WR Jermaine Burton, CIN (1 Viewer)

[greenmountaingoat]

Time to grow up, kid. He won't listen- he's lost in his own world of toddler emotions.

"It's just going to be an ongoing process with Jermaine," Bengals offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher said on Monday. "We believe that there's a world where Jermaine Burton is an excellent pro and an excellent Bengal. We're gonna continue our part to put him in position to grow into that, and then Jermaine has to do the growing. We'll keep moving forward. We know what he can offer us. I know he wants that. And so we'll take it week by week."

 

[Faust]

Kelsey Conway
Joe Burrow getting some pre-game work with rookie Jermaine Burton who will play tonight after being inactive last week

The Bengals are without Tee Higgins again so we’ll see if Burton can provide some sort of a spark on offense

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[bolldpt]

Who’s rolling him out tonight? He is still in my taxi squad. Think I’ll wait to see how he looks.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Who’s rolling him out tonight? He is still in my taxi squad. Think I’ll wait to see how he looks.

I can’t imagine rolling him out this year

 

[bolldpt]

Who’s rolling him out tonight? He is still in my taxi squad. Think I’ll wait to see how he looks.

I can’t imagine rolling him out this year

I’m not, that’s for sure, but gotta be some desperate plays in Dynasty possibly.

 

[EWV1]

It's Burton, Metchie or Marvin Mims for me so I am probably going with Burton, though with Collins out maybe Metchie maybe makes more sense. Or 2 of the 3 and sit Adonai Mitchell but Pittman will be out probably.

 

[Faust]

Exclusive: Jermaine Burton on 'Mistake,' Building Trust With Joe Burrow and Other Bengals Teammates

 

[knollywood]

Having watched all the Bengals games this year I can say he's not worth rostering. Not even in dynasty. He looks completely lost.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

he's a rookie

 

[JohnnyU]

Having watched all the Bengals games this year I can say he's not worth rostering. Not even in dynasty. He looks completely lost.

Really? How do you make that determination in his rookie season? What stood out to you that would eliminate this rookie from future dynasty consideration?

 

[pinkstapler]

Having watched all the Bengals games this year I can say he's not worth rostering. Not even in dynasty. He looks completely lost.

Really? How do you make that determination in his rookie season? What stood out to you that would eliminate this rookie from future dynasty consideration?

"I'm mad I drafted him where I did and hyped him to a bunch of people so he made me look/feel dumb and now I hate him" - lots and lots of dynasty people the past month or two

I still had him as the WR4 of this draft class despite drafting him nearly a dozen spots later. If talent wins out over being drafted to a bad team, I'll believe talent can win out over being an immature knucklehead. And if it doesn't, the cost of finding out was nearly insignificant compared to what I believe his ceiling could be based on measurables and college tape I watched. Easily hold him another season and a half to two on dynasty rosters that tend to be 25+ deep over some 28 year old perennial WR4/5 I debate playing once a year and most of the time decide not to in favor of the upside guy on my bench.

But to each their own.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I drafted him in the second. He's a rookie and I've read something that said that The Bengals are notoriously known for not playing rookie WRs. If he's not a producer by year 3 then he might be a bust but writting him off after 11 games is a bit harsh.

 

[Lansdowne]

Having watched all the Bengals games this year I can say he's not worth rostering. Not even in dynasty. He looks completely lost.

Really? How do you make that determination in his rookie season? What stood out to you that would eliminate this rookie from future dynasty consideration?

"I'm mad I drafted him where I did and hyped him to a bunch of people so he made me look/feel dumb and now I hate him" - lots and lots of dynasty people the past month or two

I still had him as the WR4 of this draft class despite drafting him nearly a dozen spots later. If talent wins out over being drafted to a bad team, I'll believe talent can win out over being an immature knucklehead. And if it doesn't, the cost of finding out was nearly insignificant compared to what I believe his ceiling could be based on measurables and college tape I watched. Easily hold him another season and a half to two on dynasty rosters that tend to be 25+ deep over some 28 year old perennial WR4/5 I debate playing once a year and most of the time decide not to in favor of the upside guy on my bench.

