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Would you tell them? (1 Viewer)

I'll add a recent backstory to illustrate my mindset on this.

Week 8. Team I was facing in my biggest money dynasty league and what I viewed as one of the main contenders for the highly coveted top two seed had Tee Higgins in his lineup. This was the week that Tee got hurt in practice on Friday. I saw it about an hour before kickoff he still had Tee in his lineup, assumed he'd change it. Checked back with about 15 minutes to go and saw it was not changed.

Not only was I not even considering telling him, but if he took a goose on Tee combined with some mid performances from two key players he had going in the Thursday Night game I was strategizing around it with my lineup calls. With about a minute to go before lineups locked I made sure he left in Tee, made my lineups calls accordingly(which were mistakes but don't want this to get to long winded)

A little over an hour after kickoff I saw an email that his lineup had been changed by the commissioner and Tee replaced. I was not pleased to see a lineup switch over an hour after they locked and no one bothering to explain it to me. Caused a lot of rancor in the league. Story changed a little over why it was done over and hour after kickoff but loose version of the story was my opponent says he's was in an area he could not access the league, but was able to send an email to the commissioner asking him to pull Tee. Commissioner says he got this email a few minutes after lineups locked, but before kickoff, but was on a flight and could not make the change until he landed.

Maybe some of you would have said that's cool. Not me. I don't even care to examine the validity of the story. Could be 100% accurate, don't know or care. You got a deadline to get your lineup in and that's on you is how I see it. I fought this tooth and nail to have Tee removed from the lineup and really caused a lot of rancor in the league, which I hated to do, but felt sure in my convictions.

So that's how I roll. I expect people, especially in highly competitive leagues were decent money is involved, to be responsible for their own team*. I play to win, expect my opponent to do the same and if you are not up to the task I'll try and use it to my advantage.

*if I got reason to believe someone has a health issue to them or their family, stuck in a natural disaster, things like that I would not feel this way. Just wanting to make that known there are instances I would allow a change, inform the owner if I knew he was in this predicament, etc, etc, but in the absence of something like that, hell no.
Our rules allow this, but also includes cc'ing your opponent.
Yeah - as commish I’ve done stuff like this, but I would have forwarded the time-stamped email so the other party knows it’s on the level. Transparency is key.
 
I probably wouldn't say anything, but in most of the leagues I'm in, the commish will fine you if you start a player that's been benched or is on IR or listed as doubtful or out, etc. So people tend to pay attention to a player's status on game day. Mistakes still happen but they're rare.
 
You have to explain how you lean "no chance". If you're leaning wouldn't there be a chance?
I love ethics questions. They always elicit a wide array of responses.

Here’s a fun FF playoff hypothetical:

You’re in a SF league facing a team with a QB who’s been benched by his team.

Said opponent set their lineup, and it’s clear they missed the news of said benching.

Would you tell them?
:oldunsure:



*based on a true story. Some of the names have been changed to protect the innocent.
Ethics attorney here.
No. I wouldn’t tell them unless you have both helped each other before.
McDonald's Nutritionist here.

Yes. Did so early this year mid Sunday afternoon when I noticed. Don't recall what if any pivots were availabe. Turns out the guy was new and had been submitting his lineups in the draft league for several weeks and not the regular season league. I don't think anyone notice because a default lineup was rolling week to week and he was scoring well until the byes and injuries hit.

Main reason I say yes is because if he was facing an opponent I was behind in the stands I wouldn't be happy about him taking zeros.
 
how is this an ethics question?
It’s not.
Yes. Did so early this year mid Sunday afternoon when I noticed. Don't recall what if any pivots were availabe. Turns out the guy was new and had been submitting his lineups in the draft league for several weeks and not the regular season league. I don't think anyone notice because a default lineup was rolling week to week and he was scoring well until the byes and injuries hit.

Main reason I say yes is because if he was facing an opponent I was behind in the stands I wouldn't be happy about him taking zeros
I’d agree in those circumstances.
In the playoffs? Go ahead and tell him if you want to but you’re not harming anyone else by not saying anything.
Frankly I avoid this for the most part by usually not looking at my opponent’s roster until Sunday afternoon.
 
how is this an ethics question?
I would consider it an ethics question. It's certainly not a strategy question, since it would then be an obvious "never ever, no!" If not "ethics", something like "morals"/"code of honor" type of thing?
 
I love ethics questions. They always elicit a wide array of responses.

Here’s a fun FF playoff hypothetical:

You’re in a SF league facing a team with a QB who’s been benched by his team.

Said opponent set their lineup, and it’s clear they missed the news of said benching.

Would you tell them?
:oldunsure:



*based on a true story. Some of the names have been changed to protect the innocent.

Wow. I actually had a dream about this last night. I dreamt that my opponent in a big stakes league had Kirk Cousins in his lineup. (I would have never remembered that dream if not for reading this post.)

Anyway, no, I wouldn't feel bad about not telling them. I've made that mistake before with like a DE that is out, but I missed it because it wasn't indicated on the site I was using, and I didn't do extra work to research it. It's all part of the game.
 
how is this an ethics question?
It’s not.
Yes. Did so early this year mid Sunday afternoon when I noticed. Don't recall what if any pivots were availabe. Turns out the guy was new and had been submitting his lineups in the draft league for several weeks and not the regular season league. I don't think anyone notice because a default lineup was rolling week to week and he was scoring well until the byes and injuries hit.

