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WR Brandon Aiyuk, SF (2 Viewers)
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jm192
Footballguy
From a Cleveland perspective
If they're giving up Cooper, does this trade make them significantly better?
I think there's a debate as to whether Aiyuk is a better receiver than Cooper. I certainly don't think the gap between the 2 is huge.
I don't know that slightly improved WR play puts them over the top.
If they're giving up Cooper, does this trade make them significantly better?
I think there's a debate as to whether Aiyuk is a better receiver than Cooper. I certainly don't think the gap between the 2 is huge.
I don't know that slightly improved WR play puts them over the top.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Just out of curiosity, what skill is he lacking to be a #1?
H8fulHuck
Footballguy
seen a bunch of posts like that. target share limited in SF by design is the best i can come up with. Reception Perception rates him as elite plus he's probably the best blocking WR by a mile compared to the other top few
I think he's a fine #1 on most teams, but he lacks elite speed and size and is a clear step down from the Jeffersons, etc. of the world.
Cooper is very underrated but just turned 30 and is in the last year of his contract. He made some rumblings over the offseason he wants more $ and 2025 is probably his last opportunity to cash-in so I don’t think it’s likely he stays in Cleveland (especially after throwing way too much at Jeudy IMO) or they would have already extended him.
Aiyuk is only 26 and just entering his prime years, Cleveland has also been very good at manipulating the cap and have an estimated $28MM in space which could absorb the dead hit trading Cooper. They could easily give Aiyuk a big new contract and do some contract finagling to convert his current 5th year salary to a bonus and/or just guarantee the big money in years 2 and 3 as salary or bonuses for example.
Aiyuk is only 26 and just entering his prime years, Cleveland has also been very good at manipulating the cap and have an estimated $28MM in space which could absorb the dead hit trading Cooper. They could easily give Aiyuk a big new contract and do some contract finagling to convert his current 5th year salary to a bonus and/or just guarantee the big money in years 2 and 3 as salary or bonuses for example.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
The Browns have the 3rd highest paid QB in the AFCN.
The Browns paid a 5th round pick for Amari Cooper and have already gotten 2 Pro Bowl years on his rookie contract before giving him a well-deserved bump this year.
The Browns traded a 7th round pick for Pro Bowl OG Wyatt Teller.
The Browns traded a 7th round pick for starting K Dustin Hopkins who set a team record last year.
The Browns traded 2-5th round picks for a 3-time Pro Bowl pass rusher Zadarius Smith.
Don't pay attention to the many moves that worked. The Browns paid 3-1st round picks for a QB so you come to a conclusion.
Cleveland overpays for everything.
Smart teams NEVER do that.
How is Trey Lance doing?
SF traded Trey Lance, a QB they paid 3-1st round picks for a 4th round pick last year.
Comparison?
Last year Cleveland traded Joshua Dobbs, a QB they picked up off the waiver wire for a 5th round pick.
Watson is still the Browns starting QB, coming off injury with a 5-1 W/L record last year when he was injured.
Brock is due to get paid and he'll likely get more than Watson which is why SF may lose BA.
NFL QBs get paid, that is just how it is and not only in Cleveland.
nittanylion
Footballguy
IMHO, Aiyuk benefits tremendously from the unique supporting cast he shared the field with.
I think if he goes elsewhere and is tried as the focal point of an offense, that a defense is able to prioritize due to less talented compliments players, he will be exposed as very good vs elite.
I've always felt Aiyuk in a vacuum is the kind of #1 that needs to be in a 1a/1b dynamic to thrive.
Think Darrell Jackson / Koren Robinson from vintage Seahawks days.
IMHO, of course.
I think if he goes elsewhere and is tried as the focal point of an offense, that a defense is able to prioritize due to less talented compliments players, he will be exposed as very good vs elite.
I've always felt Aiyuk in a vacuum is the kind of #1 that needs to be in a 1a/1b dynamic to thrive.
Think Darrell Jackson / Koren Robinson from vintage Seahawks days.
IMHO, of course.
Terpman22
Footballguy
This is where I am. Its not that he CAN'T be a true #1 WR. Just Haven't seen him do it, considering his circumstances yet. He has 1k yards in half of his seasons, and its arguable his YPC last year was a true outlier, as his career YPC even with last year is still 3+ yards below last year's 17.8. I think he can be a very good WR, but not sure he has that elite/top 10 in him to succeed regardless of the circumstances (read: He probably isn't getting 1300 yards in New England).
