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Worst early-round pick your team has made (1 Viewer)
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Workhorse
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Patriots:1999: Andy Katzenmoyer1998: Tebucky Jones1997: Chris Cantythen there's the trainwreck that was the pre-Parcells era:1989: Hart Lee Dykes1990: Chris Singleton, Ray Agnew (in exchange for the #3 pick, Cortez Kennedy)1991: Pat Harlow, Leonard Russell (in exchange for the #1 pick, Russell Maryland)1992: Eugene Chung (and we moved up from #19 to #13 to take him...) 
Franknbeans
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I have to agree here. Very bad reach pick by the Steelers who were desperate for a wide receiver.
MSULions
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I can go back a bit with the Lions:
1984 - David Lewis TE 1.20
1986 - Chuck Long QB 1.12
1987 - Reggie Rogers DE 1.7
1990 - Andre Ware QB 1.7
1996 - Reggie Brown LB 1.17
1997 - Bryant Westbrook CB 1.5
1999 - Aaron Gibson OL 1.27
2001 - Jeff Backus OL 1.18
2003 - Charles Rogers WR 1.2
top 3 bolded....with Ware taking the cake easily.
I disagree with whoever said they haven't got any good value picks: Shaun Rogers, Lehman, Boss Bailey, Holt, and Alex Lewis are just a few that have gone in rounds 2-5 that have been better than average.
1984 - David Lewis TE 1.20
1986 - Chuck Long QB 1.12
1987 - Reggie Rogers DE 1.7
1990 - Andre Ware QB 1.7
1996 - Reggie Brown LB 1.17
1997 - Bryant Westbrook CB 1.5
1999 - Aaron Gibson OL 1.27
2001 - Jeff Backus OL 1.18
2003 - Charles Rogers WR 1.2
top 3 bolded....with Ware taking the cake easily.
I disagree with whoever said they haven't got any good value picks: Shaun Rogers, Lehman, Boss Bailey, Holt, and Alex Lewis are just a few that have gone in rounds 2-5 that have been better than average.
cstu
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Chargers:Eli Manning 
But seriously, Quentin Jammer or Sammy Davis - take your pick.Jammer didn't live up to the expectations of the #4 pick and gets burned way too often. Seems to be finally "getting it" but still plays too physical and isn't good at tracking the ball or getting INT's.Sammy Davis has been way to inconsistent and prone to injury - has a good chance of being cut.Not much to complain about in the the Chargers' drafts since 2001 though and the team has done a good job at finding talent in the later rounds of the draft as well as FA's.
But seriously, Quentin Jammer or Sammy Davis - take your pick.Jammer didn't live up to the expectations of the #4 pick and gets burned way too often. Seems to be finally "getting it" but still plays too physical and isn't good at tracking the ball or getting INT's.Sammy Davis has been way to inconsistent and prone to injury - has a good chance of being cut.Not much to complain about in the the Chargers' drafts since 2001 though and the team has done a good job at finding talent in the later rounds of the draft as well as FA's.Wait, there's more!Dorian Boose (1998 2nd round, #56, first Jets pick after trading all the way out of 1.01)
Jon McGraw (2002 2nd round #57)
Bryan Thomas (2002 1st round #22.. should've taken Freeny)
'90-'92 was the worst stretch in the last 20 years:
Blair Thomas
Browning Nagle
Johnny Mitchell
Those were just the first Jets picks (Nagle was a 2nd rounder who the Jets got b/c they didn't want to trade up 2 picks to get Favre...)
Actually, from '90-'92 the onyl players with any meaningful NFL careers were:
Terance Mathis (6th rounder, ended up a Pro-Bowler - in Atlanta)
Roger Duffy (8th round, played C for a couple of years)
Siupeli Malamala (3rd round, played RT for a few years)
Glenn Cadrez (6th round, played LB for Denver for a couple of years)
Jeff Blake (6th round, Pro Bowl QB for Cinncinnati, had a good season with NO, who decided to go with Brooks)
33 picks, 6 real NFL players, only two actually played significantly for the drafting team... no wonder the Jets were so bad before Parcells.
TheFanatic
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Lawrence Phillips (top 10 pick)Trung Candidate (first round pick)Eddie Kennison picked 1 pick ahead of Marvin Harrison the year we drafted Phillips. Kennison is having a solid if unspectacular career since leaving the Rams but it was a horrible 2nd round pick for the RamsJacoby Sheapard in the 3rdEric Crouch in the 5thThe myriad of high defensive picks made after Martz took over as head coach and head of player personel. Sure, Archuletta has been a pretty good player, but he can't stay healthy. I hope to God that Linehan is a better gauge of talent than the previous regime.
Synthesizer
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I'm just going to say that I think Reggie Brown should be removed from this list.
