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I have not seen that but if true I see your point. I did quote another poster who called him an idiot. Did you report that guy and ask why he is allowed to post?
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Will you get a Covid vaccine when available? (2 Viewers)
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The Commish
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The Commish
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
walgreens allows it...daughter scheduled for saturday morning
Got a Walgreens appointment for my 7 year old. My other son turns 5 next week, and their system won't allow us to schedule an appointment even after his birthday.
I am still checking Rite Aid, because it is much closer and maybe will do the 5 year old. Their site still won't allow kids vaccines.
The answer to your question is yes. Most of what he just posted was in direct opposition to what the CDC just posted about vaccine effectiveness. You can try to be the middle ground here but that dude is just posting the same dreck over and over and 99.9% of it is misinformation. Most of us who want this #### over (and it might have been if it weren’t for the furious anti-vaccine crowd) are tired of the same misinformation posted over and over. Those people have done more way more damage and killed more people than the vaccine has come close to hurting.
The Commish
Footballguy
I have to wait til Feb for my last one...then we are looking at getting to "normal" again.
Doug B
Footballguy
Not every (really, not even all that many) "news sources" need to be meticulously debunked. 90+% of what comes out of reactionary online "news" (to include YouTube, Twitter, social media, etc.) can be summarily dismissed without even a second look.
There is no "secret information that THEY don't want you to know!" That's not how the world works -- it's not shadow conspiracies and BS at every turn.
There is no "secret information that THEY don't want you to know!" That's not how the world works -- it's not shadow conspiracies and BS at every turn.
gianmarco
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Footballguy
Thank you and I certainly understand how and why you feel that way. I agree to some extent but I also don't think the CDC has been transparent or consistent with they information they put out.
Do you think the CDC has been consistent and honest with the public throughout?
I think they’ve been honest, but just like most governmental agencies, they likely aren’t the smartest people on earth. They make mistakes and let’s be honest we didn’t know squat about CV at first. Remember the whole it stays on surfaces forever we need to wipe everything down phase before it was clear that masks were needed since it spread through the air? Trump being president didn’t help at first because let’s be honest he’s got an ego the size of Texas and panders very well to his crowd.
What amazes me the most is that he was #1 behind the vaccines. That was his big thing to avoid mask wearing. Once Biden got elected all of a sudden vaccines were the devil to the people who loved Trump. I still don’t get that and unfortunately it was managed badly and Trump was so against Biden we got the capital riots and we lost that great chance for Trump and Biden to pander to their fans to just get the vaccine.
I don’t know if Trump would have been elected but I wish they announced the vaccines before the election because you know Trump would have beat the vaccine drum so strong and made sure everyone knew it was all his idea. I don’t know if Biden and Democrats, if they lost, would have created the same vaccines aren’t safe on their side to spite Trump.
It’s sad to think that the US did an amazing job creating vaccines that work amazingly well in such a short time (not mRNA tech but this particular virus), but we’ve got people fighting tooth and nail against it because some idiots were able to bend their ears knowing they could make lots of money selling alternative treatments.
Doug B
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The CDC specifically? Honest with the public? Yes, I think so.
Keep in mind that the FDA, the CDC, the NIH, Dr. Fauci speaking personally, CDC head Dr. Wollensky speaking personally, etc. ... they're not always singing from the same hymn book.
No administrative body has been able to be "consistent" because the science has changed many times from February 2020 through to the present. And there will be more changes coming. We shouldn't demand consistency -- we should demand guidance based on best information available right this second, even if it diverges from yesterday's best information.
massraider
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gianmarco
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And let me get this straight…..
-if you have the vaccine you can still get it, transmit it, but you just more than likely won’t die from it.
-if you don’t have the vaccine you can get it, you can transmit it, and you might die from it.
How again is the small minority of people not getting the vaccine stopping the world from going back to normal?
Also, it seems to me that a large percentage of the folks not getting vax’d are already out here living their lives or complaining that they want to go back to normal, correct?
AAABatteries
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I have the guy on ignore so unless folks quote him, he's not really posting on my version of FBGs - but I do know that that account has posted false information and conspiracy theory sites early on - things that were verified to be false. He also was pretty confrontational and calling a bunch of folks names. I don't think I ever reported him - maybe - but tbh he's not trying to present a reasoned account of alternate views like some are trying to do.
Pip's Invitation
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ETA - please excuse some grammatical errors and misspellings due to me doing most of this voice to text….
all fair points and what you say makes sense however I think you can also agree they’re going back-and-forth does lead some people to question whether or not the CDC guidelines are the best thing to adhere to. You yourself said it, government agencies aren’t exactly the smartest group of people.
