World's Greatest Draft (2 Viewers)

[timschochet]

What we do know is that a huge percentage of the entire world still believe in the teachings of Jesus 2,000 years after his death.

Good morning. Once again, I have to point out that this is not only inaccurate, the fact that it's inaccurate has great bearing on whether or not this pick really deserves the high praise it's getting.

Earlier, I posted the essence, as summarized by Wikipedia, of Jesus' Sermons on the Mount and Plains. Very little of it has ever been practiced by human beings. What is practiced instead is a series of beliefs about Jesus, rather than from Jesus. These practices, which comprise the religion of Christianity, was set up by other people years after the death of Jesus Christ. That does not mean these other people should have been selected in front of Jesus- Jesus is clearly the most important person with regard to Christianity. But these facts do subtract from his overall importance with regard to the top people on this list.

For instance, since Jesus' teachings have not been practiced, how do we measure him against some scientists and thinkers, the greatest ones, whose teachings HAVE been practiced and have led to tangible and measurable advancement of mankind?

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

I'm going to be another to pile on Mario Kart here.

I had Sun Tzu pegged for the 4th round.

Jesus & Shakespeare were in my top 6.

I don't think Jesus is the clear No.1. He's definite top 3

My No.1 is still on the board

 

[FUBAR]

Well that's great. As soon as I saw I had the #4 pick I was hoping either Jesus or Shakespeare would fall to me.

Now the pick may take a few minutes to figure out.

 

[AcerFC]

What happened to this starting Monday. I will try to be ready when I am up

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

[and the only way I could see an argument against Jesus as #1 is if you think a category that isn't as deep has a clear cut #1 in it... because Jesus is BY FAR the clearcut #1 religious figure...

No, I really don't think he is, and that is the reason I asked the questions I did. If you remove the theological aspect from the discussion, Jesus may not be the most important person in the history of Christianity. Even if you DO accept that Jesus is God, Christianity still has more than one extremely important person. Other religions, OTOH, really only have one person. So I think a very good argument can be made that you are incorrect here.

but without Jesus, that other person wouldn't have ever done anything... if anything Jesus diminishes the other person, not the other way around...without Jesus, Christianity doesn't exist... Without that other person, it still exists...

if the other person would defer the spot to Jesus (and he would), I think Jesus is #1...

There are many other religions than Christianity. And, those religions have had as much or more impact on the world than Christianity has.

all the great world powers since 300 AD have been Christian...

Rome was after that point, England has always been, France & Germany until recently... the Holy Roman Empire, the Eastern Roman Empire... the US...

all nations that either were (mostly) literally Christian nations with laws regarding Christianity being the official state religion, or nations comprised mostly of Christians with Christian morals and ideals in mind...

Without spotlighting that statement is ignorant in the extreme.If you are going to be this clueless throughout the draft I'll have to ignore your posts for my own sanity

 

[timschochet]

What do the first three picks have in common? The answer is, we're not sure ANY of them actually existed.

Basically, all we've got on Sun Tzu is The Art of War. Modern scholars are skeptical that any such person existed (which makes Mario's placement of him as "leader" rather baffling to me.)

As everyone knows, Jesus' life is related in the Gospels, but nowhere else. It is generally now believed that Josephus' references to Jesus were inserted by Christian editors after his death, since they don't seem to match the style of his other writings.

Many modern day scholars believe that William Shakespeare's plays were actually written by Edward de Vere, the Earl of Oxford.

 

[timschochet]

What happened to this starting Monday. I will try to be ready when I am up

There's no clock. You don't need to be ready until Monday.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

What happened to this starting Monday. I will try to be ready when I am up

There is no clock until Monday.Big difference.No pressure, when it's your pick, take your time, deliberate and think.But hurry up the next person wants to pick.

 

[Death Bytes]

What we do know is that a huge percentage of the entire world still believe in the teachings of Jesus 2,000 years after his death.

Good morning. Once again, I have to point out that this is not only inaccurate, the fact that it's inaccurate has great bearing on whether or not this pick really deserves the high praise it's getting.

