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WORST Quarterback to play in a Superbowl (1 Viewer)
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Just curious if those voting Roethlisberger are saying that based on his career stats, SB XL stats or just to get a rise out of Steelers fans.
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CrossEyed
Guest
The question was who is the worst QB to play in a SB, not what QB played the worst in a SB, correct? So all of you Ben bashers need to think again.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Do you notice how those stating Roethlisberger give no reason behind their vote? No stats, no rationale, nothing. You gave a nice summary of Ben's career stats but got no response from the Ben haters. The funny thing is, next year the winner of this poll will be whoever wins the superbowl this year. People like to throw hate on a winner.
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gman74
Footballguy
I voted not the worst but very very very close. you homers are blinded by serious homerism for this guy. He is not the type of qb that can say jump on my back I will carry you he is more the type to say please don't jump to hard you may break my back. QB'S right now I would rather have for my team bradymanningpalmeryoungriversbreesromoand thats not even thinking bout it. enjoy your 1 gift superbowl you won despite having him at QB
Godsbrother
Footballguy
How anyone can say that Roethlisberger wasn't a huge part of the Steelers Super Bowl run last season is beyond me. He had a crappy SB but aside from that, he was very, very good.
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CrossEyed
Guest
So you'd rather have Vince Young and his 65.7 QB rating? Good for you.
I could be wrong, but he has the lowest QB rating of any winning QB in the super bowl right?And hows he looking this year? I would say that it is possible that those great performances to get them there were the exception rather than the rule. Time will tell but he still could end up being a great QB or a pile of dung.Godsbrother said:
gman74
Footballguy
I would rather have someone that can go and win me a game so yes I would prefer young over him and you can throw in mcnabb into the mix. and any qb on that list you would have a hard time saying that ben is better than
redman
Footballguy
This comment goes for Rypien too but, if you won the Super Bowl MVP (which both Williams and Rypien did), I'd say that per se you're excluded from this list. I'm not saying I would choose to build a team around those guys if I had my pick of Super Bowl QB's, but it's pretty hard to talk about them being the worst Super Bowl QB's ever if they won the MVP.jasvic said:
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
And you're a proven Steeler and Ben hater. I don't see the difference here.....
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Romo, Rivers, and Young are all first year starting qbs so it's beyond me how you've already concluded that they're far superior to Ben. But then again, that is usually the symptom of a hater......
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
David Woodley
gman74
Footballguy
ben had a really good start in his first year and then choked in the playoffs and you guys said he was the second comming of the messiah. But then again, that is usually the symptom of a homer......
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I agree that the jury is still out on Ben but the jury is out on Romo and Rivers as well.Ben's passer rating his rookie season was 98.1 and 98.6 in his second season. Two complete seasons both higher than what Romo and Rivers are currently doing this year. Ben's 5-1 post season record isn't anything to sneeze at either. Let's see how Rivers and Romo fare this year in the playoffs.
And don't forget that Roethlisberger is younger than both Romo and Rivers.
There is no denying that he isn't having a great year but don't you think that just a little bit might be due to the fact of his traffic accident and appendectomy? The guy has had three surgeries in less than a year, the last one occured a week before the opener and he still only missed one game this season. In retrospect he probably should have sat out for a couple more games and both his and the Steelers numbers would be better.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Lots of QBs played poorly against the Patriots in 2004/2005 buddy. I guess Peyton Manning sucks too.
gman74
Footballguy
no, Pal peyton does not suck. So i will say this sloweeeerrr for you steel heads. if your happy with Ben Dilfer I am happy for you enjoy getting to the playoffs then comming up short year after year. Ben Dilfer is maybe maybe a top 10 nfl QB and not a top 10 Fantasy QB.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Didn't come up short last year!Okay, I am ready to drop this...
gman74
Footballguy
like i said enjoy your 1 there won't be 2I am also ready to drop this. I made my pointDidn't come up short last year!Okay, I am ready to drop this...
