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Why don't the Jets start Tebow at RB (1 Viewer)

1) Can we please stop with the "Tebow haters" comments just because many of us can look objectively at a guy with a career completion percentage of less than 50%, a painfully slow release, and other poor mechanics and don't think he can achieve or sustain long term success as a NFL QB. It's an opinion but it doesnt make anyone a hater.

2) Could Tebow be effective as a RB in a NFL offense? Possibly. But talk of the Jets just handing over the starting RB spot to a guy who has never played the position before is kind of silly IMO. As Chase points out he has been effective running as a QB with an extra blocker on the field. Doesnt mean he would be effective lining up in the backfield and taking a handoff.

IMO, Jets biggest concern on offense is a lack of explosive playmakers. Putting Tebow at RB doesnt solve that.

 
I'd say their biggest concern on offense is their O line. You don't really need "playmakers" on offense if you're O line is good enough to allow a offense to work as designed...even if it is just running the ball 70% of the time.

 
I'd say their biggest concern on offense is their O line.
the Jets O Line is easily the best part of the offense. They have Mangold who is awesome, Brick and Moore all three were 2011 AFC Pro Bowlers. NO other team in the league has that many 2011 pro bowlers on their line. Even Austin Howard looks pretty good stepping in for Hunter. the line is not the issue in NY, it's the QB.
 
'matttyl said:
I'd say their biggest concern on offense is their O line. You don't really need "playmakers" on offense if you're O line is good enough to allow a offense to work as designed...even if it is just running the ball 70% of the time.
Disagree. O-line play is always important but other than RT I think the Jets O-line is above avg.You need good QB play and playmakers in today's NFL. The Jets have neither.And NO team in the NFL is gonna be successful running the ball anywehre close to 70% of the time. Not happening.
 
Right but the Wildcat is a gadget formation you run a few times per game. I'm talking about Tim Tebow, starting RB for the Jets. HE lins up behind Sanchez in all formations except empty backfield. He can't catch the ball much worse than Green.
Didnt sift through the thread, but heres my 0.2I think taking a QB thats a threat to run, throw, or hand off, and lining him up as a half back makes him less effective. Tebow as a RB brings nothing special. And I'm not sure he could take the pounding. I think Tebow's value still lies in coming in in wildcat type formations and in the redzone and maybe line him up at half back occasionally. Keep D's guessin. As soon as you take away the guessing part, he's ordinary.

 
'Matt Bitonti said:
'matttyl said:
I'd say their biggest concern on offense is their O line.
the Jets O Line is easily the best part of the offense. They have Mangold who is awesome, Brick and Moore all three were 2011 AFC Pro Bowlers. NO other team in the league has that many 2011 pro bowlers on their line. Even Austin Howard looks pretty good stepping in for Hunter. the line is not the issue in NY, it's the QB.
They've been pretty awful this preseason. Tebow holds the ball too long a lot but Sanchez has been getting creamed back there as well (6 sacks in 6 quarters).It's just the preseason, but ignoring it for big names kind of reminds me of how it took people 3 years to figure out that the Vikings line had turned horrible because all anyone paid attention to was how they had 3 players with high ratings in Madden.
 
'az_prof said:
My point is that it is way too early to say he can't play QB in this league. In the past, before 2000, most rookie QBs didn't play at all. In fact, it used to be common for a QB to watch and learn for three to five years before starting. So, Tebow has alot to learn but he has talent and the drive to work hard. What he needs to work on is consistency and the subtle things like looking off receivers and the speed of his decision making. Those skills will increase as he gets more time in the NFL. He does bring other intangibles that critics tend to omit: elusiveness and the ability to string a play out; ability to run if there is nothing there; on field leadership. Those are valuable skills too.
How many bad games do you believe an NFL team should suffer through before Tebow acquires the skills necessary to play the position which he feels entitled to play? 16? 32? More than other not-good QB's? Why would a team be willing to do that?
 
