WR Marvin Harrison Jr., ARZ (2 Viewers)

[jm192]

would any Harrison owners trade him straight up for Nabers or vice versa?

I think they would break their fingers trying to click accept.

I can't imagine Nabers owners are willing to make that trade at this point.

I'm considering trying some shenanigans like offering Ceedee Lamb for Nabers+. I think Nabers is ELITE ELITE. I think MHJ could still be there in a year or 2. But I know Nabers is there.

I'm a Nabers owner... and I'm really worried about NYG's QB situation. if you tossed me Harrison and a 3rd I might pull that trigger

A few thoughts

He's currently the WR7 in 0.5 PPR despite missing 2 games.
He's the WR6 in PPR despite missing 2 games.

He's managed that in spite of the QB situation. I would think the QB situation can only get better. But he's been amazing in spite of it.

I think there's a world in which Marvin gets a lot closer to Elite WR than he is today. But Nabers is proven elite despite a terrible QB situation. You could argue him as Dynasty WR1. I'm not saying he's definitely that. But, he's an amazing/elite dynasty asset. Your premium should be more than a 3rd to go from Nabers to MHJ in my humble opinion.

 

[Hoh]

would any Harrison owners trade him straight up for Nabers or vice versa?

No but that’s only because 20 years ago I gave up on Larry Fitzgerald for Roy Williams.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Nabers QB situation literally couldn't have been worse this season. There isn't anything to worry about. This has been the basement.

 

[irish eyes]

would any Harrison owners trade him straight up for Nabers or vice versa?

I would take in a second. Kyler isn't going anywhere nor is the play caller. Probably more of the same garbage next year.

 

[efactor]

I traded up in dynasty to take Harrison last year and while certainly disappointed, not overly spun out. Still believe in the talent and hopefully Kyler and him get on the same page and the Cards dial up a better variety of routes for him. Watching how they get the ball in McBrides hands on screens and shorter passes gives me hope.

Nabors gets peppered with short targets and occasionally he takes those to the house like he did twice on Sunday. Cards should take note.

Nabors has 52 more targets and missed 3 games. Granted Harrison was hurt early in one game, but that still crazy.

 

[JoeJoe88]

would any Harrison owners trade him straight up for Nabers or vice versa?

Not a Harrison or Nabers owner but if I had Harrison and someone offered me Nabers I wouldn’t be able to accept fast enough. In fact, I’d be willing to add a little if it meant getting the deal done. Not saying MHJ is a bust, but I saw enough of the two this year to say to me Nabers is a cut above.

 

[-OZ-]

would any Harrison owners trade him straight up for Nabers or vice versa?

Not a Harrison or Nabers owner but if I had Harrison and someone offered me Nabers I wouldn’t be able to accept fast enough. In fact, I’d be willing to add a little if it meant getting the deal done. Not saying MHJ is a bust, but I saw enough of the two this year to say to me Nabers is a cut above.

Agreed. I’m lightly kicking myself for taking MH over Nabers. I think Harrison will be fine, but I thought Nabers was going to be better during the college season. Thankfully I also liked BTjr enough to trade to get him in one league.

 

[jobarules]

would any Harrison owners trade him straight up for Nabers or vice versa?

I would accept instantly

 

[Dez]

Disaster of a season for where he was picked no doubt but we seen players like JSN and Hopkins turn their careers around after year 1.

 

[Dez]

would any Harrison owners trade him straight up for Nabers or vice versa?

Not a Harrison or Nabers owner but if I had Harrison and someone offered me Nabers I wouldn’t be able to accept fast enough. In fact, I’d be willing to add a little if it meant getting the deal done. Not saying MHJ is a bust, but I saw enough of the two this year to say to me Nabers is a cut above.

Agreed. I’m lightly kicking myself for taking MH over Nabers. I think Harrison will be fine, but I thought Nabers was going to be better during the college season. Thankfully I also liked BTjr enough to trade to get him in one league.

It could be worse you could do what I did.

I drafted Bowers at 1.04 in a TE Prem 1.5 PPR league and then I traded Bowers my 2025 1st, 2.04 for Marvin Harrison

 

[-OZ-]

would any Harrison owners trade him straight up for Nabers or vice versa?

