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WR Jayden Reed, GB (1 Viewer)
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RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
The Packers WRs are so tricky to project. Where do you rank Reed ROS?
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Must start WR in all formats until proven otherwise
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I assume you're taking him over the likes of MHJ and Garrett Wilson?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
100% over Harrison. Probably for Wilson but that's a little tougher.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He was bad last week for fantasy but was also going on an ankle injury. I still am strongly on the side of play Reed every week. He's better in standard than full ppr but the guy sure looks like he has the goods and plays with one of the true gunslinging Qbs.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Just traded for Reed. I am excited/scared as hell lol.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
His role hasn't changed. Ran 31 routes last week, 1 less than Doubs (who led the team.) Had an uncharacteristic 2 drops; last season he had 3 for the year. Drew a 30 yard DPI which would have made his off week look better. Came into the game banged up, and was limited in the first two practices this week. Full participant on Friday and has no injury designation for Week 8.
According to a Consistency Calculator at a competing site, he is the 17th most consistent WR In PPR this season.
I drafted him in the 8th round (90th overall), won't hear my moaning about him. I don't get the hand wringing, just start him and trust that he'll produce - because he usually does.
Recognize when people are sowing FUD. Not just in fantasy football, anytime you are consuming news content.
According to a Consistency Calculator at a competing site, he is the 17th most consistent WR In PPR this season.
- < 9.80 Subpar - 28.6%
- >= 9.80 WR4 or better - 71.43%
- >= 10.83 WR3 or better - 71.43%
- >= 12.73 WR2 or better - 57.14%
- >= 15.40 WR1 - 28.57%
- >= 19.94 Elite - 28.57%
I drafted him in the 8th round (90th overall), won't hear my moaning about him. I don't get the hand wringing, just start him and trust that he'll produce - because he usually does.
edit to add:
OK, I see what happened now. The ninnies at Rotoworld - WHO YOU SHOULD ALWAYS IGNORE - are up to their old FUD technique to create engagement.
Recognize when people are sowing FUD. Not just in fantasy football, anytime you are consuming news content.
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RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Well that was certainly NOT the game I was expecting out of Reed. So many lists/rankings had him as a top 10 WR ROS, yet I feel like he was usually the one not on the field of their 4 WRs.
What the heck giives?
What the heck giives?
Snoopy
Footballguy
Too many mouths to feed.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
It's only my first game owning him but what is with the immense hype then if he's falling 4th in the pecking order?
Is it just a rough patch or...?
Insein
Footballguy
This is the Packers offense. Also didn't help that Love was out.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Their wr rotation is tough to figure out. Maybe he is not a 100%…x.com
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Like why is he getting such far less snaps than Doubs and Watson?
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Urgg, I don't love hearing any of that.
Sunday Gravy
Footballguy
I see what you did there.
But I agree, this guy is headed to my bench for the foreseeable future.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I just traded for him last week and he was the main piece coming back.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
If it's dynasty, you're fine. He's still the most talented WR on the roster and has been able to do more with less to this point. Eventually he'll get a bigger piece of the pie, but regardless, he's shown he doesn't even need it to put up WR1 numbers. It's just an "even better if" for him at this point.I just traded for him last week and he was the main piece coming back.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
| Player | Snaps | % | ST |
| Doubs | 59 | 84 | |
| Watson | 52 | 74 | |
| Reed | 41 | 59 | 5/15% |
| Wicks | 21 | 30 | |
| Melton | 12 | 17 | 17/52% |
| Heath | 1 | 1 | 6/18% |
8 games.
Nearly half a season. 4 of his 8 games he was below WR30, and a fifth game barely cracked above WR30.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
It's a 2 keeper league and his value would be a 6th rounder next year if kept. Obviously super enticing but I also will have options of JT as a 3rd, Daniels as a 6th, Achane as an 8th or Hockenson as an 11th.If it's dynasty, you're fine. He's still the most talented WR on the roster and has been able to do more with less to this point. Eventually he'll get a bigger piece of the pie, but regardless, he's shown he doesn't even need it to put up WR1 numbers. It's just an "even better if" for him at this point.I just traded for him last week and he was the main piece coming back.
I'm just surprised the GB staff and Love all seemingly prefer Doubs and Watson getting PT/targets over Reed if he's so good.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Have to wonder if the ankle is bothering him?
