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WR Kevin White, NO (1 Viewer)

I saw videos of him running in practice a couple weeks ago and the hitch in his stride was very apparent. Didn't look anywhere near healthy.

Still hope he can get some action, but it seems unlikely.

 
not looking good that he can't run normal yet. tough luck for white. he seems like a guy who doesn't recover well or fast.

 
beef said:
not looking good that he can't run normal yet. tough luck for white. he seems like a guy who doesn't recover well or fast.
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Thanks for that glass half empty take on the situation Dr. Beef. I'm ok with his recovery from a surgically repaired stress fracture taking 3-4 months. No need to rush him back. Let it heal for 2016.

 
I can't wait to see what him and ALSHON can do to opposing defenses, thought he was the real day from day one and am still banking on a pro bowl calibre career from this kid. I don't think the Bears risk injury this season, however.

 
Kevin White is doing a pregame workout that includes catching passes for practice squad quarterback Justin Worley. #Bears

 
In his pregame workout, #Bears rookie WR Kevin White (PUP) has been running different routes, making abrupt cuts. Lost one deep ball in sun.

 
Kevin White just finished a workout at Soldier Field, which included running routes and catching passes from Jay Cutler. #Bears

 
Someone actually dropped him in my Dynasty league...

They dropped him after the WW period and no one else noticed for 2 days, so I had time to snatch him up. Couldn't believe it, 3rd overall pick this year after Cooper and Gurley. Some folks just aren't patient I guess.

 
Anyone care to guess where he will go in 2016 drafts? 50+ WR pick? Is there room in the Chicago offense for him to be successful in his rookie season version 2?

 
BoulderBob said:
I can't wait to see what him and ALSHON can do to opposing defenses, thought he was the real day from day one and am still banking on a pro bowl calibre career from this kid. I don't think the Bears risk injury this season, however.
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As a Packers fan I'd just like to tell you, "5/2/2012: Signed a four-year, $4.54 million contract. The deal included a $1.74 million signing bonus. 2015: $960,157, 2016: Free Agent."

Kevin White could very well enter the season as the WR1 with Marquess Wilson as the WR2.

 
-CE- said:
BoulderBob said:
I can't wait to see what him and ALSHON can do to opposing defenses, thought he was the real day from day one and am still banking on a pro bowl calibre career from this kid. I don't think the Bears risk injury this season, however.
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As a Packers fan I'd just like to tell you, "5/2/2012: Signed a four-year, $4.54 million contract. The deal included a $1.74 million signing bonus. 2015: $960,157, 2016: Free Agent."

Kevin White could very well enter the season as the WR1 with Marquess Wilson as the WR2.
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Why would the bears let the only talented young player they have walk? With their roster I'd think they have to spend to hit the cap floor. Not happening.

 
Faust said:
Bears coach compares Kevin White to Johnson, Wayne
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I read that earlier today. Put in an offer* in one league for him. 

I think the Bears can support 2 WRs. I don't trust that their defense has improve enough to the point where they can hold them in games. I think Chicago will have to go to the air quite a bit and with Jeffery on the other side White might face the nicer coverage. Also, I think it's far to say that Langford isn't a superstar that needs to be fed.

*Hilton and 2017 2nd for White and a 2017 4th. Was accepted. If anyone cares. 

 
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Borden said:
I read that earlier today. Put in an offer* in one league for him. 

I think the Bears can support 2 WRs. I don't trust that their defense has improve enough to the point where they can hold them in games. I think Chicago will have to go to the air quite a bit and with Jeffery on the other side White might face the nicer coverage. Also, I think it's far to say that Langford isn't a superstar that needs to be fed.

*Hilton and 2017 2nd for White and a 2017 4th. Was rejected. If anyone cares. 
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Should look back to last year.  Defense was far better than offense and they've greatly improved the front 7 on D.  Bunch of UDFAs playing on D last year and they still finished middle of the road.  White looks like a dynamite wr but the Bears are a running team built around the defense now.  That said,  they've improved the offensive line as well and I think White will have some good games,  especially if Alshon goes down again. 

 
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I like this kids a lot, but given his lack of NFL experience and coming off a season long injury, I am tempering my expectations.  I would be pleased if he could put up 60 for 900 yards and 6 TDs.  His ceiling is much higher but until he shows on the field in the NFL what he can do, one has to be cautious.

 
flapgreen said:
Should look back to last year.  Defense was far better than offense and they've greatly improved the front 7 on D.  Bunch of UDFAs playing on D last year and they still finished middle of the road.  White looks like a dynamite wr but the Bears are a running team built around the defense now.  That said,  they've improved the offensive line as well and I think White will have some good games,  especially if Alshon goes down again. 
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Football Outsiders has them as the 2nd worst defense from last year. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

To your point though, PFF sees the 2016 Bears defense as playoff caliber. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/05/06/draft-bears-will-field-a-playoff-caliber-defense-in-2016/

I will concede that their defense is greatly improved but I don't see them as having an elite defense. Not the type of defense that carries the entire team. Nor do I see the loss of Forte and the heavier reliance of Langford being a positive step in enchancing the run game. Plus, if they aren't throwing enough our boy Cutler will just hot route in some more passes. :D  Actually though, I can't see the offense choosing to go with Howard and Langford over Cutler, Jeffery and White. 

