Grigs Allmoon
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I don't know what he was basing it on, but a few weeks ago Schefter said he thought the price tag on Romo would be a conditional 4th round pick that could turn into a 3rd (if the team makes the playoffs, etc.)
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Why is there such a witchhunt regarding Romo? (1 Viewer)
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Ya I don't understand people thinking they'll get a 1st for him. No chance. I think Schef might be guessing a LITTLE low, but not much. I expect a lot of conditions being put on it. Something like:
3rd rounder that becomes a 2nd if they make AFC Championship game and 1st if they make the super bowl.
Coeur de Lion
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It's not about what they'll get, it's about what they'll ask for. They don't have to trade him, given Dak's hugely affordable rookie contract, and the value of having a quality backup QB in today's NFL, plus the benefit of not seeing him go to another team that they'll be competing with for titles the next few years. I'll be hugely surprised if they end up taking a single mid-round pick for him this offseason. Why would they? It might be a different story down the road, when his contract accelerates into the $20 million range and Dak needs to be resigned, but for next year, there's just no reason to just give him away IMO.
It's time to cut ties with him. Jerry isn't going to keep him around given the current situation. I can't picture any way he's still on this team, and yes... a 3rd that can become a 2nd that can become a 1st is absolutely better than having Tony on the sidelines unhappy all year (though I do applaud him for acting like he's cool being a clipboard guy).
He's a goner and Jerry is going to take less than a 1st&4th for him.
Rookie_Whisperer
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I highly doubt any team gives up anything for the guy. Back fracture, multiple collarbone fractures, will be 37 before training camp starts, $14 million next year.....no way do I invest the future of my franchise in that. This whole 1st and 4th talk is silly. Tony can't stay healthy, even with arguably the best o-line in football, he can't move, and is getting way too old to invest a high draft pick in, especially considering his current and future salary guarantees. Maybe I'm wrong but the guy was nothing without Jerry Jones going all-in on him. I don't think another team would have ever given him that opportunity or would have kept giving him that long of a leash. If I'm Tony, I retire a Cowboy and quit fooling himself. It's over.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I think that you are underestimating just how QB hungry the NFL as a whole is right now. Osweiler's contract last year and NE's (reported) asking price for Garappolo are evidence enough of that. Take a look at some of the dudes starting games for NFL teams right now. Blaine effing Gabbert played significant time this year...
modogg
Footballguy
i do think deep down that Jerry wants to do right by Romo and he wouldn't want to screw him. With his injury history and age, Romo probably only has 3 years left if that. Worst thing for Romo would be to sit on the bench for a whole year and waste that away. I have to think the Cowboys organization does Romo a solid and trades him to a contendor so he doesn't rot away on a bench. Ideally in the AFC for them. As for what they want in return, they obviously want as much as they want, but i would think Romo and the team will discuss and they may try to trade by training camp so Romo has time to acclimate to new team. Actually may be later, considering Bradford was able to pick up an offense after a few weeks.
But if Cowboys choose to keep Romo, it would be a disservice to him and you would think that the team would want to show the other players that they are player friendly, especially with some big contracts coming up soon for the OL, etc.
But if Cowboys choose to keep Romo, it would be a disservice to him and you would think that the team would want to show the other players that they are player friendly, especially with some big contracts coming up soon for the OL, etc.
Agreed. They are built to win right now minus a QB. They shouldn't waste that D's few years left with JJ Watt. The D is top notch. That's how Seattle won it. Now their D is not as good and they are exiting early in the playoffs.
I would love a move to Chicago as a C. Meredith owner. Miller owner as well and Romo would be able to get the ball to him in the passing game.
Rookie_Whisperer
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Don't get me wrong, I know there are teams with needs at the position and I think he can probably contribute to a handful of wins over the next couple of years, but his salary does not warrant his likely availability, or lack thereof. Plus, he is / was always worth more to the Cowboys than any other team. Now that he is expendable, I highly doubt his market value is anywhere near his current contract. The Gabbert / Garappolo comparisons are duly noted, but they are not paid $14+ million to be starters and Tony will not play for part-time starter money. I also think teams will be highly disappointed if they bring him in for a physical, which could be a deal breaker if a team has a need.Coeur de Lion said:
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Brock Osweiler will make $16 million next year vs Romo's $14 million.