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yup your point is that you don't have one. You're a pure hater. Consider this dropped......like i said enjoy your 1 there won't be 2I am also ready to drop this. I made my pointDidn't come up short last year!Okay, I am ready to drop this...
MarshallRob
Footballguy
Very good answer. If you look at (1) Super Bowl performance; (2) quality seasons; and (3) career length, then Woodley and Kapp are the top 2 contenders for the title of Worst QB to Play in a Super Bowl. Maybe you could include Eason but he had two good seasons plus he was able to hang around as a backup for five years after he lost his starting job. Woodley and Kapp were horrible in the Super Bowl, they never had any good seasons, and they only started for a few years. I lean towards Woodley because Kapp at least had success in the CFL prior to his NFL career and he was known for his toughness and leadership. Woodley just didn't bring anything like that to the table. He had some ability but his psychological problems prevented him from putting it all together unfortunately. Also, Woodley's team could well have won the Super Bowl if he had played just a little bit better.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
He said choked in the playoffs buddy.He sucked against the Jets in the round before that game too. 17/30, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 181 yards. And one of his INTs was returned 86 yards for a TD. Herm Edwards choked that game away.
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If I could pick one measure of a QB, it might be playoff statistics. The problem is not every QB plays in the playoffs. Joe Montana - best QB ever? Look at his playoff stats:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MontJo01.htm
45 TDs to 21 INTs? Against the better teams in the NFL. Amazing.
But perhaps its Tom Brady:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BradTo00.htm
Those stats are in some ways even more gaudy than Montana's. And look at the opponents. Brady is posting those against the likes of the 03 Panthers, Steelers teams, the Eagles, etc.
But I suppose Trent Dilfer is the worst in modern times.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/DilfTr00.htm
He was hardly asked to do much in the playoffs. He completes 9 passes, 5 passes, 9 passes, 12 passes and they win it all. And he only had about 3 good years in the NFL.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MontJo01.htm
45 TDs to 21 INTs? Against the better teams in the NFL. Amazing.
But perhaps its Tom Brady:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BradTo00.htm
Those stats are in some ways even more gaudy than Montana's. And look at the opponents. Brady is posting those against the likes of the 03 Panthers, Steelers teams, the Eagles, etc.
But I suppose Trent Dilfer is the worst in modern times.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/DilfTr00.htm
He was hardly asked to do much in the playoffs. He completes 9 passes, 5 passes, 9 passes, 12 passes and they win it all. And he only had about 3 good years in the NFL.
Saints-Man
Footballguy
This is the correct answer.
pats3in4
Footballguy
Hear hear.I'd have to say Woodley. For those who say Rypien, he was awesome in 1991. For those who say Dilfer, he played the game manager role to a T in 2000 during that 12-game winning streak; People like to crap on such QBs, but so many QBs can throw games away in the postseason and Dilfer wasn't one of them. For those who say Rothlisberger, Cowher put the playoffs on his shoulders and he responded against Cincy, Indy and especially Denver.Eason deserves an honorable mention because in 1985, he was mediocre most of the time and looked bad against good defenses. The Pats were 2-3 at one point and Eason went down with an injury. Grogan came off the bench and provided a spark, rallying the team to 6 (or 7...I forget) straight wins. Then Grogan got hurt and Eason replaced him, but by then the Pats had established a strong running game to rely on so Eason was never needed to come up big. To help matters, the defense was playing both well and opportunistic (i.e. causing turnovers) by the end of the year, so the playoff gameplan wasn't going to be QB-centric. While winning three straight road playoff games to make SB20, Craig James ran all over the Jets, the Raiders (nobody expected that) and Miami. The defense caused 4, 6 & 6 turnovers in each game, respectively. Eason didn't have to do a thing. Then leading up to the Bears game, the Pats decided that the only way they were going to win that game was to throw the ball...with a QB who absolutely hadn't shown he could handle a good D. To make matters worse, Eason came down with the flu the week before the game. After an 0-6 start, a fumble and some pathetic turtling on a sack, he was predictably out of the game.
