Why is Notorious BIG's murder considered a tragedy? (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

Biggie > tupac

Brooklyn baby!

Biggie was so much better.

No surprise that a bunch of NY'ers would say that.

 

[mr. furley]

To answer your question, I dont think people coNsider a tragedy from a life perspective but from a music perspective. Hip hop lost a great young artist too soon. And comparing him to hernandez isn't fair. Pretty sure he never killed anyone. Yeah he sold some drugs when he was younger but he stopped once he started rapping.

Do we know that? He raps an awful lot about killing folks. I always wonder about that, and about NWA and the like. These guys never killed anyone? Or the killed people and nobody cares? I wonder about Dr. Dre.If they were just selling pot on a streetcorner then who cares. But if they were shooting people?

i think its much more likely he didnt kill someone than he did. Seems somewhat dumb to think he did just cuz he rapped about it. Do actors kill people in real life if they act as a serial killer?

Was he acting? It was it more biographical?

songwriting down?

i don't assume that those death metal and heavy metal bands actually committed suicide and somehow came back to write terrible music again

 

[Otis]

Met the guy who was driving the SUV once. Biggie died on top of him.

Damn.

Does that answer your original question?

No?

 

[Zigg]

People think he's a better rapper then Tupac?

I don't understand why either of them are great to be honest

I think that's a pretty reasonable view. I like Tupac, but rap has developed a lot in the last 20 years and some of the word choices and rhythms now are far far superior. But the same can be said of any genre when you compare "now" to "then."

Things done changed?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

People think he's a better rapper then Tupac?

I don't understand why either of them are great to be honest

What rap music is better?

I'm not that into rap but when I hear guys like Eminem, KRS-One, Busta Rhymes, Jay-Z, Public Enemy I can hear the talent. Biggie always seemed like a random fat guy when I heard him. I think Tupac was good but I never understood why he's #1 as most people seem to think.

Again, casual listener of rap here.

Oof

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

It's a tragedy like Len Bias's death was a tragedy. He was a talented entertainer and his early death deprived us of getting to enjoy the full extent of his talent.

I don't know anything about Biggie's personal life. If he was a good guy, it's a shame he died. If he was a bad guy, it's a shame he died before gaining the wisdom and experience to become a good guy.

Good post.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

It's a tragedy like Len Bias's death was a tragedy. He was a talented entertainer and his early death deprived us of getting to enjoy the full extent of his talent.

I don't know anything about Biggie's persona life. If he was a good guy, it's a shame he died. If he was a bad guy, it's a shame he died before gaining the wisdom and experience to become a good guy.

What about bad guys who never gain the wisdom of experience to become good guys. They're just bad boys 4 life. Is it a shame if they die?

Lol, good shtick here

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Think the same thing would happen to Biggie or Tupac if the got their start today?

 

[Ilov80s]

Think the same thing would happen to Biggie or Tupac if the got their start today?

No way, rap world is a lot more peaceful.

 

[HughHoney]

2pac was a thug. He was in the drama club, participated in the school play, and was a back up dancer for MC hammer. He was a true OG.

 

[Sarnoff]

Are you suggesting it was a comedy? Shame on you sir!

It's a tragedy now because in time it will be a comedy

 

[HughHoney]

It's a tragedy like Len Bias's death was a tragedy. He was a talented entertainer and his early death deprived us of getting to enjoy the full extent of his talent.

I don't know anything about Biggie's personal life. If he was a good guy, it's a shame he died. If he was a bad guy, it's a shame he died before gaining the wisdom and experience to become a good guy.

Good post.

Real good posting. That's why they should let Aaron Hernandez outta jail. He's probably a good guy deep down who just doesn't have the wisdom and experience yet that us good guys got. Bonus to that, the TE position is thin this year. He could step in and play like a TE1 if gets a full preseason under his belt.Big ups to MT on that post. Really changed my opinion on so called "bad guys".

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

2pac was a thug. He was in the drama club, participated in the school play, and was a back up dancer for MC hammer. He was a true OG.

Wikipedia says it was Humpty, not Hammer. Interesting either way, though. He's the worst kind of thug, like Kaepernick (if I have my Shark Pool lessons right).

 

[Cliff Clavin]

2pac was a thug. He was in the drama club, participated in the school play, and was a back up dancer for MC hammer. He was a true OG.

