WR Cooper Kupp, SEA (4 Viewers)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

it sounds like post hoc analysis based on results, not cause.

I am not basing on results. I am basing it on what I am seeing in games. Puka is running the routes that Kupp used to run. It could be coverages, etc. It just seems like Puka is in the old Kupp role as far as route types. Just what my eyeballs are telling me. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yup. This is what my eyes are telling me as well.

Unlike apparently you two have, I have not memorized Kupp’s route tree to confirm or deny that Puka is running the routes that Kupp used to.

Seems a smidge far-fetched, but I won’t cast doubt on y’all’s FF acumen.

 

[kyoun1e]

it sounds like post hoc analysis based on results, not cause.

I am not basing on results. I am basing it on what I am seeing in games. Puka is running the routes that Kupp used to run. It could be coverages, etc. It just seems like Puka is in the old Kupp role as far as route types. Just what my eyeballs are telling me. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yup. This is what my eyes are telling me as well.

Unlike apparently you two have, I have not memorized Kupp’s route tree to confirm or deny that Puka is running the routes that Kupp used to.

Seems a smidge far-fetched, but I won’t cast doubt on y’all’s FF acumen.

Here's to Kupp out targeting and out producing Puka this week by 2x.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

it sounds like post hoc analysis based on results, not cause.

I am not basing on results. I am basing it on what I am seeing in games. Puka is running the routes that Kupp used to run. It could be coverages, etc. It just seems like Puka is in the old Kupp role as far as route types. Just what my eyeballs are telling me. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yup. This is what my eyes are telling me as well.

Unlike apparently you two have, I have not memorized Kupp’s route tree to confirm or deny that Puka is running the routes that Kupp used to.

Seems a smidge far-fetched, but I won’t cast doubt on y’all’s FF acumen.

Here's to Kupp out targeting and out producing Puka this week by 2x.

I have no idea what their target share will be this week.

No one does.

That’s the point.

 

[BassNBrew]

Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.

Or, maybe defenses are keying on Kupp.

That's not what my eyes are seeing and I've watched every snap of the last two games.

You're seeing what the rest of us are seeing. It's what we can't see that may be why Puka appears to be the #1 option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for a fight. But I disagree when you say Puka is soooooo the #1 option and it's not even close.

Targets over last 5 weeks
Kupp 8, 14, 7, 10, 11
Puka 9, 4, 14, 9, 13

I guess we can agree to disagree.

It's all good. I'm just ratcheting down my expectations a little for the ROS. Hope I'm completely wrong.

Kupp 50 targets
Puka 49 targets

Due respect, but you’re agreeing to disageee with math. lol

That includes one week where Puka came into the game injured. I'd look at the last 3 weeks. Not only is Puka crushing in targets, he has 100 more yards. Also Kupp was pulled to DRob near the endzone on one play at least.

 

[BassNBrew]

FBG has Kupp at #3. If I'm a Kupp owner I'm offering to every ASB, Brown, Nico, and Jefferson owner and see if they agree with FBG.

 

[kyoun1e]

Tough matchup last night for sure, but usage was terrible.

Puka is sooooo the #1 option in this offense. It's not even close.

Was disgusted, went up to go to bed, and then he got that garbage time TD late that I will gladly take.

Don't really see any matchups to be fearful of the rest of the way.

Or, maybe defenses are keying on Kupp.

That's not what my eyes are seeing and I've watched every snap of the last two games.

You're seeing what the rest of us are seeing. It's what we can't see that may be why Puka appears to be the #1 option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking for a fight. But I disagree when you say Puka is soooooo the #1 option and it's not even close.

Targets over last 5 weeks
Kupp 8, 14, 7, 10, 11
Puka 9, 4, 14, 9, 13

I guess we can agree to disagree.

It's all good. I'm just ratcheting down my expectations a little for the ROS. Hope I'm completely wrong.

Kupp 50 targets
Puka 49 targets

Due respect, but you’re agreeing to disageee with math. lol

That includes one week where Puka came into the game injured. I'd look at the last 3 weeks. Not only is Puka crushing in targets, he has 100 more yards. Also Kupp was pulled to DRob near the endzone on one play at least.

Yeah, I don't know. I watch Puka in this offense and he is an absolute stud. I don't blame them for making him the first read. He's a rare breed.

Kupp will still get his, but I think it's Puka who could lead teams to the promised land during the playoffs.

 

[Gottabesweet]

FBG has Kupp at #3. If I'm a Kupp owner I'm offering to every ASB, Brown, Nico, and Jefferson owner and see if they agree with FBG.

Not Lamb?