Earlier, I posted the essence, as summarized by Wikipedia, of Jesus' Sermons on the Mount and Plains. Very little of it has ever been practiced by human beings. What is practiced instead is a series of beliefs about Jesus, rather than from Jesus. These practices, which comprise the religion of Christianity, was set up by other people years after the death of Jesus Christ. That does not mean these other people should have been selected in front of Jesus- Jesus is clearly the most important person with regard to Christianity. But these facts do subtract from his overall importance with regard to the top people on this list.

For instance, since Jesus' teachings have not been practiced, how do we measure him against some scientists and thinkers, the greatest ones, whose teachings HAVE been practiced and have led to tangible and measurable advancement of mankind?

Not that I really care much at all about this draft, or for LarryBoy's potential to compete in it.... but WOW!!!!!

This would be like saying that a president shouldn't get credit for what the country did under his leadership because they didn't implement his vision exactly as he wanted it executed.

 

[timschochet]

What we do know is that a huge percentage of the entire world still believe in the teachings of Jesus 2,000 years after his death.

Good morning. Once again, I have to point out that this is not only inaccurate, the fact that it's inaccurate has great bearing on whether or not this pick really deserves the high praise it's getting.

Earlier, I posted the essence, as summarized by Wikipedia, of Jesus' Sermons on the Mount and Plains. Very little of it has ever been practiced by human beings. What is practiced instead is a series of beliefs about Jesus, rather than from Jesus. These practices, which comprise the religion of Christianity, was set up by other people years after the death of Jesus Christ. That does not mean these other people should have been selected in front of Jesus- Jesus is clearly the most important person with regard to Christianity. But these facts do subtract from his overall importance with regard to the top people on this list.

For instance, since Jesus' teachings have not been practiced, how do we measure him against some scientists and thinkers, the greatest ones, whose teachings HAVE been practiced and have led to tangible and measurable advancement of mankind?

Not that I really care much at all about this draft, or for LarryBoy's potential to compete in it.... but WOW!!!!!

This would be like saying that a president shouldn't get credit for what the country did under his leadership because they didn't implement his vision exactly as he wanted it executed.

But it's really not the same thing, Death Bytes. Jesus wasn't a president, or any kind of world leader. Certainly as a movement, Christianity is highly influential, perhaps the most influential religious movement ever, though even this is debatable. But how much is Jesus himself to be given credit for the actions of Christianity throughout the centuries? Given what Jesus said in the Gospels, I rather doubt he would WANT to take credit, since so much of what this religion has done is contrary to his teachings.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

What we do know is that a huge percentage of the entire world still believe in the teachings of Jesus 2,000 years after his death.

Good morning. Once again, I have to point out that this is not only inaccurate, the fact that it's inaccurate has great bearing on whether or not this pick really deserves the high praise it's getting.

Earlier, I posted the essence, as summarized by Wikipedia, of Jesus' Sermons on the Mount and Plains. Very little of it has ever been practiced by human beings. What is practiced instead is a series of beliefs about Jesus, rather than from Jesus. These practices, which comprise the religion of Christianity, was set up by other people years after the death of Jesus Christ. That does not mean these other people should have been selected in front of Jesus- Jesus is clearly the most important person with regard to Christianity. But these facts do subtract from his overall importance with regard to the top people on this list.

For instance, since Jesus' teachings have not been practiced, how do we measure him against some scientists and thinkers, the greatest ones, whose teachings HAVE been practiced and have led to tangible and measurable advancement of mankind?

I'm not going to turn this draft into a religious discussion so I'm going to stop myself from responding to your various posts about this pick which to me are so off the wall that we probably could shut the draft down before it got off the ground. I suggest we move slightly away from the actual religious doctrine and who is a true whatever in the context of this draft for the sake of the draft itself.

 

[AcerFC]

Tim, Please see my PM

 

[DCThunder]

I thought this didn't start until Monday. So it's on, then, I guess.