'az_prof said:
My point is that it is way too early to say he can't play QB in this league. In the past, before 2000, most rookie QBs didn't play at all. In fact, it used to be common for a QB to watch and learn for three to five years before starting. So, Tebow has alot to learn but he has talent and the drive to work hard. What he needs to work on is consistency and the subtle things like looking off receivers and the speed of his decision making. Those skills will increase as he gets more time in the NFL. He does bring other intangibles that critics tend to omit: elusiveness and the ability to string a play out; ability to run if there is nothing there; on field leadership. Those are valuable skills too.
How many bad games do you believe an NFL team should suffer through before Tebow acquires the skills necessary to play the position which he feels entitled to play? 16? 32? More than other not-good QB's? Why would a team be willing to do that?
When we talk about "bad games" and "suffering," are we talking about his improbable win streak in Denver that took what was previously a losing team to a division title and to the playoffs, and then a first round playoff win upset over the Steelers? Or do you mean something else?Or is this more like the ballet, and do you not really care about results, but about who throws it prettiest?
 
I can think of lots of teams that would like to go from a losing record to winning a division title and going to the playoffs. Probably about 32 of them.

 
I can think of lots of teams that would like to go from a losing record to winning a division title and going to the playoffs. Probably about 32 of them.
The price you have to pay is rostering a terrible QB that somehow improves your defense. Too high a price in this league.
 
'az_prof said:
My point is that it is way too early to say he can't play QB in this league. In the past, before 2000, most rookie QBs didn't play at all. In fact, it used to be common for a QB to watch and learn for three to five years before starting. So, Tebow has alot to learn but he has talent and the drive to work hard. What he needs to work on is consistency and the subtle things like looking off receivers and the speed of his decision making. Those skills will increase as he gets more time in the NFL. He does bring other intangibles that critics tend to omit: elusiveness and the ability to string a play out; ability to run if there is nothing there; on field leadership. Those are valuable skills too.
How many bad games do you believe an NFL team should suffer through before Tebow acquires the skills necessary to play the position which he feels entitled to play? 16? 32? More than other not-good QB's? Why would a team be willing to do that?
When we talk about "bad games" and "suffering," are we talking about his improbable win streak in Denver that took what was previously a losing team to a division title and to the playoffs, and then a first round playoff win upset over the Steelers? Or do you mean something else?Or is this more like the ballet, and do you not really care about results, but about who throws it prettiest?
And what would be the odds of him accomplishing anything close to that again? He won a game completing two passes. His season ended with a complete shellacking, where he again completed less than 10 passes. For every good play he makes, he screws up five. The only sure thing I know about football, is that Tebow will never be a starting QB... or starting anything in the NFL.
 
'az_prof said:
My point is that it is way too early to say he can't play QB in this league. In the past, before 2000, most rookie QBs didn't play at all. In fact, it used to be common for a QB to watch and learn for three to five years before starting. So, Tebow has alot to learn but he has talent and the drive to work hard. What he needs to work on is consistency and the subtle things like looking off receivers and the speed of his decision making. Those skills will increase as he gets more time in the NFL. He does bring other intangibles that critics tend to omit: elusiveness and the ability to string a play out; ability to run if there is nothing there; on field leadership. Those are valuable skills too.
How many bad games do you believe an NFL team should suffer through before Tebow acquires the skills necessary to play the position which he feels entitled to play? 16? 32? More than other not-good QB's? Why would a team be willing to do that?
Like I tried to say in my post, it used to be for a QB that you would wait at least three years before throwing them into start. I think with different positions, you can tell sooner. And it depends on the age and the college system of the QB. In Tebow's case, he is still young, and has not even started 16 games I don't think. Not even one full season. Coming from a college offense that didn't teach him to play in an NFL system, I would say 32 games. How many games did we give that tub of lard in Oakland? And he didn't even have the intangibles Tebow has or the running ability. People have compared Tebow and Elway, and while I am NOT suggesting Tebow will become a HOF QB, the point is valid: through his first 11 games Elway had less than 50% completion and had twice as many INTs as TDs. Tebow's performance so far compares favorably to Elway. If we were so quick to judge Elway, he might never have developed into the great QB he did.So, to answer your question--more than 16 games. I would say by early in 2013 we should be able to judge whether or not Tebow can become a good NFL QB. Definitely not after he has had three different OCs and HCs and has only started in 14 games. His performance in those 14 games is arguably better than Elway's first 11 starting.
 
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This is not a game of Madden. Tebow is a human being with free will who would have to agree to the position change. Tebow's people have been resisting such a change since before he was at Florida. He's always wanted to be a qb despite all logic and reason to the contrary. He's not going to change now.
I'd say the logic/reasoning were dead on balls accurate. It landed him the in the 1st round of the NFL draft, made him a boat-load of money, and gave him an amazing level of exposure (assuming he wanted it). I'd venture to say none of that would have been possible if he had converted to Fullback somewhere along the road.None of that is to say that I think he's an awesome (or even good) NFL QB. I'm just saying that no matter what happens going forward, he and his people have made GREAT decisions to get him to this point.
 
