Will this be your last season in a WTF waiver wire league? (1 Viewer)

[Frank Black]

So, you did your homework off season and had a great draft. But this year's injuries and other circumstances took the normal starters off the field. The good news is that you were in first place or high in your league standings. The bad news is that your waiver wire is a worst to first basis. Therefore, unless you picked up a player 2 or more weeks in advance, you never had a shot at the hot WW pickups. That is, unless you dropped considerably in the standings and then you have a different problem.

For those who normally play in WTF leagues, will this be your last year doing so?

 

[Godsbrother]

Nope. Any other system is considered "too complicated" by the owners in my league so Worst-to-First remains.

It is better than First come, First Serve at least...

 

[MrJimiT]

For those who normally play in WTF leagues, will this be your last year doing so?

Yes. Next year we will set up our waiver wire order initially as a WTF, but as picks are made, you rotate to the bottom and work your way up again.

 

[whitem0nkey]

aside from blind bidding what else do people use.

 

[MrJimiT]

It is better than First come, First Serve at least...

Agreed!

 

[AcerFC]

aside from blind bidding what else do people use.

The only way to go in my opinion. Gives everyone the same chance.I got Ryan Grant for 42 bucks. The next guy bid 18 or so. But I made sure I got him because I wanted him.

 

[phthalatemagic]

WTF indeed

 

[malice]

I used to think WTF was ok...then we had an owner come along who seems to rank having free reign over the WW higher than actually winning.

I'd like to move to a blind bidding system with "free" pickups on Sat/Sun until kickoff, but the people in my main pay league are resistant to change.

 

[meanjoegreen]

I don't mind the WTF waiver wire. I like it better than first come, first serve. Our waiver wire opens early Wednesday morning every week, so teams put in their orders Tuesday night. After the waivers go through, it's basically first come first serve the rest of the week.

 

[PsychoMan]

WTF indeed

 

[DolphinsPhan]

we do a worst to first on Wednesday night and then free add/drops until kickoff. Everyone in my league seems to like it. We have small rosters so we kind of need to be able to do more than one pickup. Not enough room to cover TE/K/Def for bye weeks.

In my other league the order is random the first week and then if you make a pickup you go to the end of the line and it is only 1 pickup per week. I hate this method b/c the bad teams can usually never get better. Usually the bad teams are trying to make more moves so that they can improve so they will take more longshot pickups, but that puts them at the end of the line for the following week. Some of the people in my league hate this method, but no one wants to change it.

 

[Crusaderfan]

I play in 3 leagues. One is WTF, one is first come first serve, and the last is blind bidding. They all have their problems.

WTF - The same couple of teams can flip players every week while teams at the top rarely get significant help from waivers.

First come first serve - Guys that have computer access 24/7 have a definite advantage.

Blind bidding - You have got to have an honest commissioner (not so sure I do).

I think out of all of them - WTF is the best

 

[kevinray]

We set it the first year of our dynasty and have just rotated. You make a pick you go to the last spot and it doesn't reset from year to year. I don't like the WTF system. It's good-natured but I don't see any real reason to do it over a system that doesn’t reset every week.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I play in 3 leagues. One is WTF, one is first come first serve, and the last is blind bidding. They all have their problems.First come first serve - Guys that have computer access 24/7 have a definite advantage.

Who doesn't in this day and age? I can make pickups with my cell phone if I really had to.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

For those who normally play in WTF leagues, will this be your last year doing so?

Yes. Next year we will set up our waiver wire order initially as a WTF, but as picks are made, you rotate to the bottom and work your way up again.

This type of priority queue is the way to go, but I don't understand what initial WTF is. Isn't everyone 0-0 initially? (We go reverse of first round draft order as initial queue.)

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

We set it the first year of our dynasty and have just rotated. You make a pick you go to the last spot and it doesn't reset from year to year. I don't like the WTF system. It's good-natured but I don't see any real reason to do it over a system that doesn’t reset every week.

Completely agree. I joined a new dynasty that has WTF waivers and I absolutely hate it. The other one I've been in is you make a pick and drop to the back. Lots of strategy in it. You have to really want someone to put in a bid.