Not a Harrison or Nabers owner but if I had Harrison and someone offered me Nabers I wouldn’t be able to accept fast enough. In fact, I’d be willing to add a little if it meant getting the deal done. Not saying MHJ is a bust, but I saw enough of the two this year to say to me Nabers is a cut above.

Agreed. I’m lightly kicking myself for taking MH over Nabers. I think Harrison will be fine, but I thought Nabers was going to be better during the college season. Thankfully I also liked BTjr enough to trade to get him in one league.

It could be worse you could do what I did.

I drafted Bowers at 1.04 in a TE Prem 1.5 PPR league and then I traded Bowers my 2025 1st, 2.04 for Marvin Harrison

Ouch.

 

[menobrown]

First I'll say I'd take Thomas over both Nabers or MHJ and without any hesitation. I posted somewhere around draft time, I think in the FFPC thread, that 3 WR's from this last draft class had a legit shot to end up being the top WR from the class and he was the third one and I also said it was just these 3. Maybe Ladd will still prove me wrong on that part of this. But I did NOT think Thomas would be nearly this good this fast, he blew away all my expectations.

On Nabers vs MHJ.

In drafts done after the NFL draft I load up on Nabers in redraft and BB, drafted him on 1/4th of my teams. Only took MHJ once, and that as basically just FOMO based/in case I was wrong about him. For clarification it was 9x I drafted Nabers, once for MHJ and I tried hard getting a lot more Nabers then I did.

Some of that had to do with cost, MHJ's was a little more. But my main idea was that Nabers would be a volume hog, lot's of schemed up stuff which in PPR is great, and consistent. Marvin I felt would trail a lot in targets, would not be getting a lot of schemed up stuff.

In dynasty I took MHJ 3x at 1.1.

I bring all this up for a reason. I took MHJ consistenly in dynasty and Nabers consistenly in redraft and I have to say that neither of their seasons this year surprised me. Nabers was almost exactly what I thought, MHJ was a a little disappointing.

The main reason I took MHJ over Nabers in redraft despite liking Nabers more this year is that Nabers production was the volume I expected for Nabers as well as him being used in ways that would assure he got the ball more, shorter stuff, etc. The issue with that on Nabers is that would lead to him taking more hits, making him more of an injury risk in the short and long term.

I think I got a lot of that right and Nabers constantly being on the injury report and lenght of time he needed to get back from that concussion worry me a little for his long term future.

All that being said I think I overthought it in dynasty. I don't typically draft players at 1.1 for trade value but I probably should have factored in that after their first season that I thought Nabers would hold more value-just did not expect this discrepancy.

So yeah if any of the 3 leagues I have MHJ I would accept Nabers for him but not seeing that offer coming but I think MHJ will be ok and I still think he could prove to be the right choice over the long term.

The production on his target volume was actually pretty solid despite a lot of missed opportunies. Unlike Nabers they did not seem to do much to scheme him open, not a lot of easy stuff. But the lack of seperation was concerning. If both of them had posted these numbers but MHJ was doing a better job of seperating I might still prefer him, but that's not the case.

 

[Penguin]

Full PPR
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Harrison 180.2/11.26 ppg
Nabers 256.2/18.30 ppg

 

[Faust]

Marvin Harrison Jr. Gets Honest on Rookie Struggles

Marvin Harrison Jr.'s rookie season for Cardinals not historically disappointing

Marvin Harrison Jr. hitting 1,000 yards as a rookie: Realistic or wishful thinking?

 

[Faust]

Underdog
Marvin Harrison Jr. has fewer...

Receptions than Elijah Moore
Receiving Yards than Jauan Jennings
Touchdowns than Rashod Bateman
Fantasy PPG than Jakobi Meyers

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[Faust]

Bo Brack
"This to me felt like a really complete receiving performance."

Mina Kimes talking Marvin Harrison JR. and wrapping up her 2024 season with us on @PHNX_Cardinals.

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[scothawk]

Underdog
Marvin Harrison Jr. has fewer...

Receptions than Elijah Moore
Receiving Yards than Jauan Jennings
Touchdowns than Rashod Bateman
Fantasy PPG than Jakobi Meyers

x.com

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he also has fewer seasons in the league and Kyler at QB

 

[jobarules]

Underdog
Marvin Harrison Jr. has fewer...

