WR Marvin Harrison Jr., ARZ (1 Viewer)

[efactor]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison.

I would in a heartbeat.

People are way overreacting to his rookie season. I like Ladd and all and just traded for him in an 8 team keeper but Harrison is on another level. Sometimes it takes a season or two, like with CeeDee Lamb. But take advantage of the situation and buy now if someone in your league is panicking.

 

[Ray_T]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison. I think Ladd will be a fantasy force the next 5 years. I’m not convinced Harrison will be, or not at McConkey’s level.

I think Harrison will be. hes just not in as good an offense (as a whole) I think its easier to key on Harrison in that offense the way it is setup right now. Thats an admittedly harder thing for a rookie to adjust to. but adjust he will. I'm still a bit worried about Kyler Murray but hes good enough. Im reasonably sure Harrison will be a 1000 yard WR next year. He has a real interesting skillset and for fantasy, has the ability to be a red zone beast. For fantasy I still think he has the higher ceiling. but in real life, the other two could put up better yardage. Harrison he needs a speedy WR on the other side that can draw coverage away from him to really hit his potential.

to add to this, his superpower is that he has a very large catch radius. this means that a QB does not need to be as accurate, and you can throw some balls at him that would normally be INT with other WR and he will find a way to catch it.

its more difficult to develop THAT kind of trust with a WR. so this may explain (to some degree) his slower start as well.

 

[Gally]

its more difficult to develop THAT kind of trust with a WR. so this may explain (to some degree) his slower start as well.

Part of the problem from this past year is that Kyler didn't throw much into those situations. I think a lot of the debate around MHJ, McConkey, Thomas s the situation they are in and how they were utilized. For me, the biggest knock on MHJ was that Kyler didn't really show trust in him to the point where he force fed him the ball. That may change but it may not so some of the negatives for MHJ are really out of his control. This year will be a big indicator and it will mostly on usage for me.

 

[Gally]

I mentioned he had been offered to me in 3 leagues and you replied that his owners are holding tight and here you mention a loss. Just want to point out that just because he's been offered to me in a few leagues, I would not phrase the offers as the teams looking to take a loss.

I was responding to two different comments but my comments do mesh together. I think owners that drafted him are holding tight because they don't want to take a loss. I think most people trying to acquire him are going to try and acquire him at some sort of discount (how much will vary).

In conjunction with my comments it makes perfect sense that a MHJ owner putting him into a trade offer is going to be trying to get full price (or more) because they don't want to take a loss so that falls right in line with what I have been saying.

 

[JohnnyU]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison.

I would in a heartbeat.

People are way overreacting to his rookie season. I like Ladd and all and just traded for him in an 8 team keeper but Harrison is on another level. Sometimes it takes a season or two, like with CeeDee Lamb. But take advantage of the situation and buy now if someone in your league is panicking.

Are you 100% sure Harrison will be more fantasy relevant than Ladd McConkey? I'm not.

 

[Gally]

I like Ladd and all and just traded for him in an 8 team keeper but Harrison is on another level.

In an 8 team league there are other strategies you have to consider that don't quite translate to larger leagues. In 8 team leagues you need studs to win. You need guys that with sky high ceilings because that is really the only way you win. Everyone has good to great players. You need elite players to separate.

So in an 8 team league I can understand that MHJ may be a more coveted asset if you believe he is elite for fantasy and I can see where you may have MHJ above McConkey for that reason............I am just not sure that his ceiling is much higher if at all.

 

[JohnnyU]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

IWould you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison. I think Ladd will be a fantasy force the next 5 years. I’m not convinced Harrison will be, or not at McConkey’s level.

I think Harrison will be. hes just not in as good an offense (as a whole) I think its easier to key on Harrison in that offense the way it is setup right now. Thats an admittedly harder thing for a rookie to adjust to. but adjust he will. I'm still a bit worried about Kyler Murray but hes good enough. Im reasonably sure Harrison will be a 1000 yard WR next year. He has a real interesting skillset and for fantasy, has the ability to be a red zone beast. For fantasy I still think he has the higher ceiling. but in real life, the other two could put up better yardage. Harrison he needs a speedy WR on the other side that can draw coverage away from him to really hit his potential.