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I don't assume I know more than the NFL coaches. But in the same breath, I don't assume they are doing great at their jobs 100% of the time either. Watson has shown he's trash for three seasons now, and has only even been mildly fantasy relevant due to TDs. His metrics are horrid. Sunk cost fallacy for the organization? I have no clue. And Doubs seems like a prime cut/trade candidate as a two star recruit in the mountain west throwing tantrums about not getting the ball enough. You probably have better keepers for the cost, at least if nothing else in GB changes. If they upgrade at OC or move on from any of their other WRs I'd reevaluate. Otherwise Achane and Hock are probably the two picks there.It's a 2 keeper league and his value would be a 6th rounder next year if kept. Obviously super enticing but I also will have options of JT as a 3rd, Daniels as a 6th, Achane as an 8th or Hockenson as an 11th.If it's dynasty, you're fine. He's still the most talented WR on the roster and has been able to do more with less to this point. Eventually he'll get a bigger piece of the pie, but regardless, he's shown he doesn't even need it to put up WR1 numbers. It's just an "even better if" for him at this point.I just traded for him last week and he was the main piece coming back.
I'm just surprised the GB staff and Love all seemingly prefer Doubs and Watson getting PT/targets over Reed if he's so good.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Has to be the injury.
I’ve said this before.. he may be on the field less than the other 2 WRs but when he is on it there’s a higher % chance he’s going to get the ball. He’s the stud of the corps, if he’s fully fit and Love is as well then he’s putting up better points the last two weeks, that I’m convinced of.
I’ve said this before.. he may be on the field less than the other 2 WRs but when he is on it there’s a higher % chance he’s going to get the ball. He’s the stud of the corps, if he’s fully fit and Love is as well then he’s putting up better points the last two weeks, that I’m convinced of.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I thought maybe Reed was stricktly a slot guy, and perhaps he was seeing the field less as GB was loading up with more TEs and avoiding 3 WR sets. However I saw a number of times Reed was split out wide (That long catch at the end of the game being one for example).
I hope you're right and it's some minor injury he is working through. Getting him and Love back at 100% would be huge.
ratbast
Footballguy
I’m very happy to own/start him week 11 and on, just not confident this week before their bye and with Love banged up.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Mean reversion hurts. On Keeptradecut, he was valued as a top-15 dynasty WR. That's ridiculous. Reed is good and will produce, but good luck picking which GB receivers go off each week.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
That huge Reed grab at the end of a game was a beautifully designed play, so it's encouraging that when they NEEDED a huge play they drew one up for Reed.
I'm curious if it's just a coincidence that as soon as Love is out, Malik hits Reed for a big play. How did Reed perform for that string of games Malik took over?
I'm curious if it's just a coincidence that as soon as Love is out, Malik hits Reed for a big play. How did Reed perform for that string of games Malik took over?
history has shown that any QB who cant or wont feed his #1 WR usually doesnt start for long. but 2 catches is less than what I was hoping for from the guy. I think until Love gets back hes a TD dependant play. Malik just isnt good enough
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Funny enough I have read a lot of Packers guys speaking super highly of Malik Willis. He's supposedly looked quite good this year when taking over for Love.
I think this matchup will be a good one for Reed, simply because Detroit is the 3rd worst vs. WR's and is overall so good that the Packers might be trailing early. I bet they air it out.
His two worst games of the year, barring the last two which may be due to injury.
He has been listed as Q with an ankle the last due weeks during the week, but has had the injury designation removed before the game both times. I'm guessing it's hampering to some degree.
Early in the year, for sure. Week 7 he had 5 snaps less than Doubs, 12 more than Watson and 19 more than Wicks. I'm wondering if the ankle is why he reverted to fewer snaps in Week 8. I think Week 11 after the bye will be telling.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I don't assume I know more than the NFL coaches. But in the same breath, I don't assume they are doing great at their jobs 100% of the time either. Watson has shown he's trash for three seasons now, and has only even been mildly fantasy relevant due to TDs. His metrics are horrid. Sunk cost fallacy for the organization? I have no clue. And Doubs seems like a prime cut/trade candidate as a two star recruit in the mountain west throwing tantrums about not getting the ball enough. You probably have better keepers for the cost, at least if nothing else in GB changes. If they upgrade at OC or move on from any of their other WRs I'd reevaluate. Otherwise Achane and Hock are probably the two picks there.It's a 2 keeper league and his value would be a 6th rounder next year if kept. Obviously super enticing but I also will have options of JT as a 3rd, Daniels as a 6th, Achane as an 8th or Hockenson as an 11th.If it's dynasty, you're fine. He's still the most talented WR on the roster and has been able to do more with less to this point. Eventually he'll get a bigger piece of the pie, but regardless, he's shown he doesn't even need it to put up WR1 numbers. It's just an "even better if" for him at this point.I just traded for him last week and he was the main piece coming back.
