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WR Chris Henry Gets Permission For Tryout (1 Viewer)

Andy Herron

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Former Bengal Chris Henry will be allowed to travel to other cities in hopes of reviving his professional football career, a judge ruled today.

Henry’s attorney, Perry Ancona, previously asked Hamilton County Municipal Court Judge Rich Bernat if Henry could be released from electronic monitoring and house arrest so he could travel to another city and try out for a National Football League team.

The judge denied that request until today, when Ancona repeated that Henry has an offer to try out for an unnamed NFL team and needs to be allowed to travel.

“We’re willing to give him some latitude given the fact that he obviously needs to find some employment,” Bernat said.

Before Henry will be allowed to travel for tryouts, he must bring a letter from the NFL team.

Oh boy, now what? :popcorn:

 
I would guess it's one of the following:BucsCowboysRaiders
As a Henry owner I would be very happy with any of those situation and could see him becoming the #1 there before long.As long as he can stay out of trouble that is.
 
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This could get interesting.

For one, isn't Henry looking at a suspension for his latest gaffe? I'm figuring at least a year. I know there are different parameters, as to whether a player can serve his suspension regardless of whether he's on a roster or not. Others must serve only if and when they are signed. Don't know where this line is drawn. Anybody?

Number two, Goodell has stated recently that "teams" may incurr a penalty in the future when bringing in troubled players for another chance if troubles continue. I don't know if that would mean "no salary cap relief" upon his being cut or suspended after the fact or what. Again, anybody?

 
The last thing Henry need is a judge bending the rules on house arrest. Let him learn his lesson!

 
Number two, Goodell has stated recently that "teams" may incurr a penalty in the future when bringing in troubled players for another chance if troubles continue. I don't know if that would mean "no salary cap relief" upon his being cut or suspended after the fact or what. Again, anybody?
IMO this is nonsense and Goodell is overstepping his bounds as commissioner. If an owner wants to take a multimillion dollar risk on a troubled player, as a businessperson that is their prerogative. The team's "penalty" is sinking millions into an investment and potentially getting no return. Not to mention the bad PR associated with damaging their brand. Goodell's job is to discipline individual players, not to penalize a team for signing that player.
 
Number two, Goodell has stated recently that "teams" may incurr a penalty in the future when bringing in troubled players for another chance if troubles continue. I don't know if that would mean "no salary cap relief" upon his being cut or suspended after the fact or what. Again, anybody?
IMO this is nonsense and Goodell is overstepping his bounds as commissioner. If an owner wants to take a multimillion dollar risk on a troubled player, as a businessperson that is their prerogative. The team's "penalty" is sinking millions into an investment and potentially getting no return. Not to mention the bad PR associated with damaging their brand. Goodell's job is to discipline individual players, not to penalize a team for signing that player.
Can't argue with that.I was just simply pointing it out, being that teams are going to have to take things into consideration.
 
dont ya think that Goodell will suspend him for a year?
He hasn't been convicted of anything yet, has he?It's a likelihood if he gets convicted, unlikely if he does not. The Bungles didn't wait to find out what happened, they just cut him. I understand why, but if nothing comes of this then another team will land a talented young receiver without having to trade anything away.EDIT: Wouldn't he look good in Martz offense? :woot:
 
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dont ya think that Goodell will suspend him for a year?
He hasn't been convicted of anything yet, has he?It's a likelihood if he gets convicted, unlikely if he does not. The Bungles didn't wait to find out what happened, they just cut him. I understand why, but if nothing comes of this then another team will land a talented young receiver without having to trade anything away.

EDIT: Wouldn't he look good in Martz offense? :woot:
Having you been paying attention to the headlines in the NFL concerning Goodell the past couple of years. Reality check for you: The FACT is Goodell does not wait for convictions to suspend players.

 
dont ya think that Goodell will suspend him for a year?
He hasn't been convicted of anything yet, has he?It's a likelihood if he gets convicted, unlikely if he does not. The Bungles didn't wait to find out what happened, they just cut him. I understand why, but if nothing comes of this then another team will land a talented young receiver without having to trade anything away.