Revo
Footballguy
This is really out of context. This was the 1982 strike season, and these guys played only 9 games. Andra Franklin led the NFL in attempts, was 3rd in rushing yards and 4th in TDs. The '82 Dolphins were 3rd in the NFL in total rushing yards.They also had the best pass defense in the NFL and allowed the least amount of points in the AFC.That said, David Woodley still stunk.....Winner. That's sad about Woodley. I wasn't aware of his demise. That Dolphins team had to be the worst team ever to appear in a Super Bowl:Code:Quarterbacks+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+| Name | G | CMP ATT PCT YARD Y/A TD IN | RSH YARD TD |+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+| Don Strock | 9 | 30 55 54.5 306 5.6 2 5 | 3 -9 0 || David Woodley | 9 | 98 179 54.7 1080 6.0 5 8 | 36 207 2 |+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+Running Backs+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Woody Bennett | 1 | 9 15 1.7 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || Rich Diana | 9 | 8 31 3.9 0 | 2 21 10.5 0 || Andra Franklin | 9 | 177 701 4.0 7 | 3 9 3.0 0 || Eddie Hill | 9 | 13 51 3.9 0 | 6 33 5.5 0 || Tony Nathan | 8 | 66 233 3.5 1 | 16 114 7.1 0 || Tommy Vigorito | 9 | 19 99 5.2 1 | 24 186 7.8 0 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+Wide Receivers+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Jimmy Cefalo | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 17 356 20.9 1 || Mark Duper | 2 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || Duriel Harris | 9 | 1 13 13.0 0 | 22 331 15.0 1 || Jim Jensen | 6 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || Nat Moore | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 8 82 10.2 1 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+Tight Ends+----------------------+----+----------------------+| Name | G | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+----------------------+| Bruce Hardy | 9 | 12 66 5.5 2 || Joe Rose | 9 | 16 182 11.4 2 |+----------------------+----+----------------------+Kickers+----------------------+------------------+------------+-------+| Name | FGM FGA PCT | XPM XPA | PT |+----------------------+------------------+------------+-------+| Uwe von Schamann | 15 20 75.0 | 21 22 | 66 |+----------------------+------------------+------------+-------+
redman
Footballguy
Take a look at the QB's numbers, the RBs ypa, the WRs' numbers, and the overall scoring. This was an anemic offense no matter how you cut it and no matter how many games they played. Their WR's scored 3 TD's in 9 games, combined!This is really out of context. This was the 1982 strike season, and these guys played only 9 games. Andra Franklin led the NFL in attempts, was 3rd in rushing yards and 4th in TDs. The '82 Dolphins were 3rd in the NFL in total rushing yards.They also had the best pass defense in the NFL and allowed the least amount of points in the AFC.That said, David Woodley still stunk.....Winner. That's sad about Woodley. I wasn't aware of his demise. That Dolphins team had to be the worst team ever to appear in a Super Bowl:Code:Quarterbacks+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+| Name | G | CMP ATT PCT YARD Y/A TD IN | RSH YARD TD |+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+| Don Strock | 9 | 30 55 54.5 306 5.6 2 5 | 3 -9 0 || David Woodley | 9 | 98 179 54.7 1080 6.0 5 8 | 36 207 2 |+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+Running Backs+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Woody Bennett | 1 | 9 15 1.7 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || Rich Diana | 9 | 8 31 3.9 0 | 2 21 10.5 0 || Andra Franklin | 9 | 177 701 4.0 7 | 3 9 3.0 0 || Eddie Hill | 9 | 13 51 3.9 0 | 6 33 5.5 0 || Tony Nathan | 8 | 66 233 3.5 1 | 16 114 7.1 0 || Tommy Vigorito | 9 | 19 99 5.2 1 | 24 186 7.8 0 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+Wide Receivers+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Jimmy Cefalo | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 17 356 20.9 1 || Mark Duper | 2 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || Duriel Harris | 9 | 1 13 13.0 0 | 22 331 15.0 1 || Jim Jensen | 6 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || Nat Moore | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 8 82 10.2 1 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+Tight Ends+----------------------+----+----------------------+| Name | G | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+----------------------+| Bruce Hardy | 9 | 12 66 5.5 2 || Joe Rose | 9 | 16 182 11.4 2 |+----------------------+----+----------------------+Kickers+----------------------+------------------+------------+-------+| Name | FGM FGA PCT | XPM XPA | PT |+----------------------+------------------+------------+-------+| Uwe von Schamann | 15 20 75.0 | 21 22 | 66 |+----------------------+------------------+------------+-------+
Air Coryell
Footballguy
I'm surprised that Humphries would even be mentioned. It was a ball control offense and his numbers the year they go to the superbowl were decent. I have to believe there has to be others QBs that had far worse numbers.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
IF we're going to include guys that took a few snaps, then you're going to have to include WRs/RBs who lined up at QB on trick plays and obviously they're worse than real QBs. So why don't we make it worst QB to START a Super Bowl?