But to each their own.

I still believe him to be a top 5 WR of the 2024 draft class based strictly on talent. But talent alone doesn't get you on the field, doesn't get you targets. Attending meetings on time does. Not embarrassing your quarterback and coach after they went to bat for you does. Running the correct routes does. The talent was apparent in preseason but him being used in the 4th quarter against 3rd string defenses was a warning of how far he has to go.

I said that I gave up on him earlier in this thread, and as of now he's still sitting on waivers in my 12 team, 18 player, no taxi dynasty league. I've still got my eye on him and haven't ruled out picking him back up (for a fourth time). But there is absolutely a cost in rostering this guy in that there is an opportunity cost of dropping or not picking up a better player. Justyn Ross was my dart throw last year and I cut better players in order to keep him around and it cost me. So I wouldn't say he is someone not worth rostering in dynasty, but I wouldn't blame someone else for taking a shot on the many other upside flyers that could be available instead. A lot needs to go Burton's way for him to reach his potential.

 

[robb]

Is he a better Dynasty keeper than Iosivas??

 

[Lansdowne]

Is he a better Dynasty keeper than Iosivas??

Despite my criticisms, yes Burton is a better dynasty stash than Iosivas. Iosivas is an ancillary player in the offense (think Josh Reynolds) and I think the Bengals will bring in another WR next offseason. He'll have a role as a supporting player but his ceiling is limited. Burton has more upside even if he can't get out of his own way currently.

 

[JohnnyU]

Is he a better Dynasty keeper than Iosivas??

Despite my criticisms, yes Burton is a better dynasty stash than Iosivas. Iosivas is an ancillary player in the offense (think Josh Reynolds) and I think the Bengals will bring in another WR next offseason. He'll have a role as a supporting player but his ceiling is limited. Burton has more upside even if he can't get out of his own way currently.

I was going to respond but couldn’t have answered it better than you did.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Is he a better Dynasty keeper than Iosivas??

Despite my criticisms, yes Burton is a better dynasty stash than Iosivas. Iosivas is an ancillary player in the offense (think Josh Reynolds) and I think the Bengals will bring in another WR next offseason. He'll have a role as a supporting player but his ceiling is limited. Burton has more upside even if he can't get out of his own way currently.

I was going to respond but couldn’t have answered it better than you did.

Do I think he became "cut-table" when he blew his chance? Absolutely. However, I'm sticking with the original plan to see what it looks like in 2025. A lot of that has to do with a lack of good alternatives. Every attempt to stash a guy who might blow up has been a whiff all season.

Alec Pierce - Yeah, he's shown he's capable of splashing here or there. But in what world is this ever going to be an asset in a lineup league? Three guys that the Colts clearly value more than him.

Boutte - Great snap count, like Pierce. Nice young QB. Seems to be locked in on 6 targets per game. Will take that. Production has been paltry. Wanted to believe. Him becoming the top guy of his class after all was a nice little fantasy that isn't going to happen.

Whittington - I still kind of like him, but he's a 6th rounder that's more of a long shot to mattering.

Tre Tucker - Fail.

Stashing backup rbs and waiting for injury? I still kind of believe in this strategy, but it has been a complete and utter failure this season. Somebody turned down the Madden injury bar for 2024.


All things considered, he's as good of a stash as anybody else that isn't contributing. Am I disappointed in his rookie season, and specifically, not taking advantage of the Higgins injury? Absolutely. Would the Bengals be nuts not to bring in a free agent that can replace Higgins in the starting lineup if/when he leaves? Yes, which is a big part of the disappointment for me. Maybe he'll redeem himself to the point that it's not an insurmountable obstacle on the 2025 depth chart.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

He will never amount to anything. You can't fix stupid.

 

[knollywood]

Having watched all the Bengals games this year I can say he's not worth rostering. Not even in dynasty. He looks completely lost.

Really? How do you make that determination in his rookie season? What stood out to you that would eliminate this rookie from future dynasty consideration?