EDIT: Wouldn't he look good in Martz offense? :woot:
Having you been paying attention to the headlines in the NFL concerning Goodell the past couple of years. Reality check for you: The FACT is Goodell does not wait for convictions to suspend players.
:goodposting: - Henry has already been suspended for 8 games just last year

- he has had multiple incedents since the end of last season

- he got cut by the bengals

His goose is cooked

 
Number two, Goodell has stated recently that "teams" may incurr a penalty in the future when bringing in troubled players for another chance if troubles continue. I don't know if that would mean "no salary cap relief" upon his being cut or suspended after the fact or what. Again, anybody?
IMO this is nonsense and Goodell is overstepping his bounds as commissioner. If an owner wants to take a multimillion dollar risk on a troubled player, as a businessperson that is their prerogative. The team's "penalty" is sinking millions into an investment and potentially getting no return. Not to mention the bad PR associated with damaging their brand. Goodell's job is to discipline individual players, not to penalize a team for signing that player.
Goodell's job is also to protect6 the image of the league. And since you brought up "brand," every team in the NFL is securely attached to the brand of the NFL, therefore, what's bad for the Bengals, or any other team, is bad for the NFL as far as image. Therefore, embarrassing incidents for NFL franchises are very much Goodell's concern. If he allows owners to do anything they want without any influence, he's not doing his job of protecting the NFL brand and image. In the case of Henry, he has been given every chance to reform and be a good citizen of the league. HE has passed on every chance and essentially given his former team, the league, the commissioner, and the fans the finger, and if Goodell wants to get players like him out of the league, then he should make owners think twice about rostering players that have blown chance after chance and continue to degrade the image of the league.I get what you're saying about it being a form of double jeopardy, but it's also a legit concern of the commish, because players like Henry not only affect the image of their team, but that of the league as a whole.
 
I do not like the message it would send but I would love to see KC give him a shot....they need another WR sooooooooooo bad

although with the youth movement he is probably not the best guy to have in the locker room.....but if he could turn it around......Bowe and Henry :goodposting:

 
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Number two, Goodell has stated recently that "teams" may incurr a penalty in the future when bringing in troubled players for another chance if troubles continue. I don't know if that would mean "no salary cap relief" upon his being cut or suspended after the fact or what. Again, anybody?
IMO this is nonsense and Goodell is overstepping his bounds as commissioner. If an owner wants to take a multimillion dollar risk on a troubled player, as a businessperson that is their prerogative. The team's "penalty" is sinking millions into an investment and potentially getting no return. Not to mention the bad PR associated with damaging their brand. Goodell's job is to discipline individual players, not to penalize a team for signing that player.
I completely disagree. For some teams, it is not very costly to give a problem player another chance. Big market teams are limited by the salary cap, they could spend a couple million dollars on a player like Henry and shrug should he not work out. If it were not an issue, why would Goodell have even said that teams may incurr a penalty for this? He said that because he knows some owners can afford to risk losing a couple million bucks on the gamble that the player makes their team better for even a short period of time. There needed to be an additional deterent.Look at DAL? Did Adam Jones' issues keep DAL from pursuing him? He was suspended for an incident at a strip club, does that stop him from going even after the commissioner said to? No, he went to a strip club THE NIGHT BEFORE meeting with Goodell. OAK also has a tendency to go after players who are known to get into trouble.Frankly, I think what Goodell is doing is great (and long overdue). The players and the clubs are representatives of the NFL brand. It is part of Goodell's job to make sure that brand is not tarnished.About 2 years ago I posted on these forums that Marvin Lewis should tell his players that getting in trouble off the field could mean that they lose their job. Several replied that what a player does on his own time is his own business. It looks like the NFL does not agree.
 
Number two, Goodell has stated recently that "teams" may incurr a penalty in the future when bringing in troubled players for another chance if troubles continue. I don't know if that would mean "no salary cap relief" upon his being cut or suspended after the fact or what. Again, anybody?
IMO this is nonsense and Goodell is overstepping his bounds as commissioner. If an owner wants to take a multimillion dollar risk on a troubled player, as a businessperson that is their prerogative. The team's "penalty" is sinking millions into an investment and potentially getting no return. Not to mention the bad PR associated with damaging their brand. Goodell's job is to discipline individual players, not to penalize a team for signing that player.
If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying that its only the brand of the teams who employ troubled players that suffer a PR hit? The NFL brand remains unscathed from the incidents involving players like Henry and Pacman?Really?