 

[timschochet]

In order to discuss Jesus Christ as a influential person to be compared to other influential people, we must separate out all discussion of his divinity. This concept is known among scholars as the "Historical Jesus". Per Wikipedia, here are some important aspects of the Historical Jesus:

The historical Jesus is the figure of the first-century Jesus of Nazareth as reconstructed by scholars using historical methods that include critical analysis of gospel texts as the primary source for his biography, and non-biblical sources for the historical and cultural context in which he lived. Use of the term "the historical Jesus" implies that the figure thus reconstructed differs from that presented in the teaching of the ecumenical councils ("the dogmatic Christ") and in other Christian accounts ("the Christ of faith").[1]

Though the reconstructions vary, they generally include these basic points: Jesus was a Jewish teacher[2] who attracted a small following of Galileans and, after a period of preaching, was crucified by the Romans in Iudaea Province during the governorship of Pontius Pilate.[3]

The historical Jesus was a Galilean Jew living in a time of messianic and apocalyptic expectations. He was baptized by John the Baptist, and after John was executed, Jesus began his own movement in Galilee. He preached the Kingdom of God, using pithy parables with startling imagery and was renowned as a teacher and a healer. Some scholars credit the apocalyptic declarations that the Gospels attribute to him, while others portray his Kingdom of God as not apocalyptic in nature. He sent his apostles out to heal and to preach the Kingdom of God. Later, he traveled through Samaria to Jerusalem in Judea, where he caused a disturbance at the Temple. It was the time of Passover, when political and religious tensions were high in Jerusalem. Apparently the temple guards (believed to be Sadducees) arrested him and turned him over to Pontius Pilate for execution. The movement he had started survived his death and was carried on by his brother James the Just and the other apostles. It developed into Early Christianity.

Also

The seminar's reconstruction of the historical Jesus portrays him as an itinerant Hellenistic Jewish sage who did not die as a substitute for sinners nor rise from the dead, but preached a "social gospel" in startling parables and aphorisms. An iconoclast, Jesus broke with established Jewish theological dogmas and social conventions both in his teachings and behaviors, often by turning common-sense ideas upside down, confounding the expectations of his audience: He preached of "Heaven's imperial rule" (traditionally translated as "Kingdom of God") as being already present but unseen; he depicts God as a loving father; he fraternizes with outsiders and criticizes insiders.

The seminar treats the gospels as historical artifacts, representing not only Jesus' actual words and deeds but also the inventions and elaborations of the early Christian community and of the gospel authors. The fellows placed the burden of proof on those who advocate any passage's historicity. Unconcerned with canonical boundaries, they asserted that the Gospel of Thomas may have more authentic material than the Gospel of John.

The term "Hellenistic" is of extreme importance here, IMO.

 

[FUBAR]

I'm not going to turn this draft into a religious discussion so I'm going to stop myself from responding to your various posts about this pick which to me are so off the wall that we probably could shut the draft down before it got off the ground. I suggest we move slightly away from the actual religious doctrine and who is a true whatever in the context of this draft for the sake of the draft itself.

Wasn't that one of the ground rules?

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

blah blah blah

Sorry Tim

 

[timschochet]

All right. I see I'm offending Christians here, which was not my intent. Larry drafted Jesus not as God or the Son of God (though I know he believes both of these to be true) but as a human being, who needs to be compared to other human beings. So this is what I was doing, minus discussions of his divinity. But there seems to be no way to really discuss this without offense. I apologize to the Christians reading this; again, that was not my intent.

 

[FUBAR]

anyone looking to trade up?

While there are a few people I'd be willing to draft here, and there's a real risk that this guy won't be considered #1 in any category, I still have to take him

Muhammad For now, list him under Leader

 

[AcerFC]

I was hoping FUBAR would take one of the two that I cant decide on, but he did not so this makes it tough on me.

I will pick in a few minutes. I need to run it thru the Draft Domiator

 

[timschochet]

Interesting fact about Muhammad: he is probably the only monotheistic major religious figure that has never been portrayed in a movie. Even in the highly controversial Hollywood film, Muhammad, Messenger of God (which sparked riots all over the Middle East) Muhammad is never shown, nor heard. We have no paintings of Muhammad, either.

All of this, of course, is because the Muslim religion prohibits this. But I wonder if the development of that religion, as opposed to the development of Christianity, has any connection to the lack of paintings, films, and the like.

