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WR DeVonta Smith, PHI (1 Viewer)

Hurts and Slim didn't play all that much together at Alabama so the familiarity is a little exagerrated.

Slim is going to be a good one though.

 
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need2know said:
smith is better than waddle. Smith will get more targets than waddle.  Smith is better than waddle.
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Despite the incredibly compelling argument you've mounted and data you've compiled.  I am going to disagree.  Jaylen Waddle's film pops.  Explosion, speed, route running all better than Smith's.  I think Waddle is in a better situation than Smith, as I think more highly of the Dolphins current organization than Philly's.  Smith is a good looking receiver but Waddle is incredibly gifted athletically and that can't go unnoticed.  The guy has the talent to take every play to the house with his athleticism and speed.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I'm not sure Smith > Waddle but I definitely like Smith in his situation better than Waddle in his.
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Same.   Not sure which WR is more talented but Smith should receive a greater number of targets.  That is assuming that the other WRs in Miami are healthy all season.   

 
DocHolliday said:
Same.   Not sure which WR is more talented but Smith should receive a greater number of targets.  That is assuming that the other WRs in Miami are healthy all season.   
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I just don't see any data to support this.  They are in near identical situations with the exception that Jalen Reagor may be a bust, but Will Fuller has never finished a full season.  I don't see how the opportunities aren't there for Waddle to perform.  Mike Clay's rankings have Tua throwing more passes for more yards than Jalen Hurts - so, I just don't see the opportunity/situation argument either.  

 
TVT 0 N S T A said:
I just don't see any data to support this.  They are in near identical situations with the exception that Jalen Reagor may be a bust, but Will Fuller has never finished a full season.  I don't see how the opportunities aren't there for Waddle to perform.  Mike Clay's rankings have Tua throwing more passes for more yards than Jalen Hurts - so, I just don't see the opportunity/situation argument either.  
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I'm no fan but DeVante Parker is another target siphon in Miami. So having Parker and Fuller as options is much more of a barrier than just Jalen Reagor.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I'm no fan but DeVante Parker is another target siphon in Miami. So having Parker and Fuller as options is much more of a barrier than just Jalen Reagor.
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"Siphon" is a bit strong, his career average is well below 100 per season and he's averaging 115 for the past two years.  Fuller has a single season above 75 targets.

I don't see a ton of difference between projecting Smith and Waddle for 2021, they're both going to be the #2 option on their team with a middling QB and (likely) a middling offense. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Smith will be the Eagles' #1 target in short order. 
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It seems we talk out of both sides of our mouth with the Miami offense.  Tua lacks arm strength, but we think he is going to push the ball downfield to a one dimensional deep threat like Will Fuller or DeVante Parker is suddenly going to command 100+ targets, but logic says - Jaylen Waddle is going to catch a lot of drag, slants and intermediate routes.  If you value Waddle as the purer athlete, which I do, there is no reason he shouldn't be the leader in targets, catches and I think he is going to be a YAC beast with his speed and twitchiness.

 
TVT 0 N S T A said:
It seems we talk out of both sides of our mouth with the Miami offense.  Tua lacks arm strength, but we think he is going to push the ball downfield to a one dimensional deep threat like Will Fuller or DeVante Parker is suddenly going to command 100+ targets, but logic says - Jaylen Waddle is going to catch a lot of drag, slants and intermediate routes.  If you value Waddle as the purer athlete, which I do, there is no reason he shouldn't be the leader in targets, catches and I think he is going to be a YAC beast with his speed and twitchiness.
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I thought the same thing about Ruggs last year. :shrug:

Anyway, you're not really replying to what I said.

Neither Fuller nor Parker are great, but together they are almost certainly going to command a larger share of targets than Jalen Reagor. Actually, I'd think either one of those guys would individually each get more targets than Reagor; combined it's even worse for Waddle.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Neither Fuller nor Parker are great, but together they are almost certainly going to command a larger share of targets than Jalen Reagor. Actually, I'd think either one of those guys would individually each get more targets than Reagor; combined it's even worse for Waddle.
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I agree with this assessment.  Ertz returning (maybe?) to the Eagles could possibly impact things, of course.  But I don't see a  scenario where Waddle's target share isn't greatly impacted by Parker/Fuller. Especially when comparing what Smith would be competing against.  Sirianni's going to use his Heisman trophy winning X receiver and has a recent template in T.Y. Hilton. 

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Neither Fuller nor Parker are great, but together they are almost certainly going to command a larger share of targets than Jalen Reagor. Actually, I'd think either one of those guys would individually each get more targets than Reagor; combined it's even worse for Waddle.
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Mike Clay has Smith and Waddle separated by a total of 8 targets.