marinolives13
Footballguy
Sad, but extremely true
marinolives13
Footballguy
2 super bowl wins one mvp, he doesn't fitDoo said:Jim Plunkett
marinolives13
Footballguy
they got on a roll in the playoffs and shutout the jets and never had to play the raiders who were the best team in the afc that year.Take a look at the QB's numbers, the RBs ypa, the WRs' numbers, and the overall scoring. This was an anemic offense no matter how you cut it and no matter how many games they played. Their WR's scored 3 TD's in 9 games, combined!This is really out of context. This was the 1982 strike season, and these guys played only 9 games. Andra Franklin led the NFL in attempts, was 3rd in rushing yards and 4th in TDs. The '82 Dolphins were 3rd in the NFL in total rushing yards.They also had the best pass defense in the NFL and allowed the least amount of points in the AFC.That said, David Woodley still stunk.....Winner. That's sad about Woodley. I wasn't aware of his demise. That Dolphins team had to be the worst team ever to appear in a Super Bowl:Code:Quarterbacks+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+| Name | G | CMP ATT PCT YARD Y/A TD IN | RSH YARD TD |+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+| Don Strock | 9 | 30 55 54.5 306 5.6 2 5 | 3 -9 0 || David Woodley | 9 | 98 179 54.7 1080 6.0 5 8 | 36 207 2 |+----------------------+----+-------------------------------+-------------+Running Backs+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Woody Bennett | 1 | 9 15 1.7 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || Rich Diana | 9 | 8 31 3.9 0 | 2 21 10.5 0 || Andra Franklin | 9 | 177 701 4.0 7 | 3 9 3.0 0 || Eddie Hill | 9 | 13 51 3.9 0 | 6 33 5.5 0 || Tony Nathan | 8 | 66 233 3.5 1 | 16 114 7.1 0 || Tommy Vigorito | 9 | 19 99 5.2 1 | 24 186 7.8 0 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+Wide Receivers+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Jimmy Cefalo | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 17 356 20.9 1 || Mark Duper | 2 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || Duriel Harris | 9 | 1 13 13.0 0 | 22 331 15.0 1 || Jim Jensen | 6 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 || Nat Moore | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 8 82 10.2 1 |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+Tight Ends+----------------------+----+----------------------+| Name | G | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+----------------------+| Bruce Hardy | 9 | 12 66 5.5 2 || Joe Rose | 9 | 16 182 11.4 2 |+----------------------+----+----------------------+Kickers+----------------------+------------------+------------+-------+| Name | FGM FGA PCT | XPM XPA | PT |+----------------------+------------------+------------+-------+| Uwe von Schamann | 15 20 75.0 | 21 22 | 66 |+----------------------+------------------+------------+-------+
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Trent Dilfer.
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I'll go with option 3.
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