Teams are desperate with a capital D. I don't necessarily think that it will be a good decision, but I think it's likely that someone will pay for him, contract, injuries, and all.
modogg
Footballguy
true, that could be something to think about. I also wonder if having that good of a back-up is a potential distraction for the team. Let's say Dak hits a cold streak for 2 games in a row. Hell people were calling for Romo in the playoff game, does the team want to have this potential issue for a season? The Dallas front office didn't seem to handle it all that great this year, but they got lucky Dak is such a good guy and Romo was able to take it in stride. Chance of this is probably pretty slim, but i would think this would be a consideration.
and honestly, i think the rest of the team wouldn't worry too much about a back-up QB (unless he is a mentor for Dak, which i think Romo would rather be a player right now than a back-up mentor). Probably would be just as happy if Dallas could trim that cap money off the books and bring in some help in other areas of the team
dhockster
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You did watch Sanchez play against the Eagles in week 17, right? I really don't think Jerry wants a potential super bowl season go down the drain if Dak gets hurt. Romo gives you insurance. Sanchez does not.Deamon said:
I think Jerry only deals Tony if he gets what he wants for him (I don't know what that is). He is not going to trade him for a cheap return.
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Rookie_Whisperer
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There is no arguing that Osweiler sucks but he showed flashes in 2015, or at least enough to warrant a closer look by a couple of teams. And as you noted, there is a serious lack of QB talent in the league right now so the Texans took a chance on somebody they have seen play against NFL talent instead of drafting one. Osweiler is also only 26 so the obvious thought process by the front office is that his best days were "supposed" to be ahead of him after studying behind Peyton for a couple of years coupled with mentorship by Elway and the Broncos coaching staff. The guaranteed money he made is criminal but that is how this works. You pay a player for a number of reasons, but mostly what you hope they produce in the future, not what they have done in the distant past, especially for another team. At least winning teams do that. Romo, at 36+ has some past level of production, but hasn't played an entire season since 2014. (although he did sit out one game in 2013 in the middle of the season). Needless to say, he is no "ironman" and he isn't even close to the status of Peyton when he came onto the market after his injury. Since you pay a guy for what you think he can provide in terms of production over the life of the contract, I guess we will see if any teams really think he will be available for a 16 game season and into the playoffs for multiple seasons, or at least available enough to base a game plan and personnel decisions around his strengths and limitations. I'm not confident Tony is going to find any teams really ready to commit to him, short or long term. And if you DO take a chance on him, you'd better have a QB in the chute for relatively little cap space who you still really like, because he will be getting multiple starts.Brock Osweiler will make $16 million next year vs Romo's $14 million.
Do you think he finds a home before other likely FA QBs like Kaep, Cutler, Tyrod Taylor? Those guys all have serious flaws, but they are competition for these limited positions and might settle for less money. There is still the specter of Garapolo who could and should find a home first as well as likely 3 rookies who will be drafted high enough to warrant immediate starts. To me, there are at least 6-7 guys who potentially fill available starting QB slots prior to Tony this year. I think this is a tough time for him to go looking for a new home at 36+ years old, and he needs the perfect scenario or be willing to play for a fraction of what he has been paid in the past. Also, he'd better really love the game at this point and I just don't see that fire in him. He's not Peyton, Favre, or any of those guys that needed to play to fill that void.
dhockster
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If I am the Texans, I definitely take a chance on Romo before Kaep and Cutler. Taylor has some long range potential, so I might consider him rather than Romo. But I think despite Romo"s health risks (which are huge) he is a better "win now" option then anyone else. The good news if he crashes and burns this year, is you can cut him without and dead money against the cap. Dallas will have absorbed all that when they traded him.
Is it risk? Yes, but when you don't have a franchise QB, and the rest of the team is in a position to win, I think you have to take that risk on the best QB you can find.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Tyrod Taylor would be intriguing if he is available -- do we really think that the Bills are going to move on from him though? As far as the rest of the QBs potentially available, meh. A guy like Kaepernick, Glennon, or Cutler isn't going to be significantly better than Osweiler or Savage, IMO. At least with Romo, you know that you are very likely to get strong play out of him for as long as he lasts.
