Hot Sauce Guy
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Even Brissett will keep Aiyuk‘s numbers healthy.
Bitterness aside, I do think Aiyuk is in a very friendly offense for production. NEP seems like a downgrade.
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WR Brandon Aiyuk, SF (3 Viewers)
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Bitterness aside, I do think Aiyuk is in a very friendly offense for production. NEP seems like a downgrade.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Id be fine trading Aiyuk to Cleveland if we get Cooper. Cooper has had 1100+ yards 4 of the past 5 seasons and has 35 TDs and has missed an avg of one game per season over that span. Reliable and durable, and at a fraction of the cost.
Plus, he would have a chance to stick it to Jerry Jones in week 8 when we play the Boys. That would be fun to see.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Same
fair points. but the main reason its not as clear cut is because Aiyuk doesnt have stats that go back more than ... what 3 or 4 years? Cooper has a longer track record of producing.
I'm not sure that makes him the better player either and if trading him for Cooper I'd expect the browns to throw in a draft pick or a player to make this trade happen. That still doesnt make Aiyuk better than cooper but the younger player usually has more useful years left in his prime and Aiyuk wins there hands down.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
On for sure. Ideally the 49ers could keep Aiyuk. That’s the best case scenario for everyone involved.
$26M a year seems like pretty good money. I’m disappointed that Aiyuk didn’t think so.
well, he can go to another team to get paid. but he may not get paid again so I hope its worth it for him. I dont think he produces better in either of those locations.
I'm aware of the adjustment to Cooper's contract and really it was not much of a gesture guaranteeing it. It was all guaranteed the moment he was on the roster in week one.
Never said a thing about Cooper complaining but I'm going to continue to assert if Aiyuk refuses the trade and Cooper remains on the team it's messy as you know have your #1WR who knows his team tried to trade him away.I think it's naive to pretend that means nothing to Cooper.
Don't see it that way. He's not a FA. He apparently wanted to go to Washington or Pittsburgh but those deals got hung up on the trade comp, not his pay request. I don't see how he looks bad if he says he'd just rather return to SF on his deal and see if he can't reach FA or work a deal out to where he actually wants to go next year instead of taking the pay to go someplace he does not want to play now. Don't see how any of that is a bad look for him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And to be fair he did list SF as one of the places he wanted to play.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
If I am reading the report correctly the Brown's have already agree to terms with thr 49ers. This is all on Aiyuk now and what contract he wants to sign.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Ya, I saw that but still don't know how they're getting it done, esp when, from what i understand, we fully eat that 20M on the books for Cooper even if he's in the trade.
Anyways, even if it's all true, I see him staying in SF, they'll give a slightly better offer imo and he signs.
Good discussion on this, Folks. Well done.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
CLE are almost every bit as good as SF, he'd only be downgrading in location.
Which, apparently SF is a warzone these days, but still...
jabarony
Footballguy
Watson's time is just about up anyhow. The Jameis show is about to premiere! He's going to try for a 40TD 40INT season this time around.
jtd13
Footballguy
I'm just going by the previous report that Cleveland wasn't on the list of teams he asked to go to, not saying they are a worse team or situation. Maybe that info has been debunked and I missed it.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
No, i get it... I dont think he picks CLE, solely off location. Why move, really? SF will sweeten slightly, imo and he stays.
But id be happy (pending payout) to get him in CLE
massraider
Footballguy
If they are at the point where we are seeing actual trade agreements, then I think that ship has sailed. (My opinion is assuming that the reports from @MaioccoNBCS are correct.)
If they have given Aiyuk's agent permission to talk to teams, then I don't think they are close on the money. Maiocco had been pretty skeptical of a trade happening until this most recent report.
I feel like this is possible, and maybe happens occasionally in the NFL, but in this case I think they are actually preparing to move on from him. Only because WR is such a premium position, that
if a team is trying to trade for him, they are prepared to give him the
.Let's say SF wants to play it out, let him finish out his deal, then maaayybe extend him, or trade him, or franchise him, or whatever. Aiyuk gets 14 mill for this year, and then who knows when his next paycheck is? They will franchise him, but that's not ideal, and that'll be 20-something mill for one year.
30-something million over two years, with no injury security net. Or NE or CLE gives him $40 million this week. Not this year. This week. Plus another 40 mill in guarantees. DJ Moore just got 82 mill guaranteed. You give anyone $40 mill, they will find things about your team to love.