I know Tebow could be a specialist type short yardage back, Or even a Jim Jensen type utility back. I don't think he can be a Bell Cow type back, but then again nobody on the Jets looks like that right now so, where do the Jets go from here?

 
When we talk about "bad games" and "suffering," are we talking about his improbable win streak in Denver that took what was previously a losing team to a division title and to the playoffs, and then a first round playoff win upset over the Steelers? Or do you mean something else?Or is this more like the ballet, and do you not really care about results, but about who throws it prettiest?
We're talking about results, as in John Elway and the Broncos trading Tebow for a 4th round pick because they knew he wasn't going to be a good QB.
 
And he didn't even have the intangibles Tebow has or the running ability. People have compared Tebow and Elway, and while I am NOT suggesting Tebow will become a HOF QB, the point is valid: through his first 11 games Elway had less than 50% completion and had twice as many INTs as TDs. Tebow's performance so far compares favorably to Elway. If we were so quick to judge Elway, he might never have developed into the great QB he did.
"We" didn't decide to stick with Elway because of his talent at QB, and "we" didn't decide to part with Tebow because of his lack of talent at QB. GM's did that, guys who evaluate NFL talent for a living. Having seen what they've seen of Tebow at QB, no team is going to give him 32 games to learn on the job. He's not a rookie, he's been in the league awhile, he hasn't learned enough about the QB position to make any of the 32 teams think he's a viable starter.
 
'az_prof said:
My point is that it is way too early to say he can't play QB in this league. In the past, before 2000, most rookie QBs didn't play at all. In fact, it used to be common for a QB to watch and learn for three to five years before starting. So, Tebow has alot to learn but he has talent and the drive to work hard.

What he needs to work on is consistency and the subtle things like looking off receivers and the speed of his decision making. Those skills will increase as he gets more time in the NFL. He does bring other intangibles that critics tend to omit: elusiveness and the ability to string a play out; ability to run if there is nothing there; on field leadership. Those are valuable skills too.
How many bad games do you believe an NFL team should suffer through before Tebow acquires the skills necessary to play the position which he feels entitled to play? 16? 32? More than other not-good QB's?

Why would a team be willing to do that?
When we talk about "bad games" and "suffering," are we talking about his improbable win streak in Denver that took what was previously a losing team to a division title and to the playoffs, and then a first round playoff win upset over the Steelers? Or do you mean something else?Or is this more like the ballet, and do you not really care about results, but about who throws it prettiest?
And what would be the odds of him accomplishing anything close to that again? He won a game completing two passes. His season ended with a complete shellacking, where he again completed less than 10 passes. For every good play he makes, he screws up five.

The only sure thing I know about football, is that Tebow will never be a starting QB... or starting anything in the NFL.
This is like me betting there is NO WAY there will be a second world war.
 
I can think of lots of teams that would like to go from a losing record to winning a division title and going to the playoffs. Probably about 32 of them.
The price you have to pay is rostering a terrible QB that somehow improves your defense.
Technically, that is true.The defense did improve from 25th under Orton to 23rd under Tebow.
He won so much because of the defense jesus dumb luck!
 
When we talk about "bad games" and "suffering," are we talking about his improbable win streak in Denver that took what was previously a losing team to a division title and to the playoffs, and then a first round playoff win upset over the Steelers? Or do you mean something else?Or is this more like the ballet, and do you not really care about results, but about who throws it prettiest?
We're talking about results, as in John Elway and the Broncos trading Tebow for a 4th round pick because they knew he wasn't going to be a good QB.
What does that have to do with wining games?
 
When we talk about "bad games" and "suffering," are we talking about his improbable win streak in Denver that took what was previously a losing team to a division title and to the playoffs, and then a first round playoff win upset over the Steelers? Or do you mean something else?Or is this more like the ballet, and do you not really care about results, but about who throws it prettiest?
We're talking about results, as in John Elway and the Broncos trading Tebow for a 4th round pick because they knew he wasn't going to be a good QB.
What does that have to do with wining games?
Everything.
 
'az_prof said:
My point is that it is way too early to say he can't play QB in this league. In the past, before 2000, most rookie QBs didn't play at all. In fact, it used to be common for a QB to watch and learn for three to five years before starting. So, Tebow has alot to learn but he has talent and the drive to work hard.

