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WR Cooper Kupp, SEA (4 Viewers)

5/53/1 is a good game back. Knock the rust off. With teams game planning for Puka now too, Kupp should get less doubles. Hope he came out of this unscathed.

Yeah and now he has extra time to rest up.

At 3-4 now, and the offense looking good, and with Puka back, I'm guessing Kupp is going nowhere. McVay seemed to insinuate that post game too.

Schedule looks promising too: @SEA, MIA, @NE, PHI, @NO. Nothing scary there.
 
Keep in mind he also drew two big PI calls that moved them into scoring position. Fairly smart veteran moves by him to draw them. All in all, I thought he looked decent.
TY! I did not catch the game .. but that is a good sign! And with those targets ("air yards"), his use and efficiency numbers don't tell the whole story.
 
5/53, he's TD dependent

-He's just a fancy Wan'Dale Robinson, needs volume to be useful now
:lol:

I'm happy he's back, hope I can add him back into my starting line up since I took him a round earlier than most
Yes I played h last night vs those 32 ranked DBs the Vikes have
 
I don't think he is washed. I think the usage was fine. However, he appears nowhere near 100%.
As others have said, Puka LOOKED better. Kupp looked like he was struggling to get separation.
A few pages ago somebody posted some Twitter practice videos and I said he didn't look quick or sharp.
Exactly how he looked last night. He does not look like the Cooper Kupp of old.

That beind said, he was targeted in the red zone and when a big catch was needed.
You can't sit him if he plays unless you're stacked.
 
I don't think he is washed. I think the usage was fine. However, he appears nowhere near 100%.
As others have said, Puka LOOKED better. Kupp looked like he was struggling to get separation.
A few pages ago somebody posted some Twitter practice videos and I said he didn't look quick or sharp.
Exactly how he looked last night. He does not look like the Cooper Kupp of old.

That beind said, he was targeted in the red zone and when a big catch was needed.
You can't sit him if he plays unless you're stacked.
Agreed, I believe he needed this game to knock the rust off, while Puka didn’t

He’ll be in my lineup from here on out
 
I can't get over how DRob becomes a must start when Kupp and Puka play and disappears when they are out. I mean I understand why, but the night and day difference is still amazing.
 
Dr. Chao speculated earlier in the week that he wasn’t 100% based on practice footage and even thought he might miss the game. A 5/51/1 stat line was pretty good considering. On top of that, the Rams won and look like they’re going to keep him around. Staying with Stafford and the Rams is likely the best possible outcome for his fantasy numbers the rest of the season. If he didn’t have any setbacks with the ankle, it was a great night Kupp owners.
 
Dr. Chao speculated earlier in the week that he wasn’t 100% based on practice footage and even thought he might miss the game. A 5/51/1 stat line was pretty good considering. On top of that, the Rams won and look like they’re going to keep him around. Staying with Stafford and the Rams is likely the best possible outcome for his fantasy numbers the rest of the season. If he didn’t have any setbacks with the ankle, it was a great night Kupp owners.
Two things I saw of note:

1. The catch where he drew the flag and was carried out of bounds was a dang good catch.
2. On the play where he was pushed out of bounds to stop the clock, he put up a pretty good fight for having a bad ankle.
 
Dr. Chao speculated earlier in the week that he wasn’t 100% based on practice footage and even thought he might miss the game. A 5/51/1 stat line was pretty good considering. On top of that, the Rams won and look like they’re going to keep him around. Staying with Stafford and the Rams is likely the best possible outcome for his fantasy numbers the rest of the season. If he didn’t have any setbacks with the ankle, it was a great night Kupp owners.
Two things I saw of note:

1. The catch where he drew the flag and was carried out of bounds was a dang good catch.
2. On the play where he was pushed out of bounds to stop the clock, he put up a pretty good fight for having a bad ankle.
He also rolled his left ankle in the process. He came up wincing but no way for us to know if he reaggravated something until next week.

I would watch the practice reports closely though. At his age, just coming back from multiple ankle injuries, I'm definitely worried about a reaggravation from that specific play.
 
Dr. Chao speculated earlier in the week that he wasn’t 100% based on practice footage and even thought he might miss the game. A 5/51/1 stat line was pretty good considering. On top of that, the Rams won and look like they’re going to keep him around. Staying with Stafford and the Rams is likely the best possible outcome for his fantasy numbers the rest of the season. If he didn’t have any setbacks with the ankle, it was a great night Kupp owners.
Two things I saw of note:

1. The catch where he drew the flag and was carried out of bounds was a dang good catch.
2. On the play where he was pushed out of bounds to stop the clock, he put up a pretty good fight for having a bad ankle.
He definitely did some nice things. Here was Chao saying he isn't quite himself yet.