Was thinking Lamb/Monty for Kupp/Dobbins

 

[the spanker]

FBG has Kupp at #3. If I'm a Kupp owner I'm offering to every ASB, Brown, Nico, and Jefferson owner and see if they agree with FBG.

Not Lamb?

Was thinking Lamb/Monty for Kupp/Dobbins

Dobbins?

 

[Gottabesweet]

FBG has Kupp at #3. If I'm a Kupp owner I'm offering to every ASB, Brown, Nico, and Jefferson owner and see if they agree with FBG.

Not Lamb?

Was thinking Lamb/Monty for Kupp/Dobbins

Dobbins?

Yeah I would try to unload Dobbins assuming he’s out 1-2 weeks.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

FBG has Kupp at #3. If I'm a Kupp owner I'm offering to every ASB, Brown, Nico, and Jefferson owner and see if they agree with FBG.

Not Lamb?

Was thinking Lamb/Monty for Kupp/Dobbins

IMO no dynasty owner will touch Kupp for any of the younger elite WR.

In all my leagues the deadline has passed anyway.

 

[Gottabesweet]

FBG has Kupp at #3. If I'm a Kupp owner I'm offering to every ASB, Brown, Nico, and Jefferson owner and see if they agree with FBG.

Not Lamb?

Was thinking Lamb/Monty for Kupp/Dobbins

IMO no dynasty owner will touch Kupp for any of the younger elite WR.

In all my leagues the deadline has passed anyway.

This is redraft. I only care about W15-17

 

[kyoun1e]

Puka Nacua has out-targeted Cooper Kupp 50-37 in their four full games

Nacua also has a 525-311 air yards lead over Kupp in those contests. Nacua’s 41 percent first-read target share dwarfs Kupp’s 29 percent rate. Kupp is still seeing plenty of looks, but Nacua is the Rams’ No. 1 receiver.

 

[BassNBrew]

FBG has Kupp at #3. If I'm a Kupp owner I'm offering to every ASB, Brown, Nico, and Jefferson owner and see if they agree with FBG.

Not Lamb?

Was thinking Lamb/Monty for Kupp/Dobbins

I personally wouldn't move Kupp for anyone not playing in meaningful games. Guess if depends if you think lamb wants to embarrass Dak even more.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is redraft. I only care about W15-17

Yeah, all my redraft deadlines have past.

That said, I’d trade you Lamb for Kupp in redraft pretty quickly if I could.

 

[Gottabesweet]

FBG has Kupp at #3. If I'm a Kupp owner I'm offering to every ASB, Brown, Nico, and Jefferson owner and see if they agree with FBG.

Not Lamb?

Was thinking Lamb/Monty for Kupp/Dobbins

I personally wouldn't move Kupp for anyone not playing in meaningful games. Guess if depends if you think lamb wants to embarrass Dak even more.

I think Dallas will be 5-8 come W15 and the Rams 6-7 at best. Tough to figure out. Both likely not playing for much come fantasy playoffs.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think Dallas will be 5-8 come W15 and the Rams 6-7 at best. Tough to figure out. Both likely not playing for much come fantasy playoffs.

Rams are fighting for the division. NFCW is wide open.

I don’t see Lamb quitting on the team if eliminated.

But Kupp is a safer bet for production due to QB alone. Plus they’ll still be fighting for the division.

 

[Tin Cup]

Puka Nacua has out-targeted Cooper Kupp 50-37 in their four full games

Nacua also has a 525-311 air yards lead over Kupp in those contests. Nacua’s 41 percent first-read target share dwarfs Kupp’s 29 percent rate. Kupp is still seeing plenty of looks, but Nacua is the Rams’ No. 1 receiver.

Maybe take it to the Nacua thread?

 

[BassNBrew]

As expected. Hope some of you guys were able to move him. I wasn’t

 

[irish eyes]

As expected. Hope some of you guys were able to move him. I wasn’t

No one in my league was dumb enough to trade for him. I tried & got instant rejections. I guess that juicy 2.5 yards per target isn't to enticing.

 

[Insein]

Traded him away back in week 9. Phew

 

[kyoun1e]

Puka Nacua has out-targeted Cooper Kupp 50-37 in their four full games

Nacua also has a 525-311 air yards lead over Kupp in those contests. Nacua’s 41 percent first-read target share dwarfs Kupp’s 29 percent rate. Kupp is still seeing plenty of looks, but Nacua is the Rams’ No. 1 receiver.

Maybe take it to the Nacua thread?

No. I was just attempting so set expectations.

As I said, Puka is the #1 option.

 

[Faust]

Kupp sets record, most receptions in first 100 career games

 

[BassNBrew]

Top dog in LA is settled now correct?