He's got personal issues left n right. And like I said, he just looks bad running routes, his effort is lackluster. I'd love it if he came around.

But hey, I've been wrong before.

 

[pinkstapler]

Having watched all the Bengals games this year I can say he's not worth rostering. Not even in dynasty. He looks completely lost.

Really? How do you make that determination in his rookie season? What stood out to you that would eliminate this rookie from future dynasty consideration?

"I'm mad I drafted him where I did and hyped him to a bunch of people so he made me look/feel dumb and now I hate him" - lots and lots of dynasty people the past month or two

I still had him as the WR4 of this draft class despite drafting him nearly a dozen spots later. If talent wins out over being drafted to a bad team, I'll believe talent can win out over being an immature knucklehead. And if it doesn't, the cost of finding out was nearly insignificant compared to what I believe his ceiling could be based on measurables and college tape I watched. Easily hold him another season and a half to two on dynasty rosters that tend to be 25+ deep over some 28 year old perennial WR4/5 I debate playing once a year and most of the time decide not to in favor of the upside guy on my bench.

But to each their own.

I still believe him to be a top 5 WR of the 2024 draft class based strictly on talent. But talent alone doesn't get you on the field, doesn't get you targets. Attending meetings on time does. Not embarrassing your quarterback and coach after they went to bat for you does. Running the correct routes does. The talent was apparent in preseason but him being used in the 4th quarter against 3rd string defenses was a warning of how far he has to go.

I said that I gave up on him earlier in this thread, and as of now he's still sitting on waivers in my 12 team, 18 player, no taxi dynasty league. I've still got my eye on him and haven't ruled out picking him back up (for a fourth time). But there is absolutely a cost in rostering this guy in that there is an opportunity cost of dropping or not picking up a better player. Justyn Ross was my dart throw last year and I cut better players in order to keep him around and it cost me. So I wouldn't say he is someone not worth rostering in dynasty, but I wouldn't blame someone else for taking a shot on the many other upside flyers that could be available instead. A lot needs to go Burton's way for him to reach his potential.

18 player rosters for dynasty is wild to me. That's the size of most of my redraft rosters. So yeah I can see not carrying him in a dynasty league with such limited roster size. But most normal dynasty rosters, I'd very much disagree. I bet I could look at peoples 25+ man rosters universally and find at least 60-70% of them holding onto players with much lower upsides and/or who don't contribute in the slightest to there week by week game plan than this kid. But I don't pay to run their teams, they do. And I'm not deluded enough to insist I'm right on this particular kid. I am very confident to say statistics and trends favor him over a lot of other roster trash people are still desperately clinging to because of sunk cost fallacy and ownership bias when those same statistics say they have a near nil chance of meaningfully hitting at this point. It's a numbers game, in addition to assessing whole situations (like the fact it's almost a sure thing Tee is gone after this year, and being attached to a young QB who's arguably having the MVP season to this point despite their terrible record).

I also just have a hard time reconciling the year + of people excusing absolutely wild behavior from a player like Jameson Williams who had the same if not worse character concerns, padded with two suspensions now, a concealed weapon should-have-been charge, and all the other noise like being in Vegas at a UFC fight flashing money on social media the day after receiving his gambling suspension, etc. etc. etc. And then we got this kid that skipped a meeting and people say he's not even worth rostering and will never make it in the league. There is either gross hypocrisy and/or alternative motives behind some of the reactions on this kid compared to all the other chuckle head rookies we've seen over the years. Least it seems that way to me.

But I won't try to argue with these people because from what I hear "You can't fix stupid." Even a broken clock....

 

[TEOM]

I'm not sure that I would characterize it as bad route running (although it may just be semantics) but more so that he finishes like a NCAA player, a little loose with feet and without slowing/settling into a completion. His separation has looked pretty good but the maturing opportunity as a finisher is there if he decides he wants to grow into it.

 

[cheese]

Having watched all the Bengals games this year I can say he's not worth rostering. Not even in dynasty. He looks completely lost.

Really? How do you make that determination in his rookie season? What stood out to you that would eliminate this rookie from future dynasty consideration?