Spartans Rule
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Really? I thought Reggie Brown was excellent pre-injury. One of the better picks the Lions made.
kaso
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Wow, there have been a ton of players drafted by Oakland that could land up on this list....2003 Teyo Johnson 2.31 (Jason Witten went 6 picks later)2002 Phillip Buchanon 1.17 (Javon Walker went 3 picks later, Ed Reed went 7 picks later, Lito Sheppard went 9 picks later)2001 Derrick Gibson 1.28 (Chad Johnson went 8 picks later)2000 S. Janikowski 1.17 (Shawn Alexander went 2 picks later)1997 Darrell Russell 1.2 (Walter Jones went 4 picks later)
marinolives13
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I am a saints fan, so where do I start? PIcking a kicker in first round! Shawn Knight in 1987 with 11selection, vaughn dunbar in 92,alexmolden,in 1996 #11, chris naoele #10, and the whole 1997 draft! The bill kuharich and mike ditka drafts are terrible! Add to the fact that we always traded away players like chuck muncie,wes chandler, willie roaf, george rogers, but traded for over the hill players such as ken stabler, richard todd, and earl campbell. Almost 40 years of terrible management! Here is to the Who Dats!
jeff_eaglz
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Philadelphia:1995 - Mike Mamula (1.07). :X Supposed to be a freak, turned out to be a fizzle.Oh and some guy named Derrick Brooks went to Tampa at 1.28....2001 - Freddie "Fred Ex" Mitchell (1.25). Picked ahead of Chad Johnson (2.05), Reggie Wayne (1.31) and Chris Chambers (2.21).
homebrumiester
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fixedThe guy you're forgetting about is Dimitrius The traffic cop Underwood.
homebrumiester
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two words Ryan LeafChargers:
Eli Manning
But seriously, Quentin Jammer or Sammy Davis - take your pick.
Jammer didn't live up to the expectations of the #4 pick and gets burned way too often. Seems to be finally "getting it" but still plays too physical and isn't good at tracking the ball or getting INT's.
Sammy Davis has been way to inconsistent and prone to injury - has a good chance of being cut.
Not much to complain about in the the Chargers' drafts since 2001 though and the team has done a good job at finding talent in the later rounds of the draft as well as FA's.
Donnybrook
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Funny thing is if you compare Couch's stats with Carr's, you will find that Couch leads Carr in every passing category. Carr does lead Couch in rushing. Both have started 59 games in their respective careers.
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Steel City
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This was my first thought when I opened this thread.From what I remember hearing at the time, this was a pick that Cowher fought for. I don't remember the details though so that could be incorrect. Either way, it's one of the worst picks they've made in a long time.
jeff_eaglz
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Come on, I see Lamar "Burger" King scoring virtually every week on the in game highlights.Questionable uniform though.....
boubucarow
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1997 - John Allred TE 38th overall (1st pick), 1st rounder traded for Rick Mirer1996 - Walt Harris 13th overall
1995 - Rashaan Salaam 21st overall
1994 - John Thierry 11th overall
Jules Winnfield
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Fixed it some morefixedThe guy you're forgetting about is Dimitrius The traffic cop Driftwood.
Beaumont
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No, Todd Blackledge by far ... 1.07 QB and never threw more than 10 touchdowns in a season ...Although my personal fav is 1987 Paul "Boo Boo" Palmer who reportedly fumbled on purpose later in his career with the Boys to protest his lack of playing time ...Local: The list is long, but have to go with Ryan Sims 1.06
Fave: Charles Rogers @ 1.02. Or Harrington @ 1.03.
No wonder the Lions suck. No late round steals, high pick busts.
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BoltBacker
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MLBrandow
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Since the Gruden era, there hasn't been a Buc pick that I really disliked. They have drafted pretty well. Marquise Walker was a waste of a 3rd rounder. He was cut before he came into training camp.Now, go back a few years and you see some idiot picks:Anthony McFarland, Kenyatta Walker, Reidel Anthony, Jacquez Green..... buncha bums there. I like how McFarland, despite Hovan having a pro bowl year and Simeon Rice drawing double teams, couldn't register a ####### sack this year. What a scrub.Can't wait until the Bucs get rid of him.
Captain Blowhard
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Oh, God...where to start:
Lions (no particular order):
--David Lewis, TE, #14 overall (1984, I believe)
--John Ford, Wr, early round 2 (1987-ish)
--Trading #8 overall pick (Willie Roaf) for Pat Swilling
--Andre Ware, #6 overall (1991?)
--A DE named Rogers #7 overall (forget the year) who ended up killing as many people drunk driving as he has sacks in his NFL career
--Chuck Long, #11 overall (86?)
--Charles Rogers. enough said.
--Joey Harrington. Enough said.
Sorry...I can't finish this...I must go throw up now. Suffice to say there's more.