 

[timschochet]

Pretty good representation of races and cultures so far: A Chinese man, a Jew, an Englishman, and an Arab.

 

[AcerFC]

OK, Here it is. I had a very difficult choice between 2 people but I figured this is the smart play (although the other would have been just as smart IMO). I dont really "get" many of the things that he did but from my readings, there are experts at the time who didnt "get" it either which makes him the greatest mind of our century. Since I have not done one of these before, I have no idea if this is a strecth pick or if it is good value, but I guess we will see by what others say.

1.05: Albert Einstein

Albert Einstein was a German-born theoretical physicist. He is best known for his theory of relativity and specifically mass energy equivalence, expressed by the equation E = mc2. Einstein received the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect."

Einstein's many contributions to physics include:

Special theory of relativity, which reconciled mechanics with electromagnetism

General theory of relativity, a new theory of gravitation which added the principle of equivalence to the principle of relativity

Founding of relativistic cosmology with a cosmological constant

The first post-Newtonian expansions for the perihelion advance of planet Mercury and frame-dragging

The deflection of light by gravity and gravitational lensing

An explanation for capillary action

The first fluctuation dissipation theorem which explained the Brownian movement of molecules

The photon theory and wave-particle duality from the thermodynamic properties of light

The quantum theory of atomic motion in solids

Zero point energy

The semiclassical version of the Schrodinger equation

Relations for atomic transition probabilities which predicted stimulated emission

The quantum theory of a monatomic gas which predicted Bose-Einstein condensation

The EPR paradox

A program for a unified field theory by the geometrization of physics.

AcerFC

Leaders -

Military -

Scientist - Albert Einstein

Inventor -

Discoverer/Explorer -

Humanitarian/Saint/Martyr -

Novelist/Short stories -

Playwrights/Poets -

Villain -

Athlete -

Composer -

Musicians/Performers -

Painter -

Artist/Non-Painter -

Philosopher -

Religious Figure -

Celebrity -

Intellectual -

Rebel -

Wildcards -

 

[Yankee23Fan]

All right. I see I'm offending Christians here, which was not my intent. Larry drafted Jesus not as God or the Son of God (though I know he believes both of these to be true) but as a human being, who needs to be compared to other human beings. So this is what I was doing, minus discussions of his divinity. But there seems to be no way to really discuss this without offense. I apologize to the Christians reading this; again, that was not my intent.

It has nothing to to do with offense. You couldn't offend me if you tried. We didn't go down these paths with Joseph Smith in the other draft. There is no need for it here.

 

[FUBAR]

I like the Einstein pick, he was one of the few I had to decide between. There aren't many scientists who there can be an argument made for over him and he is probably the top guy.

IMHO, the only category where there is a virtual certainty of a #1 ranking was Shakespeare.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

With Muhammad gone, that's 3 of my top6 gone with my No.1 still on the board.

Einstein was pegged as a 1st rounder.

 

[timschochet]

All right. I see I'm offending Christians here, which was not my intent. Larry drafted Jesus not as God or the Son of God (though I know he believes both of these to be true) but as a human being, who needs to be compared to other human beings. So this is what I was doing, minus discussions of his divinity. But there seems to be no way to really discuss this without offense. I apologize to the Christians reading this; again, that was not my intent.

It has nothing to to do with offense. You couldn't offend me if you tried. We didn't go down these paths with Joseph Smith in the other draft. There is no need for it here.

Well, Joseph Smith was not the figure Jesus Christ is (no offense, my Mormon friends!) But I see your point.

 

[FUBAR]

All right. I see I'm offending Christians here, which was not my intent. Larry drafted Jesus not as God or the Son of God (though I know he believes both of these to be true) but as a human being, who needs to be compared to other human beings. So this is what I was doing, minus discussions of his divinity. But there seems to be no way to really discuss this without offense. I apologize to the Christians reading this; again, that was not my intent.

It has nothing to to do with offense. You couldn't offend me if you tried. We didn't go down these paths with Joseph Smith in the other draft. There is no need for it here.

