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Why the Hatred? (1 Viewer)

you will see this on any internet message board that involves people who do not know each other (people tend to be more civilized and curteous to people they konw), sadly it's human nature: people get heated up, ego comes into play, denial in other cases, stubornness and immaturity, etc etc... so many reasons for it.

I'm afraid it's pretty inevitable. All you can do is develop a thick skin and learn to phase out and ignore the negativity since it brings nothing to the table. In addition, aggresivity and negativity aims to draw attention, like little kids throwing a tantrum, soif you ignire it, eventually it goes away.

if you try to actively change it, you're fighting a losing battle my friend.

just carry on, nothing to see there
I'm not sure I disagree with this, but it seems so sad, in a way. Surely people can act civilized to each other? I mean, I guess not as this thread alone is proving. My other question is, why aren't the moderators like Dodds and Bryant policing this? It's almost a reflection on their product. I love this site and what they do, and that is why it is weird to see these boards be at such a level below what they create and provide as a product in the other areas.
Only to people who do not understand the nature of a message board. Why would you expect an open discussion to be conducted on the same level as a commercial publication?
 
Maybe I'm old but I agree with Jeffngold. Maybe its genrational, I don't know. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with someone, thats how good debate begins. Its the unnecesasry rudeness that I've seen increasing around here and its getting stale. One of the problems is that there is no accountability for bad actions. In 'real life' most people would not say or act like they do behind the safe confines of the internet since there aren't any consequences. Maybe we should start giving out 'strikes' to people who are really offensive and on strike three set them on 'ignore'. If a good majority of people do this, they soon won't have an audience.
The internet is the answer to "What if we could hear what everyone thinks"That being said, it would be nice if we could all have more positive thoughts...
 
here`s the thing...if we were all sitting around at say a cook out and we really didnt know each other and we were all having the discussions we have here every day i can ALMOST be certain that NOBODY would be talking smack and saying the stupid things they say on here...because they would be vulnerable to being viewed as an ### hole...just sayin

 
I came over to this board from another board where the discourse was much coarser. It's much better here, even if people do get into some slapfights from time to time.

As to the general level of incivility in the internets, I think that this explains it well: Greater Internet F***wad Theory.

 
here`s the thing...if we were all sitting around at say a cook out and we really didnt know each other and we were all having the discussions we have here every day i can ALMOST be certain that NOBODY would be talking smack and saying the stupid things they say on here...because they would be vulnerable to being viewed as an ### hole...just sayin
This statement is very far from the truth. Not everyone is a wuss, but even a wuss can be internet tough. The only way you can fix it is to only allow a small number of threads on the board, say one per player, and then have everything very highly moderated. Like a small army of mods that delete anything that goes off topic or gives opinion without fact to back it. Most people will become annoyed after someone tries to tell them for the millionth time that the sky is green and just tell the other person to, "#### you simple ####tard." A discussion board is no different.We all have our breaking points, some are just already broken down by their wives more then others. :jawdrop:
 
Personally I wouldn't have it any other way. If the moral/ethical code around hear was any stricter it wouldn't be much fun.

But I do agree with keeping it somewhat civil and respectful, so long as it doesn't get boring.

 
Example: Someone posts about a player being available on the waiver wire (The waiver wire thread each week). Someone will respond, "I can't believe Player X is available, step it up and play in a real man's league!" That is not witty, nor sharp, nor informational. Those types of post are meaningless and make this whole place worst. Not to mention the others that are just flat out rude or disrespectful.
Sounds like a nice way of saying...hey nimrod, this is a serious wavier wire discussion and bringing up a guy with an ADP of 8.3 brings nothing to the discussion and clutters the thread.
 