 
Borden said:
I read that earlier today. Put in an offer* in one league for him. 

I think the Bears can support 2 WRs. I don't trust that their defense has improve enough to the point where they can hold them in games. I think Chicago will have to go to the air quite a bit and with Jeffery on the other side White might face the nicer coverage. Also, I think it's far to say that Langford isn't a superstar that needs to be fed.

*Hilton and 2017 2nd for White and a 2017 4th. Was accepted. If anyone cares. 
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Interesting.  How do see White slotting into this WR rookie class?

 
Borden said:
Football Outsiders has them as the 2nd worst defense from last year. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

To your point though, PFF sees the 2016 Bears defense as playoff caliber. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/05/06/draft-bears-will-field-a-playoff-caliber-defense-in-2016/

I will concede that their defense is greatly improved but I don't see them as having an elite defense. Not the type of defense that carries the entire team. Nor do I see the loss of Forte and the heavier reliance of Langford being a positive step in enchancing the run game. Plus, if they aren't throwing enough our boy Cutler will just hot route in some more passes. :D  Actually though, I can't see the offense choosing to go with Howard and Langford over Cutler, Jeffery and White. 
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Never heard of football outsiders but they were 20th in scoring defense and 14th in total yards.  Puts them toward the middle of the pack in my eyes.  Far from 2nd worst in league. 

I think they're much improved now but definitely nowhere near "elite"  yet.  Howard will play a pivotal role along with Langford and Carey imo.  OL should be much improved.  Loggains has already said the offense won't change any from last year.  I just can't see them going back to relying on Cutler to do everything.  He pretty carried the team last year but who knows this year.  Hearing nothing but great things from coaches on White.  Great work ethic and explosive athlete with good hands.  Should be special. Would've been top 5 pick coming out this year.

 
az_prof said:
I like this kids a lot, but given his lack of NFL experience and coming off a season long injury, I am tempering my expectations.  I would be pleased if he could put up 60 for 900 yards and 6 TDs.  His ceiling is much higher but until he shows on the field in the NFL what he can do, one has to be cautious.
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I look at it differently. He's had a year to study the offensive plays and routes, he's had some time to study tapes and defensive strategies, a year to better learn his position. IMHO he'll be just fine. I guess it's just how we view things.

Tex

 
DropKick said:
Interesting.  How do see White slotting into this WR rookie class?
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#1 WR. Truthfully, I was higher on him than Cooper last year but it seems that was the wrong call. Maybe he lights it up this year. I have invested in this actually happening. 

 
flapgreen said:
Never heard of football outsiders but they were 20th in scoring defense and 14th in total yards.  Puts them toward the middle of the pack in my eyes.  Far from 2nd worst in league. 

I think they're much improved now but definitely nowhere near "elite"  yet.  Howard will play a pivotal role along with Langford and Carey imo.  OL should be much improved.  Loggains has already said the offense won't change any from last year.  I just can't see them going back to relying on Cutler to do everything.  He pretty carried the team last year but who knows this year.  Hearing nothing but great things from coaches on White.  Great work ethic and explosive athlete with good hands.  Should be special. Would've been top 5 pick coming out this year.
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Football Outsiders is a great source of info.

Tex

 
flapgreen said:
Never heard of football outsiders but they were 20th in scoring defense and 14th in total yards.  Puts them toward the middle of the pack in my eyes.  Far from 2nd worst in league. 

I think they're much improved now but definitely nowhere near "elite"  yet.  Howard will play a pivotal role along with Langford and Carey imo.  OL should be much improved.  Loggains has already said the offense won't change any from last year.  I just can't see them going back to relying on Cutler to do everything.  He pretty carried the team last year but who knows this year.  Hearing nothing but great things from coaches on White.  Great work ethic and explosive athlete with good hands.  Should be special. Would've been top 5 pick coming out this year.
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Check out that link for Football Outsiders. Seems like the best in depth, stat based rankings. I'm mildly surprised you've never heard of them. 

 
Borden said:
#1 WR. Truthfully, I was higher on him than Cooper last year but it seems that was the wrong call. Maybe he lights it up this year. I have invested in this actually happening. 
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I agree completely and don't think it's really close. Not only do I consider White a better overall talent than any of this year's rookie WR's, but he has had a year in an NFL system. He might not have been playing football full speed, but he's been in meetings and on the team the entire time. I'm honestly shocked that this thread isn't about 20 pages longer than it is right now. White could obviously end up being a bust but right now he's one of the most intriguing "unknowns" of the upcoming season.