One reason for us not going down that path with Smith was the guy who drafted him (me) agrees that he's a fraud.

 

[Usual21]

OK, Here it is. I had a very difficult choice between 2 people but I figured this is the smart play (although the other would have been just as smart IMO). I dont really "get" many of the things that he did but from my readings, there are experts at the time who didnt "get" it either which makes him the greatest mind of our century. Since I have not done one of these before, I have no idea if this is a strecth pick or if it is good value, but I guess we will see by what others say.

1.05: Albert Einstein

Albert Einstein was a German-born theoretical physicist. He is best known for his theory of relativity and specifically mass energy equivalence, expressed by the equation E = mc2. Einstein received the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect."

Einstein's many contributions to physics include:

Special theory of relativity, which reconciled mechanics with electromagnetism

General theory of relativity, a new theory of gravitation which added the principle of equivalence to the principle of relativity

Founding of relativistic cosmology with a cosmological constant

The first post-Newtonian expansions for the perihelion advance of planet Mercury and frame-dragging

The deflection of light by gravity and gravitational lensing

An explanation for capillary action

The first fluctuation dissipation theorem which explained the Brownian movement of molecules

The photon theory and wave-particle duality from the thermodynamic properties of light

The quantum theory of atomic motion in solids

Zero point energy

The semiclassical version of the Schrodinger equation

Relations for atomic transition probabilities which predicted stimulated emission

The quantum theory of a monatomic gas which predicted Bose-Einstein condensation

The EPR paradox

A program for a unified field theory by the geometrization of physics.

AcerFC

Leaders -

Military -

Scientist - Albert Einstein

Inventor -

Discoverer/Explorer -

Humanitarian/Saint/Martyr -

Novelist/Short stories -

Playwrights/Poets -

Villain -

Athlete -

Composer -

Musicians/Performers -

Painter -

Artist/Non-Painter -

Philosopher -

Religious Figure -

Celebrity -

Intellectual -

Rebel -

Wildcards -

Cool to know that you were always the smartest guy in the room. Good pick.

 

[timschochet]

And Jews take the lead with two chosen!

I do not regard Einstein as the greatest scientist of all time. Pretty damn close though, so it's not a bad pick at all.

 

[FUBAR]

It just occurred to me, perhaps I missed the discussion, that there is no business mogul in this draft.

Would you consider them viable as wildcards?

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

What will Yankee do with 2 of his top 3 still out there???

 

[FUBAR]

Cool to know that you were always the smartest guy in the room. Good pick.

Yeah, I dig it.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

 

[AcerFC]

:wipessweatoffofforehead:

 

[timschochet]

Sorry Mario, but when I look among the top 5 picks taken, your choice at #1 really does not belong. I mean shockingly does not belong. The more I think about it, based on where you took this pick, it may very well be the worst draft pick I have ever seen in one of these drafts. No hyperbole.

 

[timschochet]

It just occurred to me, perhaps I missed the discussion, that there is no business mogul in this draft. Would you consider them viable as wildcards?

Of course. I didn't do it because it seemed to me that this is a category that America historically dominates and I sort of thought it might be redundant. But ANYONE is viable as a WC if they are influential to mankind.

 

[FUBAR]

Sorry Mario, but when I look among the top 5 picks taken, your choice at #1 really does not belong. I mean shockingly does not belong. The more I think about it, based on where you took this pick, it may very well be the worst draft pick I have ever seen in one of these drafts. No hyperbole.

timschochet: Mr. Kart, who you've just drafted is one of the most insanely idiotic picks I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational pick. Everyone on this website is now dumber for having seen it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.Mario Kart: Okay, a simple "bad pick" would've done just fine.

 

[BobbyLayne]

All right. I see I'm offending Christians here, which was not my intent. Larry drafted Jesus not as God or the Son of God (though I know he believes both of these to be true) but as a human being, who needs to be compared to other human beings. So this is what I was doing, minus discussions of his divinity. But there seems to be no way to really discuss this without offense. I apologize to the Christians reading this; again, that was not my intent.