OK, this is not fantasy football related, but a point that I think needs to be discussed....why is there so much hatred/negativity on this board? I, like many of you, like coming here to listen to other people's opinions about the hot topic of the day in fantasy. And there are many of you that provide their insights in a well thought out, non-abrasive manner. But it seems to me that more and more each day, there is anger, negativity, abuse, and ill-will being brandied on this board.I don't get why? I mean, I know some people have 'internet muscles' so to speak. But seriously, we are all here for the same reason! If you don't agree with people, then great...that is what makes this game fun! But can't we all agree to a more civil board? Everyone would benefit as we would have more discussion and less hate. Topics won't be shut down, and people can actually LEARN something.Sorry to get all hippie-ish on here. It just seems like it needed to be said. Just treat everyone with respect. How hard is that?I know there are many great posters on here and this is not directed at them. Just seems to me that more and more anger is here daily and I think it needs to stop for the good of the board.OK, back to the one hundred Vick and Best topics (kidding :thumbup: )
It is "natural", for lack of a better term. My opinion is better then your opinion type thingy. Hey ..... I can see it in myself .......... as well as others. Just be glad you are LESS of a #### then the average Joe and be happy with it. :thumbup: MFM
 
First thing I thought of when reading the OP was "just be glad you aren't trying to chat over in the Vikings Purple forum on KFAN."

About 5-10 threads a day from some ######-bag Packer fans and/or dozens of posts from people just trying to raise other people's blood pressure. Another few dozen threads/day from people who'll post stuff like "What about Bernard Berrian for Larry Fitzgerald?!" Serious, serious waste of bandwidth.

There's a lot of people who can be giant jerks in the Pool and FFA. However, the waters here are relatively calm/clear compared to a lot of the chum and sewage-filled waters over at KFAN. :wall:

 
yea, no touching the quarterback. No keeping score. Let's put our PC happy faces on and be constructive!
:potkettle: i think its all relative. this site is actually very tame compared to others(not gonna name names, but one of em ends in today) , and i think it's run appropriately. things get outta control, the mods step in.ultimately, this is football not tennis. talkin smack, toughness, etc., is all part of it. but, there is a point when the smack talk, and trying to make others look dumb gets out of hand. i do agree with that. again, this site is not bad for that at all, imo.
This is football? I thought it was posting on an internet forum about a fantasy sport. It is not football. There really is no place for 'toughness' when discussing opinions with another human being on a message board.Banter is one thing. But outright rudeness and animosity is just unwarranted. Not trying to argue this all day as it defeats my original post. Just saying it would be nice if people could get their point across without hate. Disagreements are great and warranted. No need to be insulting though.
i get your point, i do. i'm a Cowboys fan. you grow a thick skin. on a message bored about fantasy football you gotta expect some trash talk. and sometimes it gets heated. this is usually most apparent between fans of opposing teams that have a rivalry. i.e., Bears/Packers, Cowboys/Skins. is some of it over the top, yea, but without it all this is boring, imo.my advice to you is, avoid the heated stuff. you can choose to read or not read. or leave and find a kinder, gentler FF bored. i rarely visit another unnamed bored because the discussion always turned into pissing matches. this site rarely goes there, imo.
 
here`s the thing...if we were all sitting around at say a cook out and we really didnt know each other and we were all having the discussions we have here every day i can ALMOST be certain that NOBODY would be talking smack and saying the stupid things they say on here...because they would be vulnerable to being viewed as an ### hole...just sayin
This statement is very far from the truth. Not everyone is a wuss, but even a wuss can be internet tough. The only way you can fix it is to only allow a small number of threads on the board, say one per player, and then have everything very highly moderated. Like a small army of mods that delete anything that goes off topic or gives opinion without fact to back it. Most people will become annoyed after someone tries to tell them for the millionth time that the sky is green and just tell the other person to, "#### you simple ####tard." A discussion board is no different.We all have our breaking points, some are just already broken down by their wives more then others. :unsure:
Im not talking about whether someone is a wuss or not...im talking about common courtesy and public decency...if your THAT guy who talks crap to everyone on the internet you wont last long in public acting that way...people are safe to act the fool or act tough on the internet and say stupid things...i highly doubt they would act that way without the veil of anonymity to hide behind...they wouldnt have any teeth left ...lol
 