Lions (no particular order):
--David Lewis, TE, #14 overall (1984, I believe)
--John Ford, Wr, early round 2 (1987-ish)
--Trading #8 overall pick (Willie Roaf) for Pat Swilling
--Andre Ware, #6 overall (1991?)
--A DE named Rogers #7 overall (forget the year) who ended up killing as many people drunk driving as he has sacks in his NFL career
--Chuck Long, #11 overall (86?)
--Charles Rogers. enough said.
--Joey Harrington. Enough said.
Sorry...I can't finish this...I must go throw up now. Suffice to say there's more.
The Kerminator
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Packers:
1st Round: Tony Mandarich (over Barry Sanders)
1st round: Jamaal Reynolds
2nd round: With it's second round pick the Packers select Punter B.J. Sanders
1st Round: Tony Mandarich (over Barry Sanders)
1st round: Jamaal Reynolds
2nd round: With it's second round pick the Packers select Punter B.J. Sanders
WoolfolksUncle
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You are both dead wrong.... Why, because Andre's bad rap came vs Hall of Famers in Harrison and Holt. He got beat by both badly, well so did every corner in the NFL. That is why both guys are consistently in the top five receivers in the league every year. Andre also shut down a pro bowler this year in the game he was injured in vs Arizona... Larry Fitzgerald.... Don't believe me, check NFL.COM week 7. When he got injured Hill was announced as the starter. Andre returned as a nickel and locked it down... As a matter of fact vs Miami he completely shut the slot receiver out of the game in the second half... There were no passes to the middle of the field unless to a tight end with a LB on them and then he made the tackles on the TE twice. In the same game Jones and Reynaldo Hill were torched on the outside by the Dolphins back up QB Feely. No one gives credit when good things happen but focus on bad when a team is losing. Yes the Titans lost to Arizona, but until Andre got hurt in the 3rd qtr, Fitz had netted 7 yards receiving on two catches and Andre had 3 PDs by then and 5 tackles (3 on the RB - other two on Fitz). He was having a monster game. Each time you are hurt, it takes a moment to get back to 100%. Even Champ Bailey had a stale spot midseason with same exact injury Andre had and it slowed him to getting burned vs KC. By seasons end Champ was Champ again. Andre was Andre again, shutting Miami's slot receiver out. In the coming camp, Andre is finally healthy for the first time since being drafted (first time in camp 100 % healthy) - He will challenge Hill for that spot back. Andre has heart that won't quit and he will earn respect from this league.... bet on itWoolfolk, I can agree with. Seems to me you're selling Jones short - unless you just mean his attitude. Kevin Dyson? (over you-know-who)Adam Jones....Andre Woofolk...
holy shat! that is completely freaking embarassing for the Bears. i knew it was bad, but i didn't realize it had been THAT bad.
onionsack
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Actually, Sander was a third round pick...although we traded UP to get him, which is just as nutty. Earlier in the round we traded up to get Donnell Washington, and before that we...ah screw it...I'll just nominate the entire 2004 Packers draft as monument to Sherman's unique draft ken.
Franknbeans
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see Troy Edwards
From what I remember hearing at the time, this was a pick that Cowher fought for. I don't remember the details though so that could be incorrect. Either way, it's one of the worst picks they've made in a long time.
salmonstud
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Don't forget Andre Ware!Local: The list is long, but have to go with Ryan Sims 1.06
Fave: Charles Rogers @ 1.02. Or Harrington @ 1.03.
No wonder the Lions suck. No late round steals, high pick busts.
SproutDaddy
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TN homer here. If you watch the Titans every week, you see Jones get burnt every week!Woolfolk, I can agree with. Seems to me you're selling Jones short - unless you just mean his attitude. Kevin Dyson? (over you-know-who)Adam Jones....Andre Woofolk...
The Fletch
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I agree with them all...don't forget the Chiefs also drafted Gale Sayers in the first round of the '65 AFL draft, but he signed with the Bears instead.Now that's a WHAT IF...
suchislife
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Mamula immediately came to mind. I'll give them a pass on FredEx though cuz he was considered 1st round talent in that draft.Ahead of Freddie would be 1997 DE Jon Harris. Generally considered a 2nd day pick that Rhode's took in the first round. Kotite's first pick was no prize either; OT Antone Davis. Buddy Ryan said in an interview once that he was prepping for the draft, breaking down game film on O-lineman when Braman called him in to fire him. The player he was looking at was Davis. Ryan said he could tell the kid wouldn't be an NFL lineman.
ChampBailey24
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Tshimanga Biatabutukawas was a good player. He wouldnt've been a bust without injuries.
Sabertooth
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I'll add Ahmad Carrol over Chris Gamble. Also, taking Jamal Reynolds at the 10 spot.
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