Truly a tough situation for both he and the team, although I believe the team (SF) should cave and just pay him to keep continuity.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Makes sense. But this is one area Cleveland can matchup alright imo. Njoku is a darn good receiver, Jeudy should be better than we’ve seen, their running game is among the best especially if Chubb returns. We can question the QBs, but the surrounding talent is rather impressive.
Granted, no team has SF’s quality.
Honestly, I think BA would do fine in Cleveland or Pittsburgh.
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I don’t buy that fully from Maiocco. You don’t casually set up trade deal structure that complicated 30 days before kickoff and have it in place if you’re not interested.
I’d assume Aiyuk was very interested and when the details clarified he decided the Patriots offer wasn’t enough money.
Hate to say it but I feel like the Pats are just being used here…probably by both parties….8 years ago they would somehow get Aiyuk for a 4th round pick and pay him 10 mil a year but those days are long gone.
I think I agree there.
massraider
Footballguy
Two players had PFF grades over 90 vs man and zone last season.
Justin Jefferson
Brandon Aiyuk
Justin Jefferson
Brandon Aiyuk
efactor
Footballguy
He also plays on a team that had the lowest number of pass attempts in 2023 and is consistently in the bottom 5. To say he has hit 1000 yards in HALF his seasons is deceiving. His yardage total has gone up every year. He's really good and IMO, would be a top 5ish WR in a heavy passing offense.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Hard to see anyone prepared to pay twice for him at this particular moment. High draft pick as well as monster contract.
Capella
Footballguy
By almost any metric he’s an elite #1 option. Just because the Niners have several great offensive options doesn’t mean he’s a 2, it just makes you wonder why they haven’t won a Super Bowl.
efactor
Footballguy
That's why I think he is staying put. 49ers typically get the contracts done but it's generally a negotiation. They don't roll over and give money away. Wouldn't be a great idea to get rid of a young QBs favorite downfield target.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Like I said, its a tough situation to truly find out the truth. My argument basically is "If you are elite, you are so good you demand the ball to be thrown your way" The year Deebo went off was truly an outlier, but it also begs a a couple questions "Is Deebo actually better than BA" and if not then "Why was the inferior WR fed the ball so much where he outperformed BA by almost 600 yards?"
The answer probably lies somewhere in the middle - him being a very good, yet not quite elite WR, therefore he should get a very good, yet not quite elite contract.
jumper
Footballguy
I think the Browns would be willing to pay him $30MM, or trade either a 1st or Cooper for him. I don't think they'll be willing to do both. It's questionable to begin with that Aiyuk is an upgrade over Cooper. And maybe just maybe the Browns learned something by trading a boatload of picks for Watson (where it's questionable if he's truly an upgrade over Baker Mayfield) and giving him a huge contract at the same time.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Is it possible he’s actually underrated?
Terpman22
Footballguy
If that was the case he'd have a contract done at this point, IMO. I think he certainly is overrating himself tho.
massraider
Footballguy
Aiyuk was also in only his 2nd year in the league, and Deebo is 2 years older. SF has a stud TE as well, and Aiyuk had 10 less targets than Kittle in his 2nd year. Considering Aiyuk was not a finished prospect coming out of college, (he was the screen and deep ball guy) I think his 2021 season was pretty great. By his 3rd year, Aiyuk had 30 more than Kittle, and led the team.
They have elite receiving TE and RB options, plus whatever one thinks Deebo is. He has led the team in targets the last two years on a team with potential Hall of Fame pass catchers.
Starting to think so.
psychobillies
Footballguy
Is there any scenario where Pickens is involved in a trade if the Steelers are still in it?
As others have said, I don't think he will succeed if he becomes the focal point of the defense.
If he is so elite, why would San Fran trade him?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I highly doubt it
Shanahan would hate him.
No but I could see a scenario he becomes available later as I anticipate him not handling the Aiyuk addition well.
Tomlin’s not even trying to downplay the Aiyuk rumors. My guess is he’s Steeler before the day is over.
jm192
Footballguy
I think everything is on a spectrum.
I don't think he's completely void of any certain skill. I do think the sum of his game isn't to that level of an Elite WR1.
I think he can function like Terry McLaurin as a #1. He can top the depth chart. He'll give you 1,000 to 1,100 yards. But I don't think that kind of production is what teams are being asked to pay for.
