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WR Davante Adams, LAR (3 Viewers)

nittanylion said:
People in that line of work are made fully aware that they are putting themselves at risk when agreeing to work in those environments.
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No, not to be shoved to the ground.
nittanylion said:
I sure hope this is vetted to the 'nth' degree before any action is taken against Adams' playing time, or finances.
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Absolutely insane that people are worried about a professional athlete’s finances when he is clearly in the wrong. Omg I hope Adams doesn’t miss that 100k he’s about to pay out.
 
Capella said:
No, not to be shoved to the ground.
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I agree with you and won't diminish the action. That said, at the height of emotion to have somebody shoving a camera in your face coming from seemingly out of nowhere is probably the best excuse for a shove than anything short of physical contact. Having somebody come out of nowhere to obstruct your path is threatening on an evolutionary level.

That also said, the cameraman was just doing his job and shouldn't get shoved like that.
 
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TheWinz said:
I hope the cameraman isn't severely injured from his brush with death.
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So weird how people are just casually ok with stuff like this. Bizarre country we live in.
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Yes, this is not news. Once you've got Capitol Police getting beat with "Blue Lives Matter" flags and then the treasonists get explained away as "special people" or "tourists"... NOTHING surprises me anymore.
 
rockaction said:
Capella said:
No, not to be shoved to the ground.
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I agree with you and won't diminish the action. That said, at the height of emotion to have somebody shoving a camera in your face coming from seemingly out of nowhere is probably the best excuse for a shove than anything short of physical contact. Having somebody come out of nowhere to obstruct your path is threatening on an evolutionary level.

That also said, the cameraman was just doing his job and shouldn't get shoved like that.
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Looked to me like the guy was passing by, not shoving a camera in his face. Also, in his "apology" if he said the guy came out of nowhere and I reacted, I might be able to go along with that. He didnt say that. He said it was frustration.
 
Cjw_55106 said:
Looked to me like the guy was passing by, not shoving a camera in his face. Also, in his "apology" if he said the guy came out of nowhere and I reacted, I might be able to go along with that. He didnt say that. He said it was frustration.
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Fair enough. I saw the clip, too. I have no idea if he was startled or not, but an absence of an excuse doesn't mean that wasn't the case. You know? But yeah, he should not have shoved the dude and blowing it off and making light of the cameraman's physical tumble is a bad look.
 
rockaction said:
That said, at the height of emotion to have somebody shoving a camera in your face coming from seemingly out of nowhere ...
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The cameraman wasn't using a camera and had nothing pointed at Adams. It looked to me like he was stowing his gear when Adams walked into the cameraman's personal space and pushed him down.

EDIT: See below -- the two men were both moving and crossed paths rather than Adams walking into a near-stationary camera/sound guy.
 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Did anyone see this angle? Won't justify what Adams did but I might be OK with just a fine after watching it from basically over his shoulder, it does seem like the camera man, sound guy ran right in front of him or almost into Adams and it sure doesn't look like Adams was seeking out a defenseless victim but the overhead camera shot looks much worse than watching it as if you were walking thru the tunnel into the locker room

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Thanks for this. First time seeing this angle. Didn't realize the camera/sound guy was moving forward.
 
After looking at both angles, it honestly look likes neither guy knew the other guy was coming. The camera man looked to be screened by the team personnel so maybe he thought he had a path there. And it also looked like Adams had his head down a bit and may have been screened by team personnel.

Maybe Adams was spooked and wasn't sure who was up in his business. But to me it looked like both guys had no idea the other was there until the last minute.

That being said: Adams shouldn't have done it. And if the photographer isn't hurt he doesn't need to be a doosh and file a police report and try to get money out of this thing. If he got injured then send your bill to the Raiders and let them take care of it.
 
Doug B said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Did anyone see this angle? Won't justify what Adams did but I might be OK with just a fine after watching it from basically over his shoulder, it does seem like the camera man, sound guy ran right in front of him or almost into Adams and it sure doesn't look like Adams was seeking out a defenseless victim but the overhead camera shot looks much worse than watching it as if you were walking thru the tunnel into the locker room

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Thanks for this. First time seeing this angle. Didn't realize the camera/sound guy was moving forward.
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It changes your perspective.
I'm not condoning what Adams did but if you watch that camera angle you feel a lot different vs the overhead and then add in the fact he can't see that well in his peripherals with that helmet on his head still, and the guy is moving forward like you say.
We're quick to judge, I certainly was but after viewing it more from the eyes of where Adams was walking and looking, I would be disappointed if he got a lot more than a hefty fine.
 