I'm just surprised the GB staff and Love all seemingly prefer Doubs and Watson getting PT/targets over Reed if he's so good.
This is a great example of fantasy football blinding out real life common sense. Doubs, Watson and Reed have all been excellent contributors to a strong offense when healthy. The Packers coaches don't make decisions based on fantasy metrics and they don't design the offense around one guy or another. The team's use of these receivers is exactly as most predicted pre-season. Its littered throughout this thread and elsewhere - there is not going to be a clear WR1 on this team and picking one guy over the other from week to week is always going to give fantasy players fits.
of course.I don't assume I know more than the NFL coaches. But in the same breath, I don't assume they are doing great at their jobs 100% of the time either. Watson has shown he's trash for three seasons now, and has only even been mildly fantasy relevant due to TDs. His metrics are horrid. Sunk cost fallacy for the organization? I have no clue. And Doubs seems like a prime cut/trade candidate as a two star recruit in the mountain west throwing tantrums about not getting the ball enough. You probably have better keepers for the cost, at least if nothing else in GB changes. If they upgrade at OC or move on from any of their other WRs I'd reevaluate. Otherwise Achane and Hock are probably the two picks there.It's a 2 keeper league and his value would be a 6th rounder next year if kept. Obviously super enticing but I also will have options of JT as a 3rd, Daniels as a 6th, Achane as an 8th or Hockenson as an 11th.If it's dynasty, you're fine. He's still the most talented WR on the roster and has been able to do more with less to this point. Eventually he'll get a bigger piece of the pie, but regardless, he's shown he doesn't even need it to put up WR1 numbers. It's just an "even better if" for him at this point.I just traded for him last week and he was the main piece coming back.
I'm just surprised the GB staff and Love all seemingly prefer Doubs and Watson getting PT/targets over Reed if he's so good.
This is a great example of fantasy football blinding out real life common sense. Doubs, Watson and Reed have all been excellent contributors to a strong offense when healthy. The Packers coaches don't make decisions based on fantasy metrics and they don't design the offense around one guy or another. The team's use of these receivers is exactly as most predicted pre-season. Its littered throughout this thread and elsewhere - there is not going to be a clear WR1 on this team and picking one guy over the other from week to week is always going to give fantasy players fits.
4 legit receivers on the roster. not everyone is gonna get the playing time they deserve.
nice problem to have in real life. not so nice for fantasy.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I'd disagree on a few points here. A lot of pre-season predictions on usage, coming from both these boards and elsewhere, are wrong. A lot. Like Diggs and Barkley's predicted usage vs actual outcome. And common sense seemed to have left the building when Arthur Smith was coaching/calling plays for the Falcons as just one example. It's all a crap shoot. And as good as it feels to "guess right", that's all it really is, a guess. My guess was Reeds outstanding production with limited touches would get him more usage as the year went on. Looks to not be the case yet.I don't assume I know more than the NFL coaches. But in the same breath, I don't assume they are doing great at their jobs 100% of the time either. Watson has shown he's trash for three seasons now, and has only even been mildly fantasy relevant due to TDs. His metrics are horrid. Sunk cost fallacy for the organization? I have no clue. And Doubs seems like a prime cut/trade candidate as a two star recruit in the mountain west throwing tantrums about not getting the ball enough. You probably have better keepers for the cost, at least if nothing else in GB changes. If they upgrade at OC or move on from any of their other WRs I'd reevaluate. Otherwise Achane and Hock are probably the two picks there.It's a 2 keeper league and his value would be a 6th rounder next year if kept. Obviously super enticing but I also will have options of JT as a 3rd, Daniels as a 6th, Achane as an 8th or Hockenson as an 11th.If it's dynasty, you're fine. He's still the most talented WR on the roster and has been able to do more with less to this point. Eventually he'll get a bigger piece of the pie, but regardless, he's shown he doesn't even need it to put up WR1 numbers. It's just an "even better if" for him at this point.I just traded for him last week and he was the main piece coming back.
I'm just surprised the GB staff and Love all seemingly prefer Doubs and Watson getting PT/targets over Reed if he's so good.
