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WR DeAndre Hopkins, BAL (2 Viewers)

massraider said:
Several owners recently suffered head injuries. 
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It went:

1.01 Lawrence

1.02 Lance

1.03 Fields

1.04 Chase 

1.05 Harris

1.06 ETN

1.07 Z. Wilson

1.08 (trade by me) Pitts

i almost took JaWill. I still wonder whether I should have, tbh. ATL is a-ways from competing. 

At the exact time of our draft, there was a massive debate in the FF ecosystem over whether Pitts would be a bust or live up to the Falcons draft pick. 

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
It went:

1.01 Lawrence

1.02 Lance

1.03 Fields

1.04 Chase 

1.05 Harris

1.06 ETN

1.07 Z. Wilson

1.08 (trade by me) Pitts

i almost took JaWill. I still wonder whether I should have, tbh. ATL is a-ways from competing. 

At the exact time of our draft, there was a massive debate in the FF ecosystem over whether Pitts would be a bust or live up to the Falcons draft pick. 
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Makes sense in a SF. Kinda surprised you didn't take (or at least consider) Mac Jones. 

 
travdogg said:
Makes sense in a SF. Kinda surprised you didn't take (or at least consider) Mac Jones. 
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I was, and am still not very high on Jones. I feel like we’ve seen close to his ceiling. It’s higher than I thought it would be, but it’s still not better than locking down the next generation’s elite TE, if that’s what Pitts is/becomes.  And if you recall, I was driving the Pitts fan bus last year.  :drive:

 
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Dr. Octopus said:
As much grief as Bill O’Brien got for trading him, Hopkins really hasn’t been the same since. I mean it was still a bad trade because of the return he got and taking on David Johnson but it didn’t really hurt the Texans much really - not sure who they took with the pick but having Hopkins wouldn’t make them any better.
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Yeah, as a Texans fan I feel a little better looking in the rearview but leaving all those draft picks on the table still hurts.  

 
Dr. Octopus said:
As much grief as Bill O’Brien got for trading him, Hopkins really hasn’t been the same since. I mean it was still a bad trade because of the return he got and taking on David Johnson but it didn’t really hurt the Texans much really - not sure who they took with the pick but having Hopkins wouldn’t make them any better.
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Disagree there as a Texans fan. Hop leaves and things fell apart unlike when Clowney left. Keep in mind JJ and Watson were still on the team that only won 4 games. 

Hop might not be the same player he once was, but to me he was clearly the catalyst to the Texans fast downfall into what they are now. 

 
Minnesota got a 1st, 5th, 6th and future 4th for Diggs like a week after the Hopkins trade as well. Who did the Vikings spend that 1st on you ask?

Justin Jefferson. Stupid BOB.  :kicksrock:

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
It went:

1.01 Lawrence

1.02 Lance

1.03 Fields

1.04 Chase 

1.05 Harris

1.06 ETN

1.07 Z. Wilson

1.08 (trade by me) Pitts

i almost took JaWill. I still wonder whether I should have, tbh. ATL is a-ways from competing. 

At the exact time of our draft, there was a massive debate in the FF ecosystem over whether Pitts would be a bust or live up to the Falcons draft pick. 
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Pitts is still going to be more than fine long term. I think this season you’re going to see a similar year to last year, where he’ll finish somewhere in that TE5-TE7 range. 2023, when they actually get their franchise QB on the roster, is when I expect him to really take off. I think numerous 1300+/10+ seasons are in store for him beginning in a few years. Just gotta ride out the storm. 
 

I am a HUGE Javonte fan and also believe he’s well on his way to being a star, but in 6 years when he’s been run into the ground and barely holding on as a Top 15 dynasty back Pitts still will have several more years of being the TE1. 

 
Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury said DeAndre Hopkins (knee) will be "full go" for training camp.

Hopkins' 2021 season was ended by a torn MCL in Week 14. Hopkins had to go under the knife after suffering the injury. He has been rehabbing during OTAs, but Kingsbury's comment indicates that the veteran receiver is nearly up to full speed. Though the knee injury won't cause him to miss any games, Hopkins still has to serve a six-week suspension for violating the league's PED policy. Marquise Brown and Zach Ertz should be locked into high-volume roles until Hopkins returns. 

SOURCE: Josh Weinfuss on Twitter

Jun 6, 2022, 4:26 PM ET
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
Yeah, but if the league said he popped positive it’s not like he can get a do-over. 

