WR Josh Gordon, KC (10 Viewers)

[Soulfly3]

I hereby solemnly vow the following for Week 15:

I, Soul Caleb Fly III, hereby vow that if Josh Gordon does not end his week 15 game with at least 100yds and a TD (if, and only if Johnny Manziel starts), I will never post again in this thread.

I will leave behind a near half year of memories, and bury them with my heart. You have my word.

Signed,

Soul Caleb Fly III

December 8, 2014.

Don't do that. This thread would be awful if you bailed out of it, and Gordon's not going to have 100/1,

Henry, I thank you for the kind words.

But I need you to trust me on this. Manziel goes in, and Gordon goes boom. That whole offense must be so down w that hot mess behind center right now.

Manziel goes in, playoff life on the line, the world's eyes on them... I think it clicks. I dont even expect Manziel to be great... But even good is enough right now

Since November 2, the Browns have thrown one TD pass to a WR. You can say that's Hoyer, but I think it's heavily the scheme. It's not built for WR points. Couple that with Gordon's catch rate over his career, and I just don't see it happening.

I am gonna put my neck out there, regardless.

I have faith in the kid, and the spark it'll bring to the offense.

 

[Chaka]

I hereby solemnly vow the following for Week 15:

I, Soul Caleb Fly III, hereby vow that if Josh Gordon does not end his week 15 game with at least 100yds and a TD (if, and only if Johnny Manziel starts), I will never post again in this thread.

I will leave behind a near half year of memories, and bury them with my heart. You have my word.

Signed,

Soul Caleb Fly III

December 8, 2014.

Don't do that. This thread would be awful if you bailed out of it, and Gordon's not going to have 100/1,

400/4?

 

[Henry Ford]

I hereby solemnly vow the following for Week 15:

I, Soul Caleb Fly III, hereby vow that if Josh Gordon does not end his week 15 game with at least 100yds and a TD (if, and only if Johnny Manziel starts), I will never post again in this thread.

I will leave behind a near half year of memories, and bury them with my heart. You have my word.

Signed,

Soul Caleb Fly III

December 8, 2014.

Don't do that. This thread would be awful if you bailed out of it, and Gordon's not going to have 100/1,

400/4?

Yes. Obviously Johnny Manziel will throw for four TDs against the Bengals. Of course, Gordon will have to get 8 targets in the endzone for that to happen.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Playing him again... hoping for at least his Buffalo performance as a FLOOR.

 

[The Man With No Name]

First NFL rookie year start for:

Tom Brady: 13/23, 168 yards, 0 td's, 0 int.

Peyton Manning: 21/37, 302 yards, 1 td, 3 int.

Drew Brees: 15/19, 160 yards. 2 td's, 0 int.

Andrew Luck: 23/45, 309 yards, 1 td, 3 int.

Joe Flacco: 15/29, 129 yards, 0 td, 0 int.

Andy Dalton: 10/15, 81 yards, 1 td, 0 int.- Won 27-17 against Cleveland.

Matt Ryan: 9/13, 161 yards, 1 td, 0 int.

 

[Soulfly3]

First NFL rookie year start for:

Tom Brady: 13/23, 168 yards, 0 td's, 0 int.

Peyton Manning: 21/37, 302 yards, 1 td, 3 int.

Drew Brees: 15/19, 160 yards. 2 td's, 0 int.

Andrew Luck: 23/45, 309 yards, 1 td, 3 int.

Joe Flacco: 15/29, 129 yards, 0 td, 0 int.

Andy Dalton: 10/15, 81 yards, 1 td, 0 int.- Won 27-17 against Cleveland.

Matt Ryan: 9/13, 161 yards, 1 td, 0 int.

Would take any of those over Hoyer's last 4-5 weeks

 

[massraider]

Manziel only needs to scramble around and uncork one long pass to make Gordon a worthy start. He does it twice, and Gordon could win you a week.

Starting with confidence, assuming Pettine puts the kid in at QB--which I don't think is a lock.

