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Will Smith shot and killed. (1 Viewer)

If someone says I'm gonna get my gun and starts walking towards his car and you proceed to shoot him is that self defense? I dunno. If I had a gun I wouldn't want to wait to find out.

 
shadyridr said:
If someone says I'm gonna get my gun and starts walking towards his car and you proceed to shoot him is that self defense? I dunno. If I had a gun I wouldn't want to wait to find out.
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So no warning, just gun him down because he said he was going to get armed?

 
shadyridr said:
Yeah, clearly not self defense but if someone said that to you and started walking to his car what would you do?
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There are two other options to consider

Draw and warn or run away. I doubt I'd choose option "Shoot currently unarmed guy in the back"

 
If someone says they're gonna get their gun they're usually not lying unless they're the dumbest person on the planet.

 
Apple Jack said:
I remove myself from the situation. You'd have to be a colossal moron not to.

Also? Yay guns! We clearly need more of them.
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Prolly the best thing to do if possible. Do they know what position Will was in when shot? If he shot Smiths wife in the leg and she was inside the truck, he must have been shot when he was at the truck reaching inside?

 
Let's not try to rationalize things here.  We have both parties doing two stupid things on camera:

1.  Will Smith fleeing the scene after hitting the hummer

2.  The hummer chasing Will Smith down and smashing into him.

Both of these are dumb and unnecessary.  And all that happened before words were had.

 
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This guy is gonna end up with a plea deal for manslaughter. Hopefully his legal team will dry up the rest of his settlement money (and I assume it will).

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Cardell Hayes charged with 2nd degree murder... Looking at his mugshots and other pictures, he was a monster himself - looks like 6'6 350... Guess he just didn't want a piece of another dude big like him, what a ####### #####, hopefully he gets life.

looks big enough to defend himself without a gun, ####### scumbag. His user handle is "big boy" https://myspace.com/bigboy6102/photos
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myspace is still around? Go figure.

Sucks. By all accounts Smith was a good man. RIP.

 
Unfortunately we live in a society with a lot of stupid people... The real issue here is getting 12 people that aren't morons on the jury, a tall task for any prosecutor. I'm confident this piece of garbage gets off. 

All I need to do is hear that Smith was shot in his back 6-8 times and his wife twice. If no gun was brandished, then there is no way in hell this is self defense, this was murder and attempted murder, nothing short of testimony from Smith's wife contradicting my opinion will change it. 

 
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Dr. Octopus said:
myspace is still around? Go figure.

Sucks. By all accounts Smith was a good man. RIP.
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Which accounts? The one where he rear-ended a vehicle and then fled the scene or the one where he went to get his loaded gun from his car to settle the score?

...all while his wife sat in the car in harm's way.

 
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Warrior said:
Which accounts? The one where he rear-ended a vehicle and then fled the scene or the one where he went to get his loaded gun from his car to settle the score?

...all while his wife sat in the car in harm's way.
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If he was trying to get a gun, at this juncture, wouldn't you say he was justified in doing so?

 
Dr. Octopus said:
myspace is still around? Go figure.

Sucks. By all accounts Smith was a good man. RIP.
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Myspace was big in the early to mid 2000's, then died when Facebook was opened up to the general public and took off. 

It was reborn around 2012ish when Timberlake and some others bought them and tried to re-brand it as a music oriented social network. Somehow it got semi-popular with the younger crowd for a bit, maybe because all of their parents were now on Facebook and Instagram hadn't taken off yet, but I think most of them just created accounts and don't actively use the network.

Most chicks I have met in the past 3 years in their early 20's have a Myspace account, they don't use them but they all have random pics from 2012-2013.

:homer:

 
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Smith was shot eight times, according to findings just released by the Orleans Parish coroner.
The report says seven of the wounds were in Smith's back and one was in his left side. Several bullets penetrated vital organs, including his heart and lungs, coroner Jeffrey Rouse said. A toxicology analysis is being done, but results won't be available for six to eight weeks, the report says.
Smith's wife, Racquel, was shot once in each leg and is recovering in a hospital, Thomson said.
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In no world is this self defense...

 
I certainly like to think it wouldn't be, but if he was reaching for his gun in the glove box that could lead to getting shot in the back/side, no?

 
The part that I don't understand is that if Will Smith is out of the car when the shooting starts, where is the wife that she gets shot once in each leg?

 
JaxBill said:
The part that I don't understand is that if Will Smith is out of the car when the shooting starts, where is the wife that she gets shot once in each leg?
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Maybe the shooter was standing on the road by the drivers side door, which was open?