I’m skeptical it’ll be reduced. 
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Agreed, and I'd also add that I'd be a little concerned about him after the suspension is up. How much did the PEDs help? Cards have other talented WRs, is it any lock Hopkins comes back to the #1 role?

Side note, I really love a late round flier on Rondale Moore this year. 

 
TheDirtyWord said:
I plan on taking advantage of 1st half of season bias in drafts/auctions this year.
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What’s the advantage? Dude’s 30 and suspended 6 games.

how do we know he can manage to stay on the field and be productive without steroids?  

I haven’t seen his redraft ADP, but I’m probably avoiding him. If he falls far enough, sure - but I have a feeling he’s going to be taken higher than I want to take him.

My biggest concern is banking on a big 12 games from him & then he gets hurt so I only get 7. He’s no spring chicken. 

 
Big name receivers in the twilight of their careers seem to be on a bad run of late (Jones, Green, Hopkins...). There have been some good value picks over the years from this "demographic" but it seems like a revolving door of injury rehabilitation lately.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
What’s the advantage? Dude’s 30 and suspended 6 games.

how do we know he can manage to stay on the field and be productive without steroids?  

I haven’t seen his redraft ADP, but I’m probably avoiding him. If he falls far enough, sure - but I have a feeling he’s going to be taken higher than I want to take him.

My biggest concern is banking on a big 12 games from him & then he gets hurt so I only get 7. He’s no spring chicken. 
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Right now, it looks like Hopkins is getting ranked in the late 30's for the position.  My issue with most receivers that late is that the confidence to start them on a week-to-week basis is sketchy at best and a dart throw most weeks if they even emerge.  From 2013-2020, guy missed one game.  And his knee injury was an MCL issue, not really in the catastrophic realm like a patella or ACL.

Hopkins for half a season goes into my starting lineup come Week 7 until he shows he's not worthy.

 
In 2020 he was a pro bowl starter (for the 5th time). Last year either he or Murray was out or playing injured almost 3/4 of the season.  I know the cliff can appear from nowhere at 30, but if you are picking a WR around Aiyuk, Michael Thomas and Renfroe where he is getting drafted, I'll take my chances with 11 games of Hopkins. 

 
TheDirtyWord said:
I plan on taking advantage of 1st half of season bias in drafts/auctions this year.
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Indeed.

For multiple reasons it's the easiest time of the season to cover for a players absence and it's also the least impactful time of the fantasy season.

Odd thing for me is I've felt he was a tad overrated the last few years, not a lot, just a little and that was enough were I rarely drafted him, took him zero times last year on over 40 redrafts. Now that he's got a 3-5 round discount I'll probably have him on more teams this year then I have  had him on teams total for the duration of his career.

 
TheDirtyWord said:
Right now, it looks like Hopkins is getting ranked in the late 30's for the position.  My issue with most receivers that late is that the confidence to start them on a week-to-week basis is sketchy at best and a dart throw most weeks if they even emerge.  From 2013-2020, guy missed one game.  And his knee injury was an MCL issue, not really in the catastrophic realm like a patella or ACL.

Hopkins for half a season goes into my starting lineup come Week 7 until he shows he's not worthy.
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Possible. Like I said, I’m more concerned with ADP than WR ranking. It all depends on who’s on the board where I’d have to select him. I got Stafford in the 9th last year (IDP, so roughly equivalent to the 7th) - If that’s about where he’s going in redraft I’d rather grab a player who’s going to contribute all year, or at least has a chance to.’

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Possible. Like I said, I’m more concerned with ADP than WR ranking. It all depends on who’s on the board where I’d have to select him. I got Stafford in the 9th last year (IDP, so roughly equivalent to the 7th) - If that’s about where he’s going in redraft I’d rather grab a player who’s going to contribute all year, or at least has a chance to.’
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Going end of the 7th in 1/2 ppr per FP.

Here is +/- six picks:

Russell Wilson

Aaron Rodgers

Kareem Hunt*

Devin Singletary

Matthew Stafford

Darnell Mooney*

DeAndre Hopkins

Devonta Smith

JJSS

Gabriel Davis*

Tom Brady

Tyler Lockett*

Cordarelle Patterson

Obviously early in draft season and will obviously morph over time, but there are some really good value picks* in that range. Tough call to make.

 
@Hot Sauce GuyFwiw, Im in a FBG slow draft and just took Hopkins at the 7\8 turn (wr39), Toney & Devonta Smith went before and Renfrow, Lazard went soon after.  Figured I already have 3 wr starters & Hopkins "could" be a difference maker down the stretch. Did not want to take a qb there and fwiw2, half way through the 9th Stafford\Wilson\Brady\Prescott still on the board. 