 

[Synthesizer]

Hoyer's 3 worst games of the year also happen to be the 3 games that Gordon has played. Coincidence?

 

[lod01]

Hoyer's 3 worst games of the year also happen to be the 3 games that Gordon has played. Coincidence?

Good question. Last year if I recall, Hoyer was hitting guys in stride and looking all pro right to the fateful run that took him out.

 

[Soulfly3]

Hoyer's 3 worst games of the year also happen to be the 3 games that Gordon has played. Coincidence?

Interception + TD wise, this is true.

Not in any other stat, like completion %, or yards etc.

 

[Synthesizer]

Hoyer's 3 worst games of the year also happen to be the 3 games that Gordon has played. Coincidence?

Interception + TD wise, this is true.

Not in any other stat, like completion %, or yards etc.

I was basing that on general QB play, not just stats. Keeping the chains moving, avoiding turnovers, etc.

 

[Soulfly3]

Hoyer's 3 worst games of the year also happen to be the 3 games that Gordon has played. Coincidence?

Interception + TD wise, this is true.

Not in any other stat, like completion %, or yards etc.

I was basing that on general QB play, not just stats. Keeping the chains moving, avoiding turnovers, etc.

Compared to the last two weeks, he was GREAT against ATL. (he wasnt, by any strecth, but just in comparison)

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hoyer's 3 worst games of the year also happen to be the 3 games that Gordon has played. Coincidence?

I think this was discussed in the Hoyer thread but no doubt the mentality has changed somewhat from 'avoid mistakes' and keep the team in the game, to trying for the big play and constantly looking for Gordon, Maybe someone could also send a shoutout to Norv Turner. Look at what Charles Johnson is doing all of a sudden.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Oh well could have really, really used the classic Gordon 30-40 point game we all loved so much from last year. You swing, you miss, sometimes. This is still my favorite player in the game (well besides Saints players and Sproles), I've been watching Browns games for 3 years now thanks to him, imagine that.

 

[mphtrilogy]

I'm all in on Gordon right now. Here's hoping he emerges just in time next week.

 

[Soulfly3]

Boy o boy has the mood in here changed

If we sent this thread to a doctor, he'd probably give it drugs to help minimize the swings

Mood's gonna be higher than Courtney Love on set of a Comedy Roast if Manziel starts

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Killed me. Held him all year hoping for stud playoffs and oh well. It was a worth a shot.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Hoyer was undrafted for a reason

 

[Soulfly3]

I think Manziel starts. I think Manziel falls flat on his face. However, I can see Manziel scrambling around plenty, and once or twice. chucking it deep to Gordon. Hopefully he catches these. I'm WORRIED.

I wasn't a fan of the manziel pick, but I am beyond excited to see him behind center.

Game is Flexed this week, prime 1pm slot, the Nation will be watching.

What more could we ask for to fire the team up in an ABSOLUTE must win game (and it's divisional!)

We win this, and we definitely can, and the can of worms reopens for playoffs...

 

[The Man With No Name]

I think Manziel starts. I think Manziel falls flat on his face. However, I can see Manziel scrambling around plenty, and once or twice. chucking it deep to Gordon. Hopefully he catches these. I'm WORRIED.

I wasn't a fan of the manziel pick, but I am beyond excited to see him behind center.

Game is Flexed this week, prime 1pm slot, the Nation will be watching.

What more could we ask for to fire the team up in an ABSOLUTE must win game (and it's divisional!)

We win this, and we definitely can, and the can of worms reopens for playoffs...

You wanted Garoppolo, right?

reason I didn't was his completion percentage was not good (in college)

 

[Soulfly3]

I think Manziel starts. I think Manziel falls flat on his face. However, I can see Manziel scrambling around plenty, and once or twice. chucking it deep to Gordon. Hopefully he catches these. I'm WORRIED.

I wasn't a fan of the manziel pick, but I am beyond excited to see him behind center.

Game is Flexed this week, prime 1pm slot, the Nation will be watching.

What more could we ask for to fire the team up in an ABSOLUTE must win game (and it's divisional!)