Usually in dynasty I look at a three year window for what a player will provide for fantasy. In this case, for all three (MHjr, McConkey, and BTJr) I'm looking at a five year window. Both McConkey and BTJr have the edge right now, but that's not to say that won't change with Harrison overtaking both in fantasy stats. I wouldn't bet on it however, but some put more emphasis on perceived value over actual value. If that's the case, all who think this way will have Harrison over the other two, thinking it's just a one year learning curve or something. It goes deeper than that for those who are paying attention. Just my opinion.

 

[Ray_T]

its more difficult to develop THAT kind of trust with a WR. so this may explain (to some degree) his slower start as well.

Part of the problem from this past year is that Kyler didn't throw much into those situations. I think a lot of the debate around MHJ, McConkey, Thomas s the situation they are in and how they were utilized. For me, the biggest knock on MHJ was that Kyler didn't really show trust in him to the point where he force fed him the ball. That may change but it may not so some of the negatives for MHJ are really out of his control. This year will be a big indicator and it will mostly on usage for me.

I guess you just made my point. the production of a WR is partially based on the QB. if he has a QB that (for whatever reason) is not fully able to utilize the skillset of the WR then the WR will underperform.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Right now, I just think MHJ doesn't control his own destiny and is fighting 1) Kyler Murray and his ability to truly leverage hm and 2) Drew Petzig who operated as if he wished ARI drafted Joe Alt instead.

Could that be because behind closed doors Gannon/Petzig understood MHJ wasn't ready to be a true WR1? Perhaps, but it's been rehashed ad nauseum that MHJ's route tree and how he was used was extremely...how should I say...hmmmm. Dumb.

We'll see...I also thought MHJ was caught off guard a bit with regard to the physicality of the NFL game and the way to build a funnel of targets coming your way is to come down with a high percentage of contested catches. This was an area he showed very little in. But the talent is there - the light and the dog can come on in Year 2 as things slow down and he gains more confidence.

With regard to McConkey though...Herbert >> Murray and the chemistry between the two I thought progressed a ton. His last 8 games saw him go 47/709/3. McConkey's drawback IMO was his size/injury history or else he'd have been a 1st rounder.

At this juncture, I'd go Ladd

 

[-OZ-]

Are you 100% sure Harrison will be more fantasy relevant than Ladd McConkey? I'm not.

Nope. But I think MHjr has a better chance of being a top 5 WR. Ladd has a better chance of being a top 24

 

[Ray_T]

its more difficult to develop THAT kind of trust with a WR. so this may explain (to some degree) his slower start as well.

Part of the problem from this past year is that Kyler didn't throw much into those situations. I think a lot of the debate around MHJ, McConkey, Thomas s the situation they are in and how they were utilized. For me, the biggest knock on MHJ was that Kyler didn't really show trust in him to the point where he force fed him the ball. That may change but it may not so some of the negatives for MHJ are really out of his control. This year will be a big indicator and it will mostly on usage for me.

I guess you just made my point. the production of a WR is partially based on the QB. if he has a QB that (for whatever reason) is not fully able to utilize the skillset of the WR then the WR will underperform.

to make this more clear, I am saying that Harrisons upside is somewhat limited by the personell around him. it is also possible that Harrison may be the better WR but wont outperform the other two due to the high quality QB they have. It is possible for Kyler to step up his game. thats sort of the x factor in this situation.

 

[efactor]

I like Ladd and all and just traded for him in an 8 team keeper but Harrison is on another level.

In an 8 team league there are other strategies you have to consider that don't quite translate to larger leagues. In 8 team leagues you need studs to win. You need guys that with sky high ceilings because that is really the only way you win. Everyone has good to great players. You need elite players to separate.

So in an 8 team league I can understand that MHJ may be a more coveted asset if you believe he is elite for fantasy and I can see where you may have MHJ above McConkey for that reason............I am just not sure that his ceiling is much higher if at all.

I meant 8 keeper league. It’s 12 teams.

Sorry about that.

 

[efactor]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison.

I would in a heartbeat.

People are way overreacting to his rookie season. I like Ladd and all and just traded for him in an 8 team keeper but Harrison is on another level. Sometimes it takes a season or two, like with CeeDee Lamb. But take advantage of the situation and buy now if someone in your league is panicking.

