fans in here squirming in their shorts because the crappy Jets and their rookie coach are breathing right down their necks. sweet
He's fishing, Borat.A "chump" is a stupid or foolish person. You seriously think Belichick is a stupid or foolish person?Your post reads like that of a very bitter Jets fan who wishes Belichick had stuck around to coach his team.He is a chump - just like Parcells was for what he did to NE which was just as bad. So don't think I'm revising history from a Jets point of view. But focusing on Bellichump - he is just as low class as Parcells. He stole $1M of Leon Hess' money and ran out of town in an embarassing napkin written resignation where he couldn't even spell out "Head Coach" or the team he was contracted to coach. He is the definition of scumbag!Mangini went the traditional route - he worked hard and was given an opportunity. He had every right to take that Jet job. There was no blood money in place that he accepted unlike Bellijerk. My point is not to point out that Bellihole is a jerk - history shows the kind of "man" he is - but rather for him to hold a grudge against his protege for taking a legitimate job and acting classless like he has is more evidence of him being the biggest tool of a "HC" ever. What is priceless will be when the circle is complete and Bellidump falls at the sword of his own protege
What a load of nonsense. Of course Belichick took coaches from the Jets to the Patriots - why wouldn't he? Parcells wasn't sticking around. There was no head coach left to be loyal to. Why would they stick around for Al Groh's new regime? If Parcells had remained the head coach, you'd have a point. But he didn't, so you don't.
I strongly disagree with this. The Patriots were 5-11 in Belichick's first year with the Patriots, and even in 2001 (Belichick's second year) when they won the Super Bowl, Joel Buchsbaum called them the least talented team in the entire league before the season started.
Borat, I'm not saying you're wrong -- but you're making the same assumptions Rovers is. You seem to be saying 'well we - the fans - don't know for sure but it's true'. In the sentence I italicised, you're saying that (or appear to) while we can't know what Mangini did, YOU do by virtue of the fact that Bilichick dislikes Mangini, so the rumors must have been true. And you don't. Nobody does for sure. We can guess - but that's all it is.
You are right, I didn't mean for it to come out like that, but I shouldn't have used the word "truth" there. My point was that you can't assume unsubtantiated rumors are true. But you are correct, you cannot assume that they are not true, either.
As a Jets fan, I don't think there was a more satisfying win for me in the last 4 years than Sunday's victory in Foxboro. Belichick ran off that field like a scalded dog. How freakin' sweet.Regardless of how Belichick sees it, it really makes him come off as an idiot.Young assistant coaches are using their position as a springboard to become a head coach. Belichick did it, as well. So what, it happens that the opportunity came up for Mangini on a division rival.Did Belichick really expect Mangini to remain a coordinator when a head coach position opened up for him?Bill looks bitter and childish in this instance. The loss must have made him want to choke Mangini.
And that's the nature of this -- I think, and just my opinion here, it's a little childish to be so angry over Mangini pursuing the Jets opportunity as soon as he saw it. Like a spurned girlfriend. Not speaking his name? Come on, Bill. You're a grown up.But we're all human - and sometimes get angry over stuff that in the grand scheme of things isn't THAT big a deal. Maybe one day they'll get together and sing kumbayah.
Congrats.As a Jets fan, I don't think there was a more satisfying win for me in the last 4 years than Sunday's victory in Foxboro. Belichick ran off that field like a scalded dog. How freakin' sweet.Regardless of how Belichick sees it, it really makes him come off as an idiot.Young assistant coaches are using their position as a springboard to become a head coach. Belichick did it, as well. So what, it happens that the opportunity came up for Mangini on a division rival.Did Belichick really expect Mangini to remain a coordinator when a head coach position opened up for him?Bill looks bitter and childish in this instance. The loss must have made him want to choke Mangini.
they became much more talented when Mo lewis leveled Bledsoe, putting him on the sidelines and opening the door for Brady
I agree. And if the Jets did jack up Branch's price just to weaken the Patriots, their biggest division rival, that is smart business! Belichick is just pissed that it worked, and the Patriots are weaker because of it.
