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WIS 2012: Back to the Future II - Draft and Season Thread (2 Viewers)

CF Weeks/Cain

SS Starlin Castro

OF/UT Emilio Bonificio

2B Rickie Weeks

1B ????

3B Jed Lowrie

CA Jesus Montero

OF ????

SP Justin Verlander

SP Yovani Gallardo

SP Brandon McCarthy

CL John Axford

depending on how Cain does and if he gets enough PAs, he might just lead off himself, maybe play Nyjer at #9 to maximize his PAs, although since he's really only valuable against pitchers from the right side, I don't really need to do that... I'll probably just find a different platoon partner...

I should have really good D in the outfield, not as good in the infield...
:lmao:
what?I mean, yeah, i spelled it wrong (Bonifacio, sorry)... But he's the starting CF for the Marlins... and, if his career is any indication, he could get playing time at 2B, SS, and 3B when those guys miss some games... I'm hoping he does (as he'd then be my backup, as of now, at those spots)...

last year he played 63 games total in the OF and he had A-/D defense in WIS... this year being the starting CF he should have better range and I don't see why he would suddenly stop being able to catch the ball...
Your batting order is ridiculous. So I laughed. ha ha
 
CF Weeks/Cain

SS Starlin Castro

OF/UT Emilio Bonificio

2B Rickie Weeks

1B ????

3B Jed Lowrie

CA Jesus Montero

OF ????

SP Justin Verlander

SP Yovani Gallardo

SP Brandon McCarthy

CL John Axford

depending on how Cain does and if he gets enough PAs, he might just lead off himself, maybe play Nyjer at #9 to maximize his PAs, although since he's really only valuable against pitchers from the right side, I don't really need to do that... I'll probably just find a different platoon partner...

I should have really good D in the outfield, not as good in the infield...
:lmao:
what?I mean, yeah, i spelled it wrong (Bonifacio, sorry)... But he's the starting CF for the Marlins... and, if his career is any indication, he could get playing time at 2B, SS, and 3B when those guys miss some games... I'm hoping he does (as he'd then be my backup, as of now, at those spots)...

last year he played 63 games total in the OF and he had A-/D defense in WIS... this year being the starting CF he should have better range and I don't see why he would suddenly stop being able to catch the ball...
Think it's the fact that you have him hitting 3rd is what's garnering the lol's
yeah, i realized that when I looked him up...I was just kind of throwing stuff at the wall, i know I would want him high (he has a pretty good OBP and good speed), but obviously 3 is not preferable... so, like I said, I'd probably swap him and Castro if everyone does what I think they will...

 
CF Weeks/Cain

SS Starlin Castro

OF/UT Emilio Bonificio

2B Rickie Weeks

1B ????

3B Jed Lowrie

CA Jesus Montero

OF ????

SP Justin Verlander

SP Yovani Gallardo

SP Brandon McCarthy

CL John Axford

depending on how Cain does and if he gets enough PAs, he might just lead off himself, maybe play Nyjer at #9 to maximize his PAs, although since he's really only valuable against pitchers from the right side, I don't really need to do that... I'll probably just find a different platoon partner...

I should have really good D in the outfield, not as good in the infield...
:lmao:
:lmao: at bold italics for position in lineup...far down from the legendary Bonifacio.
Montero might end up higher, but that depends on PAs...and, yeah, you're right, Bonifacio would probably be my #2 or #1 hitter, not my #3, so swap him and Castro...
I drafted Bonifacio at 28.19 last year and he ended up as one of my most valuable players. I punted SS with Miguel Tejada & Paul "Rhymes with Honus" Janisch so Bonifacio filled a huge need with decent production and lots of PAs.His BABIP was abnormally high last year (.372) so I think he's a big regression to the mean guy for 2012.

 
OK RMT3B Hanley (SS if I can get away w/ it. Reyes isn't exactly Cal Ripken III)
Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen said Thursday that Hanley Ramirez will remain at third base if Jose Reyes misses time due to injury."I’m not going to play with Hanley’s mind," said Guillen. If Reyes gets hurt or is unable to play at some point, Emilio Bonifacio would likely fill in for him at shortstop.
 