Are you 100% sure Harrison will be more fantasy relevant than Ladd McConkey?

Yes

 

[BassNBrew]

Steve Smith and Moose Muhammad all had top WR FF finishes under Jake Delhomme.

 

[JohnnyU]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison.

I would in a heartbeat.

People are way overreacting to his rookie season. I like Ladd and all and just traded for him in an 8 team keeper but Harrison is on another level. Sometimes it takes a season or two, like with CeeDee Lamb. But take advantage of the situation and buy now if someone in your league is panicking.

Are you 100% sure Harrison will be more fantasy relevant than Ladd McConkey?

Yes

Would you pay 3 to 1 odds?

 

[efactor]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison.

I would in a heartbeat.

People are way overreacting to his rookie season. I like Ladd and all and just traded for him in an 8 team keeper but Harrison is on another level. Sometimes it takes a season or two, like with CeeDee Lamb. But take advantage of the situation and buy now if someone in your league is panicking.

Are you 100% sure Harrison will be more fantasy relevant than Ladd McConkey?

Yes

Would you pay 3 to 1 odds?

Yes

 

[JohnnyU]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison.

I would in a heartbeat.

People are way overreacting to his rookie season. I like Ladd and all and just traded for him in an 8 team keeper but Harrison is on another level. Sometimes it takes a season or two, like with CeeDee Lamb. But take advantage of the situation and buy now if someone in your league is panicking.

Are you 100% sure Harrison will be more fantasy relevant than Ladd McConkey?

Yes

Would you pay 3 to 1 odds?

Yes

Easy to say until confronted with a bet. We’re in the same league, so I know where to find you. Want to dance? What do you want to bet for who scores more fantasy points in 2025 in BAC2 league between Harrison (you) and McConkey (me), you giving me 3 to 1 odds? If either player misses more than 4 games to injury the bet is off.

 

[efactor]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison.

I would in a heartbeat.

People are way overreacting to his rookie season. I like Ladd and all and just traded for him in an 8 team keeper but Harrison is on another level. Sometimes it takes a season or two, like with CeeDee Lamb. But take advantage of the situation and buy now if someone in your league is panicking.

Are you 100% sure Harrison will be more fantasy relevant than Ladd McConkey?

Yes

Would you pay 3 to 1 odds?

Yes

Easy to say until confronted with a bet. We’re in the same league, so I know where to find you. Want to dance? What do you want to bet for who scores more fantasy points in 2025 in BAC2 league between Harrison (you) and McConkey (me), you giving me 3 to 1 odds? If either player misses more than 4 games to injury the bet is off.

While I have had issues collecting on line bets in the past, I’ll make an exception for you since you have so many winning ways.

Just pm me the details on what you feel comfortable betting. Don’t make me send Guido for you when you lose

 

[JohnnyU]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison.

I would in a heartbeat.

People are way overreacting to his rookie season. I like Ladd and all and just traded for him in an 8 team keeper but Harrison is on another level. Sometimes it takes a season or two, like with CeeDee Lamb. But take advantage of the situation and buy now if someone in your league is panicking.

Are you 100% sure Harrison will be more fantasy relevant than Ladd McConkey?

Yes

Would you pay 3 to 1 odds?

Yes

Easy to say until confronted with a bet. We’re in the same league, so I know where to find you. Want to dance? What do you want to bet for who scores more fantasy points in 2025 in BAC2 league between Harrison (you) and McConkey (me), you giving me 3 to 1 odds? If either player misses more than 4 games to injury the bet is off.

While I have had issues collecting on line bets in the past, I’ll make an exception for you since you have so many winning ways.

Just pm me the details on what you feel comfortable betting. Don’t make me send Guido for you when you lose

sent, I love the action.

 

[efactor]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison.

I would in a heartbeat.

People are way overreacting to his rookie season. I like Ladd and all and just traded for him in an 8 team keeper but Harrison is on another level. Sometimes it takes a season or two, like with CeeDee Lamb. But take advantage of the situation and buy now if someone in your league is panicking.

Are you 100% sure Harrison will be more fantasy relevant than Ladd McConkey?

Yes

Would you pay 3 to 1 odds?