I wouldn't go that far either, but he's really struggling in every possible way. The character issues are one thing, but I thought he would be a lot better on the field as well. He has Joe Burrow throwing him the ball with Chase taking all the attention, and it's missed opportunity after missed opportunity.

 

[Terpman22]

He will never amount to anything. You can't fix stupid.

While I agree with the sentiment, people DO mature. Not everyone, at the same rate and all, but I feel in time, he will be just fine.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Having watched all the Bengals games this year I can say he's not worth rostering. Not even in dynasty. He looks completely lost.

Really? How do you make that determination in his rookie season? What stood out to you that would eliminate this rookie from future dynasty consideration?

I wouldn't go that far either, but he's really struggling in every possible way. The character issues are one thing, but I thought he would be a lot better on the field as well. He has Joe Burrow throwing him the ball with Chase taking all the attention, and it's missed opportunity after missed opportunity.

Yeah, 4 catches on 14 targets. Small sample size, but not good. No idea what the advanced stats look like.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

He will never amount to anything. You can't fix stupid.

While I agree with the sentiment, people DO mature. Not everyone, at the same rate and all, but I feel in time, he will be just fine.

It feels like it's more than a maturity issue to me. Something seems broken in his brain. It took him all of half a year to burn a lot of bridges with his new team and some of the off field stuff is just a bad look. He's 23. He's heard the criticisms for years and done nothing to calm nerves. Getting photographed gambling after your huge F-up? Seems like an addiction to me. Striking a woman? Yeah, I have zero tolerance for that.

It takes hitting rock bottom and going broke to open the eyes of someone this dumb. But if their performance isn't elite the NFL won't give them a second thought. College football is churning out high quality receivers at a rate we've never seen before. Burton is easily replaceable. He's getting opportunities and he's falling flat on his face.

Maybe I'm wrong about him, but I doubt it. The NFL has zero patience for guys like this that don't perform on the field.

I stand by my statement, you can't fix stupid and Burton seems to have stupidity in spades...

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

7.6 yards per target on those 14 targets, so I wouldn't use his limited action as evidence that he doesn't have the talent to be a starter. If he's running the wrong routes and clanking balls off his hands, then by all means, let me know. Without being able to watch most Bengals games, my assumption is that they're using him as a field stretcher when he's actually getting in. And yeah, if he doesn't get a shot at a more diverse route tree by the end of the season, that won't be a great sign. Otherwise, I'm assuming a lot of his usage that we're seeing right now probably still has something to do with being in the doghouse from missing practice. Understandably so. I'm a little surprised he has even been getting into games after that.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

I watched last week and a couple of the missed catches were difficult vertical routes where he was covered. His technique at the catch point on both of those (if I am recalling correctly which by now is questionable) was a little lacking but it was hard to pin down why. The throws (IIRC) were accurate enough. Later in the game he did have a very bad drop.

It did seem clear that Burrow is trying with him.

His pathway to stardom includes some very hard work. It's not clear he's ready for that but sometimes people wake up.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

7.6 yards per target on those 14 targets, so I wouldn't use his limited action as evidence that he doesn't have the talent to be a starter. If he's running the wrong routes and clanking balls off his hands, then by all means, let me know. Without being able to watch most Bengals games, my assumption is that they're using him as a field stretcher when he's actually getting in. And yeah, if he doesn't get a shot at a more diverse route tree by the end of the season, that won't be a great sign. Otherwise, I'm assuming a lot of his usage that we're seeing right now probably still has something to do with being in the doghouse from missing practice. Understandably so. I'm a little surprised he has even been getting into games after that.

I don't think anyone has ever questioned Burton's talent. He's not being used as a field stretcher either. He's gotten a lot of opportunities on multiple different routes. Several redzone throws even. He sucks, but not because of his God given talent.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I watched last week and a couple of the missed catches were difficult vertical routes where he was covered. His technique at the catch point on both of those (if I am recalling correctly which by now is questionable) was a little lacking but it was hard to pin down why. The throws (IIRC) were accurate enough. Later in the game he did have a very bad drop.