 
McVay doubled down on no Kupp trade again this morning saying "that's not what we want to do." So unless ownership forces it, sounds like he's staying.
 
Well, the snap count was
Demarcus Ribinson 85%
Cooper Kupp 58%
Puka Nacua 57%

That makes me feel a little better - there is room for Kupp to gain more snaps. Plus he drew a pair of DPI which also suggests involvement in the offense.
 
Dr. Chao speculated earlier in the week that he wasn’t 100% based on practice footage and even thought he might miss the game. A 5/51/1 stat line was pretty good considering. On top of that, the Rams won and look like they’re going to keep him around. Staying with Stafford and the Rams is likely the best possible outcome for his fantasy numbers the rest of the season. If he didn’t have any setbacks with the ankle, it was a great night Kupp owners.
Two things I saw of note:

1. The catch where he drew the flag and was carried out of bounds was a dang good catch.
2. On the play where he was pushed out of bounds to stop the clock, he put up a pretty good fight for having a bad ankle.
He also rolled his left ankle in the process. He came up wincing but no way for us to know if he reaggravated something until next week.

I would watch the practice reports closely though. At his age, just coming back from multiple ankle injuries, I'm definitely worried about a reaggravation from that specific play.

Yea, I remember noting it was his right ankle that rolled on that last play. Do we know which ankle forced him to miss time ?
 
Dr. Chao speculated earlier in the week that he wasn’t 100% based on practice footage and even thought he might miss the game. A 5/51/1 stat line was pretty good considering. On top of that, the Rams won and look like they’re going to keep him around. Staying with Stafford and the Rams is likely the best possible outcome for his fantasy numbers the rest of the season. If he didn’t have any setbacks with the ankle, it was a great night Kupp owners.
Two things I saw of note:

1. The catch where he drew the flag and was carried out of bounds was a dang good catch.
2. On the play where he was pushed out of bounds to stop the clock, he put up a pretty good fight for having a bad ankle.
He also rolled his left ankle in the process. He came up wincing but no way for us to know if he reaggravated something until next week.

I would watch the practice reports closely though. At his age, just coming back from multiple ankle injuries, I'm definitely worried about a reaggravation from that specific play.

Yea, I remember noting it was his right ankle that rolled on that last play. Do we know which ankle forced him to miss time ?
Left. For what it's worth he was walking around doing interviews after the game and looked fine. Stood in the locker room and answered questions for a long time. Looked fine walking off the field.
 
Dr. Chao speculated earlier in the week that he wasn’t 100% based on practice footage and even thought he might miss the game. A 5/51/1 stat line was pretty good considering. On top of that, the Rams won and look like they’re going to keep him around. Staying with Stafford and the Rams is likely the best possible outcome for his fantasy numbers the rest of the season. If he didn’t have any setbacks with the ankle, it was a great night Kupp owners.
Two things I saw of note:

1. The catch where he drew the flag and was carried out of bounds was a dang good catch.
2. On the play where he was pushed out of bounds to stop the clock, he put up a pretty good fight for having a bad ankle.
He also rolled his left ankle in the process. He came up wincing but no way for us to know if he reaggravated something until next week.

I would watch the practice reports closely though. At his age, just coming back from multiple ankle injuries, I'm definitely worried about a reaggravation from that specific play.

Yea, I remember noting it was his right ankle that rolled on that last play. Do we know which ankle forced him to miss time ?
Left. For what it's worth he was walking around doing interviews after the game and looked fine. Stood in the locker room and answered questions for a long time. Looked fine walking off the field.


Good to know. Thanks.
 
Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.
 
Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.
Yep, I have Kupp & could never understand how rankings up until this week had Kupp above Puka. He basically runs 3 yards routes and that's about it.
 
Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.
Yep, I have Kupp & could never understand how rankings up until this week had Kupp above Puka. He basically runs 3 yards routes and that's about it.
Recency bias is strong with these posts.

Their targets change week to week. Kupp does more than just run 3 yard routes - he was targeted deep a few times.

The Eagles have a very good secondary. I was impressed the Rams were able to do as much as they did through the air.

But it’s 1 game. Kupp put up 20. That’s the take-away here.

I’d take it week to week. Before the TD he was blanketed all night. Other weeks he’ll be less blanketed against inferior defensive backs.
 
Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.
Or, maybe defenses are keying on Kupp.
That's not what my eyes are seeing and I've watched every snap of the last two games.
 
Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.
Or, maybe defenses are keying on Kupp.
That's not what my eyes are seeing and I've watched every snap of the last two games.
You're seeing what the rest of us are seeing. It's what we can't see that may be why Puka appears to be the #1 option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for a fight. But I disagree when you say Puka is soooooo the #1 option and it's not even close.

Targets over last 5 weeks
Kupp 8, 14, 7, 10, 11
Puka 9, 4, 14, 9, 13
 
Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.
Or, maybe defenses are keying on Kupp.
That's not what my eyes are seeing and I've watched every snap of the last two games.
You're seeing what the rest of us are seeing. It's what we can't see that may be why Puka appears to be the #1 option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for a fight. But I disagree when you say Puka is soooooo the #1 option and it's not even close.

Targets over last 5 weeks
Kupp 8, 14, 7, 10, 11
Puka 9, 4, 14, 9, 13
I guess we can agree to disagree.

It's all good. I'm just ratcheting down my expectations a little for the ROS. Hope I'm completely wrong.
 
Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.
Or, maybe defenses are keying on Kupp.
That's not what my eyes are seeing and I've watched every snap of the last two games.
You're seeing what the rest of us are seeing. It's what we can't see that may be why Puka appears to be the #1 option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for a fight. But I disagree when you say Puka is soooooo the #1 option and it's not even close.

Targets over last 5 weeks
Kupp 8, 14, 7, 10, 11
Puka 9, 4, 14, 9, 13
I guess we can agree to disagree.

It's all good. I'm just ratcheting down my expectations a little for the ROS. Hope I'm completely wrong.
How many WRs ROS would you rather have than Kupp?
 
Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.
Yep, I have Kupp & could never understand how rankings up until this week had Kupp above Puka. He basically runs 3 yards routes and that's about it.
Nacua 2nd. Kupp 3rd ROS in FBG going forward rankings. Isn’t that too high for Kupp? His fantasy playoff schedule looks rough. Which includes W15 short week.
 
Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.
Or, maybe defenses are keying on Kupp.
That's not what my eyes are seeing and I've watched every snap of the last two games.
You're seeing what the rest of us are seeing. It's what we can't see that may be why Puka appears to be the #1 option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for a fight. But I disagree when you say Puka is soooooo the #1 option and it's not even close.

Targets over last 5 weeks
Kupp 8, 14, 7, 10, 11
Puka 9, 4, 14, 9, 13
I guess we can agree to disagree.

It's all good. I'm just ratcheting down my expectations a little for the ROS. Hope I'm completely wrong.
How many WRs ROS would you rather have than Kupp?
i'd probably put him 7th or 8th.
 
Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.
Or, maybe defenses are keying on Kupp.
That's not what my eyes are seeing and I've watched every snap of the last two games.
You're seeing what the rest of us are seeing. It's what we can't see that may be why Puka appears to be the #1 option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for a fight. But I disagree when you say Puka is soooooo the #1 option and it's not even close.

Targets over last 5 weeks
Kupp 8, 14, 7, 10, 11
Puka 9, 4, 14, 9, 13
I guess we can agree to disagree.

It's all good. I'm just ratcheting down my expectations a little for the ROS. Hope I'm completely wrong.
How many WRs ROS would you rather have than Kupp?
i'd probably put him 7th or 8th.
I could try and acquire Lamb. Are they that far apart? Or risky with another loss and Dallas officially won’t be trying. Rams have a division still in play.
 
Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.
Or, maybe defenses are keying on Kupp.
That's not what my eyes are seeing and I've watched every snap of the last two games.
You're seeing what the rest of us are seeing. It's what we can't see that may be why Puka appears to be the #1 option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for a fight. But I disagree when you say Puka is soooooo the #1 option and it's not even close.

Targets over last 5 weeks
Kupp 8, 14, 7, 10, 11
Puka 9, 4, 14, 9, 13
I guess we can agree to disagree.

It's all good. I'm just ratcheting down my expectations a little for the ROS. Hope I'm completely wrong.
Kupp 50 targets
Puka 49 targets

Due respect, but you’re agreeing to disageee with math. lol
 
Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.
Or, maybe defenses are keying on Kupp.
That's not what my eyes are seeing and I've watched every snap of the last two games.
You're seeing what the rest of us are seeing. It's what we can't see that may be why Puka appears to be the #1 option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for a fight. But I disagree when you say Puka is soooooo the #1 option and it's not even close.

Targets over last 5 weeks
Kupp 8, 14, 7, 10, 11
Puka 9, 4, 14, 9, 13
I guess we can agree to disagree.

