Some of the big pharmacy chains have sent out communications to not turn anyone away and not be ‘vaccine police’. That puts everyone who is following the proper protocols in a hard spot that usually ends with the employees getting yelled at. These chains don’t care if someone needs to get a shot, they just want to boost their profits.
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Will you get a Covid vaccine when available? (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter gianmarco
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Footballguy
Are you just referring to boosters? If so, that seems to be universal. Nobody is requiring proof of being immunocompromised to get a third shot. They're plentiful. If people want them, they should get them.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
Other way around — Biff’s crew would get yelled at for following the rules, and irate refused customers will yell at them “CVS will do it! Why aren’t you?!?!?”
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Gotcha, he is saying someone who works for a pharmacy that’s not CVS, Rite Aid, etc. It seems like the solution would be simply to direct the person to the local Walgreens. Around here there’s a big corporate pharmacy on every corner.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
My wife and I are travelling out of the country in a few weeks. We were both planning on holding off on boosters until there was firmer guidance, but we talked about it yesterday and we're both thinking it would be prudent to go ahead and get a third shot before getting on a plane for Europe. (This assumes that our trip doesn't get cancelled by the Greek government, which certainly isn't out of the question).
My second shot was in early April. Hers was in February, I believe. We're a Moderna household. I know they're still in talks about what the optimal dose is for shot #3 is and what the optimal timing is for the booster, and if I was just planning on sitting around here this fall I'd just wait because I don't feel a strong sense of urgency about it. But I think the risk of international travel is sufficiently large that I'd like to get the booster even if it isn't delivered optimally. For example, it would be really inconvenient to test positive on my way back into the US -- I don't even know what protocol is for that but I would rather not deal with whatever hassle it involves.
This is where I'm always reminded on how I'm just not wired the same way as normal people. If a pharmacist checked their records and told me that I'm not eligible, I would sheepishly exit the scene with as little as drama as possible because I'd feel embarrassed at having gotten caught trying to pull a a fast one. I don't have the "double down by yelling at the employee" gene.
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That’s the solution but it’s also not the answer they want to hear especially if they are a regular customer. That leads to the yelling, complaints and possible loss of business.
So why don’t I just give it? Consistency. If I break the protocol for one person, I have to break them for dozens of people after they tell all their friends that we’re doing it. What’s the problem with that? We’re in the middle of flu shot season where we often do 30-60 shots a day. The last thing we need is a rush of people wanting their booster shot before they’re eligible.
So please just wait until you’re actually eligible and don’t assume that every place isn’t following the protocol.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
CrossEyed2
Footballguy
Add me to the “not in a million years” category. 
CrossEyed2
Footballguy
By the way, if anyone is interested in challenging their paradigms on this and pretty much all illnesses, here’s a fascinating discussion with a couple of doctors. I’m not a big fan of the interviewer, but Dr Cowan and Dr Kaufman have been really interesting to listen to throughout this whole thing.
Here’s the discussion
Here’s the discussion
gianmarco
Footballguy
These 2 are complete quacks. Kaufman is a trained psychiatrist that denies the existence of AIDS, hepatitis, chickenpox, among other things.
This is fringe nonsense that has no evidence whatsoever.
We try not to derail this thread with fictional and potentially dangerous dialogue like this.
Not looking to engage in a back and forth on this. Just know this has been brought up before and it's been dismissed and there's really no interest in going back down this road again.
PIK95
Footballguy
CrossEyed2
Footballguy
Have you bothered to actually listen to their explanations, or do you just believe what others say about them? Doesn’t matter to me one way or the other, just curious as to why you don’t believe what they present. I’m far more familiar with Cowan than Kaufman. His books on the heart and on cancer are quite interesting.
PIK95
Footballguy
Quacks are quacks. Anyone that acts like a duck, needs to be ignored imo. We need actual science these days.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I'm curious as to why you believe what they have to say? Especially when it contradicts tens of thousands of doctors and scientists. How do these 2 have it right and thousands of others have it wrong?
I don't waste time and energy listening or giving credence to anyone that denies things we know about basic science and medicine. Someone believes AIDS is a hoax? That's a non-starter.
Feel free to answer my initial question since you posed something similar, but as I stated above, I have zero interest in engaging in this fringe quackery.
Nope. Zero chance. There's as many as 100 million people in the USA that are completely asymptomatic. Why would I put that crap in me when I can get treatment? Quit buying into the ridiculous fear pron. I've been around 6 people now that were full blown covid. Face to face with each one. Been to packed, maskless Vegas. Sat at a dinner table in Vegas next to one for well over an hour. Shared a mouse & keyboard with one for 1/2 hour. My brother had it, my 94 year old dad had it. Did not know they had it until their blood tests came back positive for the antibodies. We also have the monoclonal antibody treatment in Free USA, Florida, just in case.
Get healthy, take vitamin C, D3, zinc, quercetin, exercise, eat right and quit going to krispy kreme for your free covid dounts. Get your vitamn D level up to where it should be. Everyone should be having their vitamin D level tested. AND my gawd, quit listening to fauci. I mean, are you not wearing a mask, wearing a mask, wearing 2 masks because that guy can get anything right.