We win this, and we definitely can, and the can of worms reopens for playoffs...

You wanted Garoppolo, right?

Yes, I was a big fan of Garoppolo. Still am.

 

[Soulfly3]

Boy o boy has the mood in here changed

If we sent this thread to a doctor, he'd probably give it drugs to help minimize the swings

Mood's gonna be higher than Courtney Love on set of a Comedy Roast if Manziel starts

Don't hate on yourself.........I don't think we will be that excited about you not posting in this thread anymore

Id love to include you in this bet.... What do you say?

Manziel Starts: 100/1 + , you leave the thread

Manziel starts and anything below, I leave the thread.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Josh Gordon played on a season-high 79.4 percent of the snaps in Sunday's loss to the Colts.

Gordon incredibly lost some third-down snaps to Taylor Gabriel and Travis Benjamin Sunday, but playing on 54-of-68 snaps is more than enough to produce. It just didn't happen even though he tied for the team-lead in targets with seven against a Vontae Davis-less Colts secondary. Blame Brian Hoyer for incompetence and the Browns coaches for not featuring Gordon -- even if there are whispers his conditioning isn't where it needs to be. Perhaps Johnny Manziel and a Gordon-centric gameplan will bring light in Week 15, but we're not holding our breath. The Browns are bungling a once-promising season.

Source: profootballfocus.com
Dec 8 - 8:40 AM

 

[MAC_32]

Hoyer's 3 worst games of the year also happen to be the 3 games that Gordon has played. Coincidence?

Nope, but that's definitely a part of it, but his demise is a lot more than just Gordon; he's gotta look in the mirror and based on everything he's said the last 2 weeks he's not.

Cameron fell on the sword for the red zone INT and while I don't doubt he ran the wrong route that caused the defender to create the INT from my vantage point it looked like that shouldn't have been the read anyway; Gordon should have. Didn't show on the replay and from my vantage point it was difficult to see with 100% confidence but it sure looked like Gordon was the lone WR right with a corner playing off then both the LB and safety shifted left when Cameron went into motion left. Gordon's route on the play being a slant that is an easy pitch and catch with a quick read of the LB post snap and I don't believe he crashed towards Gordon and the safety was playing too deep to make a play on a well thrown ball anyway. Curious if the all 22 will support this because it sure looked like it, but 15 rows up and on the opposite 20 yard line makes judging more challenging.

 

[hotlanta]

So the million dollar question: Is he worth risking in a critical week 15 playoff matchup based on 1 ok game and 2 duds (by Gordon's standards) in a row?

I'm seriously thinking about sitting him in favor of Benjamin or Maclin. Too risky to blow my 11-3 season on.

Edit to add: Was Gordon's season last year reminisence of Braylon Edwards 2007 where all the stars aligned and then he just fell off the map after that?

 

[Soulfly3]

You will just use your Ojaay sign on, so what is the point?

shocking response.

 

[Soulfly3]

Manziel is 99.5% sure to start, according to LaCanfora

The bet is on.

My forum livelihood is on the line. I love you Joshua.

 

[Soulfly3]

Players have been told Manziel is starting according to multiple reports.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Boom.

 

[Ojaays]

Boy o boy has the mood in here changed

If we sent this thread to a doctor, he'd probably give it drugs to help minimize the swings

Mood's gonna be higher than Courtney Love on set of a Comedy Roast if Manziel starts

Don't hate on yourself.........I don't think we will be that excited about you not posting in this thread anymore

Id love to include you in this bet.... What do you say?

Manziel Starts: 100/1 + , you leave the thread

Manziel starts and anything below, I leave the thread.

You will just use your Ojaay sign on, so what is the point?

I'm in too, so there. Totally down with the bet.

Manziel at least as a chance of hitting an open Gordon,

Hoyer has none. My Gordon love was always tied to the thought that Manziel would be the trigger man.