It's all good. I'm just ratcheting down my expectations a little for the ROS. Hope I'm completely wrong.
Kupp 50 targets
Puka 49 targets

Due respect, but you’re agreeing to disageee with math. lol
Not all targets are created equal. I'd be curious what the Adot is on these targets.

Listen, I'm not saying he's hot garbage. I'm glad to have him on my team, but based on what I've seen from Stafford, Puka, and Kupp, I think Kupp will be 2nd fiddle to Puka.

But that's not all bad.
 
Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.
Or, maybe defenses are keying on Kupp.
That's not what my eyes are seeing and I've watched every snap of the last two games.
You're seeing what the rest of us are seeing. It's what we can't see that may be why Puka appears to be the #1 option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for a fight. But I disagree when you say Puka is soooooo the #1 option and it's not even close.

Targets over last 5 weeks
Kupp 8, 14, 7, 10, 11
Puka 9, 4, 14, 9, 13
I guess we can agree to disagree.

It's all good. I'm just ratcheting down my expectations a little for the ROS. Hope I'm completely wrong.
Kupp 50 targets
Puka 49 targets

Due respect, but you’re agreeing to disageee with math. lol
Not all targets are created equal. I'd be curious what the Adot is on these targets.

Listen, I'm not saying he's hot garbage. I'm glad to have him on my team, but based on what I've seen from Stafford, Puka, and Kupp, I think Kupp will be 2nd fiddle to Puka.

But that's not all bad.
And I think you’re drawing this conclusion based on a two game sample size, when the reality is that over the last six or seven weeks they flip-flopped periodically depending on who they’re facing. It’s still a 1-A and 1-B situation.

Difficult to predict who’s going to be the A or B week to week, but they’re both productive.
 
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Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.
Or, maybe defenses are keying on Kupp.
That's not what my eyes are seeing and I've watched every snap of the last two games.
You're seeing what the rest of us are seeing. It's what we can't see that may be why Puka appears to be the #1 option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for a fight. But I disagree when you say Puka is soooooo the #1 option and it's not even close.

Targets over last 5 weeks
Kupp 8, 14, 7, 10, 11
Puka 9, 4, 14, 9, 13
I guess we can agree to disagree.

It's all good. I'm just ratcheting down my expectations a little for the ROS. Hope I'm completely wrong.
Kupp 50 targets
Puka 49 targets

Due respect, but you’re agreeing to disageee with math. lol
Not all targets are created equal. I'd be curious what the Adot is on these targets.

Listen, I'm not saying he's hot garbage. I'm glad to have him on my team, but based on what I've seen from Stafford, Puka, and Kupp, I think Kupp will be 2nd fiddle to Puka.

But that's not all bad.
And I think you’re drawing this conclusion based on a two game sample size, when the reality is that over the last six or seven weeks they flip-flopped periodically depending on who they’re facing. It’s still a 1-A and 1-B situation.

Difficult to predict who’s going to be the A or B week to week, but they’re both productive.
The eye test tells me that Puka is taking over the routes that Kupp used to run all the time. That is why I believe Puka has taken over the 1 spot. That is definitely not saying that Kupp is useless but that he isn't getting the same usage (route types) that he did in the past and that Puka has taken those.

Both are still quality FF players but I think there has been a slight passing of the torch.
 
The eye test tells me that Puka is taking over the routes that Kupp used to run all the time. That is why I believe Puka has taken over the 1 spot. That is definitely not saying that Kupp is useless but that he isn't getting the same usage (route types) that he did in the past and that Puka has taken those.

Both are still quality FF players but I think there has been a slight passing of the torch.
It's possible. It's also possible that Puka is benefitting from Kupp drawing top coverage. It's also possible that the defensive scheme they face dictates usage to some degree. I haven't seen defenses roll coverage to double Puka.

I don't think it's as cut & dry as saying "Puka has taken over the WR1 role" - it sounds like post hoc analysis based on results, not cause.

Again, I concede you may be correct - but I'm not convinced yet. If he has, there's not a whole lot of separation between them, and it could still flip back depending on the week.
 
it sounds like post hoc analysis based on results, not cause.
I am not basing on results. I am basing it on what I am seeing in games. Puka is running the routes that Kupp used to run. It could be coverages, etc. It just seems like Puka is in the old Kupp role as far as route types. Just what my eyeballs are telling me. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
it sounds like post hoc analysis based on results, not cause.
I am not basing on results. I am basing it on what I am seeing in games. Puka is running the routes that Kupp used to run. It could be coverages, etc. It just seems like Puka is in the old Kupp role as far as route types. Just what my eyeballs are telling me. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yup. This is what my eyes are telling me as well.
 

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