It has nothing to to do with offense. You couldn't offend me if you tried. We didn't go down these paths with Joseph Smith in the other draft. There is no need for it here.

and

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Greatest World Villain - Adolf Hitler

What more is there to add to this ultimate human representation of evil? How about the list of known children sent to concentration camps to be herded into mass graves and ovens? The man whose rise to power was engineered on the backs of a hatred that consumed the world and almost oblitered a people. Nothing more really needs to be said.

 

[Abrantes]

IMHO, the only category where there is a virtual certainty of a #1 ranking was Shakespeare.

Well, not the only one. There's a couple others, I'd say.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Sorry Mario, but when I look among the top 5 picks taken, your choice at #1 really does not belong. I mean shockingly does not belong. The more I think about it, based on where you took this pick, it may very well be the worst draft pick I have ever seen in one of these drafts. No hyperbole.

It's a trendy pick.Since the internet his name has travelled through cyberspace and become more prominent than it ever was.Mario probably wanted to make a statement and he did.I'd probably remind you that people ripped on thatguy for his Elvis pick and he's probably going to win that draft.May be a bad pick, but it's not a draft killer. Depending on what category he puts him in, he could still have it make sense.It is however like taking Kellen Winslow at 1.01.He's not a certainty to rank Top 3 at whatever category he slots in at, but should be Top 7.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Greatest World Villain - Adolf Hitler

What more is there to add to this ultimate human representation of evil? How about the list of known children sent to concentration camps to be herded into mass graves and ovens? The man whose rise to power was engineered on the backs of a hatred that consumed the world and almost oblitered a people. Nothing more really needs to be said.

No.1 on my boardA lot of men have tried to kill lots of races in human history, but 6 million plus of one race with systematic destruction puts him way over the top of what anyone else did in this regard.

And people have to remember it wasn't just jews that were slaughtered. If he had his way and a few more years those killing machines would have been targetted at any non aryan.

 

[Thorn]

Greatest World Villain - Adolf Hitler

What more is there to add to this ultimate human representation of evil? How about the list of known children sent to concentration camps to be herded into mass graves and ovens? The man whose rise to power was engineered on the backs of a hatred that consumed the world and almost oblitered a people. Nothing more really needs to be said.

I am pretty sure I am going to absolutely ####### despise following Yankee every other round.

 

[AcerFC]

Greatest World Villain - Adolf Hitler

What more is there to add to this ultimate human representation of evil? How about the list of known children sent to concentration camps to be herded into mass graves and ovens? The man whose rise to power was engineered on the backs of a hatred that consumed the world and almost oblitered a people. Nothing more really needs to be said.

I thought about him for a second but decided I didnt want him wearing an Acer jersey. Its like drafting a Red Sock on my baseball team. I just dont do it. Having said that, nice pick

 

[Ozymandias]

I have no problems with #2, 3 or 4. All of them worthy of being #1, depending on your point of view. I've already expressed my opinion of #1, which is that it was a considerable reach. Doesn't make my top 10 as greatest military leader.

Einstein is interesting. Probably top two in science, but not who the majority of scientists place as #1.

 

[timschochet]

Wow. I certainly did not expect this pick to be taken so high. Yet it's not a reach. Let me make a couple of points-

1. Despite the fact that most of my relatives died at the hands of this man's actions, and despite the fact that I consider the Holocaust to be the greatest crime in the history of mankind, I am not fully convinced that Adolf Hitler is the worst villain ever to live. I won't say more at this time.

2. Hitler could arguably also be taken as leader (Fuehrer) or military leader. You could argue that he is one of the greatest who ever lived at either category. (Many experts are very critical of Hitler as military leader, but personally I think a very good case can be made.)

3. Now I want to discuss three myths about Adolf Hitler, which I have seen used to make political points:

Hitler's belief in Evolution caused the Holocaust. This myth is spread by Intelligent Design people, and was highlighted by Ben Stein visiting Auschwitz in his film, Expelled, and mournfully shaking his head. Hitler got his racial and anti-Semitic theories from a number of people, and evolution has nothing to do with it.