11.18 Bogart - OTC Clock up @ XX:09

11.19 Arsenal

11.20 SpartansRules

11.21 DougB

11.22 DocDeGreco

11.23 TRE

11.24 SoCalBroncoFan

 
11.19 Jon Jay OF

Here's how I think things stand now:

1 - Jon Jay CF

2 - Jason Kipnis 2B

3 - Carlos Beltran LF

4 - Mike Stanton RF

5 - Ike Davis 1B

6 - J.J. Hardy SS

7 - Ramon Hernandez C

8 -

SP 1 - C.C. Sabathia

SP 2 - Ian Kennedy

SP 3/RP - Neftali Feliz

SP 4/RP - Daniel Bard

Lot of question marks, total boom/bust team at this point IMO

 
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I'm surprised at the amount of guys from my team last year drafted already...Ryan BraunRickie WeeksBilly ButlerLucas DudaCoCo CrispJosh WillinghamJohn AxfordJordan ZimmermannDaniel HudsonJake PeavyEric BedardJosh TomlinRafael Furcalalthough, the only ones that I don't understand are Bedard and Furcal... plus if Martinez wouldn't be out for the year, he'd have been drafted already as well...
A lot of my later-round picks and acquisitions have already gone this yearBautista, Zorilla, Felix, Santana, Fowler, Span, Joyce, Tomlin, Nova, Floyd, Gaby, Kenley, Lind, J Montero, SaleI guess that's only 15, and we're in round 11, so not THAT many.
 
OK RMT3B Hanley (SS if I can get away w/ it. Reyes isn't exactly Cal Ripken III)
Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen said Thursday that Hanley Ramirez will remain at third base if Jose Reyes misses time due to injury."I’m not going to play with Hanley’s mind," said Guillen. If Reyes gets hurt or is unable to play at some point, Emilio Bonifacio would likely fill in for him at shortstop.
Exactly what happened when the Yankees got A-Rod in 05, so I'm not surprised.
 
OK RMT3B Hanley (SS if I can get away w/ it. Reyes isn't exactly Cal Ripken III)
Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen said Thursday that Hanley Ramirez will remain at third base if Jose Reyes misses time due to injury."I’m not going to play with Hanley’s mind," said Guillen. If Reyes gets hurt or is unable to play at some point, Emilio Bonifacio would likely fill in for him at shortstop.
Exactly what happened when the Yankees got A-Rod in 05, so I'm not surprised.
It's a long season and neither Ozzie or Hanley are the most stable individuals. Also, if you look at the Marlins' 40 man, I think they have better backup options at 3B than CF.
 
OK RMT

3B Hanley (SS if I can get away w/ it. Reyes isn't exactly Cal Ripken III)
Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen said Thursday that Hanley Ramirez will remain at third base if Jose Reyes misses time due to injury."I’m not going to play with Hanley’s mind," said Guillen. If Reyes gets hurt or is unable to play at some point, Emilio Bonifacio would likely fill in for him at shortstop.
Exactly what happened when the Yankees got A-Rod in 05, so I'm not surprised.
It's a long season and neither Ozzie or Hanley are the most stable individuals. Also, if you look at the Marlins' 40 man, I think they have better backup options at 3B than CF.
:bowtie:
 
OK RMT3B Hanley (SS if I can get away w/ it. Reyes isn't exactly Cal Ripken III)
Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen said Thursday that Hanley Ramirez will remain at third base if Jose Reyes misses time due to injury."I’m not going to play with Hanley’s mind," said Guillen. If Reyes gets hurt or is unable to play at some point, Emilio Bonifacio would likely fill in for him at shortstop.
Exactly what happened when the Yankees got A-Rod in 05, so I'm not surprised.
It's a long season and neither Ozzie or Hanley are the most stable individuals. Also, if you look at the Marlins' 40 man, I think they have better backup options at 3B than CF.
This is Ozzie we are talking about. You cant use terms like logic, sanity or reason. Hell, he might play Logan Morrison at SS just to punish him for Tweeting too much.
 
Sure, why not:1 De Aza, Alejandro OF2 Prado, Martin 3B3 Gonzalez, Adrian 1B4 Avila, Alex C5 Duda, Lucas OF6 Francoeur, Jeff OF7 Aybar, Erick SS SP1 Price, David SPSP2 Pineda, Michael SPCL Papelbon, Jonathan RP...A lot of fluidity here, of course. Aybar could hit earlier in the order if he has a return to his 2009 numbers, but that might have been an aberration. Prado should again qualify at 3B, as Chipper Jones should skip a sufficent number of starts. That's not in stone either -- Prado could just as well end up in my OF.
Playing a guy with C+ or C range in CF is good for 10-15 minus plays, and it gets worse from there. Maybe ADA will be better than I think but I'm guessing you still need to draft a CF. Pineda is going to give up 40 HRs in Yankee Stadium (though he could still have a good WHIP and decent ERA, the sim will magnify his HR issues). I do like Price, Duda, Aybar, Avila and Gonzalez. And I think Paps will be a monster. So I'd say this group is OK, with a couple of glaring issues (and still needing a lot of SPs)
Had no idea that CFs got bumps in WIS sim defensive range ratings. So, in general, great-fielding RFs and LFs just top out at C+ range or something? Didn't really think WIS range factor was that directly a reflection of # of putouts.As for Pineda's home runs allowed: his 2011 HR/9 rate actually dropped away from Safeco (9 HRs in 12 starts/77 IP at home, 9 HRs in 16 starts/94 IP away). Also, no Yankees pitcher has allowed more than 32 HRs in a season over the last five seasons -- even one starter who had a notable recent dumpster-fire campaign "only" allowed 31. Why would Pineda give up so many more? Allowing 40 HRs in a season has only been done 23 times in MLB history ... not seeing the stats that indicate Pineda will blow up that badly.
 
