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As far as the concern about Harrison going to a bad team with a bad QB I will just add that good WR do raise the level of QB play.
See Stefon Diggs impact on Josh Allen.
See Stefon Diggs impact on Josh Allen.
Pitts won't scare me off of Bowers.Also see, Kyle Pitts vs Jamar Chase
If the draft is today I'll take treveyon henderson. High end size and speed. Catches the ball well. Has the speed for long touchdowns. Pass blocking is a concern and he's had a couple dings since breaking his foot but otherwise he checks all the boxes.From what I am looking at there are some good grades on 6 to 10 different RBs and who are the top ones seems to vary from different sources.
I don't think they are far and away better, but they are good enough that if they get premium spots they can premium produce. TreVeon Henderson and Braelen Allen have the opportunity to be 20 PPG guys. Henderson's a dynamic talent when healthy and he's a very good receiver, could be McCaffrey-esque. He changes everything about the offense when he's out there. Allen is a guy that should be a bellcow that stays on the field in the red zone and on a team with a strong offense but not a goal-line QB like Houston (did I just say that?) or Cincinnati could really be productive.Which two RB do you think are far and away better than the rest?
Yeah I have heard a few times from people here that they think the 2024 draft class is weak at the RB position but I have some serious doubts about that being true.If the draft is today I'll take treveyon henderson. High end size and speed. Catches the ball well. Has the speed for long touchdowns. Pass blocking is a concern and he's had a couple dings since breaking his foot but otherwise he checks all the boxes.From what I am looking at there are some good grades on 6 to 10 different RBs and who are the top ones seems to vary from different sources.
There are a surprising number of decent rb prospects for a supposedly weak class. There isn't a first round guy (although I think henderson could sneak into that conversation with a great combine). But there's a bunch of guys with good size and speed who could go day two.
And there are a lot of older rbs who are getting ready for the glue factory.
I think we're going to see a landscape similar to (roughly) 2010-2015 when there weren't many stud rbs out there and with the exception of the very top guys, situation was more important than splitting hairs between mediocre talents.
Trent Richardson was considered by some to be the best RB prospect since Adrian Peterson. He was drafted 3rd overall by the Cleveland Browns who had an excellent offensive line at the time they drafted him.How many disasters have to happen where people draft for situation.
More than a few?Trent Richardson was considered by some to be the best RB prospect since Adrian Peterson. He was drafted 3rd overall by the Cleveland Browns who had an excellent offensive line at the time they drafted him.How many disasters have to happen where people draft for situation.
How many times does a cant miss best talent best draft pedigree and best situation have to fail before people realize nothing is a sure thing?
Be careful if Harrison somehow ends up with the Browns?
Pitts won't scare me off of Bowers.Also see, Kyle Pitts vs Jamar Chase
If there is a WR or a TE that is the prospect that Bowers or Harrison is, I'll take them over a RB every time.
Understood, one player probably shouldn’t. But so many top TE prospects fail to live up to their hype. Out of the last 15 years, I think Hockenson is the only one who has been worth taking in the top 10.Pitts won't scare me off of Bowers.Also see, Kyle Pitts vs Jamar Chase
If there is a WR or a TE that is the prospect that Bowers or Harrison is, I'll take them over a RB every time.
This years WR class is really strong at top. There’s probably 4 WRs who would have been the dynasty WR1 last year. I think Bowers is the real deal. Better prospect than Pitts.I currently have picks 1-3-4 and then 2 that will be anywhere from 9-14.
Bowers doesn't seem a good selection with the first 3. Maybe viable later if he falls. I reckon from about 6 and later is where I'd feel comfortable taking him right now but we'll see what happens once everyone is with their NFL team.
Can someone explain what separates MHJr. from Nabers/Coleman/Odunze?This years WR class is really strong at top. There’s probably 4 WRs who would have been the dynasty WR1 last year. I think Bowers is the real deal. Better prospect than Pitts.I currently have picks 1-3-4 and then 2 that will be anywhere from 9-14.
Bowers doesn't seem a good selection with the first 3. Maybe viable later if he falls. I reckon from about 6 and later is where I'd feel comfortable taking him right now but we'll see what happens once everyone is with their NFL team.