 

[LionsFan78]

We're moving from our God-awful site to MFL next season, and we'll be able to use a blind-bid system. I had everyone vote this year, and they voted in favor of WTF, and everyone is pretty dissatisfied with it.

And FCFS is just plain ridiculous. Never been a fan.

 

[AcerFC]

I play in 3 leagues. One is WTF, one is first come first serve, and the last is blind bidding. They all have their problems.Blind bidding - You have got to have an honest commissioner (not so sure I do).

I dont understand why you need an honest commish. The commish has nothing to do with it. I am a commish in a league that has used Sportsline and MFL and I have had nothing to do with Blind Bidding

 

[Sabertooth]

So, you did your homework off season and had a great draft. But this year's injuries and other circumstances took the normal starters off the field. The good news is that you were in first place or high in your league standings. The bad news is that your waiver wire is a worst to first basis. Therefore, unless you picked up a player 2 or more weeks in advance, you never had a shot at the hot WW pickups. That is, unless you dropped considerably in the standings and then you have a different problem.For those who normally play in WTF leagues, will this be your last year doing so?

 

[xenith]

Both my leagues (one is modeled after the other, just a simpler format) use a daily lottery waiver. End of day the commish reviews all waiver claims, any dups have a equal chance lottery to get the player. It's fair for everyone, as everyone has equal chance. But after 6+ years, I'm sick and tired of it. We're thinking of going to a modified WTF, then rotate to the end of the line when you make a pick. Any thoughts if this would be better than what we do now?

 

[Bossman]

We set it the first year of our dynasty and have just rotated. You make a pick you go to the last spot and it doesn't reset from year to year. I don't like the WTF system. It's good-natured but I don't see any real reason to do it over a system that doesn’t reset every week.

i agree. a rotating priority would work best. If you have a request granted then you move to the end of the priority list.an owner could hold back on acquasitions to wiggle his way to the top of the list and pounce when the "big fish" is on the line.players should be locked from kickoff Sunday till Tues. at Midnight when waivers are processed.after that a FCFS the rest of the week would be fine.

 

[LawFitz]

Blind bidding - You have got to have an honest commissioner (not so sure I do).

Here's how we do it to remove the commissioner's ability to cheat...Set up a free email on yahoo or hotmail or whatever. Then allow the commissioner all day Tues to send email bids to this email until 5 PM. Then from 5PM-midnight allow the rest of the league to make bids but no more bids from the commissioner.Since every bid is cataloged on the email, there is no room for shenanigans. Simply reset the password each week and divulge it to the league with the blind bidding results so that any league member can audit the commish at any time.The only flaw is that the commish is screwed if major news breaks after 5P on Tues but we've never had a problem with it.

 

[Sabertooth]

Blind bidding - You have got to have an honest commissioner (not so sure I do).

Here's how we do it to remove the commissioner's ability to cheat...Set up a free email on yahoo or hotmail or whatever. Then allow the commissioner all day Tues to send email bids to this email until 5 PM. Then from 5PM-midnight allow the rest of the league to make bids but no more bids from the commissioner.Since every bid is cataloged on the email, there is no room for shenanigans. Simply reset the password each week and divulge it to the league with the blind bidding results so that any league member can audit the commish at any time.The only flaw is that the commish is screwed if major news breaks after 5P on Tues but we've never had a problem with it.

Sounds like a lot of BS.

 

[GoL]

Our league uses lowest score to highest score week by week.

Teams with depth might still miss out on an injured stars replacement but if they have depth that's OK.

 

[Crusaderfan]

I play in 3 leagues. One is WTF, one is first come first serve, and the last is blind bidding. They all have their problems.Blind bidding - You have got to have an honest commissioner (not so sure I do).

I dont understand why you need an honest commish. The commish has nothing to do with it. I am a commish in a league that has used Sportsline and MFL and I have had nothing to do with Blind Bidding

My league is on CBSSportsline. Maybe I'm wrong but I assumed that at 7pm on Friday when the bid closes, he takes all bids and awards the player to the highest bidder. I assumed that he processes the bids since some weeks they don't get processed right at 7pm but later. Maybe I'm wrong about the process.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

Blind bidding - You have got to have an honest commissioner (not so sure I do).