 
WJR reports Seahawks were interested.
:) If there was one team in the league that would NOT look at Henry, I would have to think it would be the Seahawks. SEahawks GM Ruskell has made it a point to not go after people with any type of character issues. Henry would be a great addition if he could stay out of trouble but I doubt it.
 
The Niners can't get much worse, so they might as well persue him. Maybe Martz can convince Henry he'll eventually be the #1 guy. At this point I want us to win so go get him Nolan. If they're gonna keep him on house arrest I'm sure they could find room inside Monster Park to build him a one bedroom shack. :)

 
It is pretty sad when a team wants to look at a guy on house arrest. I would say Goodell's conduct policy is a joke. Besides a couple of players being suspended has anyone noticed any difference? I think there were more arrests this off season than ever and teams are still signing these guys. I feel sorry for the 98% of players that play by the rules, it is their reputation these guys are hurting.

 
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Goodell's job is also to protect6 the image of the league. And since you brought up "brand," every team in the NFL is securely attached to the brand of the NFL, therefore, what's bad for the Bengals, or any other team, is bad for the NFL as far as image. Therefore, embarrassing incidents for NFL franchises are very much Goodell's concern. If he allows owners to do anything they want without any influence, he's not doing his job of protecting the NFL brand and image. In the case of Henry, he has been given every chance to reform and be a good citizen of the league. HE has passed on every chance and essentially given his former team, the league, the commissioner, and the fans the finger, and if Goodell wants to get players like him out of the league, then he should make owners think twice about rostering players that have blown chance after chance and continue to degrade the image of the league.I get what you're saying about it being a form of double jeopardy, but it's also a legit concern of the commish, because players like Henry not only affect the image of their team, but that of the league as a whole.
Goodell has his chance to make a statement with someone like Henry by giving him a lifetime ban. No reason to punish a team for signing him after he's gotten into trouble.IMO, the biggest problem with him exercising that kind of power is it is way too subjective. Sure, there are the two posterboys Pacman and Henry, and it's easy to say if they get in trouble a team should be liable because they are gross repeat offenders, but those two are extreme examples and thankfully few and far between. But what should happen to the Vikings if Jared Allen gets into a fight at a bar? Should they be fined money? Draft picks? Or is a fight in a bar ok?What about if he gets a DUI? Is that bad enough for the team to get into trouble? See what I mean?Basically, it would open up a can of worms because it would require way too much of a subjective decision by the commish and he is better off not setting this dangerous precedent.
 
If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying that its only the brand of the teams who employ troubled players that suffer a PR hit? The NFL brand remains unscathed from the incidents involving players like Henry and Pacman?Really?
No, I'd agree the NFL brand is somewhat damaged as well, but as I said before, Goodell has his chance to protect the league's brand and image with these problem players by dealing with them directly, e.g. lifetime ban. That is when he can and should exercise his penalty and judgment with them.
 
Goodell's job is also to protect6 the image of the league. And since you brought up "brand," every team in the NFL is securely attached to the brand of the NFL, therefore, what's bad for the Bengals, or any other team, is bad for the NFL as far as image. Therefore, embarrassing incidents for NFL franchises are very much Goodell's concern. If he allows owners to do anything they want without any influence, he's not doing his job of protecting the NFL brand and image. In the case of Henry, he has been given every chance to reform and be a good citizen of the league. HE has passed on every chance and essentially given his former team, the league, the commissioner, and the fans the finger, and if Goodell wants to get players like him out of the league, then he should make owners think twice about rostering players that have blown chance after chance and continue to degrade the image of the league.

I get what you're saying about it being a form of double jeopardy, but it's also a legit concern of the commish, because players like Henry not only affect the image of their team, but that of the league as a whole.
Goodell has his chance to make a statement with someone like Henry by giving him a lifetime ban. No reason to punish a team for signing him after he's gotten into trouble.IMO, the biggest problem with him exercising that kind of power is it is way too subjective. Sure, there are the two posterboys Pacman and Henry, and it's easy to say if they get in trouble a team should be liable because they are gross repeat offenders, but those two are extreme examples and thankfully few and far between.

But what should happen to the Vikings if Jared Allen gets into a fight at a bar? Should they be fined money? Draft picks? Or is a fight in a bar ok?

What about if he gets a DUI? Is that bad enough for the team to get into trouble?