Go get back in line for jab #4. Isreal is prepping to roll that out already. Pretty soon your gonna need a backpack of covid juice and a runnig IV.
CrossEyed2
Footballguy
I’ve actually gone back and read about the research and experiments that were and weren’t done. I’ve listened to Peter Duesberg’s entire book on HIV/AIDS. I’ve read/listened to Kary Mullis talk about his Nobel Prize winning discovery, the PCR, and what it is and isn’t capable of. I do my best to go back to source material and decide for myself. It’s what allowed me to escape from the lies of religion. What I’ve discovered is that religion isn’t the only place that beliefs are based on blind faith.
Allow me to compare it to my experience with the Bible/religion. My whole life I was taught that the most compelling reason that “Jesus” was the “Messiah” was because he fulfilled so many prophecies from the Old Testament. All of the pastors and Bible scholars said so. They had done their research, they were men of God, they dedicated their lives to studying the Bible, who was I to question that? So I went to seminary and learned how to repeat and teach the doctrines. You don’t question it, you learn it, you reaffirm it, you get indoctrinated even deeper with it, you cement your confirmation bias…and then you go and teach others…and they accept it because you’ve now become another “expert”, a “man of God” who shouldn’t be questioned by the lay people who don’t have the education.
But then when you discover that it’s nonsense, you’re kicked out of the club…you’re a heretic, a backslidden heathen that others are warned not to believe. You try to explain what you’ve learned to others, but those in charge make sure that others know you’re no longer a trusted source, you’ve fallen away from the truth, you’re mocked and marginalized.
This is EXACTLY what happens in science today. Those who question the accepted narrative are mocked and marginalized and called “quacks” and “kooks”.
And you know why? Because too many people’s income is threatened if the truth gets out. The system has to stay propped up in order for those who rely on the system to keep benefitting from the system. Most people in the system don’t even realize the lies they’ve accepted and propagate, so don’t hear me saying that “everyone is in on it”. I wasn’t in on it when I was pastoring, but I was under the control of my own confirmation biases and cognitive dissonance.
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And of course I have my HUMAN version of prescribed ivermectin.
BTW, Peru covid & ivermectin. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8383101/
14-fold reductions in excess deaths with IVM use in Peru, then 13-fold increase after IVM restricted
Keep denying it works. We know the jabs don't work otherwise you wouldn't be going back for 3rds.
BTW, Peru covid & ivermectin. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8383101/
14-fold reductions in excess deaths with IVM use in Peru, then 13-fold increase after IVM restricted
Keep denying it works. We know the jabs don't work otherwise you wouldn't be going back for 3rds.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Well I went back for a third because my immune system is compromised. If my doctor recommends some other medication, I’ll take that as well.
CrossEyed2
Footballguy
There are plenty of pharmaceutical products which turned out to be “crap”. Just look at the number of products that have to be pulled off of the market after they have been approved by the FDA. Every product should be evaluated independently.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Nope. Zero chance. There's as many as 100 million people in the USA that are completely asymptomatic. Why would I put that crap in me when I can get treatment? Quit buying into the ridiculous fear pron. I've been around 6 people now that were full blown covid. Face to face with each one. Been to packed, maskless Vegas. Sat at a dinner table in Vegas next to one for well over an hour. Shared a mouse & keyboard with one for 1/2 hour. My brother had it, my 94 year old dad had it. Did not know they had it until their blood tests came back positive for the antibodies. We also have the monoclonal antibody treatment in Free USA, Florida, just in case.
Get healthy, take vitamin C, D3, zinc, quercetin, exercise, eat right and quit going to krispy kreme for your free covid dounts. Get your vitamn D level up to where it should be. Everyone should be having their vitamin D level tested. AND my gawd, quit listening to fauci. I mean, are you not wearing a mask, wearing a mask, wearing 2 masks because that guy can get anything right.
Go get back in line for jab #4. Isreal is prepping to roll that out already. Pretty soon your gonna need a backpack of covid juice and a runnig IV.
There's too much silly here to even respond to.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
For sure. I am asking how someone has made the determination here that X is a bunch of crap but Y is totally fine.
PIK95
Footballguy
CrossEyed2
Footballguy
Well, I can only answer for myself, but I would consider the ingredients of x vs y, the safety record of x vs y, the likelihood of getting ill if I did or didn’t take x vs y, the trials of x vs y, and probably a few other things I’m forgetting right now.
But I realize I’m the exception. I won’t even take something like Tylenol or Aleve unless my discomfort is so great that I can’t function.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Oh, there are a ton of people that do. The White Lotus series on HBO is pretty much mainly about that.
I have the mild version of that, and my wife gets on my case about it sometimes, but if an egregious error has occurred, I want it addressed and I will do whatever it takes to make that so -- only getting argumentative if I face resistance. However, I would never yell at someone for not giving me a shot I didn't yet qualify for.