Wikipedia says it was Humpty, not Hammer. Interesting either way, though. He's the worst kind of thug, like Kaepernick (if I have my Shark Pool lessons right).

Digital Underground to be precise.

 

[Fennis]

Hi, I'm here for the old white guy convention.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

2pac was a thug. He was in the drama club, participated in the school play, and was a back up dancer for MC hammer. He was a true OG.

Tupac is interesting, he didn't grow up thuggish, but he basically became thuggish in his later teens. he also lived with a white family for awhile growing up which kind of ruins the street cred.

My final take is that he was a thug, but it took him time to develop into one and once he crossed that bridge he went full throttle.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

It's a tragedy like Len Bias's death was a tragedy. He was a talented entertainer and his early death deprived us of getting to enjoy the full extent of his talent.

I don't know anything about Biggie's personal life. If he was a good guy, it's a shame he died. If he was a bad guy, it's a shame he died before gaining the wisdom and experience to become a good guy.

Good post.

Real good posting. That's why they should let Aaron Hernandez outta jail. He's probably a good guy deep down who just doesn't have the wisdom and experience yet that us good guys got. Bonus to that, the TE position is thin this year. He could step in and play like a TE1 if gets a full preseason under his belt.Big ups to MT on that post. Really changed my opinion on so called "bad guys".

Oh, it's the same situation?

 

[TLEF316]

I've met 2 pacs father on several occasions. Played hs ball with his half brother. Both decent dudes.

 

[HellToupee]

Hi, I'm here for the old white guy convention.

thats why I'm here

 

[HughHoney]

It's a tragedy like Len Bias's death was a tragedy. He was a talented entertainer and his early death deprived us of getting to enjoy the full extent of his talent.

I don't know anything about Biggie's personal life. If he was a good guy, it's a shame he died. If he was a bad guy, it's a shame he died before gaining the wisdom and experience to become a good guy.

Good post.

Real good posting. That's why they should let Aaron Hernandez outta jail. He's probably a good guy deep down who just doesn't have the wisdom and experience yet that us good guys got. Bonus to that, the TE position is thin this year. He could step in and play like a TE1 if gets a full preseason under his belt.Big ups to MT on that post. Really changed my opinion on so called "bad guys".

Oh, it's the same situation?

Never said it was the same situation. He just made me think differently about all the people I considered "bad guys".

 

[ILUVBEER99]

also anyone saying biggie was just a fat #### is nuts. He had some awesome songs.

 

[avoiding injuries]

2pac was the inspiration for my thug life tattoo around my belly button. I grew up with a white family and participated in a school play too.

 

[Slapdash]

People think he's a better rapper then Tupac?

Yes, and those people are idiots.

 

[strykerpks]

Kid from Kid N Play shot both of em.

Play was kind of a ##### though. Heard he runs a hardware store now.

Actually true.

 

[Thorn]

your face is a tragedy

 

[Slapdash]

It's a tragedy like Len Bias's death was a tragedy. He was a talented entertainer and his early death deprived us of getting to enjoy the full extent of his talent.

I don't know anything about Biggie's personal life. If he was a good guy, it's a shame he died. If he was a bad guy, it's a shame he died before gaining the wisdom and experience to become a good guy.

Great post, as always

 

[jamny]

I know right? People thinking someone getting shot and killed is a tragedy. What's up with that?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I don't really miss the guy. Live by the sword, die by the sword, I guess.

That's sort of where I'm parked.

I know the neighborhood in Brooklyn. My wife used to teach high school there. There are some good families with good kids. There are some really rotten families with some rotten crip/blood kids. Join a gang, get a gun, beat up and shoot at people, and then get shot and killed yourself?

Eh.

He wasn't killed for any gang related reason or during a drug deal gone bad. There really was no good reason for his (or 2pac's) murder. Both also remain unsolved. Senseless death is always tragic, especially when young, talented, and without real fault.

You banged lots of chicks back in the day. Would it serve you right if you just randomly woke up with AIDS tomorrow even though you didn't do anything to get AIDS lately, other than talk about sex?

 

[Otis]

I don't really miss the guy. Live by the sword, die by the sword, I guess.

That's sort of where I'm parked.

I know the neighborhood in Brooklyn. My wife used to teach high school there. There are some good families with good kids. There are some really rotten families with some rotten crip/blood kids. Join a gang, get a gun, beat up and shoot at people, and then get shot and killed yourself?