See what I mean?

Basically, it would open up a can of worms because it would require way too much of a subjective decision by the commish and he is better off not setting this dangerous precedent.
I do see what you mean but Jared Allen getting in a bar fight in Minn. would be much different than if Pacman gets in a bar fight in Dallas.
 
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I do see what you mean but Jared Allen getting in a bar fight in Minn. would be much different than if Pacman gets in a bar fight in Dallas.
That's what I'm getting at. There is too much discretion. The only way this could work is if Goodell re-instates players with a literal red flag that holds the signing team accountable for any future transgressions.But even then, Goodell likes to mete out justice before a player is even tried, so what is the definition of a transgression? Does a player need to be found guilty of something? Or merely be arrested or detained?Just too much gray area IMO for when you are talking about taking money out of an owner's pocket.
 
I do see what you mean but Jared Allen getting in a bar fight in Minn. would be much different than if Pacman gets in a bar fight in Dallas.
That's what I'm getting at. There is too much discretion. The only way this could work is if Goodell re-instates players with a literal red flag that holds the signing team accountable for any future transgressions.But even then, Goodell likes to mete out justice before a player is even tried, so what is the definition of a transgression? Does a player need to be found guilty of something? Or merely be arrested or detained?

Just too much gray area IMO for when you are talking about taking money out of an owner's pocket.
I think this is an excellent idea.
 
Goodell's job is also to protect6 the image of the league. And since you brought up "brand," every team in the NFL is securely attached to the brand of the NFL, therefore, what's bad for the Bengals, or any other team, is bad for the NFL as far as image. Therefore, embarrassing incidents for NFL franchises are very much Goodell's concern. If he allows owners to do anything they want without any influence, he's not doing his job of protecting the NFL brand and image. In the case of Henry, he has been given every chance to reform and be a good citizen of the league. HE has passed on every chance and essentially given his former team, the league, the commissioner, and the fans the finger, and if Goodell wants to get players like him out of the league, then he should make owners think twice about rostering players that have blown chance after chance and continue to degrade the image of the league.I get what you're saying about it being a form of double jeopardy, but it's also a legit concern of the commish, because players like Henry not only affect the image of their team, but that of the league as a whole.
Goodell has his chance to make a statement with someone like Henry by giving him a lifetime ban. No reason to punish a team for signing him after he's gotten into trouble.IMO, the biggest problem with him exercising that kind of power is it is way too subjective. Sure, there are the two posterboys Pacman and Henry, and it's easy to say if they get in trouble a team should be liable because they are gross repeat offenders, but those two are extreme examples and thankfully few and far between. But what should happen to the Vikings if Jared Allen gets into a fight at a bar? Should they be fined money? Draft picks? Or is a fight in a bar ok?What about if he gets a DUI? Is that bad enough for the team to get into trouble? See what I mean?Basically, it would open up a can of worms because it would require way too much of a subjective decision by the commish and he is better off not setting this dangerous precedent.
His intent was clear that this was for cases where teams disregard the history of a player and the player gets into trouble again.I would say there are more than Adam Jones and Chris Henry. Michael Vick and the CHI DT (Tommy something?) come to mind as well.I would expect that the repeat offense would have to be fairly serious and either a guilty plea or convicted in order for Goodell to penalize a team.
 
O.K., I found some information regarding Goodell's intentions regarding disciplinary measures pertaining to teams taking on troubled players.

This is from a story posted Monday, April 28th in The Dallas Morning News by Rick Gosselin.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...n.ac2e179d.html

Key points:

Goodell informed NFL teams at the league's annual meeting in March that he would begin holding the clubs accountable when their players stray.

"If you have an individual player that has discipline from the personal conduct policy, a portion of that salary is going to be withheld as a fine," Goodell said Monday. "And that's going to escalate."

In the past, if a player was earning $500,000 and was suspended by the league, he would not be paid his salary and his team could just pocket that money.

"Now I may say pay $250,000 of that to us – 50 percent of it," Goodell said. "If it's his second incident, it might be $300,000. If it's his fourth incident, it might be $500,000."

"And I haven't ruled out competitive consequences, by the way – draft choices and such."

But Goodell said those details are still being worked out.

In 2007, Goodell took the first step toward cleaning up the league's image by cracking down on the players, suspending Pacman Jones, Odell Thurman and Chris Henry.