Route running, agility, body control. The others are very good. MH could be better than his dad. I don’t think Coleman is equal to Nabers or Odunze but he could be a lesser Mike Evans. (Which obviously is really good)Can someone explain what separates MHJr. from Nabers/Coleman/Odunze?This years WR class is really strong at top. There’s probably 4 WRs who would have been the dynasty WR1 last year. I think Bowers is the real deal. Better prospect than Pitts.I currently have picks 1-3-4 and then 2 that will be anywhere from 9-14.
Bowers doesn't seem a good selection with the first 3. Maybe viable later if he falls. I reckon from about 6 and later is where I'd feel comfortable taking him right now but we'll see what happens once everyone is with their NFL team.
If you want to have 1 knock on Odunze, it's that he's a 4th year player. To me that extra year of physical and mental growth is significant when we are trying to separate great players. I guess the thing separating MJH and Nabers is size. Now it's all speculation and the combine will set us straight but Nabers seems like he's probably 6 to 6'1" and maybe 185. MJH is 6'3" 205. Now the question could be, does that even matter anymore in today's NFL? As for Coleman, he has the size and plays like an NBA player out there but it seems like more a splash play guy and not always a consistent threat. He only has 640 yards this season which is barely more than teammate Johnny Wilson despite having played in 2 more games than Wilson.Can someone explain what separates MHJr. from Nabers/Coleman/Odunze?This years WR class is really strong at top. There’s probably 4 WRs who would have been the dynasty WR1 last year. I think Bowers is the real deal. Better prospect than Pitts.I currently have picks 1-3-4 and then 2 that will be anywhere from 9-14.
Bowers doesn't seem a good selection with the first 3. Maybe viable later if he falls. I reckon from about 6 and later is where I'd feel comfortable taking him right now but we'll see what happens once everyone is with their NFL team.
I bet if push comes to shove you wouldn’t have the balls to the Nabers over Harrison.Nabers is a little smaller, but I think he could be more explosive than Harrison. LSU pedigree.
I don’t see Fitz or Calvin with MHJr.
If I decided I liked Nabers better I’d trade the pick.I bet if push comes to shove you wouldn’t have the balls to the Nabers over Harrison.Nabers is a little smaller, but I think he could be more explosive than Harrison. LSU pedigree.
I don’t see Fitz or Calvin with MHJr.
I think AJ Green is a pretty good comp given his body control, size and ability to still stretch the field.Nabers is a little smaller, but I think he could be more explosive than Harrison. LSU pedigree.
I don’t see Fitz or Calvin with MHJr.
I’d rather have Robinson and wouldn’t think twice about it.If I decided I liked Nabers better I’d trade the pick.I bet if push comes to shove you wouldn’t have the balls to the Nabers over Harrison.Nabers is a little smaller, but I think he could be more explosive than Harrison. LSU pedigree.
I don’t see Fitz or Calvin with MHJr.
The consensus isn’t always right. I’m sure there’s a Robinson owner or two that wishes they’d taken Gibbs.
I think this every time I see Odunze. Dude is a beast.Nabers looks tremendous. Fairly nice consolation at 2 if you miss out on Marv.
Well, gotta figure at some point in the next 10-11 years those teams won't continue to roll with that, but who knows.I might be a little concerned if MHJr. goes to Arizona or Chicago and those teams kept their current QBs.
As a technical route runner Murray and Fields’ inability to play on time/schedule would be potentially detrimental to Harrison’s production.
I like him as well, but why didn’t he declare last year? I’m leery of 4 year players.I think this every time I see Odunze. Dude is a beast.Nabers looks tremendous. Fairly nice consolation at 2 if you miss out on Marv.
Hall looks like a fine pick. He got hurt. Also, jets QB will be better next year no matter what.Anyone not draft Breece because he went to the Jets? Probably should not have.
RB situation is the one where you don't wanna be patient.
I am not making the argument that Breece was a bad pick.Hall looks like a fine pick. He got hurt. Also, jets QB will be better next year no matter what.
Who you prefer, London?
I agree with what you are saying as far as the best years of their careers being when they are on their first contract, so the situation they are drafted into matters a bit more than it does with a WR, who's peak years will extend into their second contract, even with another team more.I am not making the argument that Breece was a bad pick.Hall looks like a fine pick. He got hurt. Also, jets QB will be better next year no matter what.