 

[I Am the Stig]

Boy o boy has the mood in here changed

If we sent this thread to a doctor, he'd probably give it drugs to help minimize the swings

Mood's gonna be higher than Courtney Love on set of a Comedy Roast if Manziel starts

Don't hate on yourself.........I don't think we will be that excited about you not posting in this thread anymore

Id love to include you in this bet.... What do you say?

Manziel Starts: 100/1 + , you leave the thread

Manziel starts and anything below, I leave the thread.

You will just use your Ojaay sign on, so what is the point?

I'm in too, so there. Totally down with the bet.

Manziel at least as a chance of hitting an open Gordon,

Hoyer has none. My Gordon love was always tied to the thought that Manziel would be the trigger man.

My only concern with Manziel is will he just make a read and run?

Still a better bet than Hoyer to top 15 yards though.

 

[rockaction]

Boy o boy has the mood in here changed

If we sent this thread to a doctor, he'd probably give it drugs to help minimize the swings

Mood's gonna be higher than Courtney Love on set of a Comedy Roast if Manziel starts

Don't hate on yourself.........I don't think we will be that excited about you not posting in this thread anymore

Id love to include you in this bet.... What do you say?

Manziel Starts: 100/1 + , you leave the thread

Manziel starts and anything below, I leave the thread.

You will just use your Ojaay sign on, so what is the point?

I'm in too, so there. Totally down with the bet.

Manziel at least as a chance of hitting an open Gordon,

Hoyer has none. My Gordon love was always tied to the thought that Manziel would be the trigger man.

My only concern with Manziel is will he just make a read and run?

Still a better bet than Hoyer to top 15 yards though.

Johnny Football spins in circles until a receiver breaks free, which Gordon surely will. I can't believe this is coming a week too late.

 

[Gottabesweet]

Are we sure when he scrambles it's going to be a long Gordon TD not the other guys haha

Boy o boy has the mood in here changed

If we sent this thread to a doctor, he'd probably give it drugs to help minimize the swings

Mood's gonna be higher than Courtney Love on set of a Comedy Roast if Manziel starts

Don't hate on yourself.........I don't think we will be that excited about you not posting in this thread anymore

Id love to include you in this bet.... What do you say?

Manziel Starts: 100/1 + , you leave the thread

Manziel starts and anything below, I leave the thread.

You will just use your Ojaay sign on, so what is the point?

I'm in too, so there. Totally down with the bet.

Manziel at least as a chance of hitting an open Gordon,

Hoyer has none. My Gordon love was always tied to the thought that Manziel would be the trigger man.

My only concern with Manziel is will he just make a read and run?Still a better bet than Hoyer to top 15 yards though.

Johnny Football spins in circles until a receiver breaks free, which Gordon surely will. I can't believe this is coming a week too late.

 

[meanjoegreen]

First NFL rookie year start for:

Tom Brady: 13/23, 168 yards, 0 td's, 0 int.

Peyton Manning: 21/37, 302 yards, 1 td, 3 int.

Drew Brees: 15/19, 160 yards. 2 td's, 0 int.

Andrew Luck: 23/45, 309 yards, 1 td, 3 int.

Joe Flacco: 15/29, 129 yards, 0 td, 0 int.

Andy Dalton: 10/15, 81 yards, 1 td, 0 int.- Won 27-17 against Cleveland.

Matt Ryan: 9/13, 161 yards, 1 td, 0 int.

and then you have some positive first starts for example:

First NFL rookie year start for:

Cam Newton: 24/37, 422 PAYD, 2 PATD, 18 RUYD, 1 RUTD, 1 int.

Robert Griffin lll: 19/26, 320 PAYD, 2 PATD, 42 RUYD

 

[lod01]

Are we sure when he scrambles it's going to be a long Gordon TD not the other guys haha

Johnny Football spins in circles until a receiver breaks free, which Gordon surely will. I can't believe this is coming a week too late.

Well it will at least it will probably be catchable as opposed to whatever it is that Hoyer does.