Yes

Easy to say until confronted with a bet. We’re in the same league, so I know where to find you. Want to dance? What do you want to bet for who scores more fantasy points in 2025 in BAC2 league between Harrison (you) and McConkey (me), you giving me 3 to 1 odds? If either player misses more than 4 games to injury the bet is off.

While I have had issues collecting on line bets in the past, I’ll make an exception for you since you have so many winning ways.

Just pm me the details on what you feel comfortable betting. Don’t make me send Guido for you when you lose

sent

Accepted

 

[JohnnyU]

I like when people put their money where their mouth is and @efactor has done just that. Cool beans.

 

[-OZ-]

I like when people put their money where their mouth is and @efactor has done just that. Cool beans.

 

[Ray_T]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison.

I would in a heartbeat.

People are way overreacting to his rookie season. I like Ladd and all and just traded for him in an 8 team keeper but Harrison is on another level. Sometimes it takes a season or two, like with CeeDee Lamb. But take advantage of the situation and buy now if someone in your league is panicking.

Are you 100% sure Harrison will be more fantasy relevant than Ladd McConkey?

Yes

Would you pay 3 to 1 odds?

Yes

Easy to say until confronted with a bet. We’re in the same league, so I know where to find you. Want to dance? What do you want to bet for who scores more fantasy points in 2025 in BAC2 league between Harrison (you) and McConkey (me), you giving me 3 to 1 odds? If either player misses more than 4 games to injury the bet is off.

While I have had issues collecting on line bets in the past, I’ll make an exception for you since you have so many winning ways.

Just pm me the details on what you feel comfortable betting. Don’t make me send Guido for you when you lose

I just wanna know who Guido is. is he the hired fantasy football bet collector?

 

[efactor]

I like when people put their money where their mouth is and @efactor has done just that. Cool beans.

I just wired my 15 million to escrow

 

[Gally]

Are you 100% sure Harrison will be more fantasy relevant than Ladd McConkey? I'm not.

Yes

Would you pay 3 to 1 odds?

Accepted

What does "more fantasy relevant" really mean? They could be WR22 and WR24 which means they are essentially the same relevancy. I don't think straight FF points is necessarily the metric for this. to me "more relevant" means a tier jump of some sort. A significant difference in points scored.

So for a 12 team league it should be at least 12 spots between finishes. Just a thought to ponder. The bet is all on your guys to work. I am just giving an outsider perspective based on the words used.

 

[efactor]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison.

I would in a heartbeat.

People are way overreacting to his rookie season. I like Ladd and all and just traded for him in an 8 team keeper but Harrison is on another level. Sometimes it takes a season or two, like with CeeDee Lamb. But take advantage of the situation and buy now if someone in your league is panicking.

Are you 100% sure Harrison will be more fantasy relevant than Ladd McConkey?

Yes

Would you pay 3 to 1 odds?

Yes

Easy to say until confronted with a bet. We’re in the same league, so I know where to find you. Want to dance? What do you want to bet for who scores more fantasy points in 2025 in BAC2 league between Harrison (you) and McConkey (me), you giving me 3 to 1 odds? If either player misses more than 4 games to injury the bet is off.

While I have had issues collecting on line bets in the past, I’ll make an exception for you since you have so many winning ways.

Just pm me the details on what you feel comfortable betting. Don’t make me send Guido for you when you lose

I just wanna know who Guido is. is he the hired fantasy football bet collector?

Bingo

 

[JohnnyU]

Are you 100% sure Harrison will be more fantasy relevant than Ladd McConkey? I'm not.

Yes

Would you pay 3 to 1 odds?

Accepted

What does "more fantasy relevant" really mean? They could be WR22 and WR24 which means they are essentially the same relevancy. I don't think straight FF points is necessarily the metric for this. to me "more relevant" means a tier jump of some sort. A significant difference in points scored.

So for a 12 team league it should be at least 12 spots between finishes. Just a thought to ponder. The bet is all on your guys to work. I am just giving an outsider perspective based on the words used.

The bet is most fantasy points in our league, me getting 3 to 1 odds, bets off if either player misses more than 4 games to injury. No reason to make it more complicated.

 

[JohnnyU]

Now watch one them pull a Justin Tucker and gets suspended. That wouldn’t nullify the bet.

 

[Gally]

Now watch one them pull a Justin Tucker and gets suspended. That wouldn’t nullify the bet.

