WR Calvin Ridley, TEN (1 Viewer)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Your calculator sucks because I don't know anyone that would trade the 1.06 for Ridley right now.  Even if he's coming back in 2022, what's to say he won't quit again?  His true value is in the early 2nd range IMO.

I mean, that’s the risk. 

I agree with you (not that my calc sucks, just that he may not be worth that). Lol

 

[Blick]

Your calculator sucks because I don't know anyone that would trade the 1.06 for Ridley right now.  Even if he's coming back in 2022, what's to say he won't quit again?  His true value is in the early 2nd range IMO.

There is no way I'd trade him for an early 2nd.  I'll just go down with the ship.  The proven upside is too high.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Certain type of mental health issues (i.e. bi-polar disorder) don’t start showing signs in boys until their early 20s - so he wouldn’t necessarily have to have a past.

A woman I spent 2+ years of my life with was diagnosed bipolar at 26 (many years before we met) - out of nowhere she started having manic episodes, and ended up in a psyche ward with a suitcase packed, certain that aliens were going to come pick her up at any time. . When they finally figured out what was going on & determined the correct lithium dose, she was, for all intents and purposes, “normal” again. Never had an issue when we were together. 

it can happen to anyone at any time. Prior to that relationship I was a bit callus towards mental health issues. I’m far more empathetic now. 

The sad reality is that some who suffer mental breaks never achieve “normal” again.

And back to Ridley specifically, pro athletes are under enormous strain to perform, and on a massively public stage. I can only imagine this compounds the issue & may impact success rates. 

 

[-OZ-]

Your calculator sucks because I don't know anyone that would trade the 1.06 for Ridley right now.  Even if he's coming back in 2022, what's to say he won't quit again?  His true value is in the early 2nd range IMO.

Fwiw, hindery has him equal to the 1.06. 

 

[menobrown]

it’s just hard to predict what’s going to happen with him. 

I'm not concerned and don't need a lesson on mental illness either. Keep in mind trading him for also does not mean holding him forever.

And I'd add that let's say you are concerned with his outcome we are talking his value in draft capital.  No one can tell me the outcome of the picks you get for him are predictable and I'd even go as far as saying a few high drafted RB's are borderline can't miss. But his value right now does not get your or cost those type of picks.

 

[higgins]

I see there's more "noise" happening (w/o news) -- carry on.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm not concerned and don't need a lesson on mental illness either. Keep in mind trading him for also does not mean holding him forever.

And I'd add that let's say you are concerned with his outcome we are talking his value in draft capital.  No one can tell me the outcome of the picks you get for him are predictable and I'd even go as far as saying a few high drafted RB's are borderline can't miss. But his value right now does not get your or cost those type of picks.

A fair approach.

I don’t agree that he’s dramatically undervalued though - it seems like the risks are baked into his price. It seems like you’re acknowledging that here. 

Good luck to you if you go out and get him. 

I suspect many owners will be like @Blick & hold to see what happens. They were teased by a breakout 2020 only to be let down by 2021.  If I had him I’d likely feel the same and hold.  But then, I hate selling low. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Fwiw, hindery has him equal to the 1.06. 

Guess my calc isn’t that bad.

 

[ghostguy123]

I would be much more inclined to draft him early in a redraft league.  A miss there is one season.  A miss in dynasty can last years and years, so I prefer not to spend much on someone like Ridley for dynasty purposes.

 

[ChiefD]

If Ridley ends up being traded, the Chiefs might be in on this. There has been some speculation here locally about this. With Veach's aggressiveness it would not shock me one bit.

Something to keep an eye on.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If Ridley ends up being traded, the Chiefs might be in on this. There has been some speculation here locally about this. With Veach's aggressiveness it would not shock me one bit.

Something to keep an eye on.

If Ridley goes to the Chiefs, that’s going to be enough tantalizing upside to off-set any risk. 

It would create a very intriguing ADP for him in redraft. Dare I suggest an early-to-mid 2nd? 

I was burned by drafting Ridley 2.12 in 2021. And if it’s Mahomes-to-Ridley, risk be damned, I’d be right back in. 

