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Why does San Diego suck? (1 Viewer)

San Diego doesn't have the character of a much older city. It's not famous for cheesesteaks or hot dogs or murders or funny accents or super tall buildings or insane sports fans or cobble-stone roads.
Every San Diegan ever talks non-stop about fish tacos and their inability to get decent Mexican food elsewhere. Pretty sure Tony Gwynn is deningrating the quality of a chile relleno somewhere right now.
:lmao: I did have some very high quality Mexican there, which included fish tacos festooned with cilantro.
Festooned!!!!!!!!!!111111111In all seriousness there's nothing quite like partaking in some Bull Taco's overlooking the Pacific in Cardiff or walking the beach to Encinitas for a morning :coffee:

 
San Diego doesn't have the character of a much older city. It's not famous for cheesesteaks or hot dogs or murders or funny accents or super tall buildings or insane sports fans or cobble-stone roads.
Every San Diegan ever talks non-stop about fish tacos and their inability to get decent Mexican food elsewhere. Pretty sure Tony Gwynn is deningrating the quality of a chile relleno somewhere right now.
:lmao: I did have some very high quality Mexican there, which included fish tacos festooned with cilantro.
Well, nobody wants an un-festooned fish taco.
speak for yourself
 
Other than the weather, nothing is great about it. The ocean water is cold as ice, too close to Mexico, girls are meh IMO. After a night in the Gaslamp district and a day at Coronado and LaJolla you've seen it all. It's just boring. But there are very few large US cities that really stack up as awesome beyond the tourist locations. Taking some of the largest by population, I'd slot them like this in no particular order...Awesome: Chicago, New York, San Fran, Austin, BostonOK: New Orleans, Philly, Indy, Dallas, San Diego, Charlotte, DC, Baltimore, Seattle, Denver, San Anotnio, Miami, PortlandSuck: LA, Houston, Pheonix, Columbus (OH), Fort Worth, Detroit, El Paso, Memphis, Atlanta, San JoseAnd yes, I've been to all of these for at least 5 days.

 
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Other than the weather, nothing is great about it. The ocean water is cold as ice, too close to Mexico, girls are meh IMO. After a night in the Gaslamp district and a day at Coronado and LaJolla you've seen it all. It's just boring. But there are very few large US cities that really stack up as awesome beyond the tourist locations. Taking some of the largest by population, I'd slot them like this in no particular order...Awesome: Chicago, New York, San Fran, Austin, BostonOK: New Orleans, Philly, Indy, Dallas, San Diego, Charlotte, DC, Baltimore, Seattle, Denver, San Anotnio, Miami, PortlandSuck: LA, Houston, Pheonix, Columbus (OH), Fort Worth, Detroit, El Paso, Memphis, Atlanta, San JoseAnd yes, I've been to all of these for at least 5 days.
I like San Francisco, but having lived in San Francisco and San Diego for 5+ years each there is zero chance I would choose SF over San Diego. It's cold, dirty, and significantly more crowded.I have family in Fort Worth and have visited quite a bit and I think it's awesome. I've also heard great things about Atlanta, but you think they both suck.It all depends on what you like and what you want out of life.
 
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I somehow managed to visit San Diego and eat mediocre seafood and Mexican food the entire time. I didn't even think that was possible.
San Diego has changed a lot over the past few decades with so much domestic immigration. If you want good, authentic food you either go to a nice place or you go where the locals go.
 
Other than the weather, nothing is great about it. The ocean water is cold as ice, too close to Mexico, girls are meh IMO. After a night in the Gaslamp district and a day at Coronado and LaJolla you've seen it all. It's just boring. But there are very few large US cities that really stack up as awesome beyond the tourist locations. Taking some of the largest by population, I'd slot them like this in no particular order...Awesome: Chicago, New York, San Fran, Austin, BostonOK: New Orleans, Philly, Indy, Dallas, San Diego, Charlotte, DC, Baltimore, Seattle, Denver, San Anotnio, Miami, PortlandSuck: LA, Houston, Pheonix, Columbus (OH), Fort Worth, Detroit, El Paso, Memphis, Atlanta, San JoseAnd yes, I've been to all of these for at least 5 days.
I like San Francisco, but having lived in San Francisco and San Diego for 5+ years each there is zero chance I would choose SF over San Diego. It's cold, dirty, and significantly more crowded.I have family in Fort Worth and have visited quite a bit and I think it's awesome. I've also heard great things about Atlanta, but you think they both suck.It all depends on what you like and what you want out of life.
Definitely. To each their own. I have relatives in San Fran and like 100 relatives in Atlanta. Those in SF seem to be heppy. I HATE Atlanta. 8 generations of my family have lived in Georgia, so it's kind of my home away from home. But I've found Atlanta to be the rudest US city. The people there are mean and most have some kind of chip on their shoulder about the past, whether they are black or white. Hot as hell in summer. Not much culture. Buckhead is fun for the younger set and Alpharetta is nice for families, plus they have good golf. But overall I find it to be a melting pot of people that don't like each other.
 