BustedKnuckles said:
griff321 said:
here`s the thing...if we were all sitting around at say a cook out and we really didnt know each other and we were all having the discussions we have here every day i can ALMOST be certain that NOBODY would be talking smack and saying the stupid things they say on here...because they would be vulnerable to being viewed as an ### hole...just sayin
This statement is very far from the truth. Not everyone is a wuss, but even a wuss can be internet tough. The only way you can fix it is to only allow a small number of threads on the board, say one per player, and then have everything very highly moderated. Like a small army of mods that delete anything that goes off topic or gives opinion without fact to back it. Most people will become annoyed after someone tries to tell them for the millionth time that the sky is green and just tell the other person to, "#### you simple ####tard." A discussion board is no different.We all have our breaking points, some are just already broken down by their wives more then others. :popcorn:
Im not talking about whether someone is a wuss or not...im talking about common courtesy and public decency...if your THAT guy who talks crap to everyone on the internet you wont last long in public acting that way...people are safe to act the fool or act tough on the internet and say stupid things...i highly doubt they would act that way without the veil of anonymity to hide behind...they wouldnt have any teeth left ...lol
Agreed, I wonder how people would act and what people would do on the internet if they only had one identity/screenname that they would use on ALL sites across the net to identify them.
 
Agreed, I wonder how people would act and what people would do on the internet if they only had one identity/screenname that they would use on ALL sites across the net to identify them.
Wait a minute, you guys aren't all using your real names? :shrug: My mom named me Couch because she liked it. I never knew my father though. See, mom was a hooker. Named Idaho.

 
you will see this on any internet message board that involves people who do not know each other (people tend to be more civilized and curteous to people they konw), sadly it's human nature: people get heated up, ego comes into play, denial in other cases, stubornness and immaturity, etc etc... so many reasons for it.

I'm afraid it's pretty inevitable. All you can do is develop a thick skin and learn to phase out and ignore the negativity since it brings nothing to the table. In addition, aggresivity and negativity aims to draw attention, like little kids throwing a tantrum, soif you ignire it, eventually it goes away.

if you try to actively change it, you're fighting a losing battle my friend.

just carry on, nothing to see there
I'm not sure I disagree with this, but it seems so sad, in a way. Surely people can act civilized to each other? I mean, I guess not as this thread alone is proving. My other question is, why aren't the moderators like Dodds and Bryant policing this? It's almost a reflection on their product. I love this site and what they do, and that is why it is weird to see these boards be at such a level below what they create and provide as a product in the other areas.
Dodds and Bryant shouldn't have to police this. We're all big boys and girls. If you don't like it, move on. Just like anything else in life. No one can make everyone happy, or make any one thing perfect. The Shark Pool is excellent, not perfect. Deal with it.
With all due respect, telling someone to "deal with it" or "move on" really isn't your call to make and is not very friendly. Why make it personal? You like the forum as it is? Fine. You don't think a change is needed? Fine. But why make it personal and imply that the other poster isn't a man and needs to just accept people being insulting and rude? You don't own the site so it isn't your call to make. I can tell you that in the past much of the negative and rude behavior was shut down pretty quickly here. It is one of the things I liked better about FBG compared to the old Antsports that I used to frequent. Antsports got out of hand with people saying the most outrageously insulting things to each other and it becomes a distraction from the point of the boards--which is to talk about fantasy football.
Ok, since you want to make it personal... My statement was "The Shark Pool is excellent, not perfect." Deal with that, don't confuse the good with the perfect. Sheesh, why do people try to get offended? I never said the "poster wasn't a man." That was your implication. Since you want to go down the road of implying and assuming, then why assume hatred in your thread title? Are you just looking for hatred? Is this just a fishing thread?
I think that was his inference.if we're going to clean up the board, let's start with the language.