What he needs to work on is consistency and the subtle things like looking off receivers and the speed of his decision making. Those skills will increase as he gets more time in the NFL. He does bring other intangibles that critics tend to omit: elusiveness and the ability to string a play out; ability to run if there is nothing there; on field leadership. Those are valuable skills too.
How many bad games do you believe an NFL team should suffer through before Tebow acquires the skills necessary to play the position which he feels entitled to play? 16? 32? More than other not-good QB's?

Why would a team be willing to do that?
When we talk about "bad games" and "suffering," are we talking about his improbable win streak in Denver that took what was previously a losing team to a division title and to the playoffs, and then a first round playoff win upset over the Steelers? Or do you mean something else?Or is this more like the ballet, and do you not really care about results, but about who throws it prettiest?
And what would be the odds of him accomplishing anything close to that again? He won a game completing two passes. His season ended with a complete shellacking, where he again completed less than 10 passes. For every good play he makes, he screws up five.

The only sure thing I know about football, is that Tebow will never be a starting QB... or starting anything in the NFL.
This is like me betting there is NO WAY there will be a second world war.
Exactly. There won't be.
 
'az_prof said:
My point is that it is way too early to say he can't play QB in this league. In the past, before 2000, most rookie QBs didn't play at all. In fact, it used to be common for a QB to watch and learn for three to five years before starting. So, Tebow has alot to learn but he has talent and the drive to work hard.

What he needs to work on is consistency and the subtle things like looking off receivers and the speed of his decision making. Those skills will increase as he gets more time in the NFL. He does bring other intangibles that critics tend to omit: elusiveness and the ability to string a play out; ability to run if there is nothing there; on field leadership. Those are valuable skills too.
How many bad games do you believe an NFL team should suffer through before Tebow acquires the skills necessary to play the position which he feels entitled to play? 16? 32? More than other not-good QB's?

Why would a team be willing to do that?
When we talk about "bad games" and "suffering," are we talking about his improbable win streak in Denver that took what was previously a losing team to a division title and to the playoffs, and then a first round playoff win upset over the Steelers? Or do you mean something else?Or is this more like the ballet, and do you not really care about results, but about who throws it prettiest?
And what would be the odds of him accomplishing anything close to that again? He won a game completing two passes. His season ended with a complete shellacking, where he again completed less than 10 passes. For every good play he makes, he screws up five.

The only sure thing I know about football, is that Tebow will never be a starting QB... or starting anything in the NFL.
This is like me betting there is NO WAY there will be a second world war.
Exactly. There won't be.
:mellow:
 
Tebow haters just aren't being fair. It's like when Michael Jordan retired from basketball and tried baseball. Jordan was without a doubt a phenomenal athlete. It's not on him he wasn't able to reach his athletic potential in baseball. It is the fault of coaches for not putting in the time for him to be successful. There was a lack of effort to evolve the game to better suit Jordan's abilities. Tebow is the Michael Jordan of baseball for the NFL. Perhaps Tebows beliefs prevent him from evolving.

 
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Tebow haters just aren't being fair. It's like when Michael Jordan tried baseball. Jordan was without a doubt a phenomenal athlete. It's not on him he wasn't able to reach his athletic potential in baseball. It is the fault of coaches for not putting in the time for him to be successful. There was a lack of effort to evolve the game to better suit Jordan's abilities. Tebow is the Michael Jordan of baseball for the NFL.
:jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: Excuse me, did I just hear Tim Tebow and Michael Jordan being compared together in some way? no no no no NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! this is just gross
 
Tebow haters just aren't being fair. It's like when Michael Jordan tried baseball. Jordan was without a doubt a phenomenal athlete. It's not on him he wasn't able to reach his athletic potential in baseball. It is the fault of coaches for not putting in the time for him to be successful. There was a lack of effort to evolve the game to better suit Jordan's abilities. Tebow is the Michael Jordan of baseball for the NFL.
:jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: Excuse me, did I just hear Tim Tebow and Michael Jordan being compared together in some way? no no no no NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! this is just gross
:excited:Tebow is to NFL that Michael Jordan is to MLB.Tebow can't pass well. Pro-football has been around since 1892. The forward pass only since 1906. Tebow just needs a coach well versed in offenses predating the forward pass.
 