The second step by Goodell in 2008 will be the crackdown on teams.

 
If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying that its only the brand of the teams who employ troubled players that suffer a PR hit? The NFL brand remains unscathed from the incidents involving players like Henry and Pacman?Really?
No, I'd agree the NFL brand is somewhat damaged as well, but as I said before, Goodell has his chance to protect the league's brand and image with these problem players by dealing with them directly, e.g. lifetime ban. That is when he can and should exercise his penalty and judgment with them.
Fair enough. What would be really, really funny, is he could tell guys like Henry and Pacman could play in the NFL, but they can't receive any money at all for their first year following a major offense. The contracts could only be for one year. Then see how much they really want to be in the NFL. But I agree in the sense that he can ban players for life, or for several years, but that wouldn't prevent a situation like the Bengals, who consistently go after guys with questionable character, and by the time they get in trouble, which everyone on the Bengals expected, the damage to the league is done.
 
Former Bengal Chris Henry will be allowed to travel to other cities in hopes of reviving his professional football career, a judge ruled today.

Henry’s attorney, Perry Ancona, previously asked Hamilton County Municipal Court Judge Rich Bernat if Henry could be released from electronic monitoring and house arrest so he could travel to another city and try out for a National Football League team.

The judge denied that request until today, when Ancona repeated that Henry has an offer to try out for an unnamed NFL team and needs to be allowed to travel.

“We’re willing to give him some latitude given the fact that he obviously needs to find some employment,” Bernat said.
What? You mean there are no McDonald's, Burger Kings or WalMarts in Hamilton County?
 
Im gonna be a little shocked if he ends up on an NFL team this year at this point. He's not a real bright guy to begin with. Why would a team want to risk bringing this guy in late and attempt to learn a new offense when the upside is limited and the downside is not only obvious but looming largely.

 
I'm thinking with the desperation that Al Davis has been displaying thus far this offseason that it may very well be the Raiders.

Not to be funny, but I think he wants to win before he dies.

 
Im gonna be a little shocked if he ends up on an NFL team this year at this point. He's not a real bright guy to begin with. Why would a team want to risk bringing this guy in late and attempt to learn a new offense when the upside is limited and the downside is not only obvious but looming largely.
Why would a team sign Pacman? This guy sounds like Cowboy material.
 
Im gonna be a little shocked if he ends up on an NFL team this year at this point. He's not a real bright guy to begin with. Why would a team want to risk bringing this guy in late and attempt to learn a new offense when the upside is limited and the downside is not only obvious but looming largely.
Why would a team sign Pacman? This guy sounds like Cowboy material.
He was a college teammate of Pacman. He's not going to Dallas. But Pacman is a ST player and a potential Pro Bowler. Henry's done some good things in Cinci, considering. But he was being thrown to by a Pro Bowl QB and lining up next to 2 Pro Bowl WRs. Just not worth the hassle, imo. A corner that can cover is far more valuable in the NFL than a non-starting WR with apparently no brain.
 
I wouldn't necessarily put Pacman and Henry in the same category, in that Pacman's issues center more on behavior and hanging out in the wrong places at the wrong times with his croonies.

Henry is more of a habitual problem, centering on drug and alcohol related issues, along with contributing to the delinquency of minors.

Pacman wants to "be bad" (as in "bad a##), whereas Henry is just simply "bad" (as in "you've been bad, shame on you").

 
I would think a team would want to sign Henry right away if they are willing to take a chance on him. Would they not want to sign him to a 2 or 3 year contract now so that if he is suspended he can serve that suspension time? I would assume any contract would be for a minimum base and would be filled with all sorts of bonus clauses so he would not cost much if/when he is suspended and he would have to earn the money.

 
Andy Herron said:
O.K., I found some information regarding Goodell's intentions regarding disciplinary measures pertaining to teams taking on troubled players.

This is from a story posted Monday, April 28th in The Dallas Morning News by Rick Gosselin.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...n.ac2e179d.html

Key points:

Goodell informed NFL teams at the league's annual meeting in March that he would begin holding the clubs accountable when their players stray.

"If you have an individual player that has discipline from the personal conduct policy, a portion of that salary is going to be withheld as a fine," Goodell said Monday. "And that's going to escalate."