i'm thinking:

dee gordon, ss

pedroia, 2b

carlos santana, c

konerko, 1b

rasmus, cf

aramis ramirez, 3b

markakis, rf

tabata, lf

if gordon craps out in obp, would move markakis to 2 and pedroia to 1 - gordon to 8th.

pitching is teh issue:

bud norris

clay buchholz

david robertson

 
Sure, why not:1 De Aza, Alejandro OF2 Prado, Martin 3B3 Gonzalez, Adrian 1B4 Avila, Alex C5 Duda, Lucas OF6 Francoeur, Jeff OF7 Aybar, Erick SS SP1 Price, David SPSP2 Pineda, Michael SPCL Papelbon, Jonathan RP...A lot of fluidity here, of course. Aybar could hit earlier in the order if he has a return to his 2009 numbers, but that might have been an aberration. Prado should again qualify at 3B, as Chipper Jones should skip a sufficent number of starts. That's not in stone either -- Prado could just as well end up in my OF.
Playing a guy with C+ or C range in CF is good for 10-15 minus plays, and it gets worse from there. Maybe ADA will be better than I think but I'm guessing you still need to draft a CF. Pineda is going to give up 40 HRs in Yankee Stadium (though he could still have a good WHIP and decent ERA, the sim will magnify his HR issues). I do like Price, Duda, Aybar, Avila and Gonzalez. And I think Paps will be a monster. So I'd say this group is OK, with a couple of glaring issues (and still needing a lot of SPs)
Had no idea that CFs got bumps in WIS sim defensive range ratings. So, in general, great-fielding RFs and LFs just top out at C+ range or something? Didn't really think WIS range factor was that directly a reflection of # of putouts.As for Pineda's home runs allowed: his 2011 HR/9 rate actually dropped away from Safeco (9 HRs in 12 starts/77 IP at home, 9 HRs in 16 starts/94 IP away). Also, no Yankees pitcher has allowed more than 32 HRs in a season over the last five seasons -- even one starter who had a notable recent dumpster-fire campaign "only" allowed 31. Why would Pineda give up so many more? Allowing 40 HRs in a season has only been done 23 times in MLB history ... not seeing the stats that indicate Pineda will blow up that badly.
Range is based on RF/G - the league avg for OF last year was 2.15 but by the position it broke down this way:CF - 2.54RF - 2.04LF - 1.87So CFs should typically do better.
 
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Let's go, Slowgart.
Sorry, about that. On phone with lawyer and soon to be ex-wife. Good times.
sorry to hear that. on a related note, keep me in mind if you have a house to sell. moving your way this summer, most likely. looking first at Aledo, but also considering Keller
Sorry, no house to sell, but I highly recommend Keller and be sure to let me know when you get into town. Ranger game and some :banned: :banned:
on phone with lawyer and soon to be ex-wife. Good times.
Finally came to that huh. I followed that thread, life goes on GB. :banned:
Thanks. Long process, out of the house since October. Filed last week. Divorce will be final Apr 15th if everything goes according to plan.
 
