BassNBrew
Footballguy
Could be that he attended Alabama.
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WR Jameson Williams, DET (2 Viewers)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
If I die today, remember me like John Lennon
As a homage to The Walking Dead circa 2017, always got an RPG strapped when I drop below 8 mile
certainly possible. and the drug policy likely doesnt allow for an exemption for this medical reason at the NFL level. Though there are other medications that would not be performance enhancing that he likely can try. but these are a bit more hit and miss from what I understand.
Definitely worth picking up. Whether you should or not depends on who you are dropping.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
This could be true.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Huh
Seems like you know what you are talking about, how do you know a player cannot take adderall if legally prescribed for ADHD with the proper documentation?
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Bob Henry had him at WR 34.JaMo currently sitting at WR 49 for the season in my 1/2 pt per reception league, for those interested. I know there was a lot of chatter pre/early season.
He is scoring 9.6 points per game which puts him at 25th.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
He is scoring 0.6 points per game which puts him at 14th.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Similar ... WR28 with 10.72 per game
I had been trying to acquire him without success ... after his owner lost Aiyuk no interest in deals (even 2 for 1) ...
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Boom/Bust type, can be a terrific WR3/4/Flex which is where most of you took him in the Draft
Last 4-5 weeks of the regular FF season, you probably would want him on your team since he wasn't in my starting line up Week 1
It would have been nice to have him flourishing when all of my front line WRs went out for the season or long IR stints but it is what it is
I put him on the trade block today to see if anyone wants him, not many nibbles thus far
What's the difference between JAMO and say QJ from the Chargers? Low volume targets, high production.
4/118/TD last week for QJ, probably will not equal that this week but in a week or two he will go off again
if you want a steady eddy type, this is not the WR for you
Last 4-5 weeks of the regular FF season, you probably would want him on your team since he wasn't in my starting line up Week 1
It would have been nice to have him flourishing when all of my front line WRs went out for the season or long IR stints but it is what it is
I put him on the trade block today to see if anyone wants him, not many nibbles thus far
What's the difference between JAMO and say QJ from the Chargers? Low volume targets, high production.
4/118/TD last week for QJ, probably will not equal that this week but in a week or two he will go off again
if you want a steady eddy type, this is not the WR for you
TheWinz
Footballguy
In PPR he is scoring 12.4 points per game, which puts him at WR32. Here is an FBG link...
Chaka
Footballguy
Oh, I didn't realize there was a Universal scoring system that applied to all leagues. Bottom line is he has been a mid WR3 so far this year. Somewhat disappointing to the people, like me who thought he could be a mid/high WR2 but still better than where most drafted him.In PPR he is scoring 12.4 points per game, which puts him at WR32. Here is an FBG link...
He was drafted at approximately WR47. Pretty sure most other players who put up similar value they would be praised for it, and managers would be patting themselves on the back. For Jameson, not so much.
I mainly have him to keep other teams from using against me during a boom week. And he is an option I can throw in at flex if I'm down and need more upside. I can see some potential boom weeks coming up where Goff needs to throw more than 21 passes per game:
Week 14 vs GB - Assuming Love gets healthy and this has a high O/U
Week 15 vs Buff - This should open as the top O/U game of the week
Week 17 @ SF - Assuming SF gets CMC back for a few weeks and their offense gets ramped up by week 17
Week 14 vs GB - Assuming Love gets healthy and this has a high O/U
Week 15 vs Buff - This should open as the top O/U game of the week
Week 17 @ SF - Assuming SF gets CMC back for a few weeks and their offense gets ramped up by week 17
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I’m forwarding your post to my league mates to see if I can pencil in 9.6 for the 4 games he got less than 2
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, I didn't realize there was a Universal scoring system that applied to all leagues. Bottom line is he has been a mid WR3 so far this year. Somewhat disappointing to the people, like me who thought he could be a mid/high WR2 but still better than where most drafted him.In PPR he is scoring 12.4 points per game, which puts him at WR32. Here is an FBG link...
He was drafted at approximately WR47. Pretty sure most other players who put up similar value they would be praised for it, and managers would be patting themselves on the back. For Jameson, not so much.
There isn’t, but when you’re corrected by someone who doesn’t specify what league scoring system he’s talking about, you point him in the right direction. I checked my own league. Jameson is averaging 12.717 points per game, which includes tackles on INTS and return yards. So very close to 12.4 and not so close to 9.6. He’s WR31 in my league.
But like we’ve been arguing, PPG isn’t the appropriate measure with this guy. It’s points per team game played that should matter.
I'm going to have to it looks like with Coleman hurt and Tillman on bye. Only other choice I have is Ray Davis in flex or Wandale.
I keep flipping back and forth between Jameson and Wandale myself
Chaka
Footballguy
Why?Oh, I didn't realize there was a Universal scoring system that applied to all leagues. Bottom line is he has been a mid WR3 so far this year. Somewhat disappointing to the people, like me who thought he could be a mid/high WR2 but still better than where most drafted him.In PPR he is scoring 12.4 points per game, which puts him at WR32. Here is an FBG link...
He was drafted at approximately WR47. Pretty sure most other players who put up similar value they would be praised for it, and managers would be patting themselves on the back. For Jameson, not so much.
There isn’t, but when you’re corrected by someone who doesn’t specify what league scoring system he’s talking about, you point him in the right direction. I checked my own league. Jameson is averaging 12.717 points per game, which includes tackles on INTS and return yards. So very close to 12.4 and not so close to 9.6. He’s WR31 in my league.