 

[I Am the Stig]

Boy o boy has the mood in here changed

If we sent this thread to a doctor, he'd probably give it drugs to help minimize the swings

Mood's gonna be higher than Courtney Love on set of a Comedy Roast if Manziel starts

Don't hate on yourself.........I don't think we will be that excited about you not posting in this thread anymore

Id love to include you in this bet.... What do you say?

Manziel Starts: 100/1 + , you leave the thread

Manziel starts and anything below, I leave the thread.

You will just use your Ojaay sign on, so what is the point?

I'm in too, so there. Totally down with the bet.

Manziel at least as a chance of hitting an open Gordon,

Hoyer has none. My Gordon love was always tied to the thought that Manziel would be the trigger man.

My only concern with Manziel is will he just make a read and run?

Still a better bet than Hoyer to top 15 yards though.

Johnny Football spins in circles until a receiver breaks free, which Gordon surely will. I can't believe this is coming a week too late.

I pray you are right. Im already down B Marshall.

 

[Courtweeks87]

The score this guy dropped is horrendous, and will cost me the magic football playoffs, but the throws that Hoyer chucked were horrendous, and will cost a real football team the playoffs.

Hoyer put that last throw right on the money but Gordon wasn't running hard until the ball was in the air. Gordon cost a real football team the playoffs too.

Yep. Guy was basically jogging out there on that play. If he ran that route at full speed, it was an easy catch. Instead it went off his fingertips.

If he ran that route at full speed hoyer under throws it horribly for a pick

 

[Synthesizer]

The score this guy dropped is horrendous, and will cost me the magic football playoffs, but the throws that Hoyer chucked were horrendous, and will cost a real football team the playoffs.

Hoyer put that last throw right on the money but Gordon wasn't running hard until the ball was in the air. Gordon cost a real football team the playoffs too.

Yep. Guy was basically jogging out there on that play. If he ran that route at full speed, it was an easy catch. Instead it went off his fingertips.

If he ran that route at full speed hoyer under throws it horribly for a pick

Interesting justification for half-assing it with the game on the line.

 

[T J]

I hereby solemnly vow the following for Week 15:

I, Soul Caleb Fly III, hereby vow that if Josh Gordon does not end his week 15 game with at least 100yds and a TD (if, and only if Johnny Manziel starts), I will never post again in this thread.

I will leave behind a near half year of memories, and bury them with my heart. You have my word.

Signed,

Soul Caleb Fly III

December 8, 2014.

Don't do that. This thread would be awful if you bailed out of it, and Gordon's not going to have 100/1,

Disagree. Do it.

 

[Soulfly3]

I hereby solemnly vow the following for Week 15:

I, Soul Caleb Fly III, hereby vow that if Josh Gordon does not end his week 15 game with at least 100yds and a TD (if, and only if Johnny Manziel starts), I will never post again in this thread.

I will leave behind a near half year of memories, and bury them with my heart. You have my word.

Signed,

Soul Caleb Fly III

December 8, 2014.

Don't do that. This thread would be awful if you bailed out of it, and Gordon's not going to have 100/1,

Disagree. Do it.

The 4-5 times I said Im doing it wasnt enough?

 

[BassNBrew]

LOL…Had a chance to stash Gordon in one league but passed and rostered Starks late. Starks last run and 18.1 pts pulls out a playoff victory.

Good luck to you remaining Gordon owners, I hope your investment pays off. He's been eliminated in all of my bb leagues now. Hopefully some of you guys who had him went Julio/Murray in the 1st/2nd.

 

[T J]

I hereby solemnly vow the following for Week 15:

I, Soul Caleb Fly III, hereby vow that if Josh Gordon does not end his week 15 game with at least 100yds and a TD (if, and only if Johnny Manziel starts), I will never post again in this thread.

I will leave behind a near half year of memories, and bury them with my heart. You have my word.

Signed,

Soul Caleb Fly III

December 8, 2014.

Don't do that. This thread would be awful if you bailed out of it, and Gordon's not going to have 100/1,

Disagree. Do it.

The 4-5 times I said Im doing it wasnt enough?

Whatever. I was just disagreeing with the other guy.