Here's how we do it to remove the commissioner's ability to cheat...Set up a free email on yahoo or hotmail or whatever. Then allow the commissioner all day Tues to send email bids to this email until 5 PM. Then from 5PM-midnight allow the rest of the league to make bids but no more bids from the commissioner.Since every bid is cataloged on the email, there is no room for shenanigans. Simply reset the password each week and divulge it to the league with the blind bidding results so that any league member can audit the commish at any time.The only flaw is that the commish is screwed if major news breaks after 5P on Tues but we've never had a problem with it.

Sounds like a lot of BS.

I think most any league management site will handle this for you

 

[Toons]

For those who normally play in WTF leagues, will this be your last year doing so?

Yes. Next year we will set up our waiver wire order initially as a WTF, but as picks are made, you rotate to the bottom and work your way up again.

I actually like this system the best. Initial post-draft waiver order in our league is determined by reverse draft order position, then as the waiver prioirity is used the team owner recycles to the bottom of the list and works his way back to the top. The problem with this system for me is that I always seem to want to "bank" my waiver priority (have currently been number one for 5 weeks now). I've used being in the number 1 slot as an advantage in eliminating some of my hand cuffs from my roster (like Betts). This way if Portis goes down (during a game anyway), I'm set.Where it works against me is I'm always debating whether a player is "waiver worthy" when I want to pick him up. I'm always online at around 12:40AM CST when CBS Sportsline runs the waivers to see if my player has made it through and then snag him then. Missed out on Chris Henry (Cin) this way though...Oh well, number 1 and waiting...

 

[NYCGangGreen]

For those who normally play in WTF leagues, will this be your last year doing so?

Yes. Next year we will set up our waiver wire order initially as a WTF, but as picks are made, you rotate to the bottom and work your way up again.

I actually like this system the best. Initial post-draft waiver order in our league is determined by reverse draft order position, then as the waiver prioirity is used the team owner recycles to the bottom of the list and works his way back to the top. The problem with this system for me is that I always seem to want to "bank" my waiver priority (have currently been number one for 5 weeks now). I've used being in the number 1 slot as an advantage in eliminating some of my hand cuffs from my roster (like Betts). This way if Portis goes down (during a game anyway), I'm set.Where it works against me is I'm always debating whether a player is "waiver worthy" when I want to pick him up. I'm always online at around 12:40AM CST when CBS Sportsline runs the waivers to see if my player has made it through and then snag him then. Missed out on Chris Henry (Cin) this way though...Oh well, number 1 and waiting...

Dude, just crap or get off the pot already. Why would you hold onto it this long now??? Do you really think there is a uber-stud still left on the WW in week 11? Chris Henry was your best option and you blew it.....Just a reason why the rotating system is flawed also.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

ESPN is the one that's bugging me out this year. It *seems* like it's WTF, but the transaction reports on Thurs. morning don't bear that out. We have some teams getting 2 claims before anyone else gets 1 (on players they both wanted). Meh, there are probably threads about it here somewhere already.

 

[kevinray]

For those who normally play in WTF leagues, will this be your last year doing so?

Yes. Next year we will set up our waiver wire order initially as a WTF, but as picks are made, you rotate to the bottom and work your way up again.

I actually like this system the best. Initial post-draft waiver order in our league is determined by reverse draft order position, then as the waiver prioirity is used the team owner recycles to the bottom of the list and works his way back to the top. The problem with this system for me is that I always seem to want to "bank" my waiver priority (have currently been number one for 5 weeks now). I've used being in the number 1 slot as an advantage in eliminating some of my hand cuffs from my roster (like Betts). This way if Portis goes down (during a game anyway), I'm set.Where it works against me is I'm always debating whether a player is "waiver worthy" when I want to pick him up. I'm always online at around 12:40AM CST when CBS Sportsline runs the waivers to see if my player has made it through and then snag him then. Missed out on Chris Henry (Cin) this way though...Oh well, number 1 and waiting...

Dude, just crap or get off the pot already. Why would you hold onto it this long now??? Do you really think there is a uber-stud still left on the WW in week 11? Chris Henry was your best option and you blew it.....Just a reason why the rotating system is flawed also.