 

[The Kerminator]

Not sure Kupp is even rosterable anymore.
Would you still trust him in your playoffs?

 

[irish eyes]

Not sure Kupp is even rosterable anymore.
Would you still trust him in your playoffs?

It's crazy all these sites always rank him in top 10 every week. Like they don't even pay attention to any games, it's lazy.

 

[The Kerminator]

Not sure Kupp is even rosterable anymore.
Would you still trust him in your playoffs?

It's crazy all these sites always rank him in top 10 every week. Like they don't even pay attention to any games, it's lazy.

Admittedly, not even rosterable is a bit of hyperbole. But he's not an automatic start anymore.

 

[BassNBrew]

Stafford is locked onto Puka.

 

[BassNBrew]

It worked!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mitchie]

He's terrible, everyone should drop him

 

[belljr]

Tough room

 

[tommyGunZ]

Not sure Kupp is even rosterable anymore.
Would you still trust him in your playoffs?

Is this real?

 

[The Kerminator]

Not sure Kupp is even rosterable anymore.
Would you still trust him in your playoffs?

Is this real?

Yes. Works every time

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Not sure Kupp is even rosterable anymore.
Would you still trust him in your playoffs?

Good gravy

 

[JoeJoe88]

Stafford is locked onto Puka.

I mean wouldn’t you be? Have you seen some of his catches tonight?

 

[Payne]

Not sure Kupp is even rosterable anymore.
Would you still trust him in your playoffs?

It's crazy all these sites always rank him in top 10 every week. Like they don't even pay attention to any games, it's lazy.

Kupp is #11 WR on the week so far.

 

[kyoun1e]

Not sure Kupp is even rosterable anymore.
Would you still trust him in your playoffs?

It's crazy all these sites always rank him in top 10 every week. Like they don't even pay attention to any games, it's lazy.

Kupp is #11 WR on the week so far.

Can't complain about yesterday, but Puka is and will continue to be the #1 read.

Just have to hope that this offense keeps rolling because if it does Kupp should get his.

 

[The Kerminator]

Not sure Kupp is even rosterable anymore.
Would you still trust him in your playoffs?

Is this real?

Unfortunately, yes. If the 1st half is any indication Kupp owners won't have to worry about it anymore

 

[BassNBrew]

Not sure Kupp is even rosterable anymore.
Would you still trust him in your playoffs?

Is this real?

Unfortunately, yes. If the 1st half is any indication Kupp owners won't have to worry about it anymore

He couldn't catch a cold, especially from Stafford who totally shuns him now.

 

[Jppaul]

Not sure Kupp is even rosterable anymore.
Would you still trust him in your playoffs?

Is this real?

Unfortunately, yes. If the 1st half is any indication Kupp owners won't have to worry about it anymore

So frustrating

 

[irish eyes]

He is going to finish with a big fat zero 1st week of playoffs. I almost pulled the trigger & sat him, had a bad feeling.

 

[BlackCrowes]

benched him

;pats self on the back:

who knows, maybe this reverse jinxes him in the 2nd half for the rest of you.

 

[irish eyes]

benched him

;pats self on the back:

who knows, maybe this reverse jinxes him in the 2nd half for the rest of you.

It didn't work, Stafford doesn't even look his way anymore. But hey, the pros rank him inside the top 10 to 15 every week. Pathetic

 

[joey]

Thankfully I only have him on 1 team that’s on a bye. Phew.

 

[ShamrockPride]

He's terrible, everyone should drop him

Nailed it.

 

[irish eyes]

Would need a miracle to win playoff game this week, but I would never start Kupp again. Along with any horrible jet RB.

 

[jtd13]

Well he ran a lot of motion today. Great for my points per pre snap motion league.

 

[Scooby1974]

Bad week to toss up a goose egg.

 

[Dizzy]

Well he ran a lot of motion today. Great for my points per pre snap motion league.

Short week, slow track... looked very slow off the line tonight.

 

[irish eyes]

Well he ran a lot of motion today. Great for my points per pre snap motion league.

Short week, slow track... looked very slow off the line tonight.

Also doesn't help when the QB ignores you the entire @@@@@@@ game. I hope the Rams miss the playoffs now

 

[travdogg]

It sucks for the people who started him, but man he's gonna be fine going forward. Coming into this game Kupp was WR6 in PPG in PPR. His 4 weeks prior to this he scored: 28.6, 22.0, 4.7, and 20.2, which was WR5 over that stretch.

If you advanced despite this egg, you start him next week, if you are in a guillotine league, he's a premier target if his team loses.