I kind of care. Only because Belichick, particularly last year, has been all but deified by the media. The Halberstam book came out, everyone focused on his relationship with his father, on how he was the antidote to the "egotism" of the modern professional athlete. Hell, even his divorce was portrayed as one of those "poor Bill is just too driven by the game" type of things.Then it turns out he had a years long affair with some chick in the Giants organization. And now his conception of team loyalty starts to look a lot like a sort of entitlement complex.I'll never say anything bad about the guy as a coach. He knows the game. And many of his unsentimental decisions were probably the right ones. But I think far too much has been made of that to the point where the guy seems to almost take pride in showing he can let key members of the team go and win without them. I think there is a degree of egotism there. No biggie, just about every good coach has a little healthy bit of the ####### in him, and it's not as if Belichick didn't learn that from the king.
I thought that was true about everything.
I'm making MYSELF look foolish? No, that is what Belichick is doing. Like I said, neither you nor I know what exactly went down. That was my point, and your response reeks of homerism. What Belichick has done has in fact made him look like a whimpy sore loser. Now, Belichick has never gone out of his way to make anyone happy, especially the press, the Boston press in particular, but he does come off looking like a real jerk. I'm sure he doesn't care. He has the rings to suppost him, and he's a genius HC, so he gets away with it, but only to an extent.
Not fishing at all - don't need to split hairs - if he's not a chump by your deinition then I'll go with scumbag! Please see my prior posts for the multiple reasons.He's fishing, Borat.A "chump" is a stupid or foolish person. You seriously think Belichick is a stupid or foolish person?Your post reads like that of a very bitter Jets fan who wishes Belichick had stuck around to coach his team.He is a chump - just like Parcells was for what he did to NE which was just as bad. So don't think I'm revising history from a Jets point of view. But focusing on Bellichump - he is just as low class as Parcells. He stole $1M of Leon Hess' money and ran out of town in an embarassing napkin written resignation where he couldn't even spell out "Head Coach" or the team he was contracted to coach. He is the definition of scumbag!Mangini went the traditional route - he worked hard and was given an opportunity. He had every right to take that Jet job. There was no blood money in place that he accepted unlike Bellijerk. My point is not to point out that Bellihole is a jerk - history shows the kind of "man" he is - but rather for him to hold a grudge against his protege for taking a legitimate job and acting classless like he has is more evidence of him being the biggest tool of a "HC" ever. What is priceless will be when the circle is complete and Bellidump falls at the sword of his own protege
Belichick has had ties to New England his entire life. Isn't it possible that he wanted to make the move to New England, and that spiting Parcells had nothing to do with it?It is what it is said:Agreed.This is called Karma Kramer.
Belichick took many staff members from Parcells staff, when Parcells stepped down, specifically so Belichick could take the Jets job. Then Belichick bolts to New England as a slap in the face to Parcells, and does this despite (or in spite, for better words) the well documented troubles between his former boss Parcells (with owner Kraft) and New England. Belichick then recruits staff members from the Parcells (who was the Jets GM at the time)-Groh Jets team...and Parcells allows this without a negative word said on the subject.
Belichick and Parcells weren't talking to each other. Why is it automatically Belichick's fault that they weren't speaking?Belichick then goes on an extended period of a non speaking with Parcells...much in the same childish way Belichick is now doing with Eric Mangini.
The only difference here is that now the tables are reversed...as in it's Mangini, not Belichick, who is now doing the taking from his former boss.
NFL karma at it's finest...
You say that my responses reek of homerism, but I can make the same accusation right back at you. There are two sides to this story.And please stop saying that I am "a wee bit slow" on the concept that only these two HCs know what went down. I've already stated that fact in this thread, probably more than once.
It is definitely good, intelligent business on Mangini's part, if that's what it's all about.But how would Mort know? Seems like speculation on his part, just like we're all speculating. Just one more unsubstantiated rumor to throw into this discussion.