 

[menobrown]

If Ridley ends up being traded, the Chiefs might be in on this.

I've heard that as well and it's enticing and like I will continue to say where he goes is a bigger deal to me then if he plays.

On flip side have also heard NE(I know cap issues but a lot of chatter), PHI and Jets as teams with capital and/or need for him. Most of these places are not great to me.

I would venture to guess if Ridley and the team believe a fresh start is best for him, and I think this is where it's going, due to his mental health they would try to send him somewhere he wants to go but I'd have zero idea what he's looking for right now.

 

[JohnnyU]

Fwiw, hindery has him equal to the 1.06. 

That means nothing if no one would give you the 1.06 for Ridley.  If he is going to play in 2022, anything short of going to the Chiefs or another top offense with a great QB, I still don't see anyone giving the 1.06 for him.  I doubt anyone would give a 1st period.  You know, burn me once shame on me.....

 

[-OZ-]

That means nothing if no one would give you the 1.06 for Ridley.  If he is going to play in 2022, anything short of going to the Chiefs or another top offense with a great QB, I still don't see anyone giving the 1.06 for him.  I doubt anyone would give a 1st period.  You know, burn me once shame on me.....

every league is different of course. 
I’m just saying I’m holding unless offered at least the 6. I wouldn’t trade the 4 in that league but would jump at an offer of Ridley for the 1.13 in the only other league I have a first. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Ok, question for the Ridley shareholders:

let’s say hypothetically, he’s dealt to the Chiefs, and announces that he’s in a better place mentally, ready to roll for 2023.

Do you 

1. sell high on the immediate value bump?

or

2. hold and consider yourself lucky as heck that it all worked out after a tough 2021? 

 

[ghostguy123]

Ok, question for the Ridley shareholders:

let’s say hypothetically, he’s dealt to the Chiefs, and announces that he’s in a better place mentally, ready to roll for 2023.

Do you 

1. sell high on the immediate value bump?

Yes.  

 

[Birdie048]

If Ridley ends up being traded, the Chiefs might be in on this. There has been some speculation here locally about this. With Veach's aggressiveness it would not shock me one bit.

Something to keep an eye on.

 

[JohnnyU]

Before it was the Patriots that every player is going to sign with or be traded to.  Now it is the Chiefs.  There is no indication that Ridley would go to the Chiefs.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Before it was the Patriots that every player is going to sign with or be traded to.  Now it is the Chiefs.  There is no indication that Ridley would go to the Chiefs.

The Chiefs also seem to be pretty pleased with what Pringle has offered them down the stretch. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see them comfortably going to next year with Pringle as their WR2, while addressing other needs (defense defense & more defense) 

 

[ffmail4me]

Possibly so, but one would have to be very brave to make that gamble. 

Very true, but no riskit no biscuit 

 

[Birdie048]

Ok, question for the Ridley shareholders:

let’s say hypothetically, he’s dealt to the Chiefs, and announces that he’s in a better place mentally, ready to roll for 2023.

Do you 

1. sell high on the immediate value bump?

or

2. hold and consider yourself lucky as heck that it all worked out after a tough 2021? 

As a Ridley owner who acquired him RIGHT BEFORE he went out, I would HOLD.  I am in rebuild.  His value for the next few years was the goal I was looking for - WR1 value until he is 32 yo.  

 

[ghostguy123]

As a Ridley owner who acquired him RIGHT BEFORE he went out, I would HOLD.  I am in rebuild.  His value for the next few years was the goal I was looking for - WR1 value until he is 32 yo.  

WHo is the last WR to be a WR-1 up until age 32?

 

[JohnnyU]

WHo is the last WR to be a WR-1 up until age 32?

Here are a few and some extend beyond age 32. 

Jerry Rice - Rice teamed up with Rich Gannon to catch 83 passes for 1,139 yards and nine touchdowns, then went over 1,000 yards again in 2002 at the age of 40.