This is a great example of fantasy football blinding out real life common sense. Doubs, Watson and Reed have all been excellent contributors to a strong offense when healthy. The Packers coaches don't make decisions based on fantasy metrics and they don't design the offense around one guy or another. The team's use of these receivers is exactly as most predicted pre-season. Its littered throughout this thread and elsewhere - there is not going to be a clear WR1 on this team and picking one guy over the other from week to week is always going to give fantasy players fits.
And certain NFL teams do pay attention to metrics more so then others, just some coaches listen to the "nerds with the computers" much more than others. No better example than the shift in recent years on going for it on 4th down and going for 2 instead of kicking the extra point. NFL isn't where the MLB is yet by a long shot, but I know for a fact some teams employ several statisticians to analyze this stuff for that exact reason. Not all those metrics overlap with what fantasy people care about, but a lot do. And by all accounts, Watson's metrics for both fantasy and the NFL are garbo.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I'd disagree on a few points here. A lot of pre-season predictions on usage, coming from both these boards and elsewhere, are wrong. A lot. Like Diggs and Barkley's predicted usage vs actual outcome. And common sense seemed to have left the building when Arthur Smith was coaching/calling plays for the Falcons as just one example. It's all a crap shoot. And as good as it feels to "guess right", that's all it really is, a guess. My guess was Reeds outstanding production with limited touches would get him more usage as the year went on. Looks to not be the case yet.I don't assume I know more than the NFL coaches. But in the same breath, I don't assume they are doing great at their jobs 100% of the time either. Watson has shown he's trash for three seasons now, and has only even been mildly fantasy relevant due to TDs. His metrics are horrid. Sunk cost fallacy for the organization? I have no clue. And Doubs seems like a prime cut/trade candidate as a two star recruit in the mountain west throwing tantrums about not getting the ball enough. You probably have better keepers for the cost, at least if nothing else in GB changes. If they upgrade at OC or move on from any of their other WRs I'd reevaluate. Otherwise Achane and Hock are probably the two picks there.It's a 2 keeper league and his value would be a 6th rounder next year if kept. Obviously super enticing but I also will have options of JT as a 3rd, Daniels as a 6th, Achane as an 8th or Hockenson as an 11th.If it's dynasty, you're fine. He's still the most talented WR on the roster and has been able to do more with less to this point. Eventually he'll get a bigger piece of the pie, but regardless, he's shown he doesn't even need it to put up WR1 numbers. It's just an "even better if" for him at this point.I just traded for him last week and he was the main piece coming back.
I'm just surprised the GB staff and Love all seemingly prefer Doubs and Watson getting PT/targets over Reed if he's so good.
This is a great example of fantasy football blinding out real life common sense. Doubs, Watson and Reed have all been excellent contributors to a strong offense when healthy. The Packers coaches don't make decisions based on fantasy metrics and they don't design the offense around one guy or another. The team's use of these receivers is exactly as most predicted pre-season. Its littered throughout this thread and elsewhere - there is not going to be a clear WR1 on this team and picking one guy over the other from week to week is always going to give fantasy players fits.
And certain NFL teams do pay attention to metrics more so then others, just some coaches listen to the "nerds with the computers" much more than others. No better example than the shift in recent years on going for it on 4th down and going for 2 instead of kicking the extra point. NFL isn't where the MLB is yet by a long shot, but I know for a fact some teams employ several statisticians to analyze this stuff for that exact reason. Not all those metrics overlap with what fantasy people care about, but a lot do. And by all accounts, Watson's metrics for both fantasy and the NFL are garbo.
To date, Reed's snap counts are at 65%, just under Doubs at 71% but 20 points higher than both Watson and Wicks. Melton and the tight ends are also of course in the mix. This seems pretty much as expected, although I would say my prediction would have been more action for Watson so long as he's healthy. I can't comment on the situation at other teams and of course agree that NFL teams rely heavily on statistical analysis, Matt LaFleur as much as anyone - but its nothing to do with fantasy production.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Blows my mind. He is so obviously their best WR yet they keep him off the field way too much and in crucial situations. That Wicks TD drop being one where if it's Reed, that's 6.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
The guy should be getting like 10+ touches a game. A couple handoffs then a bunch of volume in the passing game.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I sure hope the Packers get healthy on the BYE and realize they need to utilize Reed far more often than they have.
Rig24
Footballguy
Same, but I really am starting to lose hope until one of the other WRs moves on
Birdie048
Footballguy
Doubs “antics” might prompt a change, but the whole youth WR effort is not likely to change soon. Plus the young TEs add to the another wrinkle
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I effing hate owning Packers WRs.
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
So bizarre, first 3 catches went to him and then nothing for the rest of the game.