Other than the weather, nothing is great about it. The ocean water is cold as ice, too close to Mexico, girls are meh IMO. After a night in the Gaslamp district and a day at Coronado and LaJolla you've seen it all. It's just boring.

But there are very few large US cities that really stack up as awesome beyond the tourist locations. Taking some of the largest by population, I'd slot them like this in no particular order...

Awesome: Chicago, New York, San Fran, Austin, Boston

OK: New Orleans, Philly, Indy, Dallas, San Diego, Charlotte, DC, Baltimore, Seattle, Denver, San Anotnio, Miami, Portland

Suck: LA, Houston, Pheonix, Columbus (OH), Fort Worth, Detroit, El Paso, Memphis, Atlanta, San Jose

And yes, I've been to all of these for at least 5 days.
Bolded the places I have lived.I loved living in El Paso.

Moving as much as I have in my life I've learned that every place has great things about it. Even El Paso.

 
Other than the weather, nothing is great about it. The ocean water is cold as ice, too close to Mexico, girls are meh IMO. After a night in the Gaslamp district and a day at Coronado and LaJolla you've seen it all. It's just boring.

But there are very few large US cities that really stack up as awesome beyond the tourist locations. Taking some of the largest by population, I'd slot them like this in no particular order...

Awesome: Chicago, New York, San Fran, Austin, Boston

OK: New Orleans, Philly, Indy, Dallas, San Diego, Charlotte, DC, Baltimore, Seattle, Denver, San Anotnio, Miami, Portland

Suck: LA, Houston, Pheonix, Columbus (OH), Fort Worth, Detroit, El Paso, Memphis, Atlanta, San Jose

And yes, I've been to all of these for at least 5 days.
Bolded the places I have lived.I loved living in El Paso.

Moving as much as I have in my life I've learned that every place has great things about it. Even El Paso.
You ever been to Gary, IN?
 
Other than the weather, nothing is great about it. The ocean water is cold as ice, too close to Mexico, girls are meh IMO. After a night in the Gaslamp district and a day at Coronado and LaJolla you've seen it all. It's just boring.

But there are very few large US cities that really stack up as awesome beyond the tourist locations. Taking some of the largest by population, I'd slot them like this in no particular order...

Awesome: Chicago, New York, San Fran, Austin, Boston

OK: New Orleans, Philly, Indy, Dallas, San Diego, Charlotte, DC, Baltimore, Seattle, Denver, San Anotnio, Miami, Portland

Suck: LA, Houston, Pheonix, Columbus (OH), Fort Worth, Detroit, El Paso, Memphis, Atlanta, San Jose

And yes, I've been to all of these for at least 5 days.
5 whole days? Well, then I bow to your authority.
 
