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CletiusMaximus
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msudaisy26
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The question isn't talent. He just can't stay healthy and the one year he was healthy for most of it Love was awful and playing hurt all year.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Limited.
He's been limited since the 8th grade.
socrates
Footballguy
I am almost reluctantly still holding Christian Watson on one of my Dynasty squads. However, I am growing increasingly dubious that he will ever see my starting lineup. (Between injuries and byes, this is the week I might have rolled the dice, and yet he will stay parked on my thinning bench.) Watson is arguably more physically talented and has a higher potential upside than the players I might grab off waivers, but he is also bordering on being nothing more than a frustrating roster clogger who only rarely teases that potential. Watson has essentially zero trade value. If he doesn’t do something very soon, I am cutting bait. He can Michigan J. Frog someone else!
Dez
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Yet was limited today in practice so I wouldn't call him "fully healthy"
What I would say is this puts Golden a 1st round pick 1 more foot into the graveyard. What a bust Golden was. My 1 teammate loved this guy so I have him on some redraft when I never wanted any of him this year. 0 Rookie drafts out of 11.
King of the Jungle
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I think he will reach a good buy low stage if he has not already. Not much expected this year but with Kraft injury/guys coming up on contract/Watson unable to sustain health…I think Golden’s time will come at some point. To my amateur eyes, he exhibits the skills I thought he had coming out….just needs some refinement/trust of his QB. Was high on him early in his last college year but steered clear in this years draft as I didn’t see an immediate impact scenario, that should clear up a bit.
I liked Golden coming out a lot.
I honestly never understood the pick for GB. And if they were going to draft him that high, you'd think they'd have an accelerated plan for him. I was thinking that maybe he had the runway that Egbuka had. Nope.
Maybe he breaks out a bit late this year and next year is launch year.
Chaka
Footballguy
Agreed
I think GB may simply suck at either scouting, developing or utilizing WRs. Or all three.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Cobb and Nelson did essentially nothing after leaving the Packers. Both beloved players but not missed on the field in any respect. Adams is a bit different. He reportedly turned down the same money from the Packers to go to Las Vegas and is now on his third team since leaving. I'm not sure what happened to him in Green Bay but it was interesting at the time with the Rodgers situation. The Packers turned those draft picks into two quality starters - Q. Walker and Christian Watson.
beef
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Quality? Starters, when healthy, I'll give you. I don't follow LBs and where Q ranks amongst the league. Watson amongst WRs is a below average starter, IMO.
Chaka
Footballguy
Am I the only one who fondly remembers the Jordy Nelson era in Oakland???
Anyone? Anyone?
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I guess the point is they got 1st and 2nd round picks for a player who refused to sign the tender and then he requested a trade from the Raiders mid-season a couple years later, so they only got a third for him. Fantastic business by the Packers GM even if we can disagree about what he did with the draft picks. Walker is the Packers green dot this year and essentially never leaves the field. Watson is easily the Packers best receiver when healthy.
OrganizedChaos
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So what are people doing with Watson after that glorious outing last night? I have him in a 10 team 0.5 PPR league. Was ready to drop him but of course sites still listing him as a top waiver pickup for this week. Granted Doubs went out last night and still no word on his injury at least that I have heard. You would think that means more targets for Watson but do people expect that or they will just lean into the run even more? Golden might also be back next week. Love just seems to like spreading the ball around no matter who are the other receivers.
Drake Hater
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Stashing. Mainly because the WR waivers situation is pretty bad but with injuries and some heat on the coaches he may have late season upside.
Something's got to give with the GB offense.
There's soooo run centric. Gotta think Lafleur comes up with something a little different.
Doubs could be out too.
He's sitting on the end of my bench, but I wouldn't be surprised if he pops off against the NYGs in a get right matchup for the entire offense.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think this is a very good take but Watson is always going to be a boom/bust candidate. So as long as you are conscious of that and yr eyes are open. LaFleur should be stripped of play calling duties as should Philly’s Sirianni (sorry, his OC should).
So maybe LaF has woken up. If I was Policy I’m not sure I’d have done anything but have him clean out his office last night.
All 4.7 of Josh Jacobs threw him under the bus and backed up over him too. I’m adding E. Wilson tonight (I’d dropped him) if I can—no doubt.
Eta* in fairness to LaF their passing EPA was -.25, which is terrible. Their rush EPA was -.27 which is worse. But it’s not just run/pass split, it’s also concepts and design, and those numbers stink and he owns those.
Chaka
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These are my thoughts from the WSIS thread
I like what I am seeing from Watson...mostly. That first pass to him last night was simply bizarre. He did a bad job tracking the ball and thought it was going to be an INT so, he gave up on the ball and played DB. The ball hit him in the back of the head. If he had tracked it better that could have been a TD. It would have been a tough catch but, he had position and the ball was on target. He doesn't get a lot of targets but, he's doing a solid job of converting. His two receptions last night (on four targets) went for 20 & 25).