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While we don't know how Tebow would fare as a conventional tailback, he is not "too slow" to play the position. He may be too white, but he's not too slow. He's probably faster than most of the starting RBs in this league. The guy in front of him on his own team, Shonn Greene, is almost certainly slower than Tebow. Alfred Morris, the new apparent starting RB for the Redksins, ran like a 4.8 forty. Some offensive linemen are faster than that.

I suspect Tebow would be a dominant running back if given the opportunity.

 
While we don't know how Tebow would fare as a conventional tailback, he is not "too slow" to play the position. He may be too white, but he's not too slow. He's probably faster than most of the starting RBs in this league. The guy in front of him on his own team, Shonn Greene, is almost certainly slower than Tebow. Alfred Morris, the new apparent starting RB for the Redksins, ran like a 4.8 forty. Some offensive linemen are faster than that. I suspect Tebow would be a dominant running back if given the opportunity.
Lol... 6'3", 250 lbs, 4.70 40 time. Nothing about that spells anything but disaster for rb, and it most definitely is slow.Im still wondering why he hasnt taken a snap as TE. Especially now.
 
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He's probably faster than most of the starting RBs in this league.
He can also bend steel with his bare hands and leap tall buildings in a single bound. Did you see the time he went so fast that the spin of the earth reversed and time went backwards? Dominant!
 
Usually when they get someone to switch positions, it's because they are better fit for it. Tim Tebow is NOT a RB. He is slower than an RB. if he was to be used at another position it would be Water Boy.
:rolleyes: Give me a break. Tebow is a great "football player". He could play multiple positions. Guy is 6'3" 250lbs and strong as an ox.
 
This is not a game of Madden. Tebow is a human being with free will who would have to agree to the position change. Tebow's people have been resisting such a change since before he was at Florida. He's always wanted to be a qb despite all logic and reason to the contrary. He's not going to change now.
Why would you say logic and reason were against his being a QB before he even went to Florida? His run as a college QB is among the greatest ever seen at that level.
:lmao: EXACTLY! These people don't know what the hell they are talking about. Tebow is arguably the best QB in college football history.
 
To make a negative and definitive answer on a young player that was clearly a different type of QB that has already shown great success in his 14 starts is foolish.
Denver ditched him.
Denver ditched him because they wanted to go into a different direction. I think Tebow could be a great football player. The Jets are using him how he should be used. Put him all over the place.
 
This is not a game of Madden. Tebow is a human being with free will who would have to agree to the position change. Tebow's people have been resisting such a change since before he was at Florida. He's always wanted to be a qb despite all logic and reason to the contrary. He's not going to change now.
Why would you say logic and reason were against his being a QB before he even went to Florida? His run as a college QB is among the greatest ever seen at that level.
:lmao: EXACTLY! These people don't know what the hell they are talking about. Tebow is arguably the best QB in college football history.
Too bad the Jets don't have to play Boise State.Tebow is not arguably the best QB in college football history. He's maybe arguably the best at UF, and even then, he was more of a Tommy Frazier type player. He had a great college career no doubt, but as it's been proven over and over again, being a great college player doesn't necessarily translate to being a great, or even good NFL player.
 
To make a negative and definitive answer on a young player that was clearly a different type of QB that has already shown great success in his 14 starts is foolish.
Denver ditched him.
Denver ditched him because they wanted to go into a different direction. I think Tebow could be a great football player. The Jets are using him how he should be used. Put him all over the place.
The direction they were looking for was QB.
 
And he didn't even have the intangibles Tebow has or the running ability. People have compared Tebow and Elway, and while I am NOT suggesting Tebow will become a HOF QB, the point is valid: through his first 11 games Elway had less than 50% completion and had twice as many INTs as TDs. Tebow's performance so far compares favorably to Elway. If we were so quick to judge Elway, he might never have developed into the great QB he did.
"We" didn't decide to stick with Elway because of his talent at QB, and "we" didn't decide to part with Tebow because of his lack of talent at QB. GM's did that, guys who evaluate NFL talent for a living. Having seen what they've seen of Tebow at QB, no team is going to give him 32 games to learn on the job. He's not a rookie, he's been in the league awhile, he hasn't learned enough about the QB position to make any of the 32 teams think he's a viable starter.
Basically, your argument is that Elway is such a great GM that he has to be right. Excuse me, but what has Elway done as a GM? I think I will wait to see whether he is as smart as you think--but personally, I will be surprised if the team wins more games this year than it won with Tebow last season.
 