Everyone likes great weather. Everyone realizes San Diego has great weather. But, that, on its own, can't make it a great city.So, you have this great weather. Now what? Other than the beach, what do you do in this great weather? Where do you go? Or, do you just sit on your front porch all day and say, "This is such a blast sitting here on my porch in this weather"?Where are the great hangouts? Are there a couple great retail strips with shops, restaurants, and bars? Are there really good clubs and small concert establishments? Are there fun markets to buy produce, meat, and seafood? Is there a cool historic district? Are there a couple great urban outdoor parks with open space, fountains, and statues where people like to hang and picnic? Are there huge national parks with cool mountains or caves or deserts to explore within easy driving distance? Are there museums? Operas? Other cultural centers?This is what people want to know, but all we ever hear is: weather, beach, weather, beach, weather, beach. Those things are absolutely great, but a lot of people want more.
Tons of great hangouts. Some of my favorites are Hamilton's Tavern, Small Bar, Blind Lady Alehouse, Toranados, Whistle Stop, Vagabond, Tipsy Crow, and O'Briens. Some great small venues but not a lot. The Casbah and the Belly Up are great. 4th and B is kind of a hole. The House of Blues is ok. Not a great place for concerts in general because most great bands just go to LA since it's so close.Tons of fun markets. There are farmers markets pretty much every day of the week throughout the city.No real historic district. Old town is supposedly one of the first towns on the west coast but it's pretty touristy and I never go there. There are a lot of great parks, starting with Balboa Park. Tons of open space and walking trails. There are volleyball games, flag football games, ultimate frisbee games and yoga classes (girls in stretchy pants) every day throughout the year. I live right across from the park and when I walk the dog I see something fun going on every time. There are more museums there then you would ever be able to see in one visit. My favorites are probably the Museum of Man and the Natural History Museum. They aren't world class or anything but they are a great way to kill a couple hours. the Midway Museum (not in Balboa Park) is really cool too if you are into boats.There's quite a bit of good hiking in the area, but no not many national parks. Joshua Tree isn't too far.I've only been here for 3 years, but there are definitely a lot of things to do here. You just need to know where to look.Did I mention that we have more microbreweries than pretty much anywhere else in the country? If you like beer as much as I do, there is really no better place to be. Can't really beat our Mexican food outside of Mexico either. If anyone is coming here and needs some recommendations (and possibly zoo tickets and animal interactions), don't hesitate to send me a PM.
 
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Other than the weather, nothing is great about it. The ocean water is cold as ice, too close to Mexico, girls are meh IMO. After a night in the Gaslamp district and a day at Coronado and LaJolla you've seen it all. It's just boring. But there are very few large US cities that really stack up as awesome beyond the tourist locations. Taking some of the largest by population, I'd slot them like this in no particular order...Awesome: Chicago, New York, San Fran, Austin, BostonOK: New Orleans, Philly, Indy, Dallas, San Diego, Charlotte, DC, Baltimore, Seattle, Denver, San Anotnio, Miami, PortlandSuck: LA, Houston, Pheonix, Columbus (OH), Fort Worth, Detroit, El Paso, Memphis, Atlanta, San JoseAnd yes, I've been to all of these for at least 5 days.
The 46 places to go in 2013:http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/10/travel/2013-places-to-go.html San Diego did not make the list. But Houston did!
 
Personally, I'll gladly take my chances with a hurricane over a blizzard. Granted, the damage is about the same, and the humidity in FL anywhere not within a mile of a coastline during summer is almost always 85% or higher, but I'd rather not freeze to death when the power goes out.
blizzards are awesome. you're nuts.what damage? Hurricanes can wipe out a city. The snow eventually just melts away.

I've been without power in the middle of winter before. It sucks but you don't "freze to death" unless you live in a shanty.
Blizzards can do serious damage, and occur pretty regularly. Hurricanes actually spend most of their time spinning out to sea, and very damaging landfalls are not going to happen every time. Yes, they're a pain to deal with, no denying that. But given the choice between being hot vs being cold, I'll take my chances in the heat.
How does #### this stupid pass muster in the FFA so regularly? Sorry buddy, as someone who knows a helluva lot about damages due to storms, blizzards don't even come close to the economic damage from hurricanes in a typical year. Like we're talking 50-100X multipler. Logic fail.
 
Cool place to visit and hang out for a while but not what you would expect from that type of location and scenery. I don't understand it. The crime sort of sucks, too.

 
I visited SD a few years back. I get what the OP is saying but he is being a little harsh.There was a cool restaurant/bar/shopping district that was enjoyable. There is definitely a ton of beautiful women in the area. There is a great zoo to visit. SD is what it is. Not sure why it has to be something more. At least it is not awful like some crumbling cities in the US. SD is a laid-back, small city without much of a personality that has fantastic weather. I am sure some folks love it. Seems like a better place to live than to visit as a vacation destination.
Sounds like my kind of place when described this way. When I head to the beaches I'm going for the sand, surf and fishing.
 
We gotta keep this thread going. Spread the word to help our brethren avoid this costal rat's nest.

 
We gotta keep this thread going. Spread the word to help our brethren avoid this costal rat's nest.
By brethren, I assume you mean fellow Californians? Because the numbers haven't favored immigration from out of state to California in years.
 