Rookie_Whisperer
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Ehhh....when the front office basically says the position is being evaluated, you probably have to think they don't like who they have on their roster.
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Bills-Today-Decision-making-at-QB-will-be-a-process/83f74a98-00a3-4ffc-8e9e-6b6361886577
Rookie_Whisperer
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I just don't think a trade is in the cards. Likely scenario is that he is a post June 1 cut. The Texans make some sense for sure but do they have the cap space after guaranteeing Osweiler that money? I kind of doubt it. He counts 19 million if they keep him and 25 m if they cut him. That doesn't leave a lot of room to sign a guy like Romo with his losing playoff record and extensive injury history. The Texans have to stop making dumb moves at that position and they have to be feeling snakebit at this point.
Not so sure. The feeling among a few cowboys beat writers now is that they expect jerry to cut Romo outright without a penny in return.
grateful zed
Footballguy
is san fran out of the question for romo?
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
If he has any say in the matter (and given his relationship with Jones, he probably does), yes SF is out of the question. He's going to want to go somewhere with at least some chance of winning.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Denver should be in play, though, shouldn't they?
dhockster
Footballguy
I think Denver will probably want to develop one of their young QB's due to the investment they have made. But if I were them, I would definitely consider getting Romo. I think Romo would be okay with Denver as well
Rookie_Whisperer
Footballguy
FWIW, Sanchez has been a very good mentor to Dak this season. If you want your backup to be comfortable holding a clipboard and helping your young QB read defenses and cheer for him, Sanchez might be just the guy to keep around. http://www.espn.com/blog/onenacion/post/_/id/6045/the-dak-prescott-and-mark-sanchez-connection
I've seen more of these examples after this article was written so it's the real deal. Sanchez might suck as a starting NFL QB for various reasons, but he definitely helped the rookie acclimate to the speed of the game and in preparation and adjustments.
grateful zed
Footballguy
does he want to win?
or does he want media attention and $$$?
jessica and i think the latter.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Teams know they have to move from him, they'll be patience and either low ball them in the draft or just wait for him to be cutDeamon said:
dhockster
Footballguy
Well, that's great for Dak, and a good use of Sanchez. If you want to let Tony go however, and Dak goes down, I don't think you want Sanchez being the next guy up. He has shown in prior seasons, and reaffirmed it against the Eagles in week 17, that he just turns the ball over too much to be an effective back-up.Rookie_Whisperer said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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*Moore will be the backup. Sanchez will have to beat out Showers or his playing career is over.
*- If Moore's ankle is ok.
*- If Moore's ankle is ok.
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I was listening to ESPN satellite radio this morning and they were speculating on a few teams like Denver and the Jets as possibilities, and that while the Texans were also a logical fit that they couldn't see the Cowboys wanting to trade him to Houston and seeing Romo stay in Texas.
They also said that there are whispers within the NFL that the Chiefs could be a dark horse possibility as a landing spot for Romo.
They also said that there are whispers within the NFL that the Chiefs could be a dark horse possibility as a landing spot for Romo.
dhockster
Footballguy
My opinion is the Texans are gutless. They could make it work Salary Cap wise if they wanted to because they can get out of Osweiller's deal next year and Romo's as well. But they are a very risk averse organization, and have been burned with signing aging veterans with health issues before (Tony Boselli, Ahman Green, Ed Reed). They will draft a QB in a QB-poor draft and hope they get "Dak Prescott" lucky. My fear is that they will saddle the potentially very strong defense they should have next year with subpar QB play, and they will waste the talent they have on the defense.
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Footballguy
This is will be what, the 3rd or 4th year in a row? Hell, they had a good D all the way back when Matt Schrubb was there.
dhockster
Footballguy
Being an Eagles fan living in Houston, I follow both teams closely. When you have a decent team but no franchise QB, you have to make bold moves to get one. The Eagles did that by making two separate moves to move up and get Wentz. Heck, they even made a bold move when they traded for Bradford, which then helped them recoup some of the picks they lost to get Wentz. Be bold, or your ceiling is only going to be the divisional round of the playoffs. Either that or be lucky and hit the late round lottery at QB (i.e. Brady in the 6th, Wilson in the 3rd, Prescott in the 4th 
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Summer Wheat
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Minny would have been a nice landing spot.