ChiefD said:
After looking at both angles, it honestly look likes neither guy knew the other guy was coming. The camera man looked to be screened by the team personnel so maybe he thought he had a path there. And it also looked like Adams had his head down a bit and may have been screened by team personnel.

Maybe Adams was spooked and wasn't sure who was up in his business. But to me it looked like both guys had no idea the other was there until the last minute.

That being said: Adams shouldn't have done it. And if the photographer isn't hurt he doesn't need to be a doosh and file a police report and try to get money out of this thing. If he got injured then send your bill to the Raiders and let them take care of it.
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I'm getting down voted to hell over at Reddit for saying basically this.

The amount of turds saying "I wish an athlete would push me. Get that bag, homie" is through the roof.


It's difficult to defend the shove, Adams is definitely in the wrong, but they were probably going to collide anyway. And IMO, Devante has the clear "right of way". Camera guy looks like an idiot, Adams looks like a jerk. Call it a day.
 
camera guy seemed intent on making contact with davante. if adams doesn't put his hands out, they run into each other and the camera guy goes down anyway.

why wasn't davante paying closer attention to someone randomly blocking the path into the tunnel? maybe it had to do with all the trash being thrown at the players and racial slurs. of course he was in a hurry to get inside the tunnel in that environment.

if this happened in vegas with a chiefs player running into the guy. I'd feel the exact same way. keep idiots out of the way at the end of games so players can exit the field quickly and safely.
 
I hope he does not get suspended but it was a bully/punk move by a frustrated Adams. Can't believe some of you are trying to actaully shift blame.
 
I don't have him on fantasy. not playing this year. too many people let the media decide their opinion for them. I don't. I've seen a number of these same reporters backtrack once they see the better camera angle, but the damage is done.
 

Davante Adams was charged with misdemeanor assault after shoving a cameraman in Week 5.​

The cameraman, a freelancer working for ESPN during Monday Night Football, claims to have suffered a "possible minor concussion" and "whiplash" and filed a police report against Adams. Adams apologized for the incident on social media, but this is clearly not going away any time soon. Adams could face serious discipline from the NFL, including a suspension. His court date is set for November 10. The Raiders have a bye in Week 6.
SOURCE: Josh Dubow on Twitter
Oct 12, 2022, 11:27 AM ET
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Predicting a 1-game “example” suspension coming for Adams.

Can’t go shoving civilians to the ground like that. That’s assault, man.

I’m sure dude will get paid handsomely & will drop the charges, but the NFL will have to act. Soon as the video dropped it seemed inevitable.
 
If the guy filed a police report, don't they have to charge him with something since the video evidence is clear? No matter what camera angle you watch, Adams pushed him. Both arms extended.
Really, there was no reason to file a report imo. Just fine Adams and suspend him a game. It wasn't a hard push and the guy ran in front of him, but you have to demonstrate that intentional physical contact with non-player personnel isn't okay. It doesn't have to be a huge deal, but it can't be nothing. The league could give the kid Super Bowl tickets and call it a day. But now it will get messy.
 
OU#1 said:
I’m sure they are all Adams owners and I find it hilarious 😂
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I don't have him and am a Raider hater. I think he pulled an ahole move, but don't see much of a way to avoid the collision.

I'd like the league to weigh in on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a "stay out of the players way when they're coming off the field" policy that the camera man f'd up on.
 
when you get a better look at it.....I compare what Adams did to someone jumping out in front of you trying to scare you or something....and you react...dude wasn't paying attention to where he was going and came out of nowhere very quickly and kind of cut Adams off and got into his bubble/personal space....I could easily see how the reaction was to put your arms up and shove whatever it is away....to me part of the problem was he didn't realize kind of what was happening (probably because he was angry) and he didn't immediately reach down and help the guy up once he realized what he did....if he helps him up, the optics would have looked a lot better then just walking away....it might have taken a little of the steam off of it and it goes away quickly....."sorry dude, you kind of startled me, my bad"....and help him up...good thing is if he gets suspended for a game....its against HOU....
 
raidersraidersraiders said:
are you really not allowed to push someone away who is running right into you with a piece of equipment? people are so goofy.
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These players have been doing this their entire professional careers. The photographers and journalists on the sidelines and near the tunnel are part of the every day landscape. The players know they are there, & they can easily run past them without incident. It is preposterous to make excuses for a player committing assault. it’s OK for Adams to be angry. It is not OK for him to put his hands on a sideline photographer. You can’t put this on the photographer in any way. cmon man.
 
we see videos all the time of people jumping out of trash cans or pretending to be a fake bush or something and startle people in their personal space and they end up getting knocked the F out .....it really feels like that to me....and I think his comment about being frustrated instead of saying startled is unfortunately a bad choice of words when kind of explaining it....we know he was frustrated that is obvious and probably the reason more why he didn't help the guy up than pushing him to begin with.....again if he helps him up instead of walking off, this would probably be more of a "nothing to see here" moment....
 