They would miss more than 4 games. Wouldn't that nullify the bet........or it has to be injury? I would think missing games regardless of reason would be grounds for nullification

 

[JohnnyU]

Now watch one them pull a Justin Tucker and gets suspended. That wouldn’t nullify the bet.

They would miss more than 4 games. Wouldn't that nullify the bet........or it has to be injury? I would think missing games regardless of reason would be grounds for nullification

I’ll leave that up to @efactor because I don’t see either player as a character risk. I don’t care either way.

 

[JohnnyU]

Now watch one them pull a Justin Tucker and gets suspended. That wouldn’t nullify the bet.

They would miss more than 4 games. Wouldn't that nullify the bet........or it has to be injury? I would think missing games regardless of reason would be grounds for nullification

I’ll leave that up to @efactor because I don’t see either player as a character risk. I don’t care either way.

I suppose one could miss games for personal reasons. What say you @efactor ? Should we change it to miss more than 4 games for any reason?

 

[efactor]

Now watch one them pull a Justin Tucker and gets suspended. That wouldn’t nullify the bet.

They would miss more than 4 games. Wouldn't that nullify the bet........or it has to be injury? I would think missing games regardless of reason would be grounds for nullification

I’ll leave that up to @efactor because I don’t see either player as a character risk. I don’t care either way.

I suppose one could miss games for personal reasons. What say you @efactor ?

I’m fine as is. No need to overcomplicate it.

 

[JohnnyU]

Now watch one them pull a Justin Tucker and gets suspended. That wouldn’t nullify the bet.

They would miss more than 4 games. Wouldn't that nullify the bet........or it has to be injury? I would think missing games regardless of reason would be grounds for nullification

I’ll leave that up to @efactor because I don’t see either player as a character risk. I don’t care either way.

I suppose one could miss games for personal reasons. What say you @efactor ?

I’m fine as is. No need to overcomplicate it.

Ok. So if games are missed for personal reasons, or other reasons other than injury, we chalk it up to bad luck. Only missed games for injuries count.

 

[eighsse2]

Has either of you stated an amount? I don't think odds alone is sufficient to handshake a bet! Lol.

ETA: Oh I see now something about PM'ing details, nevermind!

 

[JohnnyU]

Has either of you stated an amount? I don't think odds alone is sufficient to handshake a bet! Lol.

ETA: Oh I see now something about PM'ing details, nevermind!

One Milllllllon Dolllllllars!!!
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[pinkstapler]

In the middle of September this past season MHJ was WR3 in startups and had a value of ~9500 out of a 10k total barometer on KTC. Right now he is WR10 and ~7200/10k value. I think occams razor here is telling us those who are holding him are valuing at or close to where he was in September of last year. Those who are trying to buy are making offers at or close to current market value. That's very likely accounting for what most of the people here in this thread are talking about. And not to say that owners are "wrong" to value him where he was last September; just that no one should deny market consensus value and/or be shocked at poor offers/lack of willingness of owners to trade.

On a similar wavelength, I personally think people who are still valuing him over (or frankly even on par with) players like Ladd and BTJ are biased/showing bad process. Biased is self explanatory, especially if an owner. And bad process is not taking into account new information in the overall equation. Last year happened. Last year lowered MHJ (we can debate to what extent), and last year significantly raised BTJ and Ladd. Every individual can make an excuse for any player in the league every single year. IMO all these excuses do, even when valid, is muddy the water. Following metrics and year over year trends, and projecting forward on these guys, the only thing black and white is the data. I don't think that should be the ONLY thing fantasy owners should be making decisions on, but I do think it's the most important. And I think we have a wealth of knowledge showing us it's the most accurate predictor of future outcomes percentage wise.

An even bet on Ladd vs MHJ production for next season seems like a fair bet. A bet with 3:1 odds seems wild based on the data lol. Hindsight bias could prove the bet correct, but will never prove the process correct.

 

[efactor]

An even bet on Ladd vs MHJ production for next season seems like a fair bet. A bet with 3:1 odds seems wild based on the data lol. Hindsight bias could prove the bet correct, but will never prove the process correct.

I guess the fact I don’t care is somewhat relevant.