Hitler was a religious Catholic This myth is spread by atheists who are angered by the Intelligent Design debate, and want to use Hitler to attack Christianity. Hitler was born into a Catholic family, but there is no evidence that he believed any of it. Together with one of his best friends Walter Rosenberg, Hitler actually believed in pagan gods and astrology.

Hitler took away people's private guns when he seized power. This myth is spread by the National Rifle Association, as evidence that gun control is connected to totalitarianism. It's a complete fabrication; never happened. Hitler was not in fear of being overthrown by a mass uprising; he was beloved by the German people.

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

Wow. I certainly did not expect this pick to be taken so high. Yet it's not a reach. Let me make a couple of points-

1. Despite the fact that most of my relatives died at the hands of this man's actions, and despite the fact that I consider the Holocaust to be the greatest crime in the history of mankind, I am not fully convinced that Adolf Hitler is the worst villain ever to live. I won't say more at this time.

2. Hitler could arguably also be taken as leader (Fuehrer) or military leader. You could argue that he is one of the greatest who ever lived at either category. (Many experts are very critical of Hitler as military leader, but personally I think a very good case can be made.)

3. Now I want to discuss three myths about Adolf Hitler, which I have seen used to make political points:

Hitler's belief in Evolution caused the Holocaust. This myth is spread by Intelligent Design people, and was highlighted by Ben Stein visiting Auschwitz in his film, Expelled, and mournfully shaking his head. Hitler got his racial and anti-Semitic theories from a number of people, and evolution has nothing to do with it.

Hitler was a religious Catholic This myth is spread by atheists who are angered by the Intelligent Design debate, and want to use Hitler to attack Christianity. Hitler was born into a Catholic family, but there is no evidence that he believed any of it. Together with one of his best friends Walter Rosenberg, Hitler actually believed in pagan gods and astrology.

Hitler took away people's private guns when he seized power. This myth is spread by the National Rifle Association, as evidence that gun control is connected to totalitarianism. It's a complete fabrication; never happened. Hitler was not in fear of being overthrown by a mass uprising; he was beloved by the German people.

Hitler is the No.1 Villain EASILY for meI'm curious who you could think is worse.

Hitler not only wanted to kill millions, he DID.

He was pure evil and his genocide will be very difficult to top.

There have been plenty of very bad people in the history of the world and many have killed lots, but Hitler had the advantage of technology to add zero's to the numbers.

 

[timschochet]

Wow. I certainly did not expect this pick to be taken so high. Yet it's not a reach. Let me make a couple of points-

1. Despite the fact that most of my relatives died at the hands of this man's actions, and despite the fact that I consider the Holocaust to be the greatest crime in the history of mankind, I am not fully convinced that Adolf Hitler is the worst villain ever to live. I won't say more at this time.

2. Hitler could arguably also be taken as leader (Fuehrer) or military leader. You could argue that he is one of the greatest who ever lived at either category. (Many experts are very critical of Hitler as military leader, but personally I think a very good case can be made.)

3. Now I want to discuss three myths about Adolf Hitler, which I have seen used to make political points:

Hitler's belief in Evolution caused the Holocaust. This myth is spread by Intelligent Design people, and was highlighted by Ben Stein visiting Auschwitz in his film, Expelled, and mournfully shaking his head. Hitler got his racial and anti-Semitic theories from a number of people, and evolution has nothing to do with it.

Hitler was a religious Catholic This myth is spread by atheists who are angered by the Intelligent Design debate, and want to use Hitler to attack Christianity. Hitler was born into a Catholic family, but there is no evidence that he believed any of it. Together with one of his best friends Walter Rosenberg, Hitler actually believed in pagan gods and astrology.

Hitler took away people's private guns when he seized power. This myth is spread by the National Rifle Association, as evidence that gun control is connected to totalitarianism. It's a complete fabrication; never happened. Hitler was not in fear of being overthrown by a mass uprising; he was beloved by the German people.

Hitler is the No.1 Villain EASILY for meI'm curious who you could think is worse.

Hitler not only wanted to kill millions, he DID.

He was pure evil and his genocide will be very difficult to top.

There have been plenty of very bad people in the history of the world and many have killed lots, but Hitler had the advantage of technology to add zero's to the numbers.