Keyshawn Johnson - In his first season for Dallas, he teamed up with quarterback Vinny Testaverde to grab 70 catches for 981 yards and six touchdowns, then in 2005, running routes for new quarterback Drew Bledsoe, led the team with 71 receptions. He finished out his career in Carolina in 2006, catching 70 more balls for 815 yards and four touchdowns.

Joey Galloway - at age 34 and began catching passes from a combination of Chris Simms (10 starts) and Brian Griese (six starts), logging his best season as a pro: 83 catches for 1,287 yards and 10 scores. He followed that up with two more 1,000-yard campaigns, catching passes from a mishmash of quarterbacks like Bruce Gradkowski, Simms, Tim Rattay, Jeff Garcia, and Luke McCown, and became the first player in Tampa Bay franchise history with three-straight 1,000 yard receiving seasons.

Terrell Owens  - At age 31, In his first campaign with the Eagles, Owens teamed up with Donovan McNabb to catch 77 passes for 1,200 yards and 14 touchdowns.

Derrick Mason - a 31-year-old Mason signed with the Ravens for the 2005 season. In his first year with Baltimore, he paired up with quarterbacks Kyle Boller (nine starts) and Anthony Wright (seven starts) to catch 86 balls for 1,073 yards and three scores. Over the next five years, which spanned from his age-32 season to his age-36 season, he caught passes from Boller, Steve McNair, Troy Smith, and Joe Flacco, and went over 1,000 yards three times while averaging 77 catches a year.

Randy Moss - It was an incredible steal for New England, as Moss became part of one of the most devastating offenses of all time, pairing up with Brady to catch 98 passes for 1,493 yards and 23 touchdowns (his fourth time leading the league in touchdowns, and still the record for most scores in a single season). Moss caught another 69 passes for 1,008 yards and 11 TDs at the as a 31-year-old in 2008, then added another 83 balls for 1,264 yards and 13 scores in 2009 (again leading the league). 

Anquan Boldin - With extraordinary physicality and a rare ability to box out defenders with his body, Boldin spent the next three years (his age-33, -34, and -35 seasons) ambling around the field while hauling in 237 passes for 3,030 yards and 16 touchdowns for San Francisco. The wily vet then signed in Detroit last year, and just kept on with his Energizer Bunny impression. Paired up with Matt Stafford, the 36-year old caught 67 passes and had eight scores.

Wes Welker - 32 year old - His first year in Denver didn’t disappoint: Welker caught 73 passes for 778 yards and 10 touchdowns in the most prolific scoring offense ever.

There are others, but I'm too tired to look it up.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Here are a few and some extend beyond age 32. 

Jerry Rice - Rice teamed up with Rich Gannon to catch 83 passes for 1,139 yards and nine touchdowns, then went over 1,000 yards again in 2002 at the age of 40.

Keyshawn Johnson - In his first season for Dallas, he teamed up with quarterback Vinny Testaverde to grab 70 catches for 981 yards and six touchdowns, then in 2005, running routes for new quarterback Drew Bledsoe, led the team with 71 receptions. He finished out his career in Carolina in 2006, catching 70 more balls for 815 yards and four touchdowns.

Joey Galloway - at age 34 and began catching passes from a combination of Chris Simms (10 starts) and Brian Griese (six starts), logging his best season as a pro: 83 catches for 1,287 yards and 10 scores. He followed that up with two more 1,000-yard campaigns, catching passes from a mishmash of quarterbacks like Bruce Gradkowski, Simms, Tim Rattay, Jeff Garcia, and Luke McCown, and became the first player in Tampa Bay franchise history with three-straight 1,000 yard receiving seasons.

Terrell Owens  - At age 31, In his first campaign with the Eagles, Owens teamed up with Donovan McNabb to catch 77 passes for 1,200 yards and 14 touchdowns.

Derrick Mason - a 31-year-old Mason signed with the Ravens for the 2005 season. In his first year with Baltimore, he paired up with quarterbacks Kyle Boller (nine starts) and Anthony Wright (seven starts) to catch 86 balls for 1,073 yards and three scores. Over the next five years, which spanned from his age-32 season to his age-36 season, he caught passes from Boller, Steve McNair, Troy Smith, and Joe Flacco, and went over 1,000 yards three times while averaging 77 catches a year.