Maybe the guarantees are close, and Aiyuk will see that, and stay, but I think if SF was going to give him a market value contract (or close to it), then it never would have gotten this far.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
San Fran has been to the SB twice in the last five years- including last season. They won their division 3 of the last 5 years, including the last two years. There isn't even a Cleveland Brown player who was alive the last time the Browns won the division.
cdclopper
Footballguy
well as long as jerry jeudy is ok with it.Jerry Jeudy would welcome Aiyuk to Browns
Browns star receiver would welcome Brandon Aiyuk in trade with 49ers
The Cleveland Browns trading for San Francisco 49ers wide receiver Brandon Aiyuk may be wishful thinking for the AFC organization and those who cover it....www.49erswebzone.com
FarFromHome
Footballguy
We can assume the #1 priority for players is money. Then we always read reports about players wanting to win. I've always wondered how much the actual location factors in. For example. If the money is the same would a player choose a horrible place to actually live with a solid team over a wonderful place to live with a bad team.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I would think lower income taxes for your home games would be a factor too. Also what places are really horrible to live in? Buffalo maybe? I hear a lot of players complain about it. Green Bay seems boring but most are major cities with lots to do and very nice suburbs- weather being the biggest variant.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Is there any indication he wants out of SF? I thought he just wanted money.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Hard to say. I think with the amount of money he is expected to make living in California would be really nice. Felt weird to even type that. Middle class in California would be unlivable for me. Rich as hell in California works for me. Just my opinion, as someone who has literally lived all over the world, sorry to those I'm about to offend, but living in Cleveland or Pittsburgh just doesn't seem like something I'd smile about. Once again, sorry to those who enjoy it. We are all wired differently.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The winters are rough but you don’t have to actually reside there. Get a place for July-Jan. Spend the offseason in Florida or Cali or Arizona or wherever you want. But yeah I get what you mean for sure.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Sure, I don't disagree that SF is a better team, but I don't think the difference is all that big.
I think a lot of it has to do with how spectacular the AFC is compared to the NFC. Browns division is significantly better as well.
So ya, Niners are better, but I don't think by too much.
massraider
Footballguy
I wonder if two residences might eat up the savings of no state income taxes.
This can be a productive thread. Even if you think that, don't do stuff like this trying to ruin it.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Hope there is some kind of resolution here. Keep and sign. Trade and extend. Something.
Feels like some posters continually said there is no chance of him leaving the 49ers and there seems to be a lot of smoke here. Anyone that was very stuck on him not going anywhere care to see if their opinion has wavered now?
Feels like some posters continually said there is no chance of him leaving the 49ers and there seems to be a lot of smoke here. Anyone that was very stuck on him not going anywhere care to see if their opinion has wavered now?
massraider
Footballguy
What would a Patriots trade package look like?
I saw the Kendrick Bourne thing, but that was thrown around by Twitter randos.
Maybe the price is next year's #1, and Polk. or Baker.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Following up on the other teams in the conversation, SF is listed at 11.5 and Cleveland at 8.5.
massraider
Footballguy
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- The San Francisco 49ers are now willing to listen to trade offers for Brandon Aiyuk and have given the star wide receiver permission to negotiate a contract with other teams, sources told ESPN.
It represents a significant change for the 49ers, who did not have the same willingness to listen to trade offers at the start of training camp, sources said.
The New England Patriots and Cleveland Browns both have been in contact with the Niners and are interested in trading for Aiyuk, sources told ESPN. The Pittsburgh Steelers also were interested but do not appear to be a potential trade destination any longer, according to sources.
The Patriots have been attempting to acquire Aiyuk for months, and it has been a slow process from their side, according to sources.
It's still a fluid situation that could lead to several outcomes, including Aiyuk staying with the 49ers and playing out the fifth-year option on his rookie deal that would pay him $14.124 million, sources said. Other teams are willing to pay Aiyuk more than twice as much, but he has balked so far at multiple offers, according to sources.
The 49ers also have to be comfortable with any trade compensation, and sources told ESPN that the reigning NFC champions are willing to keep Aiyuk.
NBC Sports Bay Area reported late Monday night that the 49ers have "negotiated the framework of trades" that would send Aiyuk to the Patriots or Browns.
Aiyuk, 26, reported for the 49ers' training camp but has not practiced as he seeks a new deal.
The Patriots' lengthy pursuit of Aiyuk traces back to February, when executive vice president of player personnel Eliot Wolf shared his hope to "weaponize the offense." The Patriots selected Drake Maye with the No. 3 overall pick in the draft, and one of their goals has been to surround the former North Carolina quarterback with more talent to aid in his development.
New England attempted in March to sign free agent wide receiver Calvin Ridley, who ultimately landed with the Tennessee Titans on a four-year, $92 million deal.
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It represents a significant change for the 49ers, who did not have the same willingness to listen to trade offers at the start of training camp, sources said.
The New England Patriots and Cleveland Browns both have been in contact with the Niners and are interested in trading for Aiyuk, sources told ESPN. The Pittsburgh Steelers also were interested but do not appear to be a potential trade destination any longer, according to sources.
The Patriots have been attempting to acquire Aiyuk for months, and it has been a slow process from their side, according to sources.
It's still a fluid situation that could lead to several outcomes, including Aiyuk staying with the 49ers and playing out the fifth-year option on his rookie deal that would pay him $14.124 million, sources said. Other teams are willing to pay Aiyuk more than twice as much, but he has balked so far at multiple offers, according to sources.
The 49ers also have to be comfortable with any trade compensation, and sources told ESPN that the reigning NFC champions are willing to keep Aiyuk.