Eh.

He wasn't killed for any gang related reason or during a drug deal gone bad. There really was no good reason for his (or 2pac's) murder. Both also remain unsolved. Senseless death is always tragic, especially when young, talented, and without real fault.

You banged lots of chicks back in the day. Would it serve you right if you just randomly woke up with AIDS tomorrow even though you didn't do anything to get AIDS lately, other than talk about sex?

Wait. WHAT.

 

[DrJ]

Because he was ####### awesome and we only got 2 albums.

 

[DrJ]

People think he's a better rapper then Tupac?

Yes, and those people are idiots.

Not really. Biggie is the superior lyricist. Tupac wins a bit in execution.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I don't really miss the guy. Live by the sword, die by the sword, I guess.

That's sort of where I'm parked.

I know the neighborhood in Brooklyn. My wife used to teach high school there. There are some good families with good kids. There are some really rotten families with some rotten crip/blood kids. Join a gang, get a gun, beat up and shoot at people, and then get shot and killed yourself?

Eh.

He wasn't killed for any gang related reason or during a drug deal gone bad. There really was no good reason for his (or 2pac's) murder. Both also remain unsolved. Senseless death is always tragic, especially when young, talented, and without real fault.

You banged lots of chicks back in the day. Would it serve you right if you just randomly woke up with AIDS tomorrow even though you didn't do anything to get AIDS lately, other than talk about sex?

Wait. WHAT.

Biggie wasn't in a gang or selling drugs etc when he was murdered. So why would he deserve that due to past transgressions? He got murdered over a media driven music feud.

 

[DrJ]

I guess you know what they say. Bummer on that Otis thing, but he was really fat.

 

[msommer]

It's a tragedy like Len Bias's death was a tragedy. He was a talented entertainer and his early death deprived us of getting to enjoy the full extent of his talent.

I don't know anything about Biggie's persona life. If he was a good guy, it's a shame he died. If he was a bad guy, it's a shame he died before gaining the wisdom and experience to become a good guy.

What about bad guys who never gain the wisdom of experience to become good guys. They're just bad boys 4 life. Is it a shame if they die?

2nd attempt at

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

The O.D.B. couldn't possibly have committed all those crimes.

Coolio did some of that ####.

 

[joffer]

Who?

 

[Slapdash]

People think he's a better rapper then Tupac?

Yes, and those people are idiots.

Not really. Biggie is the superior lyricist. Tupac wins a bit in execution.

I don't really agree, but certainly think Biggie is an elite rapper. Tupac is just clearly a cut above him. I'm more interested in the Nas vs tupac debate.

 

[DrJ]

People think he's a better rapper then Tupac?

Yes, and those people are idiots.

Not really. Biggie is the superior lyricist. Tupac wins a bit in execution.

I don't really agree, but certainly think Biggie is an elite rapper. Tupac is just clearly a cut above him. I'm more interested in the Nas vs tupac debate.

Nas splits the difference. Not quite the lyricist that Biggie was, but wins by an even smaller bit in execution. Not quite the execution of Pac, but a slightly better lyricist.

 

[Slapdash]

People think he's a better rapper then Tupac?

Yes, and those people are idiots.

Not really. Biggie is the superior lyricist. Tupac wins a bit in execution.

I don't really agree, but certainly think Biggie is an elite rapper. Tupac is just clearly a cut above him. I'm more interested in the Nas vs tupac debate.

Nas splits the difference. Not quite the lyricist that Biggie was, but wins by an even smaller bit in execution. Not quite the execution of Pac, but a slightly better lyricist.

I think Nas is the best.lyricist of all, but he peaked all around after both 2pac and Biggie had died so it's hard to judge relative execution. He has had some masterpiece albums, but you can't compete with 2pac's record. Biggie just doesn't have the catalog to hang, and that's a ####### tragedy.

 

[Otis]

People think he's a better rapper then Tupac?

Yes, and those people are idiots.

Not really. Biggie is the superior lyricist. Tupac wins a bit in execution.

I don't really agree, but certainly think Biggie is an elite rapper. Tupac is just clearly a cut above him. I'm more interested in the Nas vs tupac debate.

Nas splits the difference. Not quite the lyricist that Biggie was, but wins by an even smaller bit in execution. Not quite the execution of Pac, but a slightly better lyricist.