Randy Moss - It was an incredible steal for New England, as Moss became part of one of the most devastating offenses of all time, pairing up with Brady to catch 98 passes for 1,493 yards and 23 touchdowns (his fourth time leading the league in touchdowns, and still the record for most scores in a single season). Moss caught another 69 passes for 1,008 yards and 11 TDs at the as a 31-year-old in 2008, then added another 83 balls for 1,264 yards and 13 scores in 2009 (again leading the league). 

Anquan Boldin - With extraordinary physicality and a rare ability to box out defenders with his body, Boldin spent the next three years (his age-33, -34, and -35 seasons) ambling around the field while hauling in 237 passes for 3,030 yards and 16 touchdowns for San Francisco. The wily vet then signed in Detroit last year, and just kept on with his Energizer Bunny impression. Paired up with Matt Stafford, the 36-year old caught 67 passes and had eight scores.

Wes Welker - 32 year old - His first year in Denver didn’t disappoint: Welker caught 73 passes for 778 yards and 10 touchdowns in the most prolific scoring offense ever.

There are others, but I'm too tired to look it up.

From 32 to 37, Tim Brown played 95 games, averaging 83/1088/7 per 17. 

Not quite WR1, but way start-able as a WR2. 

At 35 dude had 91/1165/9

 

[ghostguy123]

So basically nobody in 15 years?  Makes it a hard thing to expect no?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So basically nobody in 15 years?  Makes it a hard thing to expect no?

If I had him I'd be selling as soon as the virtual ink was dry on whatever update finally comes out saying he's playing. 

 

[Blick]

It’s probably foolish to look at last year’s class to get an indication of Ridley’s value in this one. However, by all accounts the 2022 class will be weaker. Right now, with the benefit of seeing these guys for a season, I’d only take the bolded over him. 

Harris, Chase, Pitts, Williams, Etienne, Smith, Waddle, Lawrence, Bateman, Fields, Carter, Lance

There is no one else in the 2021 draft in the 2nd or 3rd I’d take over Ridley.

The 2020 class was loaded.

CEH, Taylor, Jeudy, Swift, Dobbins, Lamb, Akers, Jefferson, Ruggs, Reagor,  Burrow, Higgins

Again, there is no one in the 2nd or 3rd rounds I’d take over him.

Unless you think the risk of Ridley returning is too high, I don’t see anyway I’d take less than a mid 1st.  

 

[barackdhouse]

That means nothing if no one would give you the 1.06 for Ridley.  If he is going to play in 2022, anything short of going to the Chiefs or another top offense with a great QB, I still don't see anyone giving the 1.06 for him.  I doubt anyone would give a 1st period.  You know, burn me once shame on me.....

I would pay 1.06 for Ridley right now. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would pay 1.06 for Ridley right now. 

Propose it to the Ridley owner in whichever of your leagues you have a 1.06 (there has to be one) 

report back. For science! 
 

 

[barackdhouse]

Propose it to the Ridley owner in whichever of your leagues you have a 1.06 (there has to be one) 

report back. For science! 
 

You know I don't think I do have the 1.06 anywhere but I am gonna look now. 

 

[-OZ-]

You know I don't think I do have the 1.06 anywhere but I am gonna look now. 

Look at the not average guy. 

 

[JohnnyU]

I would pay 1.06 for Ridley right now. 

I wish you were in the one league I have him.  Please tell me you are.

 

[menobrown]

I would pay 1.06 for Ridley right now. 

I'm in similar boat with no picks in that range. Have already offered later picks like 11/12 to no avail.

Really only pick of mine later then 4 that I've not offered for him(and don't already own him) is a pick 8 and I'm working on another way of acquiring him in that league due to WR depth and cuts coming.

But for sure I view Ridley>1.6 in a vacuum.

Probably the strangest thing to me about this whole Ridley discussion is people keep talking about the risk on Ridley but not acknowledging that the pick or player it takes to acquire Ridley is not exactly one without question marks.