NBC Sports Bay Area reported late Monday night that the 49ers have "negotiated the framework of trades" that would send Aiyuk to the Patriots or Browns.
Aiyuk, 26, reported for the 49ers' training camp but has not practiced as he seeks a new deal.
The Patriots' lengthy pursuit of Aiyuk traces back to February, when executive vice president of player personnel Eliot Wolf shared his hope to "weaponize the offense." The Patriots selected Drake Maye with the No. 3 overall pick in the draft, and one of their goals has been to surround the former North Carolina quarterback with more talent to aid in his development.
New England attempted in March to sign free agent wide receiver Calvin Ridley, who ultimately landed with the Tennessee Titans on a four-year, $92 million deal.
Sources: Pats, Browns eye Niners' Aiyuk in trade
The 49ers are willing to listen to trade offers for Brandon Aiyuk, who has drawn significant interest from the Patriots and Browns, sources told ESPN.
I listened to Maiocco's podcast last night. According to his sources, which are certainly with the team, Aiyuk hasn't ever given them an actual counteroffer. This recent public disclosure was, at least in part, an effort to get Aiyuk to do something as the team is getting frustrated with the fact that they are burning training camp time and not making any progress. I don't think that makes it unlikely that he gets traded, but this seems like it's been a highly unusual negotiation.
Boston
Footballguy
The 1st rounder is a complete non-starter…that would be a deal that could set the franchise back…it has a chance to be the #1 pick and I would be absolutely shocked if it is not top 10…dealing that and giving Aiyuk a monster deal makes no sense for where this franchise currently is.
Gotta believe their #2 would be involved as far as picks are concerned…Judon would be a nice addition and help San Fran short-term but at his age and him looking for $ not sure if he appeals to them…as far as young players go Baker, Pop and Polk would probably be appealing but with San Fran in win-now mode and already having drafted Pearsall not sure how much they would value them…if I was San Fran some players I would be asking about are Keon White as well as one of their young CBs like Gonzalez, Marcus Jones and Alex Austin…not sure if the Pats would deal White or Gonzalez but those are the two I would be targeting if I was San Fran…something in the ballpark of White, Polk, and their #2 (or at least two of those assets and something else thrown in) would be a really nice haul for San Fran and quite honestly I would rather the Pats not do if they believe Polk is legit.
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greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Rose colored glasses take- in NE, he's trading efficiency for volume. The OLine is half a wreck and nobody knows whether or not the system and coaches will be able to generate offense. But Aiyuk might clear 170 targets in NE.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Not gonna lie I learned something.today. After further review, intense research, and along with a few phone calls, I can indeed confirm your correct. Ha ha
And don't do this either.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I suggested that very thing, yes.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
NE is a 2-win team without Aiyuk and a 3-win team with him. They will be run heavy to try to keep games within reach and to not completely wear out the defense. The Pats will be lucky to crack 3,000 passing yards and will have to pray to keep whoever lines up under center from ending up in intensive care. Maye is nowhere close to ready to see live snaps. The OL is a total mess (two guys went on IR this week and another may miss half the season or more), the WRs have little to no experience, yet somehow the WR group has more experience than the coaching staff. The Pats have spent nearly $400 million to bring back the same guys from last year's team that many people said was completely lacking in talent. And for those that think the defense will be a top tier defense, when BB moved on from the Giants, the same defense gave up 86 more points the following year. When BB left CLE, the Ravens allowed 85 more points the following year. IMO, this coaching staff is trying to cobble together a team that will hopefully have some foundational pieces for their replacements in a few years. I expect the 2024 Pats to be a train wreck.
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Banger
Footballguy
I'm probably in the minority but I feel that Aiyuk is a great 1B but I'm not sure that he would be nearly as successful as the clear #1 facing the top corner each week. He's in a perfect spot right now with a great coach who puts players in the best spot to succeed, he has a true #1 RB and WR that the offense runs through and a very solid TE. Is he really any better than Tee Higgins / Waddle ? I've seen it many, many times where the #2 from good offense / great QB gets a huge contract to be #1 and more times than not it seems that the player under performs expectations.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I was going to post the same thing. Market value for a #1 WR would probably be a mid 1st (see, AJ Brown trade).
I don't think NE would deal their 1st which they must assume will be a top 10. It would probably be a 2nd rounder plus something.
Cleveland OTOH would probably give up a 1st if they were just using draft capital, but if they are putting Amari Cooper in a deal as has been speculated here, then I would think they wouldn't also be sending a 1st, it would just be player for player and maybe some lower (say 5-7th rounds) picks.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ricky making his call.
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If you don't follow him, he's been SUPER early and uncannily accurate on some things.
He’s not uncannily accurate. He allegedly throws spaghetti against the wall, and when 1 noodle sticks he deletes the 20 noodles that didn’t.
At least according to the more seasoned veteran reporters who’ve called him out for it.
Though he is oddly adamant about the Steelers.
Then again, he also has said the deal was done yesterday, then reportedly deleted those tweets when it wasn’t.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Mary Kay Cabot suggested it would be Cooper and a 2nd + 4th.
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