I don't know if that makes it flawed though. I mean mistakes are made in FF all the time, but at least with rotating there’s the added element of strategy for holding the pick for a big splash or as a trade commodity. I know some players that like to be in the back and they just snag up any guy they have interest in while the higher guys wait for something that may never come. Only reason to do a different system is to try and create parity, and I've never thought worst performance last week was a good determiner for who's team was the worst.

 

[LawFitz]

Blind bidding - You have got to have an honest commissioner (not so sure I do).

Here's how we do it to remove the commissioner's ability to cheat...Set up a free email on yahoo or hotmail or whatever. Then allow the commissioner all day Tues to send email bids to this email until 5 PM. Then from 5PM-midnight allow the rest of the league to make bids but no more bids from the commissioner.Since every bid is cataloged on the email, there is no room for shenanigans. Simply reset the password each week and divulge it to the league with the blind bidding results so that any league member can audit the commish at any time.The only flaw is that the commish is screwed if major news breaks after 5P on Tues but we've never had a problem with it.

Sounds like a lot of BS.

I think most any league management site will handle this for you

Sure if you want to pay for an upgraded league, but I play with a bunch of cheap ###es. This is a free alternative and it's actually pretty easy to implement and execute.

 

[whoiskb]

I think most any league management site will handle this for you

We use ESPN for our three leagues and I don't believe they support the bidding process for waivers.BTW, how do you manage the money for each team? Do they get so much each week or do they get one sum that they can use for the entire year?

 

[glock]

Lobby for a set number of waiver wire moves per owner for the season. For years it was set at 2 in my $$ league. this year we went to 3. You'll have no more of the bottom dwellers picking up the flavor of the week EVERY week.

 

[laxiepoo]

For those who normally play in WTF leagues, will this be your last year doing so?

Yes. Next year we will set up our waiver wire order initially as a WTF, but as picks are made, you rotate to the bottom and work your way up again.

That's the way my Yahoo! league works. Original Waiver Wire order is set by reverse draft order, then it rotates based on successfuly Waiver Wire pickups. So if I have a WW Priority of 2 and I make a pickup, I drop down to 12 and everyone else bumps up.We've used Waivers this way for a couple years and it seems to work out well with no complaints. True, it's not the fairest in the world. The higher-ranked teams could certainly wait on their WW Priority for a nice time to make a pickup. In an active league, this tends to balance out though.-- Lax

 

[Nigel]

For those who normally play in WTF leagues, will this be your last year doing so?

Yes. Next year we will set up our waiver wire order initially as a WTF, but as picks are made, you rotate to the bottom and work your way up again.

One of my leagues does WTF, one does what you describe for next year. The latter is much fairer. In a 12 team league with a 4 RB max where I've been in first all year, I've been screwed constantly by getting last pick after one of my RBs go down - most recently LJ and ADP.

 

[Go Pack]

We do WTF on Wednesday's, but we have an injury replacement option. If you have a player injured that is questionable or worse for the next week you can submit a claim to the commish by Tuesday night and get first priority on a replacement player of the same position before WTF waivers run. It works pretty well to keep things competitve. It's a little extra work for the commish, but not much.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

I play in 3 leagues. One is WTF, one is first come first serve, and the last is blind bidding. They all have their problems.WTF - The same couple of teams can flip players every week while teams at the top rarely get significant help from waivers.First come first serve - Guys that have computer access 24/7 have a definite advantage.Blind bidding - You have got to have an honest commissioner (not so sure I do).I think out of all of them - WTF is the best

i take it your leagues doesn' t have automated blind bidding-it takes the commish out of the equation. salary cap and blind bidding is the way to go. we still have free free agent pickups after our bidding so owners can fill out the rest of the roster fodder.

 

[burd]

I play in 3 leagues. One is WTF, one is first come first serve, and the last is blind bidding. They all have their problems.WTF - The same couple of teams can flip players every week while teams at the top rarely get significant help from waivers.First come first serve - Guys that have computer access 24/7 have a definite advantage.Blind bidding - You have got to have an honest commissioner (not so sure I do).I think out of all of them - WTF is the best

i use a reverse of the draft order for the first week and people don't go to the end of the line until they use their pick. i think this is a fair system because everyone eventually gets first crack at a coveted player.