Again, I'm not sure. When the other person I'm thinking of is selected, I'll give you my reasons for being unsure about this.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Wow. I certainly did not expect this pick to be taken so high. Yet it's not a reach. Let me make a couple of points-

1. Despite the fact that most of my relatives died at the hands of this man's actions, and despite the fact that I consider the Holocaust to be the greatest crime in the history of mankind, I am not fully convinced that Adolf Hitler is the worst villain ever to live. I won't say more at this time.

2. Hitler could arguably also be taken as leader (Fuehrer) or military leader. You could argue that he is one of the greatest who ever lived at either category. (Many experts are very critical of Hitler as military leader, but personally I think a very good case can be made.)

3. Now I want to discuss three myths about Adolf Hitler, which I have seen used to make political points:

Hitler's belief in Evolution caused the Holocaust. This myth is spread by Intelligent Design people, and was highlighted by Ben Stein visiting Auschwitz in his film, Expelled, and mournfully shaking his head. Hitler got his racial and anti-Semitic theories from a number of people, and evolution has nothing to do with it.

Hitler was a religious Catholic This myth is spread by atheists who are angered by the Intelligent Design debate, and want to use Hitler to attack Christianity. Hitler was born into a Catholic family, but there is no evidence that he believed any of it. Together with one of his best friends Walter Rosenberg, Hitler actually believed in pagan gods and astrology.

Hitler took away people's private guns when he seized power. This myth is spread by the National Rifle Association, as evidence that gun control is connected to totalitarianism. It's a complete fabrication; never happened. Hitler was not in fear of being overthrown by a mass uprising; he was beloved by the German people.

Hitler is the No.1 Villain EASILY for meI'm curious who you could think is worse.

Hitler not only wanted to kill millions, he DID.

He was pure evil and his genocide will be very difficult to top.

There have been plenty of very bad people in the history of the world and many have killed lots, but Hitler had the advantage of technology to add zero's to the numbers.

Yeah, it didn't play itself out that much in the American draft save for a few spots, but I have feeling Tim and I are going to be on oppostite ends of the spectrum throughout this one because now he is off the wall with two picks in the top 6 who should have both been in the top 3. Guess that's what makes it interesting.

 

[Ozymandias]

Wow. I certainly did not expect this pick to be taken so high. Yet it's not a reach. Let me make a couple of points-

1. Despite the fact that most of my relatives died at the hands of this man's actions, and despite the fact that I consider the Holocaust to be the greatest crime in the history of mankind, I am not fully convinced that Adolf Hitler is the worst villain ever to live. I won't say more at this time.

2. Hitler could arguably also be taken as leader (Fuehrer) or military leader. You could argue that he is one of the greatest who ever lived at either category. (Many experts are very critical of Hitler as military leader, but personally I think a very good case can be made.)

3. Now I want to discuss three myths about Adolf Hitler, which I have seen used to make political points:

Hitler's belief in Evolution caused the Holocaust. This myth is spread by Intelligent Design people, and was highlighted by Ben Stein visiting Auschwitz in his film, Expelled, and mournfully shaking his head. Hitler got his racial and anti-Semitic theories from a number of people, and evolution has nothing to do with it.

Hitler was a religious Catholic This myth is spread by atheists who are angered by the Intelligent Design debate, and want to use Hitler to attack Christianity. Hitler was born into a Catholic family, but there is no evidence that he believed any of it. Together with one of his best friends Walter Rosenberg, Hitler actually believed in pagan gods and astrology.

Hitler took away people's private guns when he seized power. This myth is spread by the National Rifle Association, as evidence that gun control is connected to totalitarianism. It's a complete fabrication; never happened. Hitler was not in fear of being overthrown by a mass uprising; he was beloved by the German people.

Hitler is the No.1 Villain EASILY for meI'm curious who you could think is worse.

Hitler not only wanted to kill millions, he DID.

He was pure evil and his genocide will be very difficult to top.

There have been plenty of very bad people in the history of the world and many have killed lots, but Hitler had the advantage of technology to add zero's to the numbers.

There are three others I would place in the same grouping, but can't really quarrel with Hitler.