Stinkin Ref said:
we see videos all the time of people jumping out of trash cans or pretending to be a fake bush or something and startle people in their personal space and they end up getting knocked the F out .....it really feels like that to me....and I think his comment about being frustrated instead of saying startled is unfortunately a bad choice of words when kind of explaining it....we know he was frustrated that is obvious and probably the reason more why he didn't help the guy up than pushing him to begin with.....again if he helps him up instead of walking off, this would probably be more of a "nothing to see here" moment....
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But the photographer did not jump out of a trashcan. He didn’t jump out in front of him and yell “boo!“. He was very obviously a photographer walking with his camera. The photographer was exactly where the photographer was supposed to be. Davante Adams simply decided to take out his frustration on that photographer. It was not OK.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
raidersraidersraiders said:
are you really not allowed to push someone away who is running right into you with a piece of equipment? people are so goofy.
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These players have been doing this their entire professional careers. The photographers and journalists on the sidelines and near the tunnel are part of the every day landscape. The players know they are there, & they can easily run past them without incident. It is preposterous to make excuses for a player committing assault. it’s OK for Adams to be angry. It is not OK for him to put his hands on a sideline photographer. You can’t put this on the photographer in any way. cmon man.
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you think this photographer didn't know better? is he not also a professional?


@tashanreed
Shouldn't push the guy, of course, but as on-field media we're not supposed to walk across the entrance/exit tunnel while players are entering/leaving the field for obvious reasons. Not sure why nobody stopped buddy.
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@tashanreed
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@MolllyMack
That's how he explained it in the locker room. He said he didn't see him until he was up on him and felt the bump, then his immediate reaction was to push. Lines up with the videos I've seen.
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
Stinkin Ref said:
we see videos all the time of people jumping out of trash cans or pretending to be a fake bush or something and startle people in their personal space and they end up getting knocked the F out .....it really feels like that to me....and I think his comment about being frustrated instead of saying startled is unfortunately a bad choice of words when kind of explaining it....we know he was frustrated that is obvious and probably the reason more why he didn't help the guy up than pushing him to begin with.....again if he helps him up instead of walking off, this would probably be more of a "nothing to see here" moment....
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But the photographer did not jump out of a trashcan. He didn’t jump out in front of him and yell “boo!“. He was very obviously a photographer walking with his camera. The photographer was exactly where the photographer was supposed to be. Davante Adams simply decided to take out his frustration on that photographer. It was not OK.
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I've watched as many angles as I can find....in each one... to be honest it looks like the guy is in a big hurry and cuts off Adams as he is heading into the entrance of the tunnel...that is just my view and the way I see it....others may see it differently.....if the photographer has more spatial awareness and doesn't cut Adams off, this probably doesn't happen.....I don't think Adams was "seeking out" this guy....I really think the guy startled him and he reacted....I think we all have to admit, the camera guy looked like he was in a hurry and cut Adams off...if you see it differently thats fine....I really don't care, it's just how I see it....he shouldn't have pushed him....no doubt....but I can see how he did it as a reaction given being cut off....he should have helped him up, and unfortunately for him saying " I was frustrated" instead of "startled" is what may end up costing him games and some cash...
 
raidersraidersraiders said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
raidersraidersraiders said:
are you really not allowed to push someone away who is running right into you with a piece of equipment? people are so goofy.
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These players have been doing this their entire professional careers. The photographers and journalists on the sidelines and near the tunnel are part of the every day landscape. The players know they are there, & they can easily run past them without incident. It is preposterous to make excuses for a player committing assault. it’s OK for Adams to be angry. It is not OK for him to put his hands on a sideline photographer. You can’t put this on the photographer in any way. cmon man.
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you think this photographer didn't know better? is he not also a professional?


@tashanreed
Shouldn't push the guy, of course, but as on-field media we're not supposed to walk across the entrance/exit tunnel while players are entering/leaving the field for obvious reasons. Not sure why nobody stopped buddy.
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@tashanreed
Replying to
@MolllyMack
That's how he explained it in the locker room. He said he didn't see him until he was up on him and felt the bump, then his immediate reaction was to push. Lines up with the videos I've seen.
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He should not have shoved him regardless.