 
BustedKnuckles said:
griff321 said:
here`s the thing...if we were all sitting around at say a cook out and we really didnt know each other and we were all having the discussions we have here every day i can ALMOST be certain that NOBODY would be talking smack and saying the stupid things they say on here...because they would be vulnerable to being viewed as an ### hole...just sayin
This statement is very far from the truth. Not everyone is a wuss, but even a wuss can be internet tough. The only way you can fix it is to only allow a small number of threads on the board, say one per player, and then have everything very highly moderated. Like a small army of mods that delete anything that goes off topic or gives opinion without fact to back it. Most people will become annoyed after someone tries to tell them for the millionth time that the sky is green and just tell the other person to, "#### you simple ####tard." A discussion board is no different.We all have our breaking points, some are just already broken down by their wives more then others. ;)
Im not talking about whether someone is a wuss or not...im talking about common courtesy and public decency...if your THAT guy who talks crap to everyone on the internet you wont last long in public acting that way...people are safe to act the fool or act tough on the internet and say stupid things...i highly doubt they would act that way without the veil of anonymity to hide behind...they wouldnt have any teeth left ...lol
:( I'm not saying that people can't act civil or shouldn't, but in the real world we can also choose who we surround ourselves with and make civility easy. How often do you surround yourself with the uncouth of the world and force yourself to be civil everyday? Of course some people feel "forced" to work jobs or have relations with people that fit this description, but even then most people avoid the co-worker/boss or find a new job. Either you take the good with the bad on internet boards or you just have to avoid internet boards entirely if they make you feel uncomfortable. While some people are forceful and direct, most people simply respond with passive aggressive jabs and a turn up their nose attitude. On forums and in the real world actions that rub people the wrong way usually illicit some sort of reaction, so maybe this thread should be about increasing our tolerance for posts/posters that annoy us. I still disagree with you that people in the real world get beaten to a pulp for acting like foolish jerks. My experience is the vast majority of people(outside of cell blocks) are afraid to confront anyone(outside of the most out of shape piles of mush) with violence.
 
I'm an old fossil, so that perhaps makes me yern for days of yore when respect was expected until one did something to lose respect. No doubt, internet message boards are an incubator for abrasive confrontational communication where people are safely hidden in anominity and can be tough guys behind the safety of their keyboards.

This site does a good job of keeping things under control, but you can't make turds smell like roses no matter how much FeBreeze you spray around. I've seen MB's far far worse than this one. At another site today I posted why I thought Miami was over rated. In the opener and in subsequent posts I explained why I thought so, offered up some stats, and avoided trash talking.

Then this guy who had recently bad mouthed that kid on Denver who just comitted suicide chimed in, and instead of being on topic, only posted how stupid it was for any Jets fan to call another team over rated. What was the point? Some people like to instigate things. They find that insults work better for them than debate. I never did understand the joy internet :goodposting: get out of it, but it's usually the same people.

I make use of a feature I like a lot. The IGNORE feature. I wish it would work when people quote the users I have on ignore though... :lmao:

 
On the IDP forum it's quite friendly and polite. The tone is totally different. Yet it's the same site, and same topic (fantasy football) as here.

I don't know why that is. Maybe there is a different typical profile of users in both.

 
I'm an old fossil, so that perhaps makes me yern for days of yore when respect was expected until one did something to lose respect. No doubt, internet message boards are an incubator for abrasive confrontational communication where people are safely hidden in anominity and can be tough guys behind the safety of their keyboards. This site does a good job of keeping things under control, but you can't make turds smell like roses no matter how much FeBreeze you spray around. I've seen MB's far far worse than this one. At another site today I posted why I thought Miami was over rated. In the opener and in subsequent posts I explained why I thought so, offered up some stats, and avoided trash talking. Then this guy who had recently bad mouthed that kid on Denver who just comitted suicide chimed in, and instead of being on topic, only posted how stupid it was for any Jets fan to call another team over rated. What was the point? Some people like to instigate things. They find that insults work better for them than debate. I never did understand the joy internet :wub: get out of it, but it's usually the same people.I make use of a feature I like a lot. The IGNORE feature. I wish it would work when people quote the users I have on ignore though... :D
:unsure: I love the ignore feature and I use it quite often on many message boards.
 
On the IDP forum it's quite friendly and polite. The tone is totally different. Yet it's the same site, and same topic (fantasy football) as here. I don't know why that is. Maybe there is a different typical profile of users in both.
The people in the IDP forum have a different agenda. If you are starting a new poker game with some strangers or people you just know a bit, the tone is different. People are nicer to each other. New people aren't shamed for not understanding a concept or the rules. There will be side conversations about ideas. Your are trying to make a comfortable place, so people want to come back and play. That is the IDP forum. It is a small group that loves the IDP format, loves to carefully look at the relationship of defensive strategies to statistical output, and is trying to create a situation where more people want to play. They understand that if they build a bigger interest in IDP, they will have more leagues to chose from.The Shark Pool is like a big casino with 20 games going and another 100 names on the board. This site is huge now. Individuals aren't concerned with creating a community. Many are concerned with making a name for themselves within the a;ready established community.
 