The Man With No Name
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dhockster
Footballguy
I did not realize how cap strapped the Cowboys are. I thought there was a good chance they keep Tony as insurance but they are going to need to save the $5 million by cutting or trading him because they are currently $11 million over the cap. The only other significant contracts they can cut to save money against the cap are Free ($5 million in cap savings), Lee ($7 million in cap savings) and Witten ($7.4 million in savings). I think Free is a no brainer, and reluctantly they will probably have to cut Witten. I think they will want to keep Lee because he is their best player on defense.
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grateful zed
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dhockster
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I would tend to agree with you because I hadn't heard anything about the Cowboys being in cap trouble, but Overthecap.com is a great place to look at a teams cap situation and the Cowboys don't have a whole lot of options when it comes to cutting players to save money. Now they do have some flexibility with Bryant, Frederick, Smith, and Lee having large base salaries that they could convert to bonuses to defer the cap hit, which Jerry has done before to get under the cap. This is what they will probably do. I don't see them doing that though as a means to keep Romo; my point that I think he will be going somewhere else next year remains the same.Bankerguy said:
Bankerguy
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Witten could be gone, Leary is gone, Free could be gone. Some dollars there. While, I do not believe. the Cowboys could go nuts. I could see them take a run at depth players and maybe a corner.
Romo will not be back.
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It is my understanding that if dealt in a trade Romo's salary would be around $14 million. That really isn't that bad for a team to absorb.
Jerry Jones is a business man and his first priority is to do what is in the best interest of the Cowboys. Why in the world would he release Romo instead of getting something in return for him if he could? Doing "right by Romo" and just flat out releasing him is not in Dallas Cowboy best interest.
If I am the Jets or Browns of the world, I offer Jerry a 5th round pick or something. If Jerry just releases Romo, there is no way he chooses to go with the Jets or Browns over the likes of say Denver or Houston. So if you are the Jets or Browns, the only shot you have at him is to trade for him.
Plus why would Jerry just release Romo and allow him to go to a contender that Dallas may have to play in the playoffs or Super Bowl. If Romo is the one missing piece say Denver needs to get back to the Super Bowl, why in the world would you hand it to them on a silver platter?
Jones should want to deal him to a team like the Browns or Jets that he doesn't really have to worry about.
I don't think Romo has a no trade clause. So if you deal him to a crappy team and he decides to retire, so be it.
Releasing Romo would be a huge mistake by Jones from a business perspective. If you are a team in need of a QB, you should be tossing Jerry an offer.
Jerry Jones is a business man and his first priority is to do what is in the best interest of the Cowboys. Why in the world would he release Romo instead of getting something in return for him if he could? Doing "right by Romo" and just flat out releasing him is not in Dallas Cowboy best interest.
If I am the Jets or Browns of the world, I offer Jerry a 5th round pick or something. If Jerry just releases Romo, there is no way he chooses to go with the Jets or Browns over the likes of say Denver or Houston. So if you are the Jets or Browns, the only shot you have at him is to trade for him.
Plus why would Jerry just release Romo and allow him to go to a contender that Dallas may have to play in the playoffs or Super Bowl. If Romo is the one missing piece say Denver needs to get back to the Super Bowl, why in the world would you hand it to them on a silver platter?
Jones should want to deal him to a team like the Browns or Jets that he doesn't really have to worry about.
I don't think Romo has a no trade clause. So if you deal him to a crappy team and he decides to retire, so be it.
Releasing Romo would be a huge mistake by Jones from a business perspective. If you are a team in need of a QB, you should be tossing Jerry an offer.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
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If all you're getting for Romo is a fifth round pick then no way in hell do I release him. IMHO his ### should sit on the bench for the next two years. I don't feel at all guilty about saying that because the Cowboys have given him $100 million over the course of his career.Stinkin Ref said:
grateful zed
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witten is the new face of merica!
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