 

[trader jake]

Starting Gordon with confidence week 15. He'll ball out with a quarterback that can do better than the 1 TD and 8 INT's that Hoyer put up over the last five games.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I hereby solemnly vow the following for Week 15:

I, Soul Caleb Fly III, hereby vow that if Josh Gordon does not end his week 15 game with at least 100yds and a TD (if, and only if Johnny Manziel starts), I will never post again in this thread.

I will leave behind a near half year of memories, and bury them with my heart. You have my word.

Signed,

Soul Caleb Fly III

December 8, 2014.

Oh come on, don't do that. You're committed to the thread, you bring good comments and knowledge and information, stay in the thread.

 

[cvnpoka]

Game on the line and he was jogging. Once he saw it was coming to him, then he started running hard. Ball through his fingertips. Oops.

gotta be a joke. ya, sure he was jogging while outrunning dbs.

 

[cvnpoka]

This on Rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen is "hearing plenty of criticism" about Josh Gordon, including that he's out of shape.

Gordon, who led the NFL in receiving last season, had his snaps reduced Sunday in favor of Taylor Gabriel and Travis Benjamin. Apparently the Browns aren't happy with his conditioning, route-running and/or grasp of the playbook. Of course, none of this came out over the last two weeks, so it looks like they're trying to save face after making the mistake of sticking with Brian Hoyer over Johnny Manziel. The Browns would have to be insane not to use Gordon as a full-time, featured player in a must-win game against Cincy in Week 15. The concern is that they are that insane.

bolded is ding ding ding. rotoworld is nailing this one. and im pretty sure its actually stemming from pettine. i think the front office wants johnny, and has for some weeks. but pettine is all about hoyer and is doing everything he can to protect hoyer while shifting blame. gordon is the perfect scapegoat given his history, despite him never being out of shape or lacking effort. but hey, hes a pot smoking black man, he does everything wrong.

 

[BobbyLayne]

This on Rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen is "hearing plenty of criticism" about Josh Gordon, including that he's out of shape.

Gordon, who led the NFL in receiving last season, had his snaps reduced Sunday in favor of Taylor Gabriel and Travis Benjamin. Apparently the Browns aren't happy with his conditioning, route-running and/or grasp of the playbook. Of course, none of this came out over the last two weeks, so it looks like they're trying to save face after making the mistake of sticking with Brian Hoyer over Johnny Manziel. The Browns would have to be insane not to use Gordon as a full-time, featured player in a must-win game against Cincy in Week 15. The concern is that they are that insane.

bolded is ding ding ding. rotoworld is nailing this one. and im pretty sure its actually stemming from pettine. i think the front office wants johnny, and has for some weeks. but pettine is all about hoyer and is doing everything he can to protect hoyer while shifting blame. gordon is the perfect scapegoat given his history, despite him never being out of shape or lacking effort. but hey, hes a pot smoking black man, he does everything wrong.

Another lame attempt at playing the race card? In (again) a situation where it's not even remotely an issue? What is with you? I mean I've known guys with a chip in their shoulder, but you're lugging around a cinder block.

Actually Gordon's work ethic has been called into question all three years he's been in the league. That's across different coaching regimes and quarterbacks.

The reader can decide if that's a) a pattern of behavior, or b) the world conspiracy against Josh Gordon.

 

[LittlePhatty]

This on Rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen is "hearing plenty of criticism" about Josh Gordon, including that he's out of shape.

Gordon, who led the NFL in receiving last season, had his snaps reduced Sunday in favor of Taylor Gabriel and Travis Benjamin. Apparently the Browns aren't happy with his conditioning, route-running and/or grasp of the playbook. Of course, none of this came out over the last two weeks, so it looks like they're trying to save face after making the mistake of sticking with Brian Hoyer over Johnny Manziel. The Browns would have to be insane not to use Gordon as a full-time, featured player in a must-win game against Cincy in Week 15. The concern is that they are that insane.

bolded is ding ding ding. rotoworld is nailing this one. and im pretty sure its actually stemming from pettine. i think the front office wants johnny, and has for some weeks. but pettine is all about hoyer and is doing everything he can to protect hoyer while shifting blame. gordon is the perfect scapegoat given his history, despite him never being out of shape or lacking effort. but hey, hes a pot smoking black man, he does everything wrong.