 

[habsfan]

Probably the strangest thing to me about this whole Ridley discussion is people keep talking about the risk on Ridley but not acknowledging that the pick or player it takes to acquire Ridley is not exactly one without question marks.

The pick may fall short of expectations but Ridley could go full on Ricky Williams on you. He's made some money and may ride off into the sunset.

 

[menobrown]

The pick may fall short of expectations but Ridley could go full on Ricky Williams on you. He's made some money and may ride off into the sunset.

I think you say some of this in jest but as a point of clarification:

Ricky only rode off because if he stayed he was getting suspended.

Ridley's career earnings are actually just over $5m. He's got 3 brothers and fairly tough family history of a single mom who struggled raising them. One of those brothers, Riley, made a little over $1m in his career which is likely about over. He's made some money for him and his family but he's just now sitting on the point in his contract when major money starts coming his way, with his worst case being more then doubling his career earnings just next year alone. Money IMO would be an extremely massive and motivating reason for him to fight whatever ails him and try to make a successful return.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

1st thing I thought of was that Ridley cannot travel to London due to whatever the local mask/mandates/vaccination rules are and that's about as far as we can discuss things. That said I find it hard to believe he is the ONLY one on 2 NFL teams right now so my brain says it might be more family related and the way Atlanta says Ridley has their full support, he might be going thru something really terrible so I would prefer to just send best wishes until we know more. 

-This was how I clearly felt on Oct 7th when we were just getting the first bits of news on this...I was very soft to the mental health angle but just because you want to believe someone or do believe them doesn't mean that you just allow for any type of behavior and actions, cannot stress that enough.  

-3.5 weeks later i wrote the next post and I am reposting what I thought were 3 quality posters that had some immediate takes/responses on my post AND they got a lot of "Hearts" and likes so many agreed with them, let's see if old MoP looks as ridiculous in hindsight as we roll into February and now talk of a trade which is exactly what we zoned in on back in early Nov. 

I think going forward, owners/GMs must have wording and language in the contract that discusses these types of issues. I am not down playing the legitimacy of his illness but I think its highly unfair to the other 51-52, however many players, coaches, companies have a lot invested and it can't just be at the player's discretion anytime they want to seek help for mental illness. I would expect he is checking into a "Facility" immediately and is under round the clock care until they can get to the root of the problem. 

I hope he can find what he needs. 

Sounds like you have no idea what mental illness involves at all. Bad take all around.

Yea that's not how it works. He could be seeing a shrink regularly. Could be on medication for anxiety and depression already. Sometimes people that suffer from these kinds of illnesses can have an episode at any time. I have multiple family members with this and it's not something you can prepare for. You can only treat as best as you can. 

Not angry with you, but I'm pretty sure the bolded is an epic fail.

Facts: Ridley is coming off a 90/1400/9TD performance last year, which was his 3rd year in the NFL, he was drafted 26th overall in the 1st round which means he could have been offered an extension by the Atlanta Falcons. 

Fact: April 28th, 2021 the Atlanta Falcons exercise their 5th year option for Ridley ensuring he will play in 2022 for $11M. 

MoP: Typically this paves the way for potential contract extensions but we also know that sometimes teams use these 5th year options because they aren't quite sold on the player, Winston in Tampa Bay was an example of this, the Bucs never wanted to be on the hook long term with him. 

The timing for Ridley could not be worse which would make most folks think he must be going thru some incredible pain right now at a time when he should be focused on football and contract #2 and his future. To override that and step away from the game must be very difficult for him. 

Somewhere between those facts and these recent events things have gone horribly wrong for Ridley.  

You also might want to read This USA Today, Falcons Wire where Ridley was quoted in January as being ready to sign an extension. 

so this guy legitimately just wanted to be traded?

soft as hell. that's so unbelievably lame of him. 

@MikeGarafolo

Weekend on the future of #Falcons WR Calvin Ridley. My read here is a trade is a very strong possibility. My colleague @wyche8 said recently both sides could be looking for a fresh start. I agree.