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This is not a game of Madden. Tebow is a human being with free will who would have to agree to the position change. Tebow's people have been resisting such a change since before he was at Florida. He's always wanted to be a qb despite all logic and reason to the contrary. He's not going to change now.
Why would you say logic and reason were against his being a QB before he even went to Florida? His run as a college QB is among the greatest ever seen at that level.
:lmao: EXACTLY! These people don't know what the hell they are talking about. Tebow is arguably the best QB in college football history.
Danny Woodhead is arguably the best RB in college football history.
 
This is not a game of Madden. Tebow is a human being with free will who would have to agree to the position change. Tebow's people have been resisting such a change since before he was at Florida. He's always wanted to be a qb despite all logic and reason to the contrary. He's not going to change now.
Why would you say logic and reason were against his being a QB before he even went to Florida? His run as a college QB is among the greatest ever seen at that level.
:lmao: EXACTLY! These people don't know what the hell they are talking about. Tebow is arguably the best QB in college football history.
Too bad the Jets don't have to play Boise State.Tebow is not arguably the best QB in college football history. He's maybe arguably the best at UF, and even then, he was more of a Tommy Frazier type player. He had a great college career no doubt, but as it's been proven over and over again, being a great college player doesn't necessarily translate to being a great, or even good NFL player.
:goodposting: College Football HoF QBs: Andre Ware, Gino Torretta and John Friesz are just a few examples of college greats that were NFL, "meh".Tebow would probably be outstanding in the CFL.
 
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When we talk about "bad games" and "suffering," are we talking about his improbable win streak in Denver that took what was previously a losing team to a division title and to the playoffs, and then a first round playoff win upset over the Steelers? Or do you mean something else?Or is this more like the ballet, and do you not really care about results, but about who throws it prettiest?
We're talking about results, as in John Elway and the Broncos trading Tebow for a 4th round pick because they knew he wasn't going to be a good QB.
It says a lot about what NFL GMs think about Tebow's ability to play QB that the Broncos could not get more than a 4th round pick for a QB about to enter his prime. And I realize they got Manning, but Fox and Elway could not wait to go in a different direction at QB.
 
Basically, your argument is that Elway is such a great GM that he has to be right. Excuse me, but what has Elway done as a GM? I think I will wait to see whether he is as smart as you think--but personally, I will be surprised if the team wins more games this year than it won with Tebow last season.
How many years are you going to wait? Tebow's not fresh out of college. His college glory days are past. The NFL team that drafted him to play QB dumped him for a 4th round pick, after he was drafted in the first round. No other NFL team traded for him to be their starting QB. The "can't-miss" college football hero is indeed missing at becoming an NFL QB so far.Rex Grossman has been more successful.
 
As a college quarterback, Grossman led the Florida Gators to the 2000 Southeastern Conference (SEC) Championship, the 2001 Sugar Bowl, the 2002 Orange Bowl and the 2003 Outback Bowl. He was a consensus first-team All-American and was the runner-up for the Heisman Trophy in 2001.

Grossman spent most of his first three NFL seasons with the Chicago Bears sidelined with injuries. He completed his first full NFL season in 2006, leading the Bears to a National Football Conference Championship and a Super Bowl berth. He lost his starting job three weeks into the 2007 season, and primarily served as the team's backup quarterback afterward. He spent a year as a back-up quarterback for the Houston Texans in 2009, before becoming the Washington Redskins' starting quarterback in the final three games of the 2010 season.
Rex Grossman, who has also been dumped as a starting QB.
 
This is not a game of Madden. Tebow is a human being with free will who would have to agree to the position change. Tebow's people have been resisting such a change since before he was at Florida. He's always wanted to be a qb despite all logic and reason to the contrary. He's not going to change now.
Why would you say logic and reason were against his being a QB before he even went to Florida? His run as a college QB is among the greatest ever seen at that level.
:lmao: EXACTLY! These people don't know what the hell they are talking about. Tebow is arguably the best QB in college football history.
Too bad the Jets don't have to play Boise State.Tebow is not arguably the best QB in college football history. He's maybe arguably the best at UF, and even then, he was more of a Tommy Frazier type player. He had a great college career no doubt, but as it's been proven over and over again, being a great college player doesn't necessarily translate to being a great, or even good NFL player.
:lmao: I'm not going to argue that Tebow should be an NFL starting QB, but you obviously don't know very much about his college career.
 