In three games he has 12 targets for 8-188. That's 23.5 y/c which, would lead the league if he qualified. His long each game are 34, 52 & 25. He's a guy you hold onto to cover byes and injuries or to sub in on late Sunday or Monday Night when you need a crazy monster game.
I'm a fan, mostly...
...mostly.
I like what I am seeing from Watson...mostly. That first pass to him last night was simply bizarre. He did a bad job tracking the ball and thought it was going to be an INT so, he gave up on the ball and played DB. The ball hit him in the back of the head. If he had tracked it better that could have been a TD. It would have been a tough catch but, he had position and the ball was on target. He doesn't get a lot of targets but, he's doing a solid job of converting. His two receptions last night (on four targets) went for 20 & 25).
In three games he has 12 targets for 8-188. That's 23.5 y/c which, would lead the league if he qualified. His long each game are 34, 52 & 25. He's a guy you hold onto to cover byes and injuries or to sub in on late Sunday or Monday Night when you need a crazy monster game.
I'm a fan, mostly...
...mostly.
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What did Jacobs say?
rockaction
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The game essentially ended with the Packers failing to convert a fourth-and-1 with about a minute-and-a-half remaining, as running back Josh Jacobs was taken down for a loss in the backfield on a very questionable play call by Matt LaFleur.
After the contest, Jacobs made sure to specify that he was not a fan of the call, noting that the Eagles clearly knew what was going on before the ball was snapped.
"Fourth-and-1, they called out our play. We ran it like four times, they called it out," Jacobs said, via Ryan Wood of USA Today. "As a runner, it don't ever feel good," Jacobs said. "Whenever they know what we're doing, it don't ever feel good because it changed my mind on how I'm going to run the ball if we're being honest. It makes me guess on what I'm going to do. Obviously, people are smart. If we've got code words or whatever, your [sic] hear it a few times, you're going to eventually react to it. That's football, but it's never a good feeling." - Newsweek
Packers star throws obvious shade at Matt LaFleur
A Green Bay Packers star threw some very obvious shade at Matt LaFleur following the team's loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.
www.newsweek.com
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rockaction
Footballguy
Well, Lafleur deserves it that's for sure.
The game essentially ended with the Packers failing to convert a fourth-and-1 with about a minute-and-a-half remaining, as running back Josh Jacobs was taken down for a loss in the backfield on a very questionable play call by Matt LaFleur.
After the contest, Jacobs made sure to specify that he was not a fan of the call, noting that the Eagles clearly knew what was going on before the ball was snapped.
"Fourth-and-1, they called out our play. We ran it like four times, they called it out," Jacobs said, via Ryan Wood of USA Today. "As a runner, it don't ever feel good," Jacobs said. "Whenever they know what we're doing, it don't ever feel good because it changed my mind on how I'm going to run the ball if we're being honest. It makes me guess on what I'm going to do. Obviously, people are smart. If we've got code words or whatever, your hear it a few times, you're going to eventually react to it. That's football, but it's never a good feeling." - Newsweek
Packers star throws obvious shade at Matt LaFleur
A Green Bay Packers star threw some very obvious shade at Matt LaFleur following the team's loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.
You thinking Lafleur benches Jacobs for this?
rockaction
Footballguy
Well, Lafleur deserves it that's for sure.
The game essentially ended with the Packers failing to convert a fourth-and-1 with about a minute-and-a-half remaining, as running back Josh Jacobs was taken down for a loss in the backfield on a very questionable play call by Matt LaFleur.
After the contest, Jacobs made sure to specify that he was not a fan of the call, noting that the Eagles clearly knew what was going on before the ball was snapped.
"Fourth-and-1, they called out our play. We ran it like four times, they called it out," Jacobs said, via Ryan Wood of USA Today. "As a runner, it don't ever feel good," Jacobs said. "Whenever they know what we're doing, it don't ever feel good because it changed my mind on how I'm going to run the ball if we're being honest. It makes me guess on what I'm going to do. Obviously, people are smart. If we've got code words or whatever, your hear it a few times, you're going to eventually react to it. That's football, but it's never a good feeling." - Newsweek
Packers star throws obvious shade at Matt LaFleur
A Green Bay Packers star threw some very obvious shade at Matt LaFleur following the team's loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.
You thinking Lafleur benches Jacobs for this?
No, but if you have a 3.5 YPC or something like that you generally tend not to be so outspokenly critical of your coach unless you either:
a) don't care
b) are flustered and emotional
c) are telling the public and the front office you think he should be fired
I have no idea where that's going, but I can't think of a better stash that's available in my league right now. And I was the guy who tossed him back, which might have something to do with it. But if Marshawn Lloyd is ever healthy (he's eligible to return but LaFleur shot it down a week and a half ago) then I'd imagine Green Bay would find every reason to see what he has given this sort of event.
So I don't think Jacobs explicitly loses the job, but see Tracy criticizing Daboll and Daboll making quick work of the not-Skattebo Tracy.