Receptions than Elijah Moore
Receiving Yards than Jauan Jennings
Touchdowns than Rashod Bateman
Fantasy PPG than Jakobi Meyers

x.com

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he also has fewer seasons in the league and Kyler at QB

Who did Moore and Meyers have at QB?

 

[Biabreakable]

He'll be fine. He'll cost less next year. 800 yards and 7 TD's as a rookie isn't "a bust." He didn't live up to the massive hype. But he's got a bright future. The talent didn't die.
I was always skeptical at the price. If you were getting him at the same price as Nabers, you'd feel a lot less burnt.

But the future is bright. He'll be a better value in 2025.

I’m seeing him in a lot of bust discussions. I think that’s more a function of people were expecting AJ Brown numbers right out of the gate.

Or it could be there were FOUR rookies that had 1000 yds receiving and he wasn't one of them.

It makes it feel more frustrating. It doesn't prove Marvin is or will be a bust.

Ceedee Lamb didn't have 1,000 receiving yards as a rookie. He's...alright.

If MHJ were playing for the Jaguars or Chargers, maybe his stats are more in line with what we've seen from Ladd or BTJ. I'm not including the Giants, because I think that situation is among the worst in the NFL and REALLY sings to how amazing Nabers is.

But we've seen guys have solid/not great rookie years go on to be very good receivers.

Marvin Harrison SR didn't surpass 1000 yards receiving until his 4th season.

 

[metoo]

Underdog
Marvin Harrison Jr. has fewer...

Receptions than Elijah Moore
Receiving Yards than Jauan Jennings
Touchdowns than Rashod Bateman
Fantasy PPG than Jakobi Meyers

x.com

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he also has fewer seasons in the league and Kyler at QB

Who did Moore and Meyers have at QB?

And what’s going to change next season?

 

[scothawk]

Underdog
Marvin Harrison Jr. has fewer...

Receptions than Elijah Moore
Receiving Yards than Jauan Jennings
Touchdowns than Rashod Bateman
Fantasy PPG than Jakobi Meyers

x.com

x.com

he also has fewer seasons in the league and Kyler at QB

Who did Moore and Meyers have at QB?

Moore had the majority of his receptions after his awful QB got hurt

Underdog
Marvin Harrison Jr. has fewer...

Receptions than Elijah Moore
Receiving Yards than Jauan Jennings
Touchdowns than Rashod Bateman
Fantasy PPG than Jakobi Meyers

x.com

x.com

he also has fewer seasons in the league and Kyler at QB

Who did Moore and Meyers have at QB?

And what’s going to change next season?

He has a year's more experience.He is unrookied,

 

[Faust]

The 33rd Team
Like father, like son

Marvin Harrison Jr.'s rookie season:

Receptions: 63
Receiving Yards: 885
Receiving TDs: 8

Marvin Harrison Sr.'s rookie season:

Receptions: 64
Receiving Yards: 836
Receiving TDs: 8

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[KellysHeroes]

would any Harrison owners trade him straight up for Nabers or vice versa?

Not a Harrison or Nabers owner but if I had Harrison and someone offered me Nabers I wouldn’t be able to accept fast enough. In fact, I’d be willing to add a little if it meant getting the deal done. Not saying MHJ is a bust, but I saw enough of the two this year to say to me Nabers is a cut above.

good thoughts, I had OBJ back in the day and man I rejected so many overloaded trades that it still stings.

 

[houston]

Underdog
Marvin Harrison Jr. has fewer...

Receptions than Elijah Moore
Receiving Yards than Jauan Jennings
Touchdowns than Rashod Bateman
Fantasy PPG than Jakobi Meyers

x.com

x.com

he also has fewer seasons in the league and Kyler at QB

Who did Moore and Meyers have at QB?

And what’s going to change next season?

Peyton Manning sure isn’t arriving!

 

[houston]

The talent definitely is there. Something (scheme, QB play, extra gear to win a contested throw) sure seems off.

 

[metoo]

Kyler will still be the QB next season and I don’t see him supporting a WR1 and the overall TE1. Harrison is not the type to call for the ball and I don’t like that in WRs. Harrison Sr was frustrated with his son for not doing this at Ohio State.

 

[efactor]

Kyler will still be the QB next season and I don’t see him supporting a WR1 and the overall TE1. Harrison is not the type to call for the ball and I don’t like that in WRs. Harrison Sr was frustrated with his son for not doing this at Ohio State.