Seems perfectly reasonable to be somewhat skeptical of what we’re being told. My grandfather would always warn us to never trust the government because he served and worked for them his entire life.
Again, I was pretty much first in line for the vaccine, I will consider a booster, but I am 100% not getting annual shots.
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AAABatteries
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Yeah - I think the CDC is like most government agencies - inept. But the idea that it's some big conspiracy if offbase, IMO. They've definitely made (and probably continue to make) mistakes - but for me, I would want any entity - doctor, hospital, medical association, etc. to change with the science. The problem is people used to accept that science changes (sometimes quickly) but now they want to assume something nefarious when there's nothing there.
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Footballguy
putting somebody on ignore is perfectly reasonable.
asking somebody to be censored on a public forum seems very shortsighted, dumb, and in some cases hypocritical.
If somebody post incorrect information, ask him about it and called him out on it so other people can see that. Censoring people just sweeps it under the rug and if what you say is true they will just go elsewhere to spread misinformation.
BeTheMatch
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Makes you wonder why he's just allowed to keep posting here, doesn't it? He gets slaps on the wrist every once in a while, and that's it. Then he's back here posting stuff that could get someone killed.
gianmarco
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This has been discussed ad nauseam, but will answer again.
1. More vaccinations decreases overall spread. You are less likely to get, have symptoms, and transmit it if vaccinated.. So, if 90+% of the population gets vaccinated, this thing ends or gets very close to that.
2. Covid illness is a HUGE medical burden. It is taking up beds and resources that are affecting non Covid illness. Elective cases get bumped. Beds not available. Burnout. The list goes on.
3. Not everyone can get vaccinated. Community protection as a result.
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fatness
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42% of the people in the US are not fully vaccinated as of October 29, 2021. It's not a small minority.
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AAABatteries
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Depends on what you mean by censor - but I would definitely agree that if there's legitimate debate to be had that opposing views shouldn't be censored but in this case based on what I saw a year+ ago, that wasn't what was going on. I'm sure the mods don't have time to research these things - I will say that if that user got a TO it was most likely due to his posting style and name calling and not the content
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AAABatteries
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My company, as a government contractor, apparently has a deadline to have employees vaxxed or exemptions submitted. There's been questions about whether folks will be fired if they do neither and right now the answer has been a little wishy-washy. Basically saying that's the deadline but they expect a grace period - they have said they expect a hard deadline at some point, insinuating that folks that don't comply will be fired. Should be interesting. I've triple vaxxed - LOOK AT ME! - so nothing to worry about but we are a large company so I'm sure there's bound to be some that will either leave or make the company fire them.
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So let’s say I wasn’t vaccinated….
1) What is the first adjective that you would use to describe me?
2) Lets say that I kept an open mind, looked at all the facts and ultimately decided that I still did not want to get the vaccine. What would you say to me? How would you feel about me?
1) What is the first adjective that you would use to describe me?
2) Lets say that I kept an open mind, looked at all the facts and ultimately decided that I still did not want to get the vaccine. What would you say to me? How would you feel about me?
AAABatteries
Footballguy
1. Either unnecessary risk-taker or misinformed
2. I personally don't think you can look at the facts and then conclude that it's not in your and others best interest for you to get it UNLESS you have a medical reason not to. However, I'm still more in the camp of the government not having mandates for all. Employers, business, limiting what you can do, incentives, etc. - I'm in favor of all of that. But if you are a hermit in Montana that doesn't want the vaccine I don't think anybody should hold you down and give you the vaccine.
HOWEVER, and I pointed this out before - I truly feel like almost all of us would be in favor of vaccine mandates if the virus/disease in question was bad enough. I said before that I'm of the opinion that Covid almost threaded the needle for being just deadly enough to really screw over almost everyone while not being deadly enough to really force the hands of most governments. It's almost like it knew how deadly it needed to be to kill an "optimal" amount of people. I think if the IFR was 5x, 10, 20x higher people wouldn't debate mandates. Just my 2 cents.
fatness
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One thing COVID has really illustrated is the different tolerances different countries have for numbers/rates of deaths.
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Footballguy
Thank you very very much for your honest, thorough and reasonable answer. I don’t think you said anything that I disagree with.
Doug B
Footballguy
Lacks nuance -- aspects of infection and transmission are well different between vaccinated people and unvaccinated. It's not like spread is identical between both both groups.