Main reason I say yes is because if he was facing an opponent I was behind in the stands I wouldn't be happy about him taking zeros
I’d agree in those circumstances.
In the playoffs? Go ahead and tell him if you want to but you’re not harming anyone else by not saying anything.
Frankly I avoid this for the most part by usually not looking at my opponent’s roster until Sunday afternoon.
Good point about playoffs.
 
Seems pretty impractical to tell them, a lot of people don't set their lineup until close to game time and make changes up until kickoff so when you would tell them? 5 minutes before? at that point they're most likely not going to see your message. Unless you have everyone's cell phone but I don't typically reach out to folks in my league this way other than the ones I'm friends with, which is only 2 or 3. Even leaving all that aside, I wouldn't tell them, it's their responsibility, not mine.
 
I'll add a recent backstory to illustrate my mindset on this.

Week 8. Team I was facing in my biggest money dynasty league and what I viewed as one of the main contenders for the highly coveted top two seed had Tee Higgins in his lineup. This was the week that Tee got hurt in practice on Friday. I saw it about an hour before kickoff he still had Tee in his lineup, assumed he'd change it. Checked back with about 15 minutes to go and saw it was not changed.

Not only was I not even considering telling him, but if he took a goose on Tee combined with some mid performances from two key players he had going in the Thursday Night game I was strategizing around it with my lineup calls. With about a minute to go before lineups locked I made sure he left in Tee, made my lineups calls accordingly(which were mistakes but don't want this to get to long winded)

A little over an hour after kickoff I saw an email that his lineup had been changed by the commissioner and Tee replaced. I was not pleased to see a lineup switch over an hour after they locked and no one bothering to explain it to me. Caused a lot of rancor in the league. Story changed a little over why it was done over and hour after kickoff but loose version of the story was my opponent says he's was in an area he could not access the league, but was able to send an email to the commissioner asking him to pull Tee. Commissioner says he got this email a few minutes after lineups locked, but before kickoff, but was on a flight and could not make the change until he landed.

Maybe some of you would have said that's cool. Not me. I don't even care to examine the validity of the story. Could be 100% accurate, don't know or care. You got a deadline to get your lineup in and that's on you is how I see it. I fought this tooth and nail to have Tee removed from the lineup and really caused a lot of rancor in the league, which I hated to do, but felt sure in my convictions.

So that's how I roll. I expect people, especially in highly competitive leagues were decent money is involved, to be responsible for their own team*. I play to win, expect my opponent to do the same and if you are not up to the task I'll try and use it to my advantage.

*if I got reason to believe someone has a health issue to them or their family, stuck in a natural disaster, things like that I would not feel this way. Just wanting to make that known there are instances I would allow a change, inform the owner if I knew he was in this predicament, etc, etc, but in the absence of something like that, hell no.
Our rules allow this, but also includes cc'ing your opponent.
Yeah - as commish I’ve done stuff like this, but I would have forwarded the time-stamped email so the other party knows it’s on the level. Transparency is key.
Agree and I think I used the word transparency repeatedly when I expressed why I was upset with the lineup change. It’s my favorite league and the commissioner does a great job and hated making a big issue out of it but felt the ball was dropped this once.
 
I missed the playoffs this year by one game, and I can point directly to a loss where I let my friend know his lineup was incomplete on Sunday morning. He thanked me, fixed it, then beat me by a couple of points.

I don't regret it, because he's a good guy and was going through some stuff, so being a friend trumps fantasy football. But if it was just some guy in the league... I'd probably have "forgotten" to let him know.
 
I'm not always around and don't often check my phone when outside, or busy, so I missed a game time decision this year. It was when my other option, due to injuries and bye weeks, was someone really deep on my roster like Josh "roster clogger" Palmer. Not surprisingly, the 4 points he got didn't make a difference in the game, but either way it's on me to try to check my phone for game time decisions. I wasn't expecting anyone to say anything to me about it.
 
Just throwing this out there, the guy is experienced, right? Enough so that there's no way he could think that the SF slot has to be a QB?
Correct. He knows.

He was a heavy underdog. Maybe it was a surrender. :shrug:

I think it was just a brain fart, or he didn’t know about the demotion.
 
I would absolutely tell them. I would type the message and hit "send" 1 minute after kick-off.
Basically what I did. lol

LOVE IT :laugh:
I waited 5 mins to make sure that **** was locked 🔒

Of course :wink:

Did he thank you?
He did not.

I’m not sure he’s aware yet. The commish texted me laughing her *** off saying “no mercy!” :lol:

I doubt he woulda won regardless but it woulda been close.
 
A good friend or relative versus someone I don’t know - I absolutely tell them (I tell the relative or friend).
What about an opponent who’s a friend?
I tell them. But I guess it depends on the friend. Maybe we have a standing agreement to help each other out, or don’t, either way?
Sounds like collusion. Hehe

I like this dude but we’re not friends friends. We’ve made some trades and we get along well, but yeah - I’m going to the LCG by hook or by crook.

As someone else said, not my job to manage their roster.

I honestly thought he’d fix it before kickoff. As it turned out it wouldn’t have mattered. I’m up 60 with 5 YTP including my WR1 & RB1, & he has 3.

No one on his bench woulda helped him to a W.
 

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