This is not a game of Madden. Tebow is a human being with free will who would have to agree to the position change. Tebow's people have been resisting such a change since before he was at Florida. He's always wanted to be a qb despite all logic and reason to the contrary. He's not going to change now.
Why would you say logic and reason were against his being a QB before he even went to Florida? His run as a college QB is among the greatest ever seen at that level.
:lmao: EXACTLY! These people don't know what the hell they are talking about. Tebow is arguably the best QB in college football history.
Too bad the Jets don't have to play Boise State.Tebow is not arguably the best QB in college football history. He's maybe arguably the best at UF, and even then, he was more of a Tommy Frazier type player. He had a great college career no doubt, but as it's been proven over and over again, being a great college player doesn't necessarily translate to being a great, or even good NFL player.
:lmao: I'm not going to argue that Tebow should be an NFL starting QB, but you obviously don't know very much about his college career.
Having a successful college career doesn't make you the best college QB of all time. You don't know very much about the QB position.If you think Tebow was a better QB in college than either Manning... or their old man, Elway, Marino, Fouts, and hell, a hundred other QB's, you're crazy.

 
'PatsFanCT said:
'Possum said:
This is not a game of Madden. Tebow is a human being with free will who would have to agree to the position change. Tebow's people have been resisting such a change since before he was at Florida. He's always wanted to be a qb despite all logic and reason to the contrary. He's not going to change now.
Why would you say logic and reason were against his being a QB before he even went to Florida? His run as a college QB is among the greatest ever seen at that level.
:lmao: EXACTLY! These people don't know what the hell they are talking about. Tebow is arguably the best QB in college football history.
Too bad the Jets don't have to play Boise State.Tebow is not arguably the best QB in college football history. He's maybe arguably the best at UF, and even then, he was more of a Tommy Frazier type player. He had a great college career no doubt, but as it's been proven over and over again, being a great college player doesn't necessarily translate to being a great, or even good NFL player.
:lmao: I'm not going to argue that Tebow should be an NFL starting QB, but you obviously don't know very much about his college career.
Having a successful college career doesn't make you the best college QB of all time. You don't know very much about the QB position.
Tebow's stats were a little bit better than "successful", but we'll get to that in a second.
If you think Tebow was a better QB in college than either Manning... or their old man, Elway, Marino, Fouts, and hell, a hundred other QB's, you're crazy.
I think you're getting yourself confused between college and pros here, because if we're talking about all-time great college QBs, Dan Fouts doesn't belong in the discussion. Yes, he set some Oregon school passing records, but the guy had a 51% completion percentage and threw half again as many picks as TDs. but the other guys you mentioned were certainly excellent college quarterbacks. So let's look at four guys' college career numbers:

Att--Comp--Yds--Comp%--TD--INT--Rating

1246--774--9349--62.1--77--39--139.3

1084--626--7905--57.7--74--64--129.7

995--661--9285--66.4--88--16--170.8

1381--863--11201--62.5--89--33--147.1

all these guys look pretty solid from their passing statistics, right? I'll let you figure out who was who there, but three of those guys are on your list of better college QBs than Tebow.

the fourth guy up there, though, also accounted for 2958 yards and 57 additional TDs running the ball (none of the others even have positive rushing totals). That same guy is also the only one of these guys to win a Heisman as a sophomore, win the Maxwell Award twice, win two national championships, and be named SI College Football Player of the Decade. He's also the SEC's career passing efficiency leader and second all-time in NCAA passing efficiency, among a bunch of other records.

so I don't know what you consider an all-time great college quarterback, but I think that fourth guy is certainly in the discussion for me.

(edited to try to make the stats a bit more readable)

 
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If only Tebow had the work ethic of someone like Russell Wilson, who wasn't given the natural gifts tebow has, but has actually worked hard enough overcome his shortcomings with better mechanics.

Maybe, if he had Wilson's work ethic, he'd know what it felt like to actually earn an NFL starting QB job.