Yes he had 1,300 yards this year. But he's in an elite offense that has been able to limit the defensive focus on him. They've been able to maximize his efficiency. All of that changes upon leaving.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
By that logic, CeeDee Lamb is overrating himself.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Yeah elite WRs don't get traded...<cough> Tyreke Hill and AJ Brown <cough>
SF would trade him because there's a salary cap and they have a potential $60M per year contract looming in Brock Purdy.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
SPeaking of CeeDee, it would be interesting if the cowboys got into this.
Terpman22
Footballguy
If Lamb was hypothetically put on the trading block, there'd be 3x the amount of teams inquiring and a deal would already be done with a new contract paying him in the top 2-4 of the league as well as the Cowboys getting a 1st and then some back.
They are NOT the same player. Not even close.
The reports are that NE was offering him $28.5+ million and SF is at $26 million per year. There must be some contract length/guaranteed $ issues with the Niners offer or something, because otherwise I have no idea why SF and Aiyuk can't get a deal done given that they are so close.
Based on success rates (mentioned above), efficiency measures, and the production Aiyuk has had with the opportunities provided, I am comfortable saying he is far closer to Lamb, JJ, etc, than many are giving him credit for. I think people are discounting the fact that the WR market is just so inflated right now that not every team is in a position to take on a WR seeking their first big pay day.
Tau837
Footballguy
This is the second time I saw something like this posted in this thread. To me, Aiyuk is clearly better, and I'm surprised that is not a unanimous perspective.
Sorry if this was already mentioned but multiple people have said he’s worked out the the contract terms with the Steelers. Holdup of course is meeting SF’s trade demands.
Going to be a little surprised if he’s not a Steeler, and like I said a few posts up probably before the day is over.
SF letting him talk to other teams and agree on a contract makes it more difficult on them to not trade him IMO, just adds more rancor to the situation.
Going to be a little surprised if he’s not a Steeler, and like I said a few posts up probably before the day is over.
SF letting him talk to other teams and agree on a contract makes it more difficult on them to not trade him IMO, just adds more rancor to the situation.
FWIW, his agent is Ryan Williams of Athlete's first. They recently got the Tagovailoa and Jordan Love deals done.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Speculation without any factual basis.
-jb-
Footballguy
this seems to much like a rebuild move...which would make this niner fan cry. they're still in the window.
Agreed. Aiyuk is better, younger, and is still arguably an ascendent player. Kinda feels like people are acting like Cooper is still 25.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Andrew Fillipponi:
The Steelers have a verbal agreement in place with the 49ers for Brandon Aiyuk. All the terms of the deal and contract details are being hammered out now. The WR is coming to Pittsburgh.
www.49erswebzone.com
The Steelers have a verbal agreement in place with the 49ers for Brandon Aiyuk. All the terms of the deal and contract details are being hammered out now. The WR is coming to Pittsburgh.
Report: 49ers have verbal trade agreement with Steelers for Brandon Aiyuk
Brandon Aiyuk may be getting his wish. According to Andrew Fillipponi of 93.7 The Fan in Pittsburgh, the San Francisco 49ers have a verbal agreement in place...
www.49erswebzone.com
Terpman22
Footballguy
Eh, facts are both came in the league the same year. Last 2 seasons CD Lamb has more yards each year than BA's best year.
Lamb has 120+ more catches, 1200+ more yards and 7 more touchdowns over the same span.
"But Aiyuk has to share the ball!"
Lamb played with Amari Cooper his first 2 seasons, outproduced Cooper in year 2, which Aiyuk couldn't do to Deebo in the same year.
Not sure what we are doing here, but Lamb is an ELITE wr, no argument. There are plenty of folks in here arguing Aiyuk *is not*
Hope that factual basis is enough for ya.
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Pour one out for us Aiyuk truthers. Nobody will ever know that he's a top 7 WR in the league. Banished to Arthur Smith's offense.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Been a couple hours since that tweet & nada.
Color me skeptical.
Color me skeptical.
AJ Brown was WR4 PPG in an Arthur Smith offense. If Aiyuk is truly a top WR, he'll be fine.
Spin
Footballguy
I'm just ready for it all to end, please, one way or another.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, it is tiresome, I agree.
Spin
Footballguy
I don't know much about the reporter here (Fillipponi) but the Steelers subreddit has banned this guy's reports from their subreddit for how wrong they normally are, and most of his reports just have Steeler's fans trashing the guy. Who knows, he could be correct here, though.
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