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WR Gabriel Davis, JAC (1 Viewer)
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SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I love this guy’s potential. Will be nice once Sanders is gone.
boilerdave
Footballguy
I picked him up to replace Lockett when he got put on Covid IR. I’m pretty sure I’m going with Davis even if Lockett gets cleared to play.
I think this dude has monster potential this weekend, but noticed none of the pundits are ranking him any higher than 40. I find that very curious.
I'm putting him in my line-up over Van Jefferson this week.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
I did that too. Plus I have J Allen at QB. Would be a nice sneaky play to offset losing Lockett if they connect enough. A score would be nice.
Any chance any of these guys on Covid return? Like a Lockett or a Waddle.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
This is his sophomore season and no one knew they’d sign Sanders. Not sure what the point of your post is.JohnnyU said:
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Showing he has WR2 upside today once Sanders is gone.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Glad I didn't dump him is the point
Fear of wasting away on my bench for future years is always a possibility, but I've hung on for this long, what does one more year matter.Assuming Manny misses the next game, are you considering using him against the Pats?
I have Allen as well, and am seriously considering looking for another option (if I make it past this round).
TartanLion
Footballguy
Wow daddy. Chance for lift off next season now after that performance. Think he went undrafted in both my rookie drafts in 2020 and I picked him up immediately after. Love when guys like this end up hitting
The Frankman
Footballguy
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The Duff Man
Footballguy
Yes. He should have been the #2 this year and if he was the Bills would be #1 seed. But management loved Sanders and chased him for years before they finally landed him. He catches everything and has more speed than Diggs.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
22 yo
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He's absolutely a centerpiece of my rebuild. At the start of last season I dealt a 2022 1st for a 2023 1st + Davis. I'm thinking I turned a profit there.
At this point I'm not sure there's an offer I would accept for him. He had his full on coming out party last night, and at 22 there may be room to grow - a scary thought. Diggs is 28. Sanders is likely gone. Beasley is 32.
Davis is the future WR1 for Allen, and the future isn't too far off.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Last night was literally the sell high point for him. He will never have a game like that again. Even if he becomes a top 5 fantasy WR the price jump that some guy sees from just that game should make him worth double what you'd get at any other point in his career.
He's absolutely a centerpiece of my rebuild. At the start of last season I dealt a 2022 1st for a 2023 1st + Davis. I'm thinking I turned a profit there.
At this point I'm not sure there's an offer I would accept for him. He had his full on coming out party last night, and at 22 there may be room to grow - a scary thought. Diggs is 28. Sanders is likely gone. Beasley is 32.
Davis is the future WR1 for Allen, and the future isn't too far off.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I mean, yes and no. If he becomes a top 5 WR in the NFL, then last night was not his sell high point.
If he becomes a top 5 NFL WR, then I totally bought low. If I was offered 3x 1sts for him (say 2022, 2023. 2024) I'm not sure I'd accept, because his potential is as a top 5 NFL WR.
Last night showed us what he's capable of, regardless of whether he actually has a 4 TD game again. At his age & talent, and in the situation he's in with Allen at QB & 3 aging WRs (2 rapidly) there are few WRs I'd rather have, and I don't know what I'll get with those 3 hypothetical picks.
I suspect his value will maintain for quite some time. Sure, maybe some starry eyed leaguemate would offer me the universe for him, but from where I sit, it would take that sort of deal to even make me consider moving him from my rebuilding team right now.
socrates
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I'm not getting that offer, so I can't say for sure. And in my situation, I already have 17 2023 picks, 5x 1sts.
I would smash the accept button as fast as I could!
It's nice having a 22 y/o WR who has a top 3 NFL QB throwing him the rock for the next X # of years as a cornerstone. Picks are nice. Players are better. Bird in the hand worth 3 in the bush, in my hypothetical. Those 3x 1sts still have to get drafted by the right team, and pan out at the next level. That's 3 risks instead of one likely sure thing.
I specifically went out and traded for Davis because I believed in his potential to be a future top 5 WR.
I'm not going to sell him now that he's showing that I might have been right.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not saying I wouldn't. But also not saying I would.
Again, no one's offering me that, but that's the sort of offer it would take for me to consider it. Would you sell him for 2x 1sts?
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I'm not sure what this means.
I posted the deal to the Dynasty trade topic when it went down. I said I thought he had a great future. What exactly are you asking here? What more could I have said?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think it also depends on the context of your team.
I'm loaded with picks & short on talent. My centerpiece players are Pitts, Higgins, Davis, Pittman & uh, Zach Wilson. A bunch of maybes, some scraps & a boatload of picks.
At this point having Davis is simply worth more to me than 2 maybes in future drafts. Let's say I deal him for a 2022 1st and another 2023 1st. OK, so 2022 is a draft I see as slightly WR-heavy with a really solid top 4. Is one of them going to replace Davis?
Maybe the 2023 1st gives me something, too, but at the cost of losing Davis.
Just saying - a lot would have to go right with those 2 picks for it to be worth me losing a player like Davis.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don't think you'd need to add anything to move to 2022 top 2. Davis should be worth that alone.
Seems like a distinct possibility.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Nah. For one, saying he will never have a game like that means nothing. I can say that nobody in the NFL right now will ever have a game like that and probably be right.
If he becomes a top 5 he would be in the Jefferson, Lamb, Tyreek, AJ Brown, Metcalf range. Is anyone trading an actual top 5 WR for Davis today??
Also, is he worth TWO of those guys right now? Cause that would be double what he would be worth as a top 5 WR.
To be honest, I dont even think most people would give a 1st for Davis right now, at least nothing more than a late 1st............and I am saying this as a Davis owner.