It did seem clear that Burrow is trying with him.

His pathway to stardom includes some very hard work. It's not clear he's ready for that but sometimes people wake up.

Burrow's patience will quickly run out if these throws continue to be wasted. Burton has talent, but he appears to be lazy and lethargic out there.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

7.6 yards per target on those 14 targets, so I wouldn't use his limited action as evidence that he doesn't have the talent to be a starter. If he's running the wrong routes and clanking balls off his hands, then by all means, let me know. Without being able to watch most Bengals games, my assumption is that they're using him as a field stretcher when he's actually getting in. And yeah, if he doesn't get a shot at a more diverse route tree by the end of the season, that won't be a great sign. Otherwise, I'm assuming a lot of his usage that we're seeing right now probably still has something to do with being in the doghouse from missing practice. Understandably so. I'm a little surprised he has even been getting into games after that.

I don't think anyone has ever questioned Burton's talent. He's not being used as a field stretcher either. He's gotten a lot of opportunities on multiple different routes. Several redzone throws even. He sucks, but not because of his God given talent.

I roster enough players that suck in the more traditional way, so I'll take the diversity for now.

Probably willing to move off when the Bengals lock into a WR2 in the offseason for multiple years.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Upside is Alvin Harper production and no more than that. And that is only if he can more serious and learn to run the right routes

-QG

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

7.6 yards per target on those 14 targets, so I wouldn't use his limited action as evidence that he doesn't have the talent to be a starter. If he's running the wrong routes and clanking balls off his hands, then by all means, let me know. Without being able to watch most Bengals games, my assumption is that they're using him as a field stretcher when he's actually getting in. And yeah, if he doesn't get a shot at a more diverse route tree by the end of the season, that won't be a great sign. Otherwise, I'm assuming a lot of his usage that we're seeing right now probably still has something to do with being in the doghouse from missing practice. Understandably so. I'm a little surprised he has even been getting into games after that.

I don't think anyone has ever questioned Burton's talent. He's not being used as a field stretcher either. He's gotten a lot of opportunities on multiple different routes. Several redzone throws even. He sucks, but not because of his God given talent.

I roster enough players that suck in the more traditional way, so I'll take the diversity for now.

Probably willing to move off when the Bengals lock into a WR2 in the offseason for multiple years.

Don't blame you but teams only put up with crazy if crazy produces first downs and touchdowns. Burton has looked terrible on and off the field. His production might force them to pay Tee. Cincinnati's off-season got a lot more interesting.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

The Bengals are sitting at 4-7. They didn't draft a guy with questionable character in the 3rd round if they didn't think he was capable of ascending to a starting WR position behind Chase. Has he given them plenty of reason to question that gamble or even cut their losses in the offseason? Sure. However, I doubt we're at a point where they've already written him off. Even if they're leaning that way, I think they will give him a pretty good look to close the season before burying him on the depth chart for 2025. He might even get a shot at that feature role that was planned for him against the Raiders. Surely, Tee Higgins will accommodate with an injury before the season is done.

If you needed the spot, I think rage dropping him on the missed practice was warranted. I think there's a pretty fair chance I'll be throwing in the towel when we see what they do in the offseason. However, drafting a project and holding him through the inactive only to drop him now, ahead of the closing weeks of a 4-7 team that's probably going to want to see what they're working with for next year, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

The Bengals are sitting at 4-7. They didn't draft a guy with questionable character in the 3rd round if they didn't think he was capable of ascending to a starting WR position behind Chase. Has he given them plenty of reason to question that gamble or even cut their losses in the offseason? Sure. However, I doubt we're at a point where they've already written him off. Even if they're leaning that way, I think they will give him a pretty good look to close the season before burying him on the depth chart for 2025. He might even get a shot at that feature role that was planned for him against the Raiders. Surely, Tee Higgins will accommodate with an injury before the season is done.