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We gotta keep this thread going. Spread the word to help our brethren avoid this costal rat's nest.
By brethren, I assume you mean fellow Californians? Because the numbers haven't favored immigration from out of state to California in years.
Excellent, it's working.We're doing the Lord's work, saving souls from the barren wasteland that is San Diego.
 
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I go to San Diego for work several times a year. always enjoy going there. :shrug:Kind of an older crowd scene, but I like to hang out at Humphrey's half moon bay at least one night Excellent happy hour appetizers and drinks followed by some good live music with a nice view. For $20 you get great atmosphere, good food, a couple of drinks, and some good live music, usually blues/rock.

 
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I have to question the judgment of anyone who thinks that San Diego "sucks." That said, it doesn't live up to the oft-given "If I could live anywhere in the U.S., it would be San Diego" description. San Diego is pretty darn awesome. But it's not as awesome as it thinks it is.

 
after not having been there since 93, we decided to take a family vacation there last march. the previous two years we went to disneyland (from colorado) and wanted to do something different. moved back to SF in 11, and decided to do the drive. stayed in mission valley, as we wanted to be somewhat central to the things we wanted to do:- sea world- zoo - old town- la jolla- downtown- mission beach- pacific beachit was nice to visit some old haunts and see what is new and developed, but as a city.... it is a little bland. we had a good time, but we don't feel compelled to return anytime soon. there were plenty of activities and i would certainly prefer to visit/live there over many other cities, but i think it might be around 5-10 on my list of US "areas". i don't think it sucks, but it lacks substance/soul/personality.edit: if we lived in the eastern part of the country, this easily would have been a trip to florida.

 
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I have to question the judgment of anyone who thinks that San Diego "sucks." That said, it doesn't live up to the oft-given "If I could live anywhere in the U.S., it would be San Diego" description. San Diego is pretty darn awesome. But it's not as awesome as it thinks it is.
That is literally the exact question I asked myself 11 years ago. I looked hard at Pittsburgh, DC, NYC, Chicago, SF and San Diego. The "live" vs. "visit" question becomes much more paramount when you're actually about to call U-Haul.
 
after not having been there since 93, we decided to take a family vacation there last march. the previous two years we went to disneyland (from colorado) and wanted to do something different. moved back to SF in 11, and decided to do the drive. stayed in mission valley, as we wanted to be somewhat central to the things we wanted to do:

- sea world

- zoo

- old town

- la jolla

- downtown

- mission beach

- pacific beach

it was nice to visit some old haunts and see what is new and developed, but as a city.... it is a little bland. we had a good time, but we don't feel compelled to return anytime soon. there were plenty of activities and i would certainly prefer to visit/live there over many other cities, but i think it might be around 5-10 on my list of US "areas". i don't think it sucks, but it lacks substance/soul/personality.

edit: if we lived in the eastern part of the country, this easily would have been a trip to florida.
If you're the type who visits San Diego and stays in Mission Valley, no one should put any weight in your opinion.
 
after not having been there since 93, we decided to take a family vacation there last march. the previous two years we went to disneyland (from colorado) and wanted to do something different. moved back to SF in 11, and decided to do the drive. stayed in mission valley, as we wanted to be somewhat central to the things we wanted to do:

- sea world

- zoo

- old town

- la jolla

- downtown

- mission beach

- pacific beach

it was nice to visit some old haunts and see what is new and developed, but as a city.... it is a little bland. we had a good time, but we don't feel compelled to return anytime soon. there were plenty of activities and i would certainly prefer to visit/live there over many other cities, but i think it might be around 5-10 on my list of US "areas". i don't think it sucks, but it lacks substance/soul/personality.

edit: if we lived in the eastern part of the country, this easily would have been a trip to florida.
If you're the type who visits San Diego and stays in Mission Valley, no one should put any weight in your opinion.
if it were a trip for just the mrs and i, it would have been del mar or la jolla, but like i mentioned we wanted to be closer to sea world and old town. this trip was more about our daughter than us. from that locale, nothing was a far drive.
 