1. The ignore feature works wonders. It might seem weird to put folks on ignore but I have had to in the last year more than ever. You can still choose to read their posts if you desire but it will keep their posts initially from being seen by you. It's very simple and typically you'll find there are only 2-3 posters, maybe 5 at the most that really rub you the wrong way and once you ignore them it cleans up the boards instantly. If enough people do it to the same posters then eventually they are just talking to themselves.

2. We're a couple weeks into the season and people are starting to feel bitter about some of their teams so they come in here and start 1 upping folks or get agressive with their posts. It doesn't condone it but it happens. People don't like to be worng and at the same time folks that made predicitions like to thump their chests even though it's week 3. This mix leads to a lot of fighting on the boards.

3. I find that a lot of posters in fact almsot all have at least a couple people they don't get along with in here. That's normal though isn't it? You're not going to like everyone in life and neither are you on the message boards.

Smile, be happy you have a place you can post up about the NFL that's free. If you want to get frisky, hit the FFA which is loaded with life lessons, politics, and BBB complaints. I think the shark pool has been pretty good this year but I understand that viewpoint may not be shared by all.

 
On the IDP forum it's quite friendly and polite. The tone is totally different. Yet it's the same site, and same topic (fantasy football) as here. I don't know why that is. Maybe there is a different typical profile of users in both.
It's obvious the reason. IDP people are not offensive minded. padum pum.
 
I didn't take the time to read the whole thread, so I don't know if its been said or not, but.....

shut the #### up, #####.

 
Buncha whiners up in here... seriously. :shock:

That said, I enjoy a friendly verbal sparring as long as it doesn't degrade into personal attacks or insults. Trash talk is FUN. If you don't get that, grow a little bark and jump into the fray... it's a lot more entertaining to mix in some playful jabs than it is to just sit here over some milk and cookies and go about everything in a whitebread fashion.

It's like food. Sure, the heart of the meal/nourishment is usually what you're after, but it's a lot more enjoyable with a little spice to it.

To recap for those with the attention span of ferrets:

Personal Insults/Attacks = Bad

Friendly verbal sparring and good natured topical ball-busting = Good.

 
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OK, this is not fantasy football related, but a point that I think needs to be discussed....why is there so much hatred/negativity on this board? I, like many of you, like coming here to listen to other people's opinions about the hot topic of the day in fantasy. And there are many of you that provide their insights in a well thought out, non-abrasive manner. But it seems to me that more and more each day, there is anger, negativity, abuse, and ill-will being brandied on this board.I don't get why? I mean, I know some people have 'internet muscles' so to speak. But seriously, we are all here for the same reason! If you don't agree with people, then great...that is what makes this game fun! But can't we all agree to a more civil board? Everyone would benefit as we would have more discussion and less hate. Topics won't be shut down, and people can actually LEARN something.Sorry to get all hippie-ish on here. It just seems like it needed to be said. Just treat everyone with respect. How hard is that?I know there are many great posters on here and this is not directed at them. Just seems to me that more and more anger is here daily and I think it needs to stop for the good of the board.OK, back to the one hundred Vick and Best topics (kidding :missing: )
What YOU have seen in other threads is not necessarily what EVERYONE sees.....and this "hatred" thing is far from fact. Some posters here probably enjoy the witty retorts and sharp one-liner comments. But obviously you do not. But then, isn't it narcissitic to always want to change others to be more like you?Should we now start a thread---WHY THE NARCISSISM?
You might be my new favorite poster.
 
Example: Someone posts about a player being available on the waiver wire (The waiver wire thread each week). Someone will respond, "I can't believe Player X is available, step it up and play in a real man's league!" That is not witty, nor sharp, nor informational. Those types of post are meaningless and make this whole place worst. Not to mention the others that are just flat out rude or disrespectful.
That's your example? I am a little surprised. That kind of stuff is just static. It's background noise. It's static on the radio. (Was gonna say it's like snow on the TV but the young-uns probably wouldn't understand).I thought you were talking about flaming, which gets shut down pretty quick around here.
 