-It looks like Ridley might have used the mental illness card to try and force his way out of Atlanta, he wanted a contract extension per the link I put in back in January 2021 or at least he wanted the Falcons to be negotiating and getting him a fat contract extension like QBs get to typically sign if they were drafted in the 1st Rd, When Year 3 ends on a rookie deal and that player is already a Top-10 like at their position or higher, they better get the extension from their team or they are going to think twice about playing at the level the team wants them to play at. 

-I'm not doing tis post to make folks eat words, i respect what they posted in the moment and at the time of the information but it plays on emotions and it comes from an emotional place and therefore I think it's very difficult to make sound financial decisions, emotions don't typically help those matters. 

Facts: Ridley was eligible for a contract extension, maybe he heard crickets and took a different path. The season had already started and the Falcons had all summer or off season to get a deal in place or an extension and we never heard any details or news of those potential talks which leads me to believe the  Falcons for whatever reason misjudged what Ridley could do to force his way out. Now we are discussing trade possibilities, if this man is mentally ill or in that spectrum, what business does he have being on a football field? You can't have it both ways, it's an insult to those with severe mental issues that truly suffer. 

Cheers and please take the time to read what.I posted, I zoned in on folks I tend to have great discussions with so please don't take these the wrong way. 

 

[FBG Moderator]

Come on guys, just agree to disagree or something like that before the mods jump on you.  This is why we can't have nice things.

Thank you. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Facts: Ridley was eligible for a contract extension, maybe he heard crickets and took a different path. The season had already started and the Falcons had all summer or off season to get a deal in place or an extension and we never heard any details or news of those potential talks which leads me to believe the  Falcons for whatever reason misjudged what Ridley could do to force his way out. Now we are discussing trade possibilities, if this man is mentally ill or in that spectrum, what business does he have being on a football field? You can't have it both ways, it's an insult to those with severe mental issues that truly suffer. 

The only “fact” in here is that he was eligible for a contract extension. The rest is speculation and a misunderstanding as to what clinical depression entails.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

-It looks like Ridley might have used the mental illness card to try and force his way out of Atlanta, he wanted a contract extension per the link I put in back in January 2021 or at least he wanted the Falcons to be negotiating and getting him a fat contract extension like QBs get to typically sign if they were drafted in the 1st Rd, When Year 3 ends on a rookie deal and that player is already a Top-10 like at their position or higher, they better get the extension from their team or they are going to think twice about playing at the level the team wants them to play at. 

based on one unsubstantiated rumor/theory by a sportswriter? 

This isn’t exactly the stuff that victory laps are made of. 

I think this does a severe disservice to Ridley, who for all intents and purposes seems to be legitimately suffering. 

I have never heard of a “mental illness card” and I don’t see someone faking mental illness as a benefit to them financially or professionally. There’s a huge stigma about mental illness, and likely Ridley has cost himself millions in the process.

I find the speculation here to be nonsensical. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

based on one unsubstantiated rumor/theory by a sportswriter? 

This isn’t exactly the stuff that victory laps are made of. 

I think this does a severe disservice to Ridley, who for all intents and purposes seems to be legitimately suffering. 

I have never heard of a “mental illness card” and I don’t see someone faking mental illness as a benefit to them financially or professionally. There’s a huge stigma about mental illness, and likely Ridley has cost himself millions in the process.

I find the speculation here to be nonsensical. 

I can’t think of a worse strategy for someone trying to get a contract extension than faking a mental illness. How does that make sense to anyone?

 

[Buckna]

The Chiefs also seem to be pretty pleased with what Pringle has offered them down the stretch. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see them comfortably going to next year with Pringle as their WR2, while addressing other needs (defense defense & more defense) 

Pringle is an unrestricted Free Agent and will turn 29. Maybe they bring him back as I doubt he would cost much, but this will be his only chance to cash in. Chiefs are also going to be in a make every salary cap dollar count mode going forward. It seems unlikely they will spend big money on a WR2 any time soon (but they blew a bunch of money on the failed Sammy Watkins experiment so who knows?)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I can’t think of a worse strategy for someone trying to get a contract extension than faking a mental illness. How does that make sense to anyone?