 
'GordonGekko said:
I know Tebow could be a specialist type short yardage back, Or even a Jim Jensen type utility back. I don't think he can be a Bell Cow type back, but then again nobody on the Jets looks like that right now so, where do the Jets go from here?
I think Tebow does several things for the Jets, that would make him a complete waste as a running back. He offers, IMHO, a lot that Sanchez will not and running back in general is a low positional value slot in the NFL draft and for most of free agency. There's a sunk cost in Tebow at QB, I think at this point, you have to ride it out and see where it goes. Here's where Tebow helps you as a QB1, and what you would lose if he was a halfback - 1) He will help with turnover differential. Tebow does many things poorly as a QB, but the guy has enough general sports IQ to limit his turnovers and limit most of the situations where turnovers are high probability. 2) He will open up the run game for Shonn Greene or Joe McKnight or anyone else the Jets have in the backfield. It becomes a question if Greene or the rest have the talent to take advantage of that situation. Tebow is a threat to run at all times. It's this mobility, plus some of his innate elusiveness, that negates some of his flaws as a passer ( namely to go tunnel vision on his primary read and his staggeringly poor ability to read and react to different types of coverages) It's once a play starts to break down, and defenders can no longer contain their lanes, based on that mobility, that Tebow becomes dangerous to a defense. 3) He makes Stephen Hill fantasy relevant. Hill is big, and fast and can go up and get the ball, but most importantly, he has good body control in the air, gets separation ( good release, no wasted movement, explodes out of his cuts) and has a very wide catch radius. Tebow just needs to throw it in the same area code, and Hill will get the ball. Tebow will go "tunnel vision" on one receiver during a play, that receiver is going to be Hill this season. 4) He makes Dustin Keller, and I think Jeff Cumberland even more so, as legitimate weapons in the offense. Tebow physically can adjust to the speed of the game. Tebow cannot mentally process what's going on in front of him fast enough for the speed of the game. When you are dealing with a Brees or Brady or pre injury Peyton Manning, you had guys who broke down the defense, recognized the coverage scheme, correctly predicted where the gaps in the defense would be, and immediately got the ball there. The process moves fast enough for them that it looks like a "reaction" instead of a deliberate process. Where Tebow did excel was when defenses went into prevent mode or wanted to limit big play/deep threat options for him. The defense deliberately gave him more time to process what he was seeing, and essentially gave him a longer "reaction" window. Where defenses will adjust now is, my guess, is more defenses will attack relentlessly even late game, focusing on "compression". Keep things tight around Tebow and he's less likely to cut a defenses throat. It's covering those running lanes while simultaneously staying in attack mode that will open up gaps for the tight ends to work as safety valve receivers. Cumberland is super raw, though athletic, but what he does well is he knows how to use his body to block out defenders to improve his chances to catch the ball. 5) Tebow's style of play wears out a defense. They constantly have to keep an eye on his ability to run. They constantly have to try to tighten up the field on him. He locks on, then if his receiver isn't standing on an island, he tucks the ball in his arms and then goes off to the races. But this time, he has John Conner, a vicious hitter, in front of him. He's got that offensive line in constant attack mode, out there slamming into people. If defenders get around his blockers, then Tebow himself, pretty much like a bull in a china shop, will start running over smaller defenders himself. Crazy as it sounds, I think Tebow works better making a middling team to a good team, but would be hard pressed to take a good team and make it a great team. This Jets squad is IMHO a middling team right now. With Tebow, fantasywise, I say uptick Hill and Cumberland. I think you need a coach with WCO pedigree to help a case like Tebow. Someone like Doug Pederson, currently with the Eagles, might be a good choice. Tebow is not a good quarterback in the classical sense, but I think the problem is people are too quick to assess that he brings nothing to the position because of that. A shift to RB would be a waste of a very versatile weapon.
Nothing to say, really. This is just a pity response, because you typed so many words, and nobody cared.
 
Tom Jackson on ESPN about Tebow:

"I'm like the kid at the carnival now. You have the half-man, half-goat behind the screen, and you never show him to me. The more you do that, the more I want to see it. You've kept Tebow behind the screen. I don't think it's a coincidence, he's inactive for the first time, McElroy active. You decide to bench Sanchez. I just want to see him. Rex, it's not that big a deal. The season is kind of done. Let's see him one time. One time let's see the half-man, half-goat come from behind the screen and play football!"
:lmao:
 
Tom Jackson on ESPN about Tebow:

"I'm like the kid at the carnival now. You have the half-man, half-goat behind the screen, and you never show him to me. The more you do that, the more I want to see it. You've kept Tebow behind the screen. I don't think it's a coincidence, he's inactive for the first time, McElroy active. You decide to bench Sanchez. I just want to see him. Rex, it's not that big a deal. The season is kind of done. Let's see him one time. One time let's see the half-man, half-goat come from behind the screen and play football!"
:lmao:
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