If he has to “call for the ball” then there is definitely a coaching and QB issue in AZ. It’s not like they were a dominant offensive team this year, so not heavily targeting their rookie WR they took with the 4th overall pick is not exactly genius.

 

[pinkstapler]

Jr. is NOT Sr. Not by a long shot. One of Sr. greatest strengths was attacking the ball and winning at the catch point. That has been one of Jrs biggest weaknesses, even going back to college. Not saying MHJ isn't talented, but he really needs to stop getting compared to his father. He has never been him, and it's very unlikely he ever will be.

Regardless, I wouldn't be worried if I was an owner. I had him at WR4 preseason largely because of his situation, and it's pretty much come to fruition. He's still talented, had a great rookie season, and seemed to improve as the year went on. Pretty much all you can ask for as an owner. Hopefully the Cardinals get him some more targets, as well as start using him more in space. ISO X playing 90% deep and on the sidelines is not using him to the best of his abilities IMO and caps his ceiling; both in real and fantasy football.

 

[Faust]

Cards' Marvin Harrison Jr. ready to improve on rookie season

 

[eighsse2]

FantasyPros current redraft rankings among 15 participants:
Marvin Harrison Jr WR#29, highest #26, lowest #31

Seems pretty low to me. Are we really not expecting a decent step forward?

 

[menobrown]

FantasyPros current redraft rankings among 15 participants:
Marvin Harrison Jr WR#29, highest #26, lowest #31

Seems pretty low to me. Are we really not expecting a decent step forward?

FWIW in FFPC he's going as WR16 and WR18 in two of their contests. Not a lot of leagues making up that data, about twice as much as you are indicating but that's a major difference in those two events.

In answer to your question I think most people do expect a decent step forward but I would add he's the player I've received the most unsolicited trade offers for this off-season and that's saying a lot since I already own him 3/8th of my leagues. I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

 

[Gally]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

 

[ffmail4me]

In a PPR best ball dynasty league where I am loaded at WR (Jefferson, Harrison, Nabers, Wilson, McLaurin, Aiyuk, Jauan Jennings, Bateman and more) I've offered him in trade to get a good RB and every offer has been rejected. I don't get it, kid has an extremely bright future...I think a lot of people are sleeping on him.

 

[JohnnyU]

In a PPR best ball dynasty league where I am loaded at WR (Jefferson, Harrison, Nabers, Wilson, McLaurin, Aiyuk, Jauan Jennings, Bateman and more) I've offered him in trade to get a good RB and every offer has been rejected. I don't get it, kid has an extremely bright future...I think a lot of people are sleeping on him.

recency displeasure with the player. Not smart to operate that way, but people expect a discount after a player doesn’t live up to expectations the previous season. What offers did you make?

 

[ffmail4me]

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

 

[Ray_T]

FantasyPros current redraft rankings among 15 participants:
Marvin Harrison Jr WR#29, highest #26, lowest #31

Seems pretty low to me. Are we really not expecting a decent step forward?

FWIW in FFPC he's going as WR16 and WR18 in two of their contests. Not a lot of leagues making up that data, about twice as much as you are indicating but that's a major difference in those two events.

In answer to your question I think most people do expect a decent step forward but I would add he's the player I've received the most unsolicited trade offers for this off-season and that's saying a lot since I already own him 3/8th of my leagues. I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I think the recency bias is strong with him.

there are some drafts where I saw him going late in round 1 or (more often round 2) and got burned a bit. so these people are likely hesitant to pick him early again.
but if his ADP as a WR is in the WR16 to WR18 range, you can sign me up.

its not entirely unusual for a top rookie WR to get 700-800 yards as a rookie and then explode in year 2. it is also worth noting he saw double coverage an awful lot as a rookie. I dont know the numbers but I'd bet he got more of it than any other rookie with the possible exception of Nabers.

 

[JohnnyU]

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

I see. If you really want to get a deal done sometimes it’s better to lose a trade with a sweetener, such as a late 2nd or early 3rd rookie pick. Don’t pay attention to trade calculators, they aren’t that valuable in some trades. Or offer a RB in addition to Harrison for Hall or Achane and a second or third back.

 

[JohnnyU]

FantasyPros current redraft rankings among 15 participants:
Marvin Harrison Jr WR#29, highest #26, lowest #31

Seems pretty low to me. Are we really not expecting a decent step forward?