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after not having been there since 93, we decided to take a family vacation there last march. the previous two years we went to disneyland (from colorado) and wanted to do something different. moved back to SF in 11, and decided to do the drive. stayed in mission valley, as we wanted to be somewhat central to the things we wanted to do:

- sea world

- zoo

- old town

- la jolla

- downtown

- mission beach

- pacific beach

it was nice to visit some old haunts and see what is new and developed, but as a city.... it is a little bland. we had a good time, but we don't feel compelled to return anytime soon. there were plenty of activities and i would certainly prefer to visit/live there over many other cities, but i think it might be around 5-10 on my list of US "areas". i don't think it sucks, but it lacks substance/soul/personality.

edit: if we lived in the eastern part of the country, this easily would have been a trip to florida.
If you're the type who visits San Diego and stays in Mission Valley, no one should put any weight in your opinion.
It sounds like he used to live there.
 
after not having been there since 93, we decided to take a family vacation there last march. the previous two years we went to disneyland (from colorado) and wanted to do something different. moved back to SF in 11, and decided to do the drive. stayed in mission valley, as we wanted to be somewhat central to the things we wanted to do:

- sea world

- zoo

- old town

- la jolla

- downtown

- mission beach

- pacific beach

it was nice to visit some old haunts and see what is new and developed, but as a city.... it is a little bland. we had a good time, but we don't feel compelled to return anytime soon. there were plenty of activities and i would certainly prefer to visit/live there over many other cities, but i think it might be around 5-10 on my list of US "areas". i don't think it sucks, but it lacks substance/soul/personality.

edit: if we lived in the eastern part of the country, this easily would have been a trip to florida.
If you're the type who visits San Diego and stays in Mission Valley, no one should put any weight in your opinion.
It sounds like he used to live there.
yes. went to college down there (87-91) and stayed an addition 2 years prior to grad school.
 
after not having been there since 93, we decided to take a family vacation there last march. the previous two years we went to disneyland (from colorado) and wanted to do something different. moved back to SF in 11, and decided to do the drive. stayed in mission valley, as we wanted to be somewhat central to the things we wanted to do:

- sea world

- zoo

- old town

- la jolla

- downtown

- mission beach

- pacific beach

it was nice to visit some old haunts and see what is new and developed, but as a city.... it is a little bland. we had a good time, but we don't feel compelled to return anytime soon. there were plenty of activities and i would certainly prefer to visit/live there over many other cities, but i think it might be around 5-10 on my list of US "areas". i don't think it sucks, but it lacks substance/soul/personality.

edit: if we lived in the eastern part of the country, this easily would have been a trip to florida.
If you're the type who visits San Diego and stays in Mission Valley, no one should put any weight in your opinion.
So are you saying is it is not centrally located to the activities he mentioned?
 
after not having been there since 93, we decided to take a family vacation there last march. the previous two years we went to disneyland (from colorado) and wanted to do something different. moved back to SF in 11, and decided to do the drive. stayed in mission valley, as we wanted to be somewhat central to the things we wanted to do:

- sea world

- zoo

- old town

- la jolla

- downtown

- mission beach

- pacific beach

it was nice to visit some old haunts and see what is new and developed, but as a city.... it is a little bland. we had a good time, but we don't feel compelled to return anytime soon. there were plenty of activities and i would certainly prefer to visit/live there over many other cities, but i think it might be around 5-10 on my list of US "areas". i don't think it sucks, but it lacks substance/soul/personality.

edit: if we lived in the eastern part of the country, this easily would have been a trip to florida.
If you're the type who visits San Diego and stays in Mission Valley, no one should put any weight in your opinion.
So are you saying is it is not centrally located to the activities he mentioned?
not only that.... hotel provided a shuttle to several areas (we used it for sea world and old town)...was nice to be able to hit the cantinas and not worry about driving.
 
after not having been there since 93, we decided to take a family vacation there last march. the previous two years we went to disneyland (from colorado) and wanted to do something different. moved back to SF in 11, and decided to do the drive. stayed in mission valley, as we wanted to be somewhat central to the things we wanted to do:

- sea world

- zoo

- old town

- la jolla

- downtown

- mission beach

- pacific beach

it was nice to visit some old haunts and see what is new and developed, but as a city.... it is a little bland. we had a good time, but we don't feel compelled to return anytime soon. there were plenty of activities and i would certainly prefer to visit/live there over many other cities, but i think it might be around 5-10 on my list of US "areas". i don't think it sucks, but it lacks substance/soul/personality.