But like we’ve been arguing, PPG isn’t the appropriate measure with this guy. It’s points per team game played that should matter.
TheWinz
Footballguy
No need to be douchy
rockaction
Footballguy
Two reasons.
1) You can’t judge how good a guy has been by PPG. It’s a predictive stat. We fall in love with PPG because that’s all the fantasy heads talk about. But fantasy heads are in the business of predicting a player’s value, not in telling you who has been valuable. You know who has been valuable. To figure that out you look at total points by position and variance. The way you judge how good a guy has been for your fantasy football team is by how many total points he has scored for it relative to other players at his position and his variance from game to game. Nobody will argue Jaymo has been great in either category this year.
2) PPG, even as a predictive stat, is a failed analysis when it comes to Jaymo. That’s because, as I explained earlier in the thread, the predictive value of PPG is assuming that injuries will happen to everybody fairly equally and that they are random events that are beyond a player’s control. That’s why we use PPG instead of total points to predict how that player will play in the future.
Suspensions, like the plural ones that Jaymo has gotten, are neither random and beyond a player’s control nor do they happen to everybody fairly equally. They happen to specific guys for specific reasons. When you take Jaymo, you take the possibility (now probability) that he will miss games due to suspension. Could suspensions come for anybody? Sure. No doubt. And the first time it happens to a guy, we’re dismayed that we didn’t know better. But the second time is a fool-me-once-shame-on-you/fool-me-twice-shame-on-me thing. It’s now baked into the cake. You need to measure guys like that by how available they are in addition to how they perform when they’re on the field. That becomes part of the predictive process with either injury-prone guys or suspension-prone fellas.
That’s why I say that.
eta* Given bye weeks, we have to consider that you should divide total points by team game played, but not by games played by the player. If that’s what people are meaning by PPG (that’s not how it’s done) then ignore what I’m saying. But if you’re talking about dividing a player’s points by the amount of games he has played then this comment addresses exactly that.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Like I and others have already said upthread, not a bad swing of the bat in best ball or standard (if desperate for someone to plug in). But in PPR leagues you are definitely taking your chances.
rockaction
Footballguy
I should correct my assertion above. Fantasy heads are also in the business of telling you alternative ways of looking at how a player has had value. They do indeed do that. But the main function they provide is in predicting who will be valuable based on the army of stats they have at their disposal and their proficiency at running regressions and finding correlations and things like that. And some who watch film have that arrow in their quiver also.
But newer stats that try to encompass a player’s past value in, for example, a WORP (Wins over replacement player) or a VORP (value over replacement player) or win shares is a noble errand, and I don’t mean to discount it.
But newer stats that try to encompass a player’s past value in, for example, a WORP (Wins over replacement player) or a VORP (value over replacement player) or win shares is a noble errand, and I don’t mean to discount it.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
FYI: in every Texans gams this season there has been MULTIPLE wide open WR opportunities per game. I am talking so wide open and every game I wonder how they can't coach that to not happen again so at this point can't see this changing. In the majority of times the QBs made bad throws.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I have to
rockaction
Footballguy
Pretty Schmeaby, if you ask me.
Sorry, Schmeabs. I can’t resist repeating that name as an adjective. It’s just begging for it.
Schmeaby. Rhymes with Phoebe, right?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Well, I mean I don’t have to. I could add someone off the wire. But yeah
rockaction
Footballguy
I’d start him in a heartbeat if he’s active. That’s your WR31 in PPG!
GreenNGold
Footballguy
I think the biggest issue with Jamo is that while he got off to hot start over the first two games, averaging 10 targets per game, he has only gotten 10 total targets over his last 4 games combined. I'm sure he will still have some decent games but his recent usage combined with even more off field stuff is very concerning.
I keep flip flopping between him, Waddle and Odunze in a PPR league.
Golden Gopher
Footballguy
I'm starting him in a TD-heavy scoring league (no PPR) where my other option is Coker. Everywhere else (another 3 leagues where I have him), I'm going to wait and see what happens this week.
zoonation
Footballguy
This. The targets just aren’t there. Too risky to start imo because the floor is catastrophic.
formerfourdigit
Footballguy
ten targets last 4 games but for 7-160-2 four good games, two zeros, three weeks of rest. kids a unicorn on the best and most relentless offense in the league.
Deamon
Footballguy
Just take the L man.
You put people down who disagreed with you and rubbed it in their faces the first few weeks, then went fully MIA as soon as he started under performing.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
it's November and he has 21 touches (3.5 /g)
WR49 which is right around where ECR/ADP had him
WR30 on a PPG basis in our PPR bonus league that gives 3 points for TDs over 40
WR49 which is right around where ECR/ADP had him
WR30 on a PPG basis in our PPR bonus league that gives 3 points for TDs over 40
Deamon
Footballguy
13 PPR points is a "boom" week?
And yes, the suspension/injuries are baked in. Sure you weren't starting him, but that's still a downside as you have to start someone else, not as good as him. I own him everywhere and hope he turns it around, but it's absolutely valid to say the hype was too high on him.
Currently WR48 in PPR.
He is easily one of the best buy-low players right now because of horrendous takes like this. Perfect time ro snag him up and get a guy who produces WR2 numbers the rest of the season.
Deamon
Footballguy
lol really man? You talked so much trash and then disappeared when he did bad. That's extremely weak.
You should drop him then. Oh wait, you know better.
Deamon
Footballguy
W
When did I say he's droppable? He's not performing even close to your predictions. He still can be a good value WR3/4
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