He has the combination of Fuller/Parker and Reagor/Goedert separated by a total of 9 targets. 

It's just one man's opinion, but when you're talking about opportunity and strength of the offenses it's spiderman-pointing.gif.

 
tangfoot said:
Mike Clay has Smith and Waddle separated by a total of 8 targets.

He has the combination of Fuller/Parker and Reagor/Goedert separated by a total of 9 targets. 

It's just one man's opinion, but when you're talking about opportunity and strength of the offenses it's spiderman-pointing.gif.
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Well I think Mike Clay is wrong. :shrug:

 
Andy Dufresne said:
I'm no fan but DeVante Parker is another target siphon in Miami. So having Parker and Fuller as options is much more of a barrier than just Jalen Reagor.
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I agree with you. It's also hard to overstate how bad Reagor was last year.  Maybe he gets it together in Year 2 but nothing from last year seems to support that.  I believe Fuller/Parker/Preston/Gesicki/Gaskin is more competition than Reagor/Fulgham/Goedert/Ertz/Sanders, even if the Dolphins throw more, which I'm sure they will.

 
Hurts will dial up the Slim Reaper early and often. That Smith kid played in some BIG games in his college career, against top notch talent that he'll face again at this level. NONE of the CB/DBs could stop him.none. in the biggest games he was the biggest star. talent always wins out, and this guy drips talent from every pore.

bona fide #1 WR in this offense. the only worry is the coaching staff and play calling, but Hurts can play ball, he's been doubted every he's played and he's succeeded. don't doubt him in 2021.

 
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Eagles WR DeVonta Smith will miss 2-3 weeks with an MCL injury. 

Smith on Monday was listed as "week to week" after an MRI revealed a sprained knee. The 2-3 week timeframe would mean Smith will miss most or all of the preseason, though he should be OK for Week 1. The rookie will miss valuable camp time with Jalen Hurts, whose starting receivers without Smith will be Jalen Reagor, Travis Fulgham, and Greg Ward. Hurts reportedly connected with Reagor on a deep pass during Monday's training camp practice. Adjust the ranks. 

RELATED: 

Jalen Reagor

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter 

Aug 2, 2021, 11:12 AM ET
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wow

not serious but this likely means you take him in redraft without ever seeing him preseason

or knowing what his 40 time really is

or knowing how much he actually weighs

NBD right

 
DeVonta Smith caught 6-of-8 targets for 71 yards and a touchdown in Philadelphia's Week 1 win over the Falcons.

The touchdown was a nice little loft ball by Jalen Hurts with a rub concept to open Smith up by veteran Zach Ertz. Smith showcased the skill that made him the Heisman Trophy winner and cashed on the WR3/4 line, taking the team lead in targets. The volume should be there to support a WR3 role in Week 2 against San Francisco, at least as long as Hurts is able to stay in the pocket against that front seven. 

Sep 12, 2021, 6:52 PM ET
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I don't know if that first week was a chimera or the Philly offense has become thoroughly dysfunctional, but I don't like what I'm seeing tonight. 

ETA: Haven't really been paying attention, but how much has Diggs been shadowing him tonight? It occurred to me after he broke up Smith's last target that that could be a factor as well

 
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ignatiusjreilly said:
I don't know if that first week was a chimera or the Philly offense has become thoroughly dysfunctional, but I don't like what I'm seeing tonight. 

ETA: Haven't really been paying attention, but how much has Diggs been shadowing him tonight? It occurred to me after he broke up Smith's last target that that could be a factor as well
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The whole offense suxks right now. The atl game seems like an aboration

 
DeVonta Smith caught 3-of-6 targets for 28 yards in the Eagles' Week 3 loss to the Cowboys.

Smith's six targets were third on the team, but his 28 yards were tied for sixth. The rookie's most notable play was one where he slipped on his route as Dallas CB Trevon Diggs picked off the pass and took it the other way for a touchdown. Smith now has five catches for 42 scoreless yards the last two weeks on 13 targets after his 6-71-1 opener. Smith will look to get right next week in a soft matchup with the Kansas City secondary.

Sep 27, 2021, 11:56 PM ET
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DeVonta Smith caught 7-of-10 targets for 122 yards in Week 4 against the Chiefs.

The Eagles fed Smith targets early, with five of his catches and 84 of his yards coming in the first half. Smith was the focal point of the offense as the Eagles ran it just 11 times. This was Smith's best game since his 6/71/1 line in Week 1. With the Eagles going extremely pass heavy the last two weeks, Smith's ROS outlook is pointing up.
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I don't watch a lot of Eagles games because I'm a Washington fan, but I have to admit, this kid has the goods. He looks really good from what I've watched this year. Great technique and footwork. 

 
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