 

[NOONAN]

We have 11 offense and 11 defense active, so our league is a bit different than most. You get 2 free picks each week and an additional free bye week pick during the byes. Injury report is part of our priority. Inj-Out and Inj-Doubtful are also free picks. Did Not Stat is a free pick(this gives something for those late scratches). 4 man taxi to rotate at will. We replace by position, so you may have a higher priority at QB but a lower priority at LB. Performance from previous week or injury status determines priority. Ties are broken by record.

TRANSACTIONS:

All player replacement is done by position being replaced. Order is determined on a priority basis by position as follows:

Priority #1 Injured-Out(Injured Reserve)

Priority #2 Injured-Doubtful

Priority #3 Did Not Stat

Priority #4 Suspended

Priority #5 Score-0

Priority #6 ½ pt, 1 pt, 1 ½ pts., etc.

It seems to work well. If you have an injury, you will have very high priority-as it should be. If you pick a guy that sucks, you have less priority for that position.

It is a little more work, but it seems to spread the waiver wire out to everyone, with preference to those hit by injuries.

 

[massraider]

For those who normally play in WTF leagues, will this be your last year doing so?

Yes. Next year we will set up our waiver wire order initially as a WTF, but as picks are made, you rotate to the bottom and work your way up again.

I actually like this system the best. Initial post-draft waiver order in our league is determined by reverse draft order position, then as the waiver prioirity is used the team owner recycles to the bottom of the list and works his way back to the top. The problem with this system for me is that I always seem to want to "bank" my waiver priority (have currently been number one for 5 weeks now). I've used being in the number 1 slot as an advantage in eliminating some of my hand cuffs from my roster (like Betts). This way if Portis goes down (during a game anyway), I'm set.Where it works against me is I'm always debating whether a player is "waiver worthy" when I want to pick him up. I'm always online at around 12:40AM CST when CBS Sportsline runs the waivers to see if my player has made it through and then snag him then. Missed out on Chris Henry (Cin) this way though...

Oh well, number 1 and waiting...

Dude, just crap or get off the pot already. Why would you hold onto it this long now??? Do you really think there is a uber-stud still left on the WW in week 11? Chris Henry was your best option and you blew it.....Just a reason why the rotating system is flawed also.

A gun-shy owner isn't a reason, or proof, that the rotating system is flawed. It may be proof of a flawed owner. The rotating system, along with the blind bidding system, means owners have to make choices, based on what they think might happen, rather than the dregs of the league picking up every Frisman Jackson that comes down the pike, and tripping over a Marques Colston. Strategy now enters into it, and makes our little game that much more realistic, where teams have to think twice before making a transaction.

 

[Resident A]

i use a reverse of the draft order for the first week and people don't go to the end of the line until they use their pick. i think this is a fair system because everyone eventually gets first crack at a coveted player.

I've done it this way for years, it's the only fair way aside from blind bidding. Blind bids take extra work for the commish, & i don't need extra work.A few weeks ago, I sat on the top WW priority for 2 weeks waiting for somebody to emerge worthy of using the pick. Ryan Grant was the pick.

 

[JohnnyU]

One of the downfalls to MFL using blind bids, is that they only tell you how much you've spent YTD on blind bids, not how much you have left. If you have blind bid $$$ carryovers to the next year or allow trading of blind bid $$$, it becomes a nightmare keeping up with team blind bid balances. If you don't have carryovers or trading of blind bid bucks, then it's not as much of a problem. I don't know about you, but I like to know what everyone has left to spend. Like I said, this is not a problem if you don't have carryovers or trading of blind bid $$$.

 

[Franknbeans]

aside from blind bidding what else do people use.

We do worst to first and process them on Thursday nights and then it is first come, first served through game time on Sunday.

 

[stbugs]

i use a reverse of the draft order for the first week and people don't go to the end of the line until they use their pick. i think this is a fair system because everyone eventually gets first crack at a coveted player.

I've done it this way for years, it's the only fair way aside from blind bidding. Blind bids take extra work for the commish, & i don't need extra work.A few weeks ago, I sat on the top WW priority for 2 weeks waiting for somebody to emerge worthy of using the pick. Ryan Grant was the pick.