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Maybe I'm old but I agree with Jeffngold. Maybe its genrational, I don't know. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with someone, thats how good debate begins. Its the unnecesasry rudeness that I've seen increasing around here and its getting stale. One of the problems is that there is no accountability for bad actions. In 'real life' most people would not say or act like they do behind the safe confines of the internet since there aren't any consequences. Maybe we should start giving out 'strikes' to people who are really offensive and on strike three set them on 'ignore'. If a good majority of people do this, they soon won't have an audience.
Who gets to judge what is offensive?
 
Just a bunch of guys who thought they were sharks who are 0-2 being cranky###es about it.

 
Somewhere along the path of our evolution some people got the notion that they had a right to never be offended.

 
Geezus, get over it. Welcome to the innernets. The Shark Pool is kids play compared to most everywhere else in cyberworld.

Suggestions: Use the ignore feature. Find a new hobby that doesn't involve your computer. Stop whining.

 
People are miserable and they project that onto the messageboard...personally, I just laugh at them when they spew their haterade...I find it amusing.

I am surprised the mods just don't ban the idiots, but whatever, it's not my messageboard.

 
People are miserable and they project that onto the messageboard...personally, I just laugh at them when they spew their haterade...I find it amusing.

I am surprised the mods just don't ban the idiots, but whatever, it's not my messageboard.
:excited: Says the guy who would know a thing or two about getting banned from posting here.

 
Well, I made some bad decisions in my twenties that led me to live a solitary, lonely existence. I spent a lot of time reading and learning about the atrocities and horrors that mankind has inflicted upon itself. This information and my loneliness led to a severe bout of alcoholism and self-loathing, as well as a general misanthropy that defined my very existence. Nobody loves me and I love nobody in return. I'm out of shape, half-drunk most of the time and my personal hygiene leaves much to be desired. So, yeah, excuse me if I don't think Tony Moeaki is the next coming of Antonio Gates, you piece of ####.

 
Well, I made some bad decisions in my twenties that led me to live a solitary, lonely existence. I spent a lot of time reading and learning about the atrocities and horrors that mankind has inflicted upon itself. This information and my loneliness led to a severe bout of alcoholism and self-loathing, as well as a general misanthropy that defined my very existence. Nobody loves me and I love nobody in return. I'm out of shape, half-drunk most of the time and my personal hygiene leaves much to be desired. So, yeah, excuse me if I don't think Tony Moeaki is the next coming of Antonio Gates, you piece of ####.
:shrug:
 
Most of the outright hatred spewed is a direct result of insecure individuals intentionally inciting animosity. Use the report function liberally if it bothers you.

 
Well, I made some bad decisions in my twenties that led me to live a solitary, lonely existence. I spent a lot of time reading and learning about the atrocities and horrors that mankind has inflicted upon itself. This information and my loneliness led to a severe bout of alcoholism and self-loathing, as well as a general misanthropy that defined my very existence. Nobody loves me and I love nobody in return. I'm out of shape, half-drunk most of the time and my personal hygiene leaves much to be desired. So, yeah, excuse me if I don't think Tony Moeaki is the next coming of Antonio Gates, you piece of ####.
:boxing:
:lmao: :lmao:
 
Well, I made some bad decisions in my twenties that led me to live a solitary, lonely existence. I spent a lot of time reading and learning about the atrocities and horrors that mankind has inflicted upon itself. This information and my loneliness led to a severe bout of alcoholism and self-loathing, as well as a general misanthropy that defined my very existence. Nobody loves me and I love nobody in return. I'm out of shape, half-drunk most of the time and my personal hygiene leaves much to be desired. So, yeah, excuse me if I don't think Tony Moeaki is the next coming of Antonio Gates, you piece of ####.
Mom, I told you last time to stop this stuff, or else! Now I'm gonna have to take your Blackberry away -- go back to your jigsaw puzzles!
 
Geezus, get over it. Welcome to the innernets. The Shark Pool is kids play compared to most everywhere else in cyberworld.

Suggestions: Use the ignore feature. Find a new hobby that doesn't involve your computer. Stop whining.
Where do I find this treasure?
 
People are miserable and they project that onto the messageboard...personally, I just laugh at them when they spew their haterade...I find it amusing.I am surprised the mods just don't ban the idiots, but whatever, it's not my messageboard.
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