Winning a bet from Hightops is worth the risk of losing 3 times the amount just for bragging rights. Plus, I think I’ll win with room to spare. If not, oh well.

 

[JohnnyU]

An even bet on Ladd vs MHJ production for next season seems like a fair bet. A bet with 3:1 odds seems wild based on the data lol. Hindsight bias could prove the bet correct, but will never prove the process correct.

I guess the fact I don’t care is somewhat relevant.

Winning a bet from Hightops is worth the risk of losing 3 times the amount just for bragging rights. Plus, I think I’ll win with room to spare. If not, oh well.

It's fun action this time of year. Plus, it's not huge money. It's fun money.

 

[efactor]

An even bet on Ladd vs MHJ production for next season seems like a fair bet. A bet with 3:1 odds seems wild based on the data lol. Hindsight bias could prove the bet correct, but will never prove the process correct.

I guess the fact I don’t care is somewhat relevant.

Winning a bet from Hightops is worth the risk of losing 3 times the amount just for bragging rights. Plus, I think I’ll win with room to spare. If not, oh well.

Plus, it's not huge money. It's fun money.

Yep. A decent bottle of tequila money

 

[Ray_T]

An even bet on Ladd vs MHJ production for next season seems like a fair bet. A bet with 3:1 odds seems wild based on the data lol. Hindsight bias could prove the bet correct, but will never prove the process correct.

I guess the fact I don’t care is somewhat relevant.

Winning a bet from Hightops is worth the risk of losing 3 times the amount just for bragging rights. Plus, I think I’ll win with room to spare. If not, oh well.

Plus, it's not huge money. It's fun money.

Yep. A decent bottle of tequila money

Tequila money! count me In! I want me some Tequila! (kidding .... mostly)

 

[efactor]

An even bet on Ladd vs MHJ production for next season seems like a fair bet. A bet with 3:1 odds seems wild based on the data lol. Hindsight bias could prove the bet correct, but will never prove the process correct.

I guess the fact I don’t care is somewhat relevant.

Winning a bet from Hightops is worth the risk of losing 3 times the amount just for bragging rights. Plus, I think I’ll win with room to spare. If not, oh well.

Plus, it's not huge money. It's fun money.

Yep. A decent bottle of tequila money

Tequila money! count me In! I want me some Tequila! (kidding .... mostly)

You should never kid about tequila

 

[kface]

I just think Murray does and will continue to drag him down.

 

[Ray_T]

I just think Murray does and will continue to drag him down.

well, he did perform better early in his career. but he also had a different coach. so I'm not sure how much of this is Murray or the current scheme/coaching.

the one thing I agree with is Harrison Jr. is the most talented WR of the three. but with a lesser QB I dont know that he will outperform the other WR mentioned here. McConkey has Herbert and McLauren has Jayden Daniels.

but I do think if Murray develops a better trust with Harrison he will have a far better season.

but I expect Mcconkey and McLauren also will have better seasons. I think the gap narrows in year 2. at this point the difference between those guys is mostly a matter of preference..... mostly. though the skillsets are quite different.

 

[Biabreakable]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison.

I would in a heartbeat.

People are way overreacting to his rookie season. I like Ladd and all and just traded for him in an 8 team keeper but Harrison is on another level. Sometimes it takes a season or two, like with CeeDee Lamb. But take advantage of the situation and buy now if someone in your league is panicking.

Are you 100% sure Harrison will be more fantasy relevant than Ladd McConkey?

Yes

Would you pay 3 to 1 odds?

Yes

Easy to say until confronted with a bet. We’re in the same league, so I know where to find you. Want to dance? What do you want to bet for who scores more fantasy points in 2025 in BAC2 league between Harrison (you) and McConkey (me), you giving me 3 to 1 odds? If either player misses more than 4 games to injury the bet is off.

While I have had issues collecting on line bets in the past, I’ll make an exception for you since you have so many winning ways.

Just pm me the details on what you feel comfortable betting. Don’t make me send Guido for you when you lose

I just wanna know who Guido is. is he the hired fantasy football bet collector?

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[(HULK)]

Considering tiering down from Jefferson to Harrison, if I can pick up a couple early picks. Guy with Harrison has 1.02 and 1.03. I don't think I'll be able to get both picks with Harrison unless I give more back.