In the past, if a player was earning $500,000 and was suspended by the league, he would not be paid his salary and his team could just pocket that money.

"Now I may say pay $250,000 of that to us – 50 percent of it," Goodell said. "If it's his second incident, it might be $300,000. If it's his fourth incident, it might be $500,000."

"And I haven't ruled out competitive consequences, by the way – draft choices and such."

But Goodell said those details are still being worked out.

In 2007, Goodell took the first step toward cleaning up the league's image by cracking down on the players, suspending Pacman Jones, Odell Thurman and Chris Henry.

The second step by Goodell in 2008 will be the crackdown on teams.
I'm actually 100% behind Goodell with having the teams have to still pay the salary they would have given to the suspended player. Have them donate it to charity or something useful. That makes sense. Plus, it's now a zero sum game, it's money the owners were planning on investing in the player anyway. Hell, I'd be all for a 100% salary match, forget this 50% stuff.But "draft picks and such" is going overboard.

 
If Dallas were to pick up Henry, then the term "North Dallas Forty" could be used to describe the average IQ of a Cowboy player in 2008.

If he is not suspended for 2008, the commissioner is a hypocrite. If he is suspended for a year, he will never be back in the league. The dude is never going to behave with that much free time. He will be in prison or dead.

 
knowledge dropper said:
If Dallas were to pick up Henry, then the term "North Dallas Forty" could be used to describe the average IQ of a Cowboy player in 2008.
This is exactly the kind of substantive information I rely on from this board. I had no idea that the entire Cowboy team suffers from low IQ. Nice heads up dude. :mellow:
 
Dynasty folks....is anyone thinking of cutting ties yet? I'm holding the course for now, obviously....but say Goddell comes back with a 1 year, or even an indefinite suspension. What's your move?

 
Dynasty folks....is anyone thinking of cutting ties yet? I'm holding the course for now, obviously....but say Goddell comes back with a 1 year, or even an indefinite suspension. What's your move?
If you can get anything for him (even a last round rookie pick), I would be inclined to take it at this point. The risk does not outweigh the possible reward.
 
Dynasty folks....is anyone thinking of cutting ties yet? I'm holding the course for now, obviously....but say Goddell comes back with a 1 year, or even an indefinite suspension. What's your move?
If you can get anything for him (even a last round rookie pick), I would be inclined to take it at this point. The risk does not outweigh the possible reward.
Seriously?I mean, I guess it depends on how deep your roster is and all that, but I am not sure that the "Risk" of losing the last spot on your bench to Henry is more than it is using it on some yutz that is more likely than not a no talent fringe player. at least you know Henry can play.
 
So Goddell has instituted all these things to stop the bad behavior of these players, but is it just me or does it seem like NFL players are still getting arrested at an alarming rate? There isn't a day that goes by where we dont hear about another player in trouble. I would have thought we would be seeing some progress by now.

Does anyone have any numbers comparing incidents from last off-season to this off-season. I have a hunch they are quite similar.

By the way, I owned Henry in a dynasty league since his rookie year and finally decided to cut bait recently. Hes a wonderful talent with a head full of crap.

 
Anyone that thinks Chris Henry does not have the skills to be a WR1 in this league is delusional. He certainly is handicapped from the mental toughness standpoint, but his hands, speed, bodyframe, he's a WR1 all day long.

 
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I do not like the message it would send but I would love to see KC give him a shot....they need another WR sooooooooooo badalthough with the youth movement he is probably not the best guy to have in the locker room.....but if he could turn it around......Bowe and Henry :lmao:
Dude's only 24 and it's not like he's taking anyone's job there. Seems like a good fit.
 
Deadman31 said:
So Goddell has instituted all these things to stop the bad behavior of these players, but is it just me or does it seem like NFL players are still getting arrested at an alarming rate? There isn't a day that goes by where we dont hear about another player in trouble. I would have thought we would be seeing some progress by now.Does anyone have any numbers comparing incidents from last off-season to this off-season. I have a hunch they are quite similar.By the way, I owned Henry in a dynasty league since his rookie year and finally decided to cut bait recently. Hes a wonderful talent with a head full of crap.
You can't rule out stupidity. With as many players in the league as there are and with the way of the world today, I think the numbers of players getting into trouble will only increase over the coming years.You can take the kid out of the city, but you can't take the city out of the kid.
 

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