Sure, why not:1 De Aza, Alejandro OF2 Prado, Martin 3B3 Gonzalez, Adrian 1B4 Avila, Alex C5 Duda, Lucas OF6 Francoeur, Jeff OF7 Aybar, Erick SS SP1 Price, David SPSP2 Pineda, Michael SPCL Papelbon, Jonathan RP...A lot of fluidity here, of course. Aybar could hit earlier in the order if he has a return to his 2009 numbers, but that might have been an aberration. Prado should again qualify at 3B, as Chipper Jones should skip a sufficent number of starts. That's not in stone either -- Prado could just as well end up in my OF.
Playing a guy with C+ or C range in CF is good for 10-15 minus plays, and it gets worse from there. Maybe ADA will be better than I think but I'm guessing you still need to draft a CF. Pineda is going to give up 40 HRs in Yankee Stadium (though he could still have a good WHIP and decent ERA, the sim will magnify his HR issues). I do like Price, Duda, Aybar, Avila and Gonzalez. And I think Paps will be a monster. So I'd say this group is OK, with a couple of glaring issues (and still needing a lot of SPs)
Had no idea that CFs got bumps in WIS sim defensive range ratings. So, in general, great-fielding RFs and LFs just top out at C+ range or something? Didn't really think WIS range factor was that directly a reflection of # of putouts.As for Pineda's home runs allowed: his 2011 HR/9 rate actually dropped away from Safeco (9 HRs in 12 starts/77 IP at home, 9 HRs in 16 starts/94 IP away). Also, no Yankees pitcher has allowed more than 32 HRs in a season over the last five seasons -- even one starter who had a notable recent dumpster-fire campaign "only" allowed 31. Why would Pineda give up so many more? Allowing 40 HRs in a season has only been done 23 times in MLB history ... not seeing the stats that indicate Pineda will blow up that badly.
I think it's going to take Pineda some time to get used to pitching in Yankee Stadium. I do think he'll be fine in the long run but he pitches up in the zone a lot. Particularly with modern pitchers posting 7 or 8 K/9, there aren't as many chances for outfielders. So a team might have both of their corner outfielders with D range and their CF with B range. There are even some teams who end up with no outfielders above C range. WIS doesn't use UZR or any other fancy metrics - just RF/G. So a guy on a high-K team will have terrible range even if he plays all the time in CF (Victorino was A+/B last year for the Phils)
 
I really hate my team:

Kinsler - 2B

Zimmerman - 3B

Braun - OF

Pence - OF

Jones - OF

Lind - 1B

Saltalamacchia - C

Rodriguez - SS

SP - Jimenez

SP - Minor

CL - Rivera

I feel like I have Kinsler, than a big group of number 5 or 6 hitters, except for Rodriguez.

My pitching is going to completely SUCK. Will I never learn?

 
Sure, why not:1 De Aza, Alejandro OF2 Prado, Martin 3B3 Gonzalez, Adrian 1B4 Avila, Alex C5 Duda, Lucas OF6 Francoeur, Jeff OF7 Aybar, Erick SS SP1 Price, David SPSP2 Pineda, Michael SPCL Papelbon, Jonathan RP...A lot of fluidity here, of course. Aybar could hit earlier in the order if he has a return to his 2009 numbers, but that might have been an aberration. Prado should again qualify at 3B, as Chipper Jones should skip a sufficent number of starts. That's not in stone either -- Prado could just as well end up in my OF.
Playing a guy with C+ or C range in CF is good for 10-15 minus plays, and it gets worse from there. Maybe ADA will be better than I think but I'm guessing you still need to draft a CF. Pineda is going to give up 40 HRs in Yankee Stadium (though he could still have a good WHIP and decent ERA, the sim will magnify his HR issues). I do like Price, Duda, Aybar, Avila and Gonzalez. And I think Paps will be a monster. So I'd say this group is OK, with a couple of glaring issues (and still needing a lot of SPs)
Had no idea that CFs got bumps in WIS sim defensive range ratings. So, in general, great-fielding RFs and LFs just top out at C+ range or something? Didn't really think WIS range factor was that directly a reflection of # of putouts.As for Pineda's home runs allowed: his 2011 HR/9 rate actually dropped away from Safeco (9 HRs in 12 starts/77 IP at home, 9 HRs in 16 starts/94 IP away). Also, no Yankees pitcher has allowed more than 32 HRs in a season over the last five seasons -- even one starter who had a notable recent dumpster-fire campaign "only" allowed 31. Why would Pineda give up so many more? Allowing 40 HRs in a season has only been done 23 times in MLB history ... not seeing the stats that indicate Pineda will blow up that badly.
I think it's going to take Pineda some time to get used to pitching in Yankee Stadium. I do think he'll be fine in the long run but he pitches up in the zone a lot. Particularly with modern pitchers posting 7 or 8 K/9, there aren't as many chances for outfielders. So a team might have both of their corner outfielders with D range and their CF with B range. There are even some teams who end up with no outfielders above C range. WIS doesn't use UZR or any other fancy metrics - just RF/G. So a guy on a high-K team will have terrible range even if he plays all the time in CF (Victorino was A+/B last year for the Phils)
Fielding ratings are one of the biggest problems with the sim. WIS falls back to the argument that they don't have good fielding data for historical players (even something as simple as innings played at a position), so they use a lowest common denominator approach for modern players. It's not really a big problem for large draft pools because you have more options for choosing defense In a league like this, it doesn't take a lot to end up with crap range at a few key positions.
 