My team has several studs (Lamar, Chase, Jefferson, Saquon)... but my depth is pretty crud. I spent last season constantly wheeling and dealing to close gaps caused by injury. I think a move like that might be very good for my team in the long run, but I'm also right in the middle of my contention window, so I'm not 100% sure it's the correct move. Would love thoughts/feedback. Thanks.

 

[ffmail4me]

I think because Harrison hasn't broken out (although I'm very hopeful he will) you are in bounds for asking for both picks along with Harrison to move off of JJ.

 

[-OZ-]

Considering tiering down from Jefferson to Harrison, if I can pick up a couple early picks. Guy with Harrison has 1.02 and 1.03. I don't think I'll be able to get both picks with Harrison unless I give more back.

My team has several studs (Lamar, Chase, Jefferson, Saquon)... but my depth is pretty crud. I spent last season constantly wheeling and dealing to close gaps caused by injury. I think a move like that might be very good for my team in the long run, but I'm also right in the middle of my contention window, so I'm not 100% sure it's the correct move. Would love thoughts/feedback. Thanks.

Is the Harrison owner a contender? You might be able to get him and one of the firsts if you include something decent. As the MH owner in one league, I wouldn’t give a first with him but I’m rebuilding.

 

[(HULK)]

Considering tiering down from Jefferson to Harrison, if I can pick up a couple early picks. Guy with Harrison has 1.02 and 1.03. I don't think I'll be able to get both picks with Harrison unless I give more back.

My team has several studs (Lamar, Chase, Jefferson, Saquon)... but my depth is pretty crud. I spent last season constantly wheeling and dealing to close gaps caused by injury. I think a move like that might be very good for my team in the long run, but I'm also right in the middle of my contention window, so I'm not 100% sure it's the correct move. Would love thoughts/feedback. Thanks.

Is the Harrison owner a contender? You might be able to get him and one of the firsts if you include something decent. As the MH owner in one league, I wouldn’t give a first with him but I’m rebuilding.

He finished 10th place last season, but honestly he just needs some RBs to be a full on contender.

 

[pinkstapler]

Considering tiering down from Jefferson to Harrison, if I can pick up a couple early picks. Guy with Harrison has 1.02 and 1.03. I don't think I'll be able to get both picks with Harrison unless I give more back.

My team has several studs (Lamar, Chase, Jefferson, Saquon)... but my depth is pretty crud. I spent last season constantly wheeling and dealing to close gaps caused by injury. I think a move like that might be very good for my team in the long run, but I'm also right in the middle of my contention window, so I'm not 100% sure it's the correct move. Would love thoughts/feedback. Thanks.

Is the Harrison owner a contender? You might be able to get him and one of the firsts if you include something decent. As the MH owner in one league, I wouldn’t give a first with him but I’m rebuilding.

He finished 10th place last season, but honestly he just needs some RBs to be a full on contender.

KTC has JJ = to either MHJ and an early first, or two early firsts. Honestly I'd try to just get both early 1sts. Not sure how your RB depth is behind Saquon (and more importantly the age of those guys), but WR is more easily replaced than RB IMO. I'd rather walk away with 2 of the top 3 RBs of this class than a WR who's at the very least held back by his situation and that situation does not look like it's changing anytime soon. Or just keep JJ and keep contending. Moving JJ for MHJ+ feels like at the best tiering down in the short term rather than pushing to win during your window.

 

[-OZ-]

Considering tiering down from Jefferson to Harrison, if I can pick up a couple early picks. Guy with Harrison has 1.02 and 1.03. I don't think I'll be able to get both picks with Harrison unless I give more back.

My team has several studs (Lamar, Chase, Jefferson, Saquon)... but my depth is pretty crud. I spent last season constantly wheeling and dealing to close gaps caused by injury. I think a move like that might be very good for my team in the long run, but I'm also right in the middle of my contention window, so I'm not 100% sure it's the correct move. Would love thoughts/feedback. Thanks.

Is the Harrison owner a contender? You might be able to get him and one of the firsts if you include something decent. As the MH owner in one league, I wouldn’t give a first with him but I’m rebuilding.

He finished 10th place last season, but honestly he just needs some RBs to be a full on contender.

Do you have a RB to offer with JJ for Harrison and both firsts?