I keep coming back to that. 

“I’ll show them! I’ll fake a mental illness so GMs will lack faith that I’ll come to play if they trade for me. It will also ensure that I never get a big payday! It’s the perfect plan!” 

-said no one ever

 

[travdogg]

The Chiefs also seem to be pretty pleased with what Pringle has offered them down the stretch. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see them comfortably going to next year with Pringle as their WR2, while addressing other needs (defense defense & more defense) 

I can't imagine the Chiefs not either using at least a day 2 draft pick on a WR, or signing a FA, which will be tough with their cap situation. 

Pringle looked like a low-end WR3 to me, arguably worse than Hardman. Ridley is almost certainly out of their range(though likely a perfect fit) but maybe somebody like AJ Green(or another vet who has already made big money) would come in for close to the veteran minimum to ring chase? 

I'd be really shocked if Ridley played anywhere but Atlanta next season. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'd be really shocked if Ridley played anywhere but Atlanta next season. 

I kind of feel the same. They’ve been so incredibly supportive of him through this issue. 

 

[Boston]

I can't imagine the Chiefs not either using at least a day 2 draft pick on a WR, or signing a FA, which will be tough with their cap situation. 

Pringle looked like a low-end WR3 to me, arguably worse than Hardman. Ridley is almost certainly out of their range(though likely a perfect fit) but maybe somebody like AJ Green(or another vet who has already made big money) would come in for close to the veteran minimum to ring chase? 

I'd be really shocked if Ridley played anywhere but Atlanta next season. 

Agreed that KC needs another legit weapon...if Kelce or Hill get hurt they could take a big step backwards...gotta believe they are in a spot where a veteran would take less $ to go there so it should not be too difficult to accomplish this....not sure what ARob is thinking moneywise but he would be a fantastic fit there if he is looking to chase a ring....if DJ Chark is looking to do a one year get your rep back year KC could make sense...Will Fuller and Jamison Crowder could be some low-$ adds as well.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Agreed that KC needs another legit weapon...if Kelce or Hill get hurt they could take a big step backwards...gotta believe they are in a spot where a veteran would take less $ to go there so it should not be too difficult to accomplish this....not sure what ARob is thinking moneywise but he would be a fantastic fit there if he is looking to chase a ring....if DJ Chark is looking to do a one year get your rep back year KC could make sense...Will Fuller and Jamison Crowder could be some low-$ adds as well.

I have no clue about the Chiefs cap situation but I do know that the Cowboys have a cap issue. I am dreaming of the Cowboys moving Cooper to the Chiefs for some cap relief.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I have no clue about the Chiefs cap situation but I do know that the Cowboys have a cap issue. I am dreaming of the Cowboys moving Cooper to the Chiefs for some cap relief.

IIRC, this is the year they can let Cooper walk and not suffer a massive cap hit.

I’d read this was their plan, but that was before the Gallup injury (though I’d read they weren’t interested in re-signing Gallup either). 

 

[Insein]

-This was how I clearly felt on Oct 7th when we were just getting the first bits of news on this...I was very soft to the mental health angle but just because you want to believe someone or do believe them doesn't mean that you just allow for any type of behavior and actions, cannot stress that enough.  

-3.5 weeks later i wrote the next post and I am reposting what I thought were 3 quality posters that had some immediate takes/responses on my post AND they got a lot of "Hearts" and likes so many agreed with them, let's see if old MoP looks as ridiculous in hindsight as we roll into February and now talk of a trade which is exactly what we zoned in on back in early Nov. 

-It looks like Ridley might have used the mental illness card to try and force his way out of Atlanta, he wanted a contract extension per the link I put in back in January 2021 or at least he wanted the Falcons to be negotiating and getting him a fat contract extension like QBs get to typically sign if they were drafted in the 1st Rd, When Year 3 ends on a rookie deal and that player is already a Top-10 like at their position or higher, they better get the extension from their team or they are going to think twice about playing at the level the team wants them to play at. 