 
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-jb- said:
Going end of the 7th in 1/2 ppr per FP.

Here is +/- six picks:

Russell Wilson

Aaron Rodgers

Kareem Hunt*

Devin Singletary

Matthew Stafford

Darnell Mooney*

DeAndre Hopkins

Devonta Smith

JJSS

Gabriel Davis*

Tom Brady

Tyler Lockett*

Cordarelle Patterson

Obviously early in draft season and will obviously morph over time, but there are some really good value picks* in that range. Tough call to make.
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Yeah - that's a really difficult list to choose from. I'd be more on likely 17 games out of Russ, Gabe Davis, Brady, Smith, Stafford, ARod or Singletary than 11 games from Hopkins. 

 
NE_REVIVAL said:
@Hot Sauce GuyFwiw, Im in a FBG slow draft and just took Hopkins at the 7\8 turn (wr39), Toney & Devonta Smith went right before and Renfrow, Lazard went right after.  Figured I already have 3 wr starters & Hopkins "could" be a difference maker down the stretch. Did not want to take a qb there and fwiw2, half way through the 9th Stafford\Wilson\Brady\Prescott still on the board. 
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Thanks - that's good info. Small sample size, sure, but a real world example is helpful. 

I'd likely be the guy grabbing my QB there if those 3 were on the board. WR is very deep. QB is too, but there's a point where there are guys like ARod, Wilson, Stafford, Dak, and then a cliff.  

Curious as to what WRs were there in the next round for you? 

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
Thanks - that's good info. Small sample size, sure, but a real world example is helpful. 

I'd likely be the guy grabbing my QB there if those 3 were on the board. WR is very deep. QB is too, but there's a point where there are guys like ARod, Wilson, Stafford, Dak, and then a cliff.  

Curious as to what WRs were there in the next round for you? 
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Got to the 9\10 turn and all the qbs but Prescott still there, very, very tuff to pass on R Wilson considering I have Sutton, but in yolo fashion I passed and  took my 3rd & 4th tes (Kmet & Irv Smith) instead. So no qb and only 2 rbs thru 10 (didn't like the rbs there much more than ones I can get later).  Fwiw, G Wilson, Boyd, C Watson, MVS & Gallup were\are highest rated wrs at this point.

 
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Cardinals WR DeAndre Hopkins (knee) could be limited early in training camp.

Hopkins skipped OTAs while recovering from December MCL surgery. Coach Kliff Kingsbury expects him to be healthy for the start of camp, but there's no reason for the Cardinals to rush Hopkins, who's suspended the first six weeks. Hopkins, a nine-year veteran that's spent the past two seasons in Kingsbury's offense, should have an everydown role when he returns.

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I'm old enough to remember when the off-season blurbs were "Hopkins should be in for another top 5 fantasy season."

Now they've transitioned into "should have an every down role when he returns."

He may be great when he comes back, but this gave me a laugh.

 
TheDirtyWord said:
Right now, it looks like Hopkins is getting ranked in the late 30's for the position.  My issue with most receivers that late is that the confidence to start them on a week-to-week basis is sketchy at best and a dart throw most weeks if they even emerge.  From 2013-2020, guy missed one game.  And his knee injury was an MCL issue, not really in the catastrophic realm like a patella or ACL.

Hopkins for half a season goes into my starting lineup come Week 7 until he shows he's not worthy.
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So he misses 6 weeks (at least) and his bye week, meaning he’s not available for more than half the season and by the time he comes back you could be off to a poor start. He’ll also be another year older and didn’t look great last season.
 

I don’t think he’s “discounted”’- I think that’s all he’s worth.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
So he misses 6 weeks (at least) and his bye week, meaning he’s not available for more than half the season and by the time he comes back you could be off to a poor start. He’ll also be another year older and didn’t look great last season.
 

I don’t think he’s “discounted”’- I think that’s all he’s worth.
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In 7.25 games, prior to him hurting his hamstring which kept him out the next 3 weeks, he put up this line; 35/486/7.

That projects to a 82/1140/16 season.  

That's a tough sell to me to say he didn't look good.  He may not have been his 2020 version of himself when he was 2nd team All-Pro, but he was still quite productive.  Also, it's clear his absence affected Murray who averaged 2.43 TD's/game those first 7 games.  When he came back from his own injury, he threw 7 in 6 games; 1 to Hopkins before he was done for the year with the MCL.  If Hopkins is on the field, he's the Cards WR1.