Who you prefer, London?
My point is that a bad situation is much worse for RBs, because when they are 26, you are trying to sell. So multiple years of a bad situation is terrible for a dynasty owner at RB. and at the end of it all, London might be a much better dynasty pick than Breece.
A crappy run blocking OL isn't good for a RB.I agree with what you are saying as far as the best years of their careers being when they are on their first contract, so the situation they are drafted into matters a bit more than it does with a WR, who's peak years will extend into their second contract, even with another team more.I am not making the argument that Breece was a bad pick.Hall looks like a fine pick. He got hurt. Also, jets QB will be better next year no matter what.
Who you prefer, London?
My point is that a bad situation is much worse for RBs, because when they are 26, you are trying to sell. So multiple years of a bad situation is terrible for a dynasty owner at RB. and at the end of it all, London might be a much better dynasty pick than Breece.
I would particularly focus on the quality of the teams offensive line in regards to the fit or situation. Then what other RBs that team has who might time share with them or hold them back for awhile getting full opportunity.
Another thing to consider is if the RB is more of a zone or gap blocking style RB and if that fits the teams scheme that drafted them. Teams should draft RB who fit their system, but sometimes they dont.
That said good RB are good somewhat independent of the team. They don't necessarily need their team to be good or to have good QB play to be good themselves.
Whereas the success of a WR is more tied to the quality of their QB play and team philosophy somewhat. So situation does matter for them also. It's just different parts that matter more.
Yeah that was the first thing I mentioned to be concerned about.A crappy run blocking OL isn't good for a RB.I agree with what you are saying as far as the best years of their careers being when they are on their first contract, so the situation they are drafted into matters a bit more than it does with a WR, who's peak years will extend into their second contract, even with another team more.I am not making the argument that Breece was a bad pick.Hall looks like a fine pick. He got hurt. Also, jets QB will be better next year no matter what.
Who you prefer, London?
My point is that a bad situation is much worse for RBs, because when they are 26, you are trying to sell. So multiple years of a bad situation is terrible for a dynasty owner at RB. and at the end of it all, London might be a much better dynasty pick than Breece.
I would particularly focus on the quality of the teams offensive line in regards to the fit or situation. Then what other RBs that team has who might time share with them or hold them back for awhile getting full opportunity.
Another thing to consider is if the RB is more of a zone or gap blocking style RB and if that fits the teams scheme that drafted them. Teams should draft RB who fit their system, but sometimes they dont.
That said good RB are good somewhat independent of the team. They don't necessarily need their team to be good or to have good QB play to be good themselves.
Whereas the success of a WR is more tied to the quality of their QB play and team philosophy somewhat. So situation does matter for them also. It's just different parts that matter more.
That line stood out to me.Yeah that was the first thing I mentioned to be concerned about.A crappy run blocking OL isn't good for a RB.I agree with what you are saying as far as the best years of their careers being when they are on their first contract, so the situation they are drafted into matters a bit more than it does with a WR, who's peak years will extend into their second contract, even with another team more.I am not making the argument that Breece was a bad pick.Hall looks like a fine pick. He got hurt. Also, jets QB will be better next year no matter what.
Who you prefer, London?
My point is that a bad situation is much worse for RBs, because when they are 26, you are trying to sell. So multiple years of a bad situation is terrible for a dynasty owner at RB. and at the end of it all, London might be a much better dynasty pick than Breece.
I would particularly focus on the quality of the teams offensive line in regards to the fit or situation. Then what other RBs that team has who might time share with them or hold them back for awhile getting full opportunity.
Another thing to consider is if the RB is more of a zone or gap blocking style RB and if that fits the teams scheme that drafted them. Teams should draft RB who fit their system, but sometimes they dont.
That said good RB are good somewhat independent of the team. They don't necessarily need their team to be good or to have good QB play to be good themselves.
Whereas the success of a WR is more tied to the quality of their QB play and team philosophy somewhat. So situation does matter for them also. It's just different parts that matter more.