That’s the beginning and the end of the discussion over who’s at fault.

The guy who shoved the other guy is at fault. 100%
 
Stinkin Ref said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Stinkin Ref said:
we see videos all the time of people jumping out of trash cans or pretending to be a fake bush or something and startle people in their personal space and they end up getting knocked the F out .....it really feels like that to me....and I think his comment about being frustrated instead of saying startled is unfortunately a bad choice of words when kind of explaining it....we know he was frustrated that is obvious and probably the reason more why he didn't help the guy up than pushing him to begin with.....again if he helps him up instead of walking off, this would probably be more of a "nothing to see here" moment....
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But the photographer did not jump out of a trashcan. He didn’t jump out in front of him and yell “boo!“. He was very obviously a photographer walking with his camera. The photographer was exactly where the photographer was supposed to be. Davante Adams simply decided to take out his frustration on that photographer. It was not OK.
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I've watched as many angles as I can find....in each one... to be honest it looks like the guy is in a big hurry and cuts off Adams as he is heading into the entrance of the tunnel...that is just my view and the way I see it....others may see it differently.....if the photographer has more spatial awareness and doesn't cut Adams off, this probably doesn't happen.....I don't think Adams was "seeking out" this guy....I really think the guy startled him and he reacted....I think we all have to admit, the camera guy looked like he was in a hurry and cut Adams off...if you see it differently thats fine....I really don't care, it's just how I see it....he shouldn't have pushed him....no doubt....but I can see how he did it as a reaction given being cut off....he should have helped him up, and unfortunately for him saying " I was frustrated" instead of "startled" is what may end up costing him games and some cash...
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He shoved him.

That’s it. That’s the problem here.

Not where the photographer was, not what color he was wearing, not whether he’s religious or not.

Davante Adams was mad and shoved a photographer because he was a convenient outlet for his anger.

And he’ll be fined and/or suspended for it.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
raidersraidersraiders said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
raidersraidersraiders said:
are you really not allowed to push someone away who is running right into you with a piece of equipment? people are so goofy.
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These players have been doing this their entire professional careers. The photographers and journalists on the sidelines and near the tunnel are part of the every day landscape. The players know they are there, & they can easily run past them without incident. It is preposterous to make excuses for a player committing assault. it’s OK for Adams to be angry. It is not OK for him to put his hands on a sideline photographer. You can’t put this on the photographer in any way. cmon man.
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you think this photographer didn't know better? is he not also a professional?


@tashanreed
Shouldn't push the guy, of course, but as on-field media we're not supposed to walk across the entrance/exit tunnel while players are entering/leaving the field for obvious reasons. Not sure why nobody stopped buddy.
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@tashanreed
Replying to
@MolllyMack
That's how he explained it in the locker room. He said he didn't see him until he was up on him and felt the bump, then his immediate reaction was to push. Lines up with the videos I've seen.
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He should not have shoved him regardless.

That’s the beginning and the end of the discussion over who’s at fault.

The guy who shoved the other guy is at fault. 100%
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Fully agree. Adams apologized in the post-game presser. Fine him, suspend him a game... whatever... let's move on.

With respect to the "ambulance chaser" aspect of this non-story... I can't support that.
 
Dizzy said:
raidersraidersraiders said:
are you really not allowed to push someone away who is running right into you with a piece of equipment? people are so goofy.
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Yeah but... he suffered a possible, mild concussion. He's lucky to be alive.
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This part is goofy as hell, I agree.

But ya know what would have prevented any sort of frivolous claim or police report?

Not shoving him to the ground. It’s really that easy. Adams opened himself up to this.

At that level, and making that salary, you simply can’t do that sort of petty bs.
 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Dizzy said:
raidersraidersraiders said:
are you really not allowed to push someone away who is running right into you with a piece of equipment? people are so goofy.
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Yeah but... he suffered a possible, mild concussion. He's lucky to be alive.
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This part is goofy as hell, I agree.

But ya know what would have prevented any sort of frivolous claim or police report?

Not shoving him to the ground. It’s really that easy. Adams opened himself up to this.

At that level, and making that salary, you simply can’t do that sort of petty bs.
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Agreed, but... Adams just blew the season for LV by not pulling that pass. Frustrated. I'm sure he wasn't thinking about his salary when he walked off the field.

Agreed he should be punished by the league for his action. Important to make this a zero tolerance situation.
 
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