Insein
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Jacobs has more clout than Tracy, both with money and talent. LaFleur can't afford to bench him if he's healthy.Well, Lafleur deserves it that's for sure.
The game essentially ended with the Packers failing to convert a fourth-and-1 with about a minute-and-a-half remaining, as running back Josh Jacobs was taken down for a loss in the backfield on a very questionable play call by Matt LaFleur.
After the contest, Jacobs made sure to specify that he was not a fan of the call, noting that the Eagles clearly knew what was going on before the ball was snapped.
"Fourth-and-1, they called out our play. We ran it like four times, they called it out," Jacobs said, via Ryan Wood of USA Today. "As a runner, it don't ever feel good," Jacobs said. "Whenever they know what we're doing, it don't ever feel good because it changed my mind on how I'm going to run the ball if we're being honest. It makes me guess on what I'm going to do. Obviously, people are smart. If we've got code words or whatever, your hear it a few times, you're going to eventually react to it. That's football, but it's never a good feeling." - Newsweek
Packers star throws obvious shade at Matt LaFleur
A Green Bay Packers star threw some very obvious shade at Matt LaFleur following the team's loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.
You thinking Lafleur benches Jacobs for this?
No, but if you have a 3.5 YPC or something like that you generally tend not to be so outspokenly critical of your coach unless you either:
a) don't care
b) are flustered and emotional
c) are telling the public and the front office you think he should be fired
I have no idea where that's going, but I can't think of a better stash that's available in my league right now. And I was the guy who tossed him back, which might have something to do with it. But if Marshawn Lloyd is ever healthy (he's eligible to return but LaFleur shot it down a week and a half ago) then I'd imagine Green Bay would find every reason to see what he has given this sort of event.
So I don't think Jacobs explicitly loses the job, but see Tracy criticizing Daboll and Daboll making quick work of the not-Skattebo Tracy.
rockaction
Footballguy
Jacobs has more clout than Tracy, both with money and talent. LaFleur can't afford to bench him if he's healthy.Well, Lafleur deserves it that's for sure.
The game essentially ended with the Packers failing to convert a fourth-and-1 with about a minute-and-a-half remaining, as running back Josh Jacobs was taken down for a loss in the backfield on a very questionable play call by Matt LaFleur.
After the contest, Jacobs made sure to specify that he was not a fan of the call, noting that the Eagles clearly knew what was going on before the ball was snapped.
"Fourth-and-1, they called out our play. We ran it like four times, they called it out," Jacobs said, via Ryan Wood of USA Today. "As a runner, it don't ever feel good," Jacobs said. "Whenever they know what we're doing, it don't ever feel good because it changed my mind on how I'm going to run the ball if we're being honest. It makes me guess on what I'm going to do. Obviously, people are smart. If we've got code words or whatever, your hear it a few times, you're going to eventually react to it. That's football, but it's never a good feeling." - Newsweek
Packers star throws obvious shade at Matt LaFleur
A Green Bay Packers star threw some very obvious shade at Matt LaFleur following the team's loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.
You thinking Lafleur benches Jacobs for this?
No, but if you have a 3.5 YPC or something like that you generally tend not to be so outspokenly critical of your coach unless you either:
a) don't care
b) are flustered and emotional
c) are telling the public and the front office you think he should be fired
I have no idea where that's going, but I can't think of a better stash that's available in my league right now. And I was the guy who tossed him back, which might have something to do with it. But if Marshawn Lloyd is ever healthy (he's eligible to return but LaFleur shot it down a week and a half ago) then I'd imagine Green Bay would find every reason to see what he has given this sort of event.
So I don't think Jacobs explicitly loses the job, but see Tracy criticizing Daboll and Daboll making quick work of the not-Skattebo Tracy.
I getcha. I said "No" but you'd be surprised how little patience a coach has with a guy who he has already implicitly called out and who then called the coach out.
Smoke, baby. Not fire. Lafleur said before this week they needed to gain more than two yards a rush. I'll find the quote.
Cannot find it. I read it. He was upset with the line two weeks ago and the backs last week. My apologies. I hope I’m recalling this correctly.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I've always been a big fan and Matt Harmon, who used to not be sold on him, did a recent review of his film and gave it a decent-enough thumbs up. I was surprised. I haven't wavered on him (he's my ideal prototype—deep threat, bombs, tall, 4.3 speed) but I traded him when he was injured along with a second for Nico Collins. I think both myself and the guy I traded with are happy with that one.
Chaka
Footballguy
He has a lot of great measurables for sure and, I do believe he is the Packers best WR by a good margin (we'll see about Golden) but, that really isn't saying much.
Aside from not being able to stay healthy, I'm not sure he's a "complete route tree" guy. He's easily one of the best deep ball guys in the league but I don't see him making a living playing in the short/intermediate middle where the dudes with bad intentions live and breathe.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yep. He's my kind of guy. My guys don't always score the most points. See Adam Harstad's recent articles on fantasy value. It's a weakness.