Particularly with modern pitchers posting 7 or 8 K/9, there aren't as many chances for outfielders. So a team might have both of their corner outfielders with D range and their CF with B range. There are even some teams who end up with no outfielders above C range. WIS doesn't use UZR or any other fancy metrics - just RF/G. So a guy on a high-K team will have terrible range even if he plays all the time in CF (Victorino was A+/B last year for the Phils)
I was aware that the WIS sim ignored the Speed rating when calculating the Defensive Range rating, but: I still can't believe that fleet-footed guys don't get a nice bump in what they're happy to call "range". "Range" as in covering ground, getting on their horse, etc.
 
11.23 - Edwin Encarnacion, Bad at: OF, 3B, 1B

Kind of a poor man's Trumbo that doesn't strike out as much. I was hoping for both of these sleds.

 
I really hate my team:Kinsler - 2BZimmerman - 3BBraun - OFPence - OF Jones - OFLind - 1BSaltalamacchia - CRodriguez - SSSP - JimenezSP - MinorCL - RiveraI feel like I have Kinsler, than a big group of number 5 or 6 hitters, except for Rodriguez.My pitching is going to completely SUCK. Will I never learn?
Where the hell are all the Rangers?
 
Particularly with modern pitchers posting 7 or 8 K/9, there aren't as many chances for outfielders. So a team might have both of their corner outfielders with D range and their CF with B range. There are even some teams who end up with no outfielders above C range. WIS doesn't use UZR or any other fancy metrics - just RF/G. So a guy on a high-K team will have terrible range even if he plays all the time in CF (Victorino was A+/B last year for the Phils)
I was aware that the WIS sim ignored the Speed rating when calculating the Defensive Range rating, but: I still can't believe that fleet-footed guys don't get a nice bump in what they're happy to call "range". "Range" as in covering ground, getting on their horse, etc.
The prosecution would like to call its first witness. Would Lonnie Smith please take the stand?
 
11.23 - Edwin Encarnacion, Bad at: OF, 3B, 1B

Kind of a poor man's Trumbo that doesn't strike out as much. I was hoping for both of these sleds.
I was hoping E5 would make it back to me. 30 HR potential.
Yeah, lineup needs some pop:1. Shane Victorino, CF

2. Carl Crawford, LF

3. Logan Morrison, RF

4. Edwin Encarnacion, 1B-3B

5. ?? 1B-3B

6. Stephen Drew, SS

7. Chris Iannetta, C

8. Aaron Hill, 2B

SP1 - Tim Lincecum

SP2 - Zack Greinke

SP3 - Daniel Hudson

SP4 - Colby Lewis

RP - Heath Bell

 
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11.24 JD Martinez OF

Hoping for a .335 OBP with some decent pop.

12.01 Huston Street RP

Solid numbers while pitching for the Rockies, should get even better pitching in Petco.

 
I really hate my team:Kinsler - 2BZimmerman - 3BBraun - OFPence - OF Jones - OFLind - 1BSaltalamacchia - CRodriguez - SSSP - JimenezSP - MinorCL - RiveraI feel like I have Kinsler, than a big group of number 5 or 6 hitters, except for Rodriguez.My pitching is going to completely SUCK. Will I never learn?
Where the hell are all the Rangers?
They all got drafted out from under me. I can't believe the entire starting rotation is gone, and 6 or 7 (which Murphy??) of the position players are gone. That was the easy play for me in the past when my list ran out, start drafting Rangers. Can't do that anymore.
 
RT @trenni: According to @karlravechespn the Braun decision is imminent and will come down today. We will keep you posted...

 
I really hate my team:Kinsler - 2BZimmerman - 3BBraun - OFPence - OF Jones - OFLind - 1BSaltalamacchia - CRodriguez - SSSP - JimenezSP - MinorCL - RiveraI feel like I have Kinsler, than a big group of number 5 or 6 hitters, except for Rodriguez.My pitching is going to completely SUCK. Will I never learn?
Where the hell are all the Rangers?
They all got drafted out from under me. I can't believe the entire starting rotation is gone, and 6 or 7 (which Murphy??) of the position players are gone. That was the easy play for me in the past when my list ran out, start drafting Rangers. Can't do that anymore.
SCBF posted a lineup with Murphy at 2B, confirming that he did indeed mean to take Daniel.
 

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