Use of the verb "can" here is disingenuous, because it puts forth a false dichotomy -- either that vaccines eliminate all infection and spread or else they have no meaningful effect at all. There's not only those two ends in play -- not nearly.
Doug B
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Sorry about that, you’re correct. That was AAA batteries. Initially had both of you quoted and responded to each but this stupid message board mucked it all up.
Ignoratio Elenchi
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Depends why you didn't get the vaccine. Some people can't. Some people refuse to because they think Bill Gates will read their minds. There's a wide spectrum of reasons for people not to get a vaccine.
I would ask why you prefer to "look at all the facts" (whatever that means) and make that kind of decision, as opposed to asking someone like your doctor who trained for many years to help make those types of decisions. I'd ask, what qualifications do you have to read and interpret medical literature? What facts did you look at that convinced you not to get the vaccine? How I feel about you would depend on your answers to those questions, but if you're anything like the handful of people I know in real life who graduated from the College of Haircuttery and now like to "do their own research" on these kinds of matters, I'd have a pretty low opinion.
foxco
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This is an interesting point and I'd be curious to hear someone who's against vaccine mandates weight in. Say the virus is 20x as deadly and especially lethal to children, in this scenario would you still feel exactly the same way about mandates? Don't know that there's a right answer here, just curious as to what people perceive as the tipping point.
Doug B
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And that figure, going by the link, is not age-adjusted. Strip out the 11-and-under population that just got approved for the vaccination, and it's probably more like 35-36% haven't been fully vaccinated. Over 17s, might be 32-33%
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You would ask me why I want to look at the facts, “whatever that means”?Depends why you didn't get the vaccine. Some people can't. Some people refuse to because they think Bill Gates will read their minds. There's a wide spectrum of reasons for people not to get a vaccine.
I would ask why you prefer to "look at all the facts" (whatever that means) and make that kind of decision, as opposed to asking someone like your doctor who trained for many years to help make those types of decisions. I'd ask, what qualifications do you have to read and interpret medical literature? What facts did you look at that convinced you not to get the vaccine? How I feel about you would depend on your answers to those questions, but if you're anything like the handful of people I know in real life who graduated from the College of Haircuttery and now like to "do their own research" on these kinds of matters, I'd have a pretty low opinion.
In my lifetime I have had unreasonably high interactions with doctors and I don’t find all of them to be competent just because they graduated college and watched an older doctor for a few months. A handful of them are truly talented individuals and more than a handful are dopes. Pretty much like any profession.
Ignoratio Elenchi
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Of course. What do you mean when you say you would "look at all the facts" about the COVID vaccines?
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I would do what I did prior to getting the vaccine, look at all the facts about the Covid vaccine.
I’m not going to invalidate peoples opinions or thought process because they didn’t graduate from a college that you find acceptable, Judgy-McJudgyson.
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Ignoratio Elenchi
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Cool, we get it - you think everyone is capable of properly doing medical research for themselves on the internet. I don't, for obvious reasons.
We all make judgments about people all the time for all different reasons. In this case, it just so happens that of the handful of people I know in real life who prefer to "do their own research," none of them were any good in school or pursued any kind of secondary education that would make them qualified to do such research. But it's possible that's purely a coincidence and I'm being too judgy. I'm comfortable with my assessment of the situation.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
There's bound to be a good many that will "say" they will leave and/or make the company fire them. But at the end of the day, its mostly all talk. Need to just keep calling their bluff.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Even better, my city announced a clinic for 5-11 year olds on Friday, and I was able to sign up for that. (For clarity, for my son.
)Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I don’t know you at all, so let’s use my unvaccinated cousin as an example.
1) moron. That’s the first adjective that comes to mind when I think of her, in this case specific to being unvaccinated.
2) I’ve asked what “research” my cousin did. (Which I know involves FB posts and text messages from her brother, who is also a moron). I’ve asked her what specifically makes her not want to get vaccinated. I’ve asked what information / facts she has about vaccines that tell her not to get vaccinated. In terms of how I feel about her, I feel disappointed and embarrassed to be related to a moron. I’m also worried about both her and her brother, because even though they actually are morons who are easy to mislead with propaganda, I care about them as humans and cousins and don’t want them to die.
Note: none of the above is directed at you or anyone else, because I don’t know anyone else’s situation.
AAABatteries
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Agree, I don't see any reason to discuss a grace period - but due to the size of our company, I have zero doubt there will be some people willing to leave.
CletiusMaximus
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