 
According to @MoveTheSticks all the people he's talked to about @mrkevinwhite & how he's looked they say "Absolute Freak Show" #Bears

Measurables,  he's similar to Julio coming out.  Julio has one inch longer arms and 1/2 inch bigger hands and 2 inch bigger vertical.  White had 6 more reps on bench and 1/2 second faster 40

 
flapgreen said:
According to @MoveTheSticks all the people he's talked to about @mrkevinwhite & how he's looked they say "Absolute Freak Show" #Bears

Measurables,  he's similar to Julio coming out.  Julio has one inch longer arms and 1/2 inch bigger hands and 2 inch bigger vertical.  White had 6 more reps on bench and 1/2 second faster 40
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He's closer to Cordarrelle Patterson than Julio Jones.

 
King of the Jungle said:
I disagree with that. I predict he climbs into the top 10 dynasty receiver conversation if he can remain healthy. His game does not resemble Patterson's at all IMO.
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Raw, very good after the catch, not very good before the catch, faster with the ball than without the ball.

He's Patterson with better hands.

 
Xue said:
Raw, very good after the catch, not very good before the catch, faster with the ball than without the ball.

He's Patterson with better hands.
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This is a bad example but I appreciate you sticking to your guns.  I get that if you look at the measurables, you might think this... but that's piss poor analysis.

Patterson had zero idea how to run routes out of college.  He couldn't gain any separation and had zero concepts of how to beat press coverage.  Patterson was an "open field/vision" guy.  He lacked the ability to high point a ball consistantly.  He was nothing more than a superb athlete that was going to have to learn how to run routes.

White has excellent route running abilities, a repertoire of moves to gain separation and a variety of moves to destroy press coverage.  He's much stronger than Patterson is and it's evident every time he puts his hands on a defensive back.  He high points the football, has good sideline awareness and was an extremely crafty WR coming out of college.  

Other than that, yeah, their size and 40 times were pretty similar.

 
Xue said:
He's closer to Cordarrelle Patterson than Julio Jones.
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White has very little in common with Patterson.  Compare their final years in college. White  109/1447.  Patterson 46/778. Not even close.  Has White ever even returned a kickoff?  That was Patterson's specialty.   Patterson also used some as a rb.  These guys are nothing alike. 

 
White is going to explode!

Physical Freak.

All this talk about route tree crap doesn't matter for physical freaks!

Watch the film - he's made some tremendous catches...

best WR in last years draft - IMO

 
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This is a bad example but I appreciate you sticking to your guns.  I get that if you look at the measurables, you might think this... but that's piss poor analysis.

Patterson had zero idea how to run routes out of college.  He couldn't gain any separation and had zero concepts of how to beat press coverage.  Patterson was an "open field/vision" guy.  He lacked the ability to high point a ball consistantly.  He was nothing more than a superb athlete that was going to have to learn how to run routes.

White has excellent route running abilities, a repertoire of moves to gain separation and a variety of moves to destroy press coverage.  He's much stronger than Patterson is and it's evident every time he puts his hands on a defensive back.  He high points the football, has good sideline awareness and was an extremely crafty WR coming out of college.  

Other than that, yeah, their size and 40 times were pretty similar.
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White fans continue to lie to themselves.  Most of what you posted is false.

For a 215-lb WR to run a 4.35, he should have been wide open more often against Big 12 DBs, but he wasn't.  A 185-lb Tyler Locket running a 4.40, was much better at getting deep in the same conference.  DeVante Parker with his 4.45 speed was also much better.  White's own WVU teammate Mario Alford ran a similar 40 but was much better at making plays downfield.  If Kevin White is much better at separation then why did it not show up on film?  Because he isn't better at it.

Sorry, but "excellent" is not what White's routes were.  He wasn't anywhere close to Cooper and Lockett.

White is not a "high pointer".  What he does is win contested catches. Two different things.  This is what high pointing is.

http://i.imgur.com/NAv0FkV.gif

I've never seen White do that.

What's piss poor is White fans continue to be blinded by the numbers.  He is farther from Julio than you think.

 
Xue said:
White fans continue to lie to themselves.  Most of what you posted is false.

For a 215-lb WR to run a 4.35, he should have been wide open more often against Big 12 DBs, but he wasn't.  A 185-lb Tyler Locket running a 4.40, was much better at getting deep in the same conference.  DeVante Parker with his 4.45 speed was also much better.  White's own WVU teammate Mario Alford ran a similar 40 but was much better at making plays downfield.  If Kevin White is much better at separation then why did it not show up on film?  Because he isn't better at it.
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In 2014 White ranked 5th in the NCAA in receiving yards and tied for 6th in 25+ yard catches. White had 109 catches and 15 gains of 25+ yards. Lockett had 106 catches and 13 gains of 25+ yards. Statistically, White was more effective at generating big plays than Lockett. Parker's numbers probably would've been off the charts because he had 12 catches of 25+ on just 43 grabs, but he missed about half the season.

White may not be tremendous out of breaks, but he is quite agile from side-to-side. I think he has a much different movement style than Cordarrelle Patterson. I think he moves pretty well. He's almost too pigeon-toed/bow-legged for his own good, but it seems to work for him. I think he will be good in the NFL. You can nitpick anyone if you really want to. Nobody is perfect. Even Calvin Johnson wasn't perfect. Does White have enough good qualities to be a perennial 1,000 yard guy in the NFL? Yes, I think he has a good chance.

 
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