edit: if we lived in the eastern part of the country, this easily would have been a trip to florida.
If you're the type who visits San Diego and stays in Mission Valley, no one should put any weight in your opinion.
It sounds like he used to live there.
Even more of an indictment. Ask any SD FBG, and I guarantee they would never ever, ever never, never ever ever never suggest someone stay in Mission Valley while on vacation. It's just a horrible decision. :shrug:
 
after not having been there since 93, we decided to take a family vacation there last march. the previous two years we went to disneyland (from colorado) and wanted to do something different. moved back to SF in 11, and decided to do the drive. stayed in mission valley, as we wanted to be somewhat central to the things we wanted to do:

- sea world

- zoo

- old town

- la jolla

- downtown

- mission beach

- pacific beach

it was nice to visit some old haunts and see what is new and developed, but as a city.... it is a little bland. we had a good time, but we don't feel compelled to return anytime soon. there were plenty of activities and i would certainly prefer to visit/live there over many other cities, but i think it might be around 5-10 on my list of US "areas". i don't think it sucks, but it lacks substance/soul/personality.

edit: if we lived in the eastern part of the country, this easily would have been a trip to florida.
If you're the type who visits San Diego and stays in Mission Valley, no one should put any weight in your opinion.
if it were a trip for just the mrs and i, it would have been del mar or la jolla, but like i mentioned we wanted to be closer to sea world and old town. this trip was more about our daughter than us. from that locale, nothing was a far drive.
Where did you live when you were in SD? College area near SDSU? El Cajon? Why not actually stay in Old Town? Or OB or MB? All of those are just as centrally located as Mission Valley, but they are actually places where families stay and you have coffee, beaches, restaurants, ie. family stuff within walking distance. Mission Valley is a ghost town for business travelers who work for companies too cheap to put them up downtown.

 
'Otis said:
I'm at a ritzy hotel in San Diego, just walked back from the 5th avenue strip in the Gaslamp district, and on the way home, swallowed the reality that I will never sleep with 10s.

I thought I was suave; I thought I was Otis. A charmer of ladies. That's what I do. Or so I thought...

As I walked home through the hordes -- literally -- HORDES of stunning 18-24 year old women, I started to face the harsh realization that these women I lust so strongly after are women I will never bed. The last person I saw before hitching the lock on my hotel room was a 20-23 year old, dark skinned, long haired brunette. She had on a white "dress." It looked like cotton, and was semi see through, and was tightly stuck to her incredible body, from just below her groin to just above her nipples. It was absolutely stunning.
'Otis said:
'tommyGunZ said:
switch hotels Otis - move over to The Ivy. Hotel is hot, the bar is loaded with hotties Thurs-Sat, and the Quarter Kitchen is a great place to eat.

You'll collect more dimes than a parking meter.
Walked past this place last night. Line around the block, literally.I went there twice before. Both times was amazed -- stunned -- at the collection of beautiful women. On my second visit, jumped into the pool at the rooftop bar with my suit on and made out with a cute 20 year old.

:shrug:
'Otis said:
They were out in droves again tonight. It wasn't as intense as last night, but I'm still in awe of the females SoCal has to offer.

I feel like I've been in a tribe in the forest trapping squirrels and cooking squirrel steaks my whole life and thinking to myself "man I sure do catch and cook a pretty mean squirrel steak" and then we traveled out to the plains and made a first contact with the plains tribe cooking tremendous buffalo steaks and I'm like "holy crap these steaks are unpossible."

Where have they been all my life... :goodposting:
You're right, San Diego sucks. :P
 
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Old Otis vs. New Otis

'Otis said:
I'm at a ritzy hotel in San Diego, just walked back from the 5th avenue strip in the Gaslamp district, and on the way home, swallowed the reality that I will never sleep with 10s.

I thought I was suave; I thought I was Otis. A charmer of ladies. That's what I do. Or so I thought...

As I walked home through the hordes -- literally -- HORDES of stunning 18-24 year old women, I started to face the harsh realization that these women I lust so strongly after are women I will never bed. The last person I saw before hitching the lock on my hotel room was a 20-23 year old, dark skinned, long haired brunette. She had on a white "dress." It looked like cotton, and was semi see through, and was tightly stuck to her incredible body, from just below her groin to just above her nipples. It was absolutely stunning.
 
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