I am not saying they would be right, but I dont think his market value is what you think it is right now.
socrates
Footballguy
Objects in the Kansas City defensive mirror may appear larger than they actually are!
I drafted Davis as a dynasty rookie wideout, and I believe he is more talented than his 4th round draft capital might suggest.
Davis has benefitted from coverage shifted to shut down Stefon Diggs, who is the team's true WR1. Gabriel Davis had a respectable 2021 season: 35 rec. 549 yards 6 TDs (almost identical stats to 2020). He ended the regular season with a career high 14 targets in a game against the Jets.
I guess the question you have to ask yourself is this: "Was the Chiefs game a breakout game for a surprising new star or more of an outlier?"
I am hopeful Davis uses this game as a springboard for next season, and Allen obviously has found some chemistry with Davis. However, I do not expect Davis to suddenly become one of the top 5 receivers in the league based on one amazing performance in a shootout game where Diggs was blanketed. It was a great performance, but temper your expectations.
I will be trying to sell high where I have him.
I drafted Davis as a dynasty rookie wideout, and I believe he is more talented than his 4th round draft capital might suggest.
Davis has benefitted from coverage shifted to shut down Stefon Diggs, who is the team's true WR1. Gabriel Davis had a respectable 2021 season: 35 rec. 549 yards 6 TDs (almost identical stats to 2020). He ended the regular season with a career high 14 targets in a game against the Jets.
I guess the question you have to ask yourself is this: "Was the Chiefs game a breakout game for a surprising new star or more of an outlier?"
I am hopeful Davis uses this game as a springboard for next season, and Allen obviously has found some chemistry with Davis. However, I do not expect Davis to suddenly become one of the top 5 receivers in the league based on one amazing performance in a shootout game where Diggs was blanketed. It was a great performance, but temper your expectations.
I will be trying to sell high where I have him.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I need someone like you to make me an offer. I have 18 shares in FFPC dynasty. My highest rostership at WR. 54% of leagues. I would be crazy not to divest and sell highish right now. If he becomes top10 I will still have a bunch.
He's absolutely a centerpiece of my rebuild. At the start of last season I dealt a 2022 1st for a 2023 1st + Davis. I'm thinking I turned a profit there.
At this point I'm not sure there's an offer I would accept for him. He had his full on coming out party last night, and at 22 there may be room to grow - a scary thought. Diggs is 28. Sanders is likely gone. Beasley is 32.
Davis is the future WR1 for Allen, and the future isn't too far off.
Many of us have pumped up Davis throughout the last year+ on this board, whether he specifically did or not.
Yeah I would be shocked if I got a 1st for any of mine. And honestly not sure ~1.08 or later gets it done for me. 2023 1st different story.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
lol - yeah, except I'm not saying I'd offer anything remotely like that.
My acquisition of Davis was quite affordable (moved a pick from 2022 to 2023, and I prefer the 2023 draft, even though it's likely a 1.06 instead of 1.02). And given my circumstance (outlined briefly above) it makes a hell of a lot more sense for me to value him as a strong hold, even bordering on unreasonably strong, like turning down 2x 1sts.
Now, given your circumstance I would probably see what I could get for him on some of those teams. I have to imagine some % of those rosters aren't competitive & you could use the picks? Would be interesting to see what you could fetch for him right now, coming off of that otherworldly performance.
But again, if I didn't already roster him, I certainly wouldn't be out there paying 2 or 3 firsts for him. But hey, someone might.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
And I specifically did in the Dynasty trade topic when I made the deal. I believe you commented favorably at the time, suggesting I robbed him.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'd jump eight ways from Sunday if you gave me two first-round picks for Gabriel Davis. I mean, he's definitely got talent, but that's a lot of draft capital for a guy that hasn't even hit yet save for one or two games (and is thus unlikely to).
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Why cant it be both? You dont have to put up historic stats to be a really valuable player
rockaction
Footballguy
Hmmm...that's different. I thought it was one in 2022 and one in 2023 from the brief glance at the hypothetical. At second glance, it would be three firsts that HSG is talking about. I'd take that. Have to.
Eleven and Twelve this year. That's an interesting hypothetical. Maybe not. Jahan Dotson and George Pickens, maybe are still there. Yeah, I'd take that pretty easily. If they were there, I'd take that bet over Davis. Dotson is ranked tenth in DLF's Rookie Rankings, Pickens 11th. Kyren Williams is 12th. Rachaad White 13th. Yeah, I make that trade, depending on the RB landing spots.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Actually, I thought about it. I'd smash the accept button on that offer.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well he’s definitely been trending upwards for some time.
I feel like a player of his pedigree flashing like this is a sign of things to come more than a fluke occurrence.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No way I sell him for that. At best I’m dealing up to 7-8 to get a Drake London, hoping he’s…..Gabriel Davis? Except London is projected to go to the Eagles (from what I’ve seen) and to say that’s a QB downgrade is an understatement.
Plus London then needs to make the adjustment to the NFL, and IMO Davis has at the very least shown he’s no worse than a quality WR2 for the Bills for the conceivable future.
2022 11 & 12 would be a non-starter in an offer for me. Others may disagree.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Wow. Ok, play that hypothetical out. Based on the early rookie mocks, what do you do with those, and how is that better than having Gabriel Davis?
BigJim®
Footballguy
I’m expecting my dynasty competitors to inquire over the off-season. What you’ve said here… I’m not totally understanding what value you think is obtainable. You think even if he becomes top 5 WR you can get twice that value now? I’m not seeing it. What exactly is double the value of a top 5 WR?