I am in one blind bidding (new league for me) and one with the rotation once you make a pick and I like the latter as well. I was sitting atop this week and grabbed Chester Taylor because my RB depth is not great and I was sitting there because I decided not to bid on Priest Holmes, etc. last week and knew that enough people would make moves to get me to the top. I have missed out on guys like Grant because you knew he wouldn't be there, but some people take kickers and defenses through waivers and I will just wait until the wire is done and do first come first serve to get my wire priority higher if I don't really need anyone.

 

[Nemesis]

WTF is "Fantasy Football Welfare" ........"you sucked at drafting, you've sucked at picking starters.....so we're going bring you to the front of the line." No thank-you.

Blind bid is the way to go IMO......and mostly closely mirrors the NFL if there is a real free agent. Everybody has a shot at them and if you were unfortunate to get saddled w/ injuries.......you don't get a free pass, you pay!

BTW: I use RTSports.com and we use their blind bid system on Wed nights. As commish, it's nice b/c the website processes everything (no more emails and commissioner "work-arounds" or "unfair advantage" b/c I can't see my fellow owner's bids). The website then automatically starts the FCFS window on Thur morning for those that didn't win their bids. [now....if only my other RTS league where I'm not commissioner would start using it...they're stubborn)

 

[3C's]

I used to think WTF was ok...then we had an owner come along who seems to rank having free reign over the WW higher than actually winning.I'd like to move to a blind bidding system with "free" pickups on Sat/Sun until kickoff, but the people in my main pay league are resistant to change.

That's kind of how we do it. BB first half of week, FCFS the rest and limited moves each week. Other league I joined has FCFS 24/7.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

WTF is "Fantasy Football Welfare" ........"you sucked at drafting, you've sucked at picking starters.....so we're going bring you to the front of the line." No thank-you.

Blind bid is the way to go IMO......and mostly closely mirrors the NFL if there is a real free agent. Everybody has a shot at them and if you were unfortunate to get saddled w/ injuries.......you don't get a free pass, you pay!

BTW: I use RTSports.com and we use their blind bid system on Wed nights. As commish, it's nice b/c the website processes everything (no more emails and commissioner "work-arounds" or "unfair advantage" b/c I can't see my fellow owner's bids). The website then automatically starts the FCFS window on Thur morning for those that didn't win their bids. [now....if only my other RTS league where I'm not commissioner would start using it...they're stubborn)

Head-to-head isn't much different. "You're not the best team, you didn't draft the best players and you wouldn't win it all on your own. You can't compete with the owners who drafted better rosters, so let's give you a 'schedule' where you might be lucky enough to beat enough chumps on off-weeks to pretend you earned your way to a title."It's all how you look at it. It's just a game, you know.

 

[Yenrub]

One of the downfalls to MFL using blind bids, is that they only tell you how much you've spent YTD on blind bids, not how much you have left. If you have blind bid $$$ carryovers to the next year or allow trading of blind bid $$$, it becomes a nightmare keeping up with team blind bid balances. If you don't have carryovers or trading of blind bid bucks, then it's not as much of a problem. I don't know about you, but I like to know what everyone has left to spend. Like I said, this is not a problem if you don't have carryovers or trading of blind bid $$$.

I have a question about the blind bidding on MFLCan you set it to automatically run at a certain day and time each week so that the commissioner doesn’t have to do anything with it after the initial set up?

 

[3C's]

One of the downfalls to MFL using blind bids, is that they only tell you how much you've spent YTD on blind bids, not how much you have left. If you have blind bid $$$ carryovers to the next year or allow trading of blind bid $$$, it becomes a nightmare keeping up with team blind bid balances. If you don't have carryovers or trading of blind bid bucks, then it's not as much of a problem. I don't know about you, but I like to know what everyone has left to spend. Like I said, this is not a problem if you don't have carryovers or trading of blind bid $$$.

I have a question about the blind bidding on MFLCan you set it to automatically run at a certain day and time each week so that the commissioner doesn’t have to do anything with it after the initial set up?

I don't think so but I wouldn't want it to anyway. I've seen it attempt to award 2 players to the same team.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Bumping this since we're starting a new, local league and trying to determine which is the best way to go. IMO, the rotating waiver order seems to be the best.

God Bless the search function

Anyone else wanna chime in re: what their leagues do?