I think Nas is the best.lyricist of all, but he peaked all around after both 2pac and Biggie had died so it's hard to judge relative execution. He has had some masterpiece albums, but you can't compete with 2pac's record. Biggie just doesn't have the catalog to hang, and that's a ####### tragedy.

Pretty sure Eminem crushes all of these guys as to both lyrics and execution.

 

[DocHolliday]

Meh.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Biggie Smalls, the biggest man

Rockin' on and on in ninety three, Easy Mo Bee

Third Eye, and the rest of the Bad Boy fam

I don't wanna see no cryin' at my funeral

 

[McGarnicle]

Big fan of Will Ferrell's version of Big Poppa. That's about the extent of my familiarity with the man's work. All that stuff sounds the same to me.

 

[RBM]

#### the west coast!!

 

[Ilov80s]

People think he's a better rapper then Tupac?

Yes, and those people are idiots.

Not really. Biggie is the superior lyricist. Tupac wins a bit in execution.

I don't really agree, but certainly think Biggie is an elite rapper. Tupac is just clearly a cut above him. I'm more interested in the Nas vs tupac debate.

Nas splits the difference. Not quite the lyricist that Biggie was, but wins by an even smaller bit in execution. Not quite the execution of Pac, but a slightly better lyricist.

I think Nas is the best.lyricist of all, but he peaked all around after both 2pac and Biggie had died so it's hard to judge relative execution. He has had some masterpiece albums, but you can't compete with 2pac's record. Biggie just doesn't have the catalog to hang, and that's a ####### tragedy.

Pretty sure Eminem crushes all of these guys as to both lyrics and execution.

He certainly is in the conversation. Personally, I like my rappers smoother so I will take Nas or Biggie over Eminem, but that's just personal preference.

 

[mquinnjr]

I find the fact that Jay-Z openly admits that he covered the studio fees for his first album with money from cocaine sales puts him in the same ballpark,even though he's alive. The grass roots of his career were established on the backs of the misery of others via felony criminal activities, so of something happened to him I wouldn't call it tragic.

 

[jamny]

#### the west coast!!

link

 

[DrJ]

People think he's a better rapper then Tupac?

Yes, and those people are idiots.

Not really. Biggie is the superior lyricist. Tupac wins a bit in execution.

I don't really agree, but certainly think Biggie is an elite rapper. Tupac is just clearly a cut above him. I'm more interested in the Nas vs tupac debate.

Nas splits the difference. Not quite the lyricist that Biggie was, but wins by an even smaller bit in execution. Not quite the execution of Pac, but a slightly better lyricist.

I think Nas is the best.lyricist of all, but he peaked all around after both 2pac and Biggie had died so it's hard to judge relative execution. He has had some masterpiece albums, but you can't compete with 2pac's record. Biggie just doesn't have the catalog to hang, and that's a ####### tragedy.

Yeah, but biggie's first 2 were superior lyrically to anything anyone else put out In their first 2. Including Illmatic. Those 2 albums get him into to the 5 overall without question, that's how good they were.

 

[DrJ]

People think he's a better rapper then Tupac?

Yes, and those people are idiots.

Not really. Biggie is the superior lyricist. Tupac wins a bit in execution.

I don't really agree, but certainly think Biggie is an elite rapper. Tupac is just clearly a cut above him. I'm more interested in the Nas vs tupac debate.

Nas splits the difference. Not quite the lyricist that Biggie was, but wins by an even smaller bit in execution. Not quite the execution of Pac, but a slightly better lyricist.

I think Nas is the best.lyricist of all, but he peaked all around after both 2pac and Biggie had died so it's hard to judge relative execution. He has had some masterpiece albums, but you can't compete with 2pac's record. Biggie just doesn't have the catalog to hang, and that's a ####### tragedy.

Pretty sure Eminem crushes all of these guys as to both lyrics and execution.

Pretty sure you suck at evaluating rap, stick to something that has more acoustic guitar in it old man.

 

[Tom Servo]

It's a tragedy like Len Bias's death was a tragedy. He was a talented entertainer and his early death deprived us of getting to enjoy the full extent of his talent.

I don't know anything about Biggie's personal life. If he was a good guy, it's a shame he died. If he was a bad guy, it's a shame he died before gaining the wisdom and experience to become a good guy.

This.