As for the age thing...he's a year older than Cooper Kupp, 9 months older than Mike Evans and Michael Thomas, 6 months older than Davante, 3 months older than Tyler Lockett. 2 months younger than Keenan Allen and Robert Woods.  I'm not hearing 'a year older' commentary on any of these guys.

WR's going ahead of Hopkins

Chris Godwin (late season ACL tear)
Michael Thomas (2 years of ankle issues)

 
TheDirtyWord said:
In 7.25 games, prior to him hurting his hamstring which kept him out the next 3 weeks, he put up this line; 35/486/7.

That projects to a 82/1140/16 season.  

That's a tough sell to me to say he didn't look good.  He may not have been his 2020 version of himself when he was 2nd team All-Pro, but he was still quite productive.  Also, it's clear his absence affected Murray who averaged 2.43 TD's/game those first 7 games.  When he came back from his own injury, he threw 7 in 6 games; 1 to Hopkins before he was done for the year with the MCL.  If Hopkins is on the field, he's the Cards WR1.

As for the age thing...he's a year older than Cooper Kupp, 9 months older than Mike Evans and Michael Thomas, 6 months older than Davante, 3 months older than Tyler Lockett. 2 months younger than Keenan Allen and Robert Woods.  I'm not hearing 'a year older' commentary on any of these guys.

WR's going ahead of Hopkins

Chris Godwin (late season ACL tear)
Michael Thomas (2 years of ankle issues)
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I’ve heard a “age” comments on all of them except Lockette who no one talks about at all.

 
I'm on the clock in round 8 slow  draft of a large tournament best ball. . Hopkins is available. I'm loaded at every position except WR where I  only have Sutton and ARSB. Does it make sense to grab Hopkins and then throw a bunch of darts at WR to try to fill in the gap until he returns? The receivers right now available beside Hopkins are London, M Thomas,  Kirk, MVS, Aiyuk, Locket, Olave etc. 

Also, any chance Hopkins gets his suspension reduced or are we done here?

 
Mongidig said:
I'm on the clock in round 8 slow  draft of a large tournament best ball. . Hopkins is available. I'm loaded at every position except WR where I  only have Sutton and ARSB. Does it make sense to grab Hopkins and then throw a bunch of darts at WR to try to fill in the gap until he returns? The receivers right now available beside Hopkins are London, M Thomas,  Kirk, MVS, Aiyuk, Locket, Olave etc. 

Also, any chance Hopkins gets his suspension reduced or are we done here?
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I've kind of been shocked at how low Hopkins is going.  Feels like the Julio Jones effect.

Seems to be ranked in that WR30-35 area.  If he weren't suspended, feels like he would be in that WR10-12 area.

 
TheDirtyWord said:
I've kind of been shocked at how low Hopkins is going.  Feels like the Julio Jones effect.

Seems to be ranked in that WR30-35 area.  If he weren't suspended, feels like he would be in that WR10-12 area.
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I agree. I  ended up taking him. I feel like I can scrounge together some decent production until he comes back. I'll be loaded at the end of the season when the real money making opportunities are there. I feel fine doing this in best ball. I tend to avoid these spots in redraft. 

 
TheDirtyWord said:
I've kind of been shocked at how low Hopkins is going.  Feels like the Julio Jones effect.

Seems to be ranked in that WR30-35 area.  If he weren't suspended, feels like he would be in that WR10-12 area.
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I'm not sure he'd be quite that high to be honest. He's already 30, he did get hurt last season and I'm not sure where he'll be at afterwards - sure he's going to be suspended so doesn't need to rush back, but when you get to a certain age it does begin to become an ongoing concern. I feel like there's a lot more than a dozen WR's that I'd be interested in over Hopkins in redraft, just looking at the current vanilla FBG PPR rankings, I'd probably be looking at more like 18-20 players I'd take over a 17 game Hopkins in an instant.

 
Important question for anyone playing in a Yahoo league with IR slots: Can a suspended player be stashed there, or does the site make a distinction between injured and suspended? D-Hop becomes a lot less valuable to me if I have to waste an actual roster spot on him for six weeks.

ETA: Think I found the answer:

Determine eligibility in Football​

Football uses the IR roster position. Real-life NFL teams can only activate 2 players per season from their IR (this doesn't apply to your Fantasy Football roster).
  • Eligible designations - IR (Injured Reserve), NFI-A (Non-Football Injury (Active)), O (Out) and Physically Unable to Perform (PUP).
  • Ineligible designations - D (Doubtful), NA (Not Active), P (Probable), Q (Questionable), and SUSP (Suspended).
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