-I'm not doing tis post to make folks eat words, i respect what they posted in the moment and at the time of the information but it plays on emotions and it comes from an emotional place and therefore I think it's very difficult to make sound financial decisions, emotions don't typically help those matters. 

Facts: Ridley was eligible for a contract extension, maybe he heard crickets and took a different path. The season had already started and the Falcons had all summer or off season to get a deal in place or an extension and we never heard any details or news of those potential talks which leads me to believe the  Falcons for whatever reason misjudged what Ridley could do to force his way out. Now we are discussing trade possibilities, if this man is mentally ill or in that spectrum, what business does he have being on a football field? You can't have it both ways, it's an insult to those with severe mental issues that truly suffer. 

Cheers and please take the time to read what.I posted, I zoned in on folks I tend to have great discussions with so please don't take these the wrong way. 

I disagree. Unlike Ben Simmons, Ridley was seeking help and getting therapy for it. The falcons fully supported him and even though he's asking for a trade now, I don't think that changes how it went. 

 

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The only “fact” in here is that he was eligible for a contract extension. The rest is speculation and a misunderstanding as to what clinical depression entails.

I posted quite a lot for you to shred it down to a simple "Middle Finger" and that's what you're doing, you're not really adding anything by trying so hard to be an expert and put ME DOWN for speaking my mind and what i find to be the truth. And also we now know that the April 28th Team exercise for a 5th year option has a large role in Ridley's sudden change in mental wellness during 2022. You can filter thru but I had a "Fact" post that was supported by Joe Bryant if we need to go to that level of judgement here(you sure are) which is what you're doing, you're judging me based on YOUR personal bias towards the subject. You're not even discussing Ridley, just shooting at MoP as usual when you don't like what I am saying. You offer NOTHING to support anything you are mad at me over, instead you want to try and play a bad hand. You're not furthering any discussion by putting me down for wanting to go back and have another look at this since it was so hotly debated earlier in the season and I did back off but never stopped questioning how and why he suddenly had mental illness as the season started unfolding. 

-You and others have opted to take Ridley at his word and not even question if Ridley used this as a negotiation or way to force his way on to another team/franchise. And even if he DIDN'T, the fact is there is a major loophole here for athletes to exercise a mental illness event and shut themselves down at any point they aren't happy. 

Cheers Doc Oct

 

[Ministry of Pain]

based on one unsubstantiated rumor/theory by a sportswriter? 

This isn’t exactly the stuff that victory laps are made of. 

I think this does a severe disservice to Ridley, who for all intents and purposes seems to be legitimately suffering. 

I have never heard of a “mental illness card” and I don’t see someone faking mental illness as a benefit to them financially or professionally. There’s a huge stigma about mental illness, and likely Ridley has cost himself millions in the process.

I find the speculation here to be nonsensical. 

"Victory Lap" ???  

-i'm sorry, it's not a victory lap, it's been many months since news first broke about Ridley, conveniently after the Falcons exercised their 5th year option in April which means Ridley would not be getting huge signing bonus type money in 2022 and likely 2023, maybe not even in '24 if the franchise tag is used and he wanted something else. We have to explore that thought or arc IMHO at this point. 

-We all sided with Ridley at the start but I haven't heard of progress or what was implemented to help him get better...I'm all ears, would love to read a news report about the great advances he discovered in the mental health community that he must have explored since he claimed he was having mental issues and could no longer honor his commitment to the Atlanta Falcons. We're not talking about a school kid who was bullied here. 

-It's awesome that most of you have no personal connections to Ridley but are in here defending him with every ounce in your soul because you either have been impacted or know someone...out of respect for everyone I won't get into all the things I have been involved with over my lifetime but I have a Psychology degree, it's not that old either and it's infuriating to see people that IMO likely have never even taken a basic psychology class but are total experts on these metal illness issues when they teach you right upfront that Psychology is a very inexact science before you even crack the first book. 

-So MoP is just amazed how many folks in here got the mental illness market cornered, fascinating truly. 

Not mad at you HSG, not at all

-Cheers Bud