If you needed the spot, I think rage dropping him on the missed practice was warranted. I think there's a pretty fair chance I'll be throwing in the towel when we see what they do in the offseason. However, drafting a project and holding him through the inactive only to drop him now, ahead of the closing weeks of a 4-7 team that's probably going to want to see what they're working with for next year, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Evaluations are essentially opinions for the most part. It's possible they drafted him thinking his character issues were overblown. It's also possible they were wrong.

I'm not sure you could find anyone that thought this guy had potential, but in most cases guys fall in the draft for good reason. Beyond his character concerns. there were enough instances of in game lapses of concentration, lazy routes and overall lackadaisical play that popped up enough that any good talent evaluator took note.

You're pretty much taking a homerun cut on every draft pick, rounds 1-7. It's just sometimes you're swinging at a sinker in the dirt.

But just so we're clear, I hope Burton turns his life around and proves me and all the other doubters wrong. I love a good story like that, but they're rare for a reason.

 

[Lansdowne]

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Derrik Klassen
Joe Burrow throws this ball like he expects Jermaine Burton to keep expanding and hauling *** down the field. Instead Burton slows up to track the ball and drifts back inside. Perfect ball; WR error

 

[Alex P Keaton]

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Derrik Klassen
Joe Burrow throws this ball like he expects Jermaine Burton to keep expanding and hauling *** down the field. Instead Burton slows up to track the ball and drifts back inside. Perfect ball; WR error

Seems like a normal rookie mistake

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

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Derrik Klassen
Joe Burrow throws this ball like he expects Jermaine Burton to keep expanding and hauling *** down the field. Instead Burton slows up to track the ball and drifts back inside. Perfect ball; WR error

Seems like a normal rookie mistake

The ones that don't put in the work...

 

[JohnnyU]

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Derrik Klassen
Joe Burrow throws this ball like he expects Jermaine Burton to keep expanding and hauling *** down the field. Instead Burton slows up to track the ball and drifts back inside. Perfect ball; WR error

Seems like a normal rookie mistake

Veterans make the same mistake.

 

[cheese]

7.6 yards per target on those 14 targets, so I wouldn't use his limited action as evidence that he doesn't have the talent to be a starter. If he's running the wrong routes and clanking balls off his hands, then by all means, let me know. Without being able to watch most Bengals games, my assumption is that they're using him as a field stretcher when he's actually getting in. And yeah, if he doesn't get a shot at a more diverse route tree by the end of the season, that won't be a great sign. Otherwise, I'm assuming a lot of his usage that we're seeing right now probably still has something to do with being in the doghouse from missing practice. Understandably so. I'm a little surprised he has even been getting into games after that.

I don't think anyone has ever questioned Burton's talent. He's not being used as a field stretcher either. He's gotten a lot of opportunities on multiple different routes. Several redzone throws even. He sucks, but not because of his God given talent.

I roster enough players that suck in the more traditional way, so I'll take the diversity for now.

Probably willing to move off when the Bengals lock into a WR2 in the offseason for multiple years.

Don't blame you but teams only put up with crazy if crazy produces first downs and touchdowns. Burton has looked terrible on and off the field. His production might force them to pay Tee. Cincinnati's off-season got a lot more interesting.

I honestly thing they just go R1 WR again. They highly value the position and just can't/won't commit the money to Higgins when they want to pay all the money to Burrow and Chase. Based on what we have seen this year, any in-house options are WR3/developmental guys at best. Yoshi and Burton failing has played a significant role in the season outcome to date. They won't make the same mistake twice.

 

[QuizGuy66]

I think the Bengals went with Burton in part bc he has Houshmandzadeh as a mentor working with him and figured that would help with the maturity issues. Worth the gamble at pick 80 in that context. I can see them giving a little more fun if the final blow comes to the season in the next couple of weeks. As it stands even if Tee is out he is not going to get clean run bc his route running ain't it. If anything I have been irked by them going him to key spots in recent games and him not coming up with the ball.

If they drop to 4-8 maybe they give him more run and let him run willy nilly and hopefully learn in live action. But regardless he is not the Higgins replacement even if he maxes out. I don't buy it.

-QG