Just a guess, I haven't even stayed at Holiday Inn Express lately

 
msommer said:
Maybe the shooter was standing on the road by the drivers side door, which was open?

Just a guess, I haven't even stayed at Holiday Inn Express lately
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/13/us/will-smith-former-new-orleans-saints-player-killed/index.html

Thomson said Smith was behind the wheel of the Mercedes SUV when an orange Hummer pulled in front of them. Smith slammed on his brakes but the vehicles didn't strike each other, so Smith drove on, Thomson said.
A brief time later, the Hummer rammed the Mercedes at a high-rate of speed, causing the back windshield of the Mercedes to shatter, Thomson said. Smith got out of his vehicle, as did the driver and passenger in the Hummer, Thomson said.
"Words were exchanged," he said.
Racquel Smith and the other woman in the Mercedes SUV got out and tried to defuse the situation, Thomson said, and they talked Smith into walking back to his vehicle.
The driver of the Hummer followed and shot Racquel Smith in each leg, Thomson said, then "unloaded six to eight shots into Will's back." Smith was declared dead at the scene. Hayes stayed and waited for police, officials have said.
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Warrior said:
Which accounts? The one where he rear-ended a vehicle and then fled the scene or the one where he went to get his loaded gun from his car to settle the score?

...all while his wife sat in the car in harm's way.
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We're taking the word of the gentleman that shot him in the back as gospel?

 
Warrior said:
Which accounts? The one where he rear-ended a vehicle and then fled the scene or the one where he went to get his loaded gun from his car to settle the score?

...all while his wife sat in the car in harm's way.
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The one where a guy threatened him with a gun while his wife was standing there so he tried to get his own while she was shot twice and the shooter unloaded eight rounds into Smith from behind while he was unarmed.

You don't shoot an unarmed woman twice in the legs and an unarmed man in the side once and the back seven times in self defense.  Even in your own home.

 
& if the CNN account from the linked article is correct, why the #### is he shooting Smith's wife first if he felt his life was in imminent danger? Wouldn't you shoot the threat first? 

I'd also think one at most two shots neutralize any threat that isn't at least as large as a polar bear. 

 
Oh and specifically for the guys always defending the police in cases of deadly shootings: 

This non police officer was capable of shooting someone in the leg not once, but twice. Just saying....

 
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Thomson said Smith was behind the wheel of the Mercedes SUV when an orange Hummer pulled in front of them. Smith slammed on his brakes but the vehicles didn't strike each other, so Smith drove on, Thomson said.
 
A brief time later, the Hummer rammed the Mercedes at a high-rate of speed, causing the back windshield of the Mercedes to shatter, Thomson said. Smith got out of his vehicle, as did the driver and passenger in the Hummer, Thomson said.
 
"Words were exchanged," he said.
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His lawyer failed to mention that Smith was driving away from a hit and run.

Then instead of calling the police that a crazy guy rammed into his SUV he gets out and 'has words' with the guy.

 
cstu said:
His lawyer failed to mention that Smith was driving away from a hit and run.

Then instead of calling the police that a crazy guy rammed into his SUV he gets out and 'has words' with the guy.
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Should have shot him a few more times, IMO.

 
cstu said:
His lawyer failed to mention that Smith was driving away from a hit and run.

Then instead of calling the police that a crazy guy rammed into his SUV he gets out and 'has words' with the guy.
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Except the accident was no accident.  Hayes slammed on his brakes looking for another payday.

 
It's troll morons (like some on display here) that make me confident this murderer walks. Unfortunately some people are so stupid that they'll never know it.

Reminds me of the Jodi Arias defense; I shot him in the face, stabbed him 30 times, and cut off his head in self defense :lmao:

 
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JaxBill said:
Except the accident was no accident.  Hayes slammed on his brakes looking for another payday.
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1. Smith was at fault for the accident even if Hayes tried to cause it and committed a crime by driving away.

2. Hayes committed murder.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
It gives the defendant ammo in his self defense case, no? That has to be spelled out? 
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He was in thee driver's seat. His gun was in the glovebox and wasn't fired. Smith's wife and other witnesses probably will counter any claims made by the defendant that Smith came at him or even threatened him.

 
saintfool said:
He was in thee driver's seat. His gun was in the glovebox and wasn't fired. Smith's wife and other witnesses probably will counter any claims made by the defendant that Smith came at him or even threatened him.
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I agree, but nonetheless, better for the defendant than worse... Gives them something else to argue and cast some doubt on a jury.

 
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