I added to my post in regards to this.That line stood out to me.Yeah that was the first thing I mentioned to be concerned about.A crappy run blocking OL isn't good for a RB.I agree with what you are saying as far as the best years of their careers being when they are on their first contract, so the situation they are drafted into matters a bit more than it does with a WR, who's peak years will extend into their second contract, even with another team more.I am not making the argument that Breece was a bad pick.Hall looks like a fine pick. He got hurt. Also, jets QB will be better next year no matter what.
Who you prefer, London?
My point is that a bad situation is much worse for RBs, because when they are 26, you are trying to sell. So multiple years of a bad situation is terrible for a dynasty owner at RB. and at the end of it all, London might be a much better dynasty pick than Breece.
I would particularly focus on the quality of the teams offensive line in regards to the fit or situation. Then what other RBs that team has who might time share with them or hold them back for awhile getting full opportunity.
Another thing to consider is if the RB is more of a zone or gap blocking style RB and if that fits the teams scheme that drafted them. Teams should draft RB who fit their system, but sometimes they dont.
That said good RB are good somewhat independent of the team. They don't necessarily need their team to be good or to have good QB play to be good themselves.
Whereas the success of a WR is more tied to the quality of their QB play and team philosophy somewhat. So situation does matter for them also. It's just different parts that matter more.
To give a most extreme example Adrian Peterson on a Christian Ponder led team.That line stood out to me.Yeah that was the first thing I mentioned to be concerned about.A crappy run blocking OL isn't good for a RB.I agree with what you are saying as far as the best years of their careers being when they are on their first contract, so the situation they are drafted into matters a bit more than it does with a WR, who's peak years will extend into their second contract, even with another team more.I am not making the argument that Breece was a bad pick.Hall looks like a fine pick. He got hurt. Also, jets QB will be better next year no matter what.
Who you prefer, London?
My point is that a bad situation is much worse for RBs, because when they are 26, you are trying to sell. So multiple years of a bad situation is terrible for a dynasty owner at RB. and at the end of it all, London might be a much better dynasty pick than Breece.
I would particularly focus on the quality of the teams offensive line in regards to the fit or situation. Then what other RBs that team has who might time share with them or hold them back for awhile getting full opportunity.
Another thing to consider is if the RB is more of a zone or gap blocking style RB and if that fits the teams scheme that drafted them. Teams should draft RB who fit their system, but sometimes they dont.
That said good RB are good somewhat independent of the team. They don't necessarily need their team to be good or to have good QB play to be good themselves.
Whereas the success of a WR is more tied to the quality of their QB play and team philosophy somewhat. So situation does matter for them also. It's just different parts that matter more.
I completely disagree with this approach. Rookie drafts are a crap shoot. You want to give yourself the best chance of getting a starter with that pick and it it doesn't matter where your depth is if you don't hit on a starter. I would much rather take a higher talented player that I thought was more likely to hit than a lesser talent at a position of need that is less likely to hit. If I hit with the player at a position I am strong in that still has value. It's all about hitting on the player and talent is your best chance of hitting.the #1 pick in dynasty is not always about top talent, but supply/demand and the landing spot matter.
We can agree to disagree. To my earlier point, if there is only one stud RB in this rookie class (let's say he'd rate a 7 or 8 on a scale of 1-10) and Marvin H Jr is sitting there as the top WR (a golden 9-10 prospect) but there are a dozen WRs behind him that are a tier below, supply and demand may compel me to take the RB. I'm not saying this is the case for the upcoming year but it does look to have deep quality at WR and not as much at RB as some prior years, this may be a good example of what I'm talking about.I completely disagree with this approach. Rookie drafts are a crap shoot. You want to give yourself the best chance of getting a starter with that pick and it it doesn't matter where your depth is if you don't hit on a starter. I would much rather take a higher talented player that I thought was more likely to hit than a lesser talent at a position of need that is less likely to hit. If I hit with the player at a position I am strong in that still has value. It's all about hitting on the player and talent is your best chance of hitting.the #1 pick in dynasty is not always about top talent, but supply/demand and the landing spot matter.