Another lame attempt at playing the race card? In (again) a situation where it's not even remotely an issue? What is with you? I mean I've known guys with a chip in their shoulder, but you're lugging around a cinder block.

Agreed, that was a lame insinuation. It isn't hard to find actual examples of racial discrimination in the world, so no need to go and just make one up. If they are throwing Gordon under the bus, it's because "missing 10 weeks due to suspension" makes for an excellent scapegoat, and it has nothing to do with race.

I thought Hoyer was proving he had the goods early in the season, but something has derailed that train recently. Maybe he isn't holding up under the pressure, or something. The defense handed him a win against a very good Colts team but he couldn't close it out. I think Manziel has a lot to learn before he is ready for the NFL, but they should probably give him a shot.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This on Rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen is "hearing plenty of criticism" about Josh Gordon, including that he's out of shape.

Gordon, who led the NFL in receiving last season, had his snaps reduced Sunday in favor of Taylor Gabriel and Travis Benjamin. Apparently the Browns aren't happy with his conditioning, route-running and/or grasp of the playbook. Of course, none of this came out over the last two weeks, so it looks like they're trying to save face after making the mistake of sticking with Brian Hoyer over Johnny Manziel. The Browns would have to be insane not to use Gordon as a full-time, featured player in a must-win game against Cincy in Week 15. The concern is that they are that insane.

bolded is ding ding ding. rotoworld is nailing this one. and im pretty sure its actually stemming from pettine. i think the front office wants johnny, and has for some weeks. but pettine is all about hoyer and is doing everything he can to protect hoyer while shifting blame. gordon is the perfect scapegoat given his history, despite him never being out of shape or lacking effort. but hey, hes a pot smoking black man, he does everything wrong.

So you think a head coach is going to alienate his best player to protect a QB that won't even be on the team next year?

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

This on Rotoworld:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen is "hearing plenty of criticism" about Josh Gordon, including that he's out of shape.

Gordon, who led the NFL in receiving last season, had his snaps reduced Sunday in favor of Taylor Gabriel and Travis Benjamin. Apparently the Browns aren't happy with his conditioning, route-running and/or grasp of the playbook. Of course, none of this came out over the last two weeks, so it looks like they're trying to save face after making the mistake of sticking with Brian Hoyer over Johnny Manziel. The Browns would have to be insane not to use Gordon as a full-time, featured player in a must-win game against Cincy in Week 15. The concern is that they are that insane.

bolded is ding ding ding. rotoworld is nailing this one. and im pretty sure its actually stemming from pettine. i think the front office wants johnny, and has for some weeks. but pettine is all about hoyer and is doing everything he can to protect hoyer while shifting blame. gordon is the perfect scapegoat given his history, despite him never being out of shape or lacking effort. but hey, hes a pot smoking black man, he does everything wrong.

Another lame attempt at playing the race card? In (again) a situation where it's not even remotely an issue? What is with you? I mean I've known guys with a chip in their shoulder, but you're lugging around a cinder block.

Agreed, that was a lame insinuation. It isn't hard to find actual examples of racial discrimination in the world, so no need to go and just make one up. If they are throwing Gordon under the bus, it's because "missing 10 weeks due to suspension" makes for an excellent scapegoat, and it has nothing to do with race.I thought Hoyer was proving he had the goods early in the season, but something has derailed that train recently. Maybe he isn't holding up under the pressure, or something. The defense handed him a win against a very good Colts team but he couldn't close it out. I think Manziel has a lot to learn before he is ready for the NFL, but they should probably give him a shot.

Maybe the book is out on him and teams are forcing him to do what he is weak at doing. This is a string of games now that he has looked like garbage. They need new blood in there or they will get more of the same. Hoyer is not adapting to the way teams are playing him.