Interseptopus
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starting over coutee. bye week for Lockett and juju. heres hoping hes a target hog
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WR Christian Kirk, HOU (1 Viewer)
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tkrull
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Dizzy
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I have to assume this was more of a long term comment? Rosen doesn't look "NFL ready" to me.
Those early timeouts and delay of game issues... what could possibly be going on there? Is McCoy tossing out previously-scripted plays because he doesn't think the offense can execute?
Shocker for me is paying Sam Bradford $15 million guaranteed dollars to stand on the sidelines in street clothes. $5 million more if they allow him to wear a helmet? How does that decision get made.
ARZ a total mess for 2018.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Rosen on 10/18/18 isn't ready, sure. Rosen has looked much better the other games he has started. He is possibly the most intelligent QB out of this class. His potential is very high. His struggles last night were largely not his own fault.
Watson 2018 is a mess as well
Give me the guy with way more upside
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Possibly. I almost got 10 points out of him. Considering byes I'm not too upset about that. Garbage time helped a lot.
kutta
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Dizzy
Footballguy
Fitz and Chad started... both had more targets... maybe future Kirk is awesome, but ARZ is burning to the ground in 2018.
Dynasty Kirk = maybe/yes, redraft Kirk = cutbait
kutta
Footballguy
Kirk is well ahead of Chad Williams and Kirk is quickly becoming the Cards WR1. Because Williams had more targets in one or two games doesn’t mean he’s ahead of Kirk.
Do you really think Williams outscores Kirk the rest of this year?
Dizzy
Footballguy
It may not matter.
Cards avg 157 yds/game. What is their #1 WR's share of that... 40%... 30%... less?
I think Fitz needs to be out of the picture before anyone else flourishes at WR on that team.
kutta
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Stuart Ullman
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I don't think Fitzgerald is the problem. He sticks around in the slot and does his job.
It's the offensive line that is horrific.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
After 7 games the Cardinals are averaging 52.6 offensive plays per game which is bottom five in the league at this point.
The good news is the Cardinals had 66 offensive plays in a losing effort against the Broncos, who do have a good defense, especially against the pass and they had 58 offensive plays against the Vikings the week before, another good defense.
So if this trend continues, the opportunities for Cardinals players may be increasing towards average now, with the main difference being Josh Rosen can actually make some plays.
He is a rookie of course and making rookie mistakes. The throw to Chad Williams is one that comes to mind. He threw the ball too far to the outside. Now this is the smart thing to do, but in that situation a more experienced QB will give the receiver a better chance to catch the ball, even with some additional risk of turnover. It was on the last drive of the half. There are tons of little things like this that Rosen will learn from and improve on as he gains experience.
Who starts doesn't matter too much because the Cardinals have been using 3 WR on most of their plays.
Total snaps
Larry Fitzgerald 333 (87%)
Chad Williams 303 (79%)
Christian Kirk 283 (74%)
Ricky Seals-Jones 276 (72%)
Over the last two games
Christian Kirk 79.3% and 78.8%
Chad Williams 67.2% and 68.2%
Williams had been getting 80% of the snaps up until the last two games, where it does seem that Kirk has surpassed him in playing time.
The good news is the Cardinals had 66 offensive plays in a losing effort against the Broncos, who do have a good defense, especially against the pass and they had 58 offensive plays against the Vikings the week before, another good defense.
So if this trend continues, the opportunities for Cardinals players may be increasing towards average now, with the main difference being Josh Rosen can actually make some plays.
He is a rookie of course and making rookie mistakes. The throw to Chad Williams is one that comes to mind. He threw the ball too far to the outside. Now this is the smart thing to do, but in that situation a more experienced QB will give the receiver a better chance to catch the ball, even with some additional risk of turnover. It was on the last drive of the half. There are tons of little things like this that Rosen will learn from and improve on as he gains experience.
Who starts doesn't matter too much because the Cardinals have been using 3 WR on most of their plays.
Total snaps
Larry Fitzgerald 333 (87%)
Chad Williams 303 (79%)
Christian Kirk 283 (74%)
Ricky Seals-Jones 276 (72%)
Over the last two games
Christian Kirk 79.3% and 78.8%
Chad Williams 67.2% and 68.2%
Williams had been getting 80% of the snaps up until the last two games, where it does seem that Kirk has surpassed him in playing time.
cloppbeast
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Avery
Footballguy
Bruce Ariens apparently thinks highly of Leftwich, FWIW. For the rest of us, he's an unknown entity. Can't be any worse than what we've seen so far. Personally, I'd give the offensive a bump up.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Fair enough.
I haven't seen much of Kirk, but from that I'm more worried about lack of separation than the state of the offense.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Ah good point. I hadn't considered the OC change. I was more looking at how the offense has performed with Rosen which is the biggest change.
In any case, Kirk has been playing more snaps than Williams the last two games.
flapgreen
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LionOfGosforth
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flapgreen
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nittanylion
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Running train?
The Frankman
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Stompin' Tom Connors
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Finishes the season with 43 catches for 590 yards, better than more established guys like Sanu, Demaryus Thomas, and Crabtree, and the most on the team.
Was a promising season where he provided low-end PPR flex value every week. I fully expect as this team develops for Kirk to take a big step forward next year -- he may not pan out to be the player Fitz is, but no question he can take up his mantle as the #1 WR in ARI.
Was a promising season where he provided low-end PPR flex value every week. I fully expect as this team develops for Kirk to take a big step forward next year -- he may not pan out to be the player Fitz is, but no question he can take up his mantle as the #1 WR in ARI.
grateful zed
Footballguy
lots o mouths in arz.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
And all of a sudden Larry Fitzgerald gets treated like Rodney Dangerfield to make press.
Bracie Smathers
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Kingsbury named Christian Kirk as a player who is ahead of the curve understanding his offense after playing in a similar system at Texas A&M.
6:02 AM - 12 Jun 2019
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Makes sense that both Kyler Murray and Christian Kirk would be ahead of the curve knowing the offense they both played in at A&M.
Kingsbury named Christian Kirk as a player who is ahead of the curve understanding his offense after playing in a similar system at Texas A&M.
6:02 AM - 12 Jun 2019
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Makes sense that both Kyler Murray and Christian Kirk would be ahead of the curve knowing the offense they both played in at A&M.
grateful zed
Footballguy
drafted kirk 1.13 to transition from fitzgerald, my favorite nfl player.
this is the year to trade larry.
sorry man.
this is the year to trade larry.
sorry man.
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