If there is 15 great WR prospects and only one good RB prospect, I'm still taking the WR.We can agree to disagree. To my earlier point, if there is only one stud RB in this rookie class (let's say he'd rate a 7 or 8 on a scale of 1-10) and Marvin H Jr is sitting there as the top WR (a golden 9-10 prospect) but there are a dozen WRs behind him that are a tier below, supply and demand may compel me to take the RB. I'm not saying this is the case for the upcoming year but it does look to have deep quality at WR and not as much at RB as some prior years, this may be a good example of what I'm talking about.I completely disagree with this approach. Rookie drafts are a crap shoot. You want to give yourself the best chance of getting a starter with that pick and it it doesn't matter where your depth is if you don't hit on a starter. I would much rather take a higher talented player that I thought was more likely to hit than a lesser talent at a position of need that is less likely to hit. If I hit with the player at a position I am strong in that still has value. It's all about hitting on the player and talent is your best chance of hitting.the #1 pick in dynasty is not always about top talent, but supply/demand and the landing spot matter.
This is the opposite strategy I would suggest to anyone in dynasty.Isn't the subtext of this question: is there a college RB coming out who could be more valuable in fantasy than Marvin H Jr? I don't know college football well enough to know that answer but the #1 pick in dynasty is not always about top talent, but supply/demand and the landing spot matter. Since I don't know that answer, I assume Marvin is the presumptive 1.01 in dynasty but it wouldn't shock me if a good-to-great RB came out and, if it's a thin class, the case could be made to pick that guy first.
Ryan Mathews is that the top of my mind as I took him 1.1. He was supposed to pick up right where Tomlinson left off.Trent Richardson was considered by some to be the best RB prospect since Adrian Peterson. He was drafted 3rd overall by the Cleveland Browns who had an excellent offensive line at the time they drafted him.How many disasters have to happen where people draft for situation.
How many times does a cant miss best talent best draft pedigree and best situation have to fail before people realize nothing is a sure thing?
Be careful if Harrison somehow ends up with the Browns?
Ryan Mathews is that the top of my mind as I took him 1.1. He was supposed to pick up right where Tomlinson left off.Trent Richardson was considered by some to be the best RB prospect since Adrian Peterson. He was drafted 3rd overall by the Cleveland Browns who had an excellent offensive line at the time they drafted him.How many disasters have to happen where people draft for situation.
How many times does a cant miss best talent best draft pedigree and best situation have to fail before people realize nothing is a sure thing?
Be careful if Harrison somehow ends up with the Browns?
the Bears have Carolina’s 1st.Let's play a hypothetical game:
if Nabers ends up in a place like..... Buffalo (and diggs bails) and Harrison ends up in Carolina/Giants/NE/TEN.....
Who you taking at #1? If this is still an easy call for you, I don't think you know Nabers.
What if the Bears go Caleb Williams/Maye, then MHjr? On 11/28/23, I cannot imagine a situation where I would not draft Harrison 1.1.the Bears have Carolina’s 1st.Let's play a hypothetical game:
if Nabers ends up in a place like..... Buffalo (and diggs bails) and Harrison ends up in Carolina/Giants/NE/TEN.....
Who you taking at #1? If this is still an easy call for you, I don't think you know Nabers.
They currently have the #4 pick, I don't see Arizona passing on MHJr at #2 with the one exception being if a QB needy team offers a fortune to move up for the leftover out of Caleb/Maye. But then you'd have to worry about NE taking MHJr.What if the Bears go Caleb Williams/Maye, then MHjr? On 11/28/23, I cannot imagine a situation where I would not draft Harrison 1.1.the Bears have Carolina’s 1st.Let's play a hypothetical game:
if Nabers ends up in a place like..... Buffalo (and diggs bails) and Harrison ends up in Carolina/Giants/NE/TEN.....
Who you taking at #1? If this is still an easy call for you, I don't think you know Nabers.
I’ll take Harrison in TEN. But I’m delusional and think Levis would be good for him. But really Carolina isn’t plausible and Tennessee needs to address OL first.Let's play a hypothetical game:
if Nabers ends up in a place like..... Buffalo (and diggs bails) and Harrison ends up in Carolina/Giants/NE/TEN.....
Who you taking at #1? If this is still an easy call for you, I don't think you know Nabers.
SF, I’m not taking Harrison 1.cannot imagine a situation where I would not draft Harrison 1.1.