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WR Marquise Brown, KC (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
That's my concern too. Love the talent. I don't know if he has the shiftiness of Cohen or Tyreek Hill or could approach their performance or if his ceiling is more along Westbrook's.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He’s estimated at 168 at Draft Network. John Ross was 188, Hill 185. Even Dede and John Brown were 178. Cohen was 179 but also 4 inches shorter than those guys. If Marquise weighs in below ~178, it’s going to be a huge worry. At 5-10 and 168, he’s basically my size and while I obviously lack all of his athletic traits, I can not even fathom dealing with the physicality of the NFL.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
He is small but I bet Baker Mayfield would love to reunite with him if given the chance.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sure but there’s at least 12-15 quality NFL WRs in this draft that Cleveland will have a chance to add.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I don't know how many will be ranked ahead of him and I don't think he'll get selected... hmnn probably until after the 2nd round.
The Browns hold two-3rd round picks, one late (Patriots in Danny Shelton deal).
Difficult to predict what positions let alone individuals Dorsey will take but Marquise Brown is a name I would be excited over if he gets reunited with Baker Mayfield.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That's his cousin. I'm sure there will be influence there. Love the talent but I can see his head growing like a pumpkin with success as well.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I was super high on him. He's got serious talent and at one point I ahd him #1 because of Tyreek Hill's success. I'm just not going to reach for him now. Another guy I hope goes to a team like BALT so I don't have to consider him.
I'm going one year after seeing James Washington on the TV every Saturday to seeing this guy. One played so much smaller while the other used every ounce of what he's got like Cobb does in GB.
Hill is unique and I bet there isn't another one for a number of years. Austin and Ross and...geesh there's probably plenty of small speedy lil buggers. I feel like there's a type I like and it's gotta be that they play like no one told them they were small.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Maybe even round one for teams needing a playmaker.
I've seen mocks to Baltimore that make sense.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I am sure AB will be in his ear but also I don't think the personality of someone has all that much in relation to the personality of their cousin. Also, the Steelers seem to have some issues in general which might be exacerbating the AB problem. The Bell situation has been a mess. Their franchsie QB is a huge ahole. If Hollywood can produce anything close to what AB has than I would welcome any percevived headache with it.
As I noted earlier in the thread, he is a lot smaller than Hil or at least that is the expecation. 168 vs 185.
Just remember when you are small, you require a more accurate QB. This guy with Lamar Jackson is a complete zero.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
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skinfanjon
Footballguy
His running style and after the catch ability remind me a lot of Santana Moss. He's obviously a good deal smaller (Moss was 184 as a rook) and I don't think he accelarates as quickly, but it seems he has more late speed. A better closing kick if you will.
It took Moss a few years but once he came to the Skins, he had some incredible years and not just in fantasy land. Dude was an excellent receiver and I miss watching every week.
Brown reminds me of him and is related to the hardest working receiver in the league (diva yes but his preparation is tops, bar none).
Size is the obvious concern but I'd gamble on the upside he brings with him. Long way to go but think there's a reasonable path to the 1.01.
It took Moss a few years but once he came to the Skins, he had some incredible years and not just in fantasy land. Dude was an excellent receiver and I miss watching every week.
Brown reminds me of him and is related to the hardest working receiver in the league (diva yes but his preparation is tops, bar none).
Size is the obvious concern but I'd gamble on the upside he brings with him. Long way to go but think there's a reasonable path to the 1.01.
You still have to be accurate. The catch radius of a 5-10 guy is less than a 6-3 guy. Plus he's moving faster so hitting that moving target is tougher. Look at Winston. Can't hit the broadside of a barn and Evans routinely nailed him out with fantastic catches. Desean Jackson could not because his catch radius is smaller. Everyone knows Jackson played his best ball in Tampa with Fitz who was able to connect with Jackson on deep passes.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It’s still more complex than that. If the guy is 5-10 but has torched his defender, there’s a big window for the ball to go. If the guy is 6-2 but can’t get separation than the window is going to be really freaking small.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Every QB has to be accurate but for an inaccurate QB having a guy who gets separation would be more beneficial than having a WR who doesn't get much separation.
Evans is huge and strong he makes his bread and butter with contested catches where the ball is thrown up there but he also has speed to get separation. He's the quintessential prototype that everyone wants. I don't think anyone is saying that they would turn down a 6'5 231 lb guy with 4.4 speed for a 5'7 168 lb guy with 4.3 speed with better COD and tight-space explosion.
Marquise Brown is small and light, he is far from a prototypical WR and his game is not making contested catches. His game is pure speed with one guy missing a tackle, a home run hitter who isn't going to get you consistent singles but he will separate to give a QB an open window which would help an inaccurate QB who has trouble hitting tight windows.
I agree with all this but what I'm saying is just don't think he is the problem when the QB misses him the way Winston misses Jackson. He's got the talent but he's not putting up anything near Tyreek Hill without an accurate passer. If he went to Detroit, I wouldn't think much of him. Stafford would get him killed eventually. Calvin Johnson took a beating due to bad passes.
Jackson with Fitz: Then it went down hill when Fitz got benched. Jackson never caught over 50% of the balls from Winston in 2018.
5-5 for 146 100.00%
4-4 for 129 100.00%
3-5 for 37 60.00%
5-5 for 112 62.50%
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It depends on the QB and the type of throw as well. Some QBs are really accurate hitting guys on 15 yard crossing routes but struggle to put the right touch needed for an over the shoulder 30 yard throw. I think there are just a lot of variables when trying to break down catch radius and a QB-WR mesh. Obviously Winston had trouble connecting with Desean on deep passes. I am sure there are some QBs out there who do much better leading speedster receivers down field than they do tossing a jump ball up to a big guy and vice versa.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Shows that different QBs can work with a home run hitter who isn't a Red Zone threat WR like D-Jack but stretched the field vertically.
Tampa Bay had issues on offense. Take a look what happened with the coaches. OC Todd Monken had his play calling duties taken away from him late in the season and the Bucs had their worst scoring game of the season. Next week he regained play calling duties.
The switched QBs and you saw how a big time playmaker's production decreased but the fact is that a FA QB was posting league leading passing stats where he was able to utilize a small WR like DeSean Jackson.
Monken comes from an Air Raid college background, the same offense that Marquise Brown comes from, the same sort of offense that Baker Mayfield comes from. Monken left TB and is now the OC in Cleveland working with Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield used to throw to Marquise Brown.
I'm not saying that Cleveland would use a 1st round pick on him but Jon Dorsey took a small WR named Tyreek Hill when he was the GM of KC.
Jon Dorsey is now the GM of Cleveland and he took a small QB with the 1st pick of last year's draft.
jtd13
Footballguy
I'm assuming you mean the semifinal game against Alabama. It's worth pointing out he came back early from a foot injury to play in the game.
He came back too early from injury, fair enough. Just a bad end to a college career when he sees the top defense, goes 0 for 6 with two drops and is benched
TakiToki
Footballguy
Love the Santana Moss comparison made earlier. Brown is really good at tracking the ball in the air and adjusting his speed. He's not Tyreek Hill with the ball in his hands. He'll make some guys look silly in the open field, but doesn't quite have the "smoke through a keyhole" ability in traffic.