I can understand why the chain pharmacies have the policy they do -- there is more supply than demand, and there is no evidence (yet) that giving someone a third shot earlier than what guidance suggests causes any serious harm, so it's easier to acquiesce and make the $ than to fight customers about it and risk alienating them permanently.
gianmarco
Footballguy
How do you know what the ingredients are? How do you know the safety record?
You're not actually trusting the list of ingredients, are you? Surely you're actually testing for every ingredient to make sure you can trust what they are listing, right? And how are you trusting the safety?
CrossEyed2
Footballguy
I was answering in the theoretical. I take pretty much zero medications and have pretty much zero trust in the pharmaceutical industry or the government agencies who purport to regulate them.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I am kind of the same way- I don't take OTC medicine unless I am really really sick (which is very rare). Aren't all the COVID drugs and vaccines really new in terms of what they are, how we are using them, etc. Just seems weird to me to say, "I will gladly take ivermctin (or however you spell that) but won't touch a vaccine." I was mostly referring to them. I completely understand on how someone is comfortable taking Benadryl but wouldn't touch some weird branded gas station herbal pills or whatever.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
If/when you get sick one day and require any medication to get you better, let's see if you maintain the same stance and stick to those principles.
CrossEyed2
Footballguy
If you saw my other answer regarding germ theory you’d see that I allow for times when a pharmaceutical product might be necessary. If your bacterial load is so heavy that they are producing a level of toxins that could kill you, it would then be necessary to reduce the amount of toxicity, which would require a reduction in the bacterial load. But ultimately it’s about the toxins, not the bacteria. Bacteria show up to clean up dead and dying things, they aren’t the cause of dead and dying things.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
There is a difference between whether or not the medications work and whether or not people should be on them.
I would say its pretty obvious medications are overprescribed in many cases.
That doesnt mean they dont work as advertised and it doesnt mean they weren't researched heavily.
Have you ever once seen so many highly educated people in the field of medicine stand up in support or something? Not to mention basically every high ranking government official is vaccinated.
I wonder what the average IQ is of the people who want the vaccine vs. the people who dont (no I am not calling YOU stupid for whoever is about to take offense to that).
CrossEyed2
Footballguy
trader jake
Footballguy
Not constructive GG123. It's not a matter of intelligence, it's a matter of motivated reasoning and/or confirmation bias. Plenty of intelligent people rationalize all kinds of decisions they make. Myself included.
At a certain point you just have to let adults make their own decisions and let them live with the consequences. Ideally those decisions wouldn't potentially have adverse effects (like passing Covid along to others) but what else can you do? Influence those close to you when possible, keep discussions factual, and be empathetic. Almost everything else is counterproductive.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
There are also lots of reasons to take medication that have nothing to do with a bacteria or virus. In my life, I've had wonderful experiences with the medical community and drugs. I had surgery twice as a kid and both times was treated really well and the surgeries fixed the problems. I've had all the vaccines, including the brand new Chicken Pox vax. They all worked and there were no side effects. I developed really bad psoriasis in my 20s and Humira has been a life saver. My grandfather had psoriasis as well and was rightfully a miserable ******* because of it. He was covered in red, itchy painful scales. I was clearly headed in that direction but Humira has made me 98% clear and will ultimately add years to my life on top of the quality of life difference.
CrossEyed2
Footballguy
While I certainly cannot prove it on an individual level, my guess is that there is a toxicity, a nutritional deficiency or a stressor that resulted in your psoriasis. The psoriasis was your body’s way of trying to eliminate the problem. When a toxin (which is what pretty much all pharmaceutical products are) is introduced, it doesn’t heal the foundational problem, it simply short-circuits the body’s natural response to it by causing it to deal with a different toxin. It makes the symptom go away, at least for a while, but is ultimately causing other damage in your body.
I find terrain theory vs germ theory to be a fascinating study.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
There is a genetic component and often there are triggers that make it worse (the biggest trigger I have found is cold weather, low humidity and lack of sun. Basically winter). When I was younger I would only get symptoms in the winter and it would clear up in the spring. Humira isn't a toxin though, it's a monoclonal antibody which basically means it is a cloned white blood cell. In this case it is essentially programmed to deactivate proteins in my body that aren't working correctly and cause constant inflammation.CrossEyed2 said:
CrossEyed2
Footballguy
I know that they claim that a lot of things are genetic, but the genome project has been, essentially, a disaster. There’s more and more evidence coming out that genes have nothing to do with it. But with all the money that’s been sunk into gene therapy, I don’t expect that paradigm to die easily.
rockaction
Footballguy
I take back what I said about Cav's thread. This is worse.
CrossEyed2
Footballguy
Nah, it’s pretty easy. I just don’t take pharmaceutical products. Haven’t been to a doctor in about 10 years. And only then because the state forced me to get annual physicals.
PIK95
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
CrossEyed2
Footballguy
Literally, the state of PA required me to get a physical because we were foster parents. No conspiracy theory here.