FWIW in FFPC he's going as WR16 and WR18 in two of their contests. Not a lot of leagues making up that data, about twice as much as you are indicating but that's a major difference in those two events.

In answer to your question I think most people do expect a decent step forward but I would add he's the player I've received the most unsolicited trade offers for this off-season and that's saying a lot since I already own him 3/8th of my leagues. I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I think the recency bias is strong with him.

there are some drafts where I saw him going late in round 1 or (more often round 2) and got burned a bit. so these people are likely hesitant to pick him early again.
but if his ADP as a WR is in the WR16 to WR18 range, you can sign me up.

its not entirely unusual for a top rookie WR to get 700-800 yards as a rookie and then explode in year 2. it is also worth noting he saw double coverage an awful lot as a rookie. I dont know the numbers but I'd bet he got more of it than any other rookie with the possible exception of Nabers.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

 

[Blick]

FantasyPros current redraft rankings among 15 participants:
Marvin Harrison Jr WR#29, highest #26, lowest #31

Seems pretty low to me. Are we really not expecting a decent step forward?

FWIW in FFPC he's going as WR16 and WR18 in two of their contests. Not a lot of leagues making up that data, about twice as much as you are indicating but that's a major difference in those two events.

In answer to your question I think most people do expect a decent step forward but I would add he's the player I've received the most unsolicited trade offers for this off-season and that's saying a lot since I already own him 3/8th of my leagues. I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I think the recency bias is strong with him.

there are some drafts where I saw him going late in round 1 or (more often round 2) and got burned a bit. so these people are likely hesitant to pick him early again.
but if his ADP as a WR is in the WR16 to WR18 range, you can sign me up.

its not entirely unusual for a top rookie WR to get 700-800 yards as a rookie and then explode in year 2. it is also worth noting he saw double coverage an awful lot as a rookie. I dont know the numbers but I'd bet he got more of it than any other rookie with the possible exception of Nabers.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

I think I would. Thomas is close though. I just don’t think Ladd has the same upside. Plus, I think he’ll get target competition this season.

 

[JohnnyU]

FantasyPros current redraft rankings among 15 participants:
Marvin Harrison Jr WR#29, highest #26, lowest #31

Seems pretty low to me. Are we really not expecting a decent step forward?

FWIW in FFPC he's going as WR16 and WR18 in two of their contests. Not a lot of leagues making up that data, about twice as much as you are indicating but that's a major difference in those two events.

In answer to your question I think most people do expect a decent step forward but I would add he's the player I've received the most unsolicited trade offers for this off-season and that's saying a lot since I already own him 3/8th of my leagues. I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I think the recency bias is strong with him.

there are some drafts where I saw him going late in round 1 or (more often round 2) and got burned a bit. so these people are likely hesitant to pick him early again.
but if his ADP as a WR is in the WR16 to WR18 range, you can sign me up.

its not entirely unusual for a top rookie WR to get 700-800 yards as a rookie and then explode in year 2. it is also worth noting he saw double coverage an awful lot as a rookie. I dont know the numbers but I'd bet he got more of it than any other rookie with the possible exception of Nabers.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

I think I would. Thomas is close though. I just don’t think Ladd has the same upside. Plus, I think he’ll get target competition this season.

I can’t blame you but there is no denying McConkey and BTJr give a warm fuzzy vibe more than Harrison does as of today. That can obviously change, but I’m not out there shopping either for Harrison. Should I be? Bird in the hand …..

 

[Ray_T]

FantasyPros current redraft rankings among 15 participants:
Marvin Harrison Jr WR#29, highest #26, lowest #31

Seems pretty low to me. Are we really not expecting a decent step forward?

FWIW in FFPC he's going as WR16 and WR18 in two of their contests. Not a lot of leagues making up that data, about twice as much as you are indicating but that's a major difference in those two events.

In answer to your question I think most people do expect a decent step forward but I would add he's the player I've received the most unsolicited trade offers for this off-season and that's saying a lot since I already own him 3/8th of my leagues. I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I think the recency bias is strong with him.

there are some drafts where I saw him going late in round 1 or (more often round 2) and got burned a bit. so these people are likely hesitant to pick him early again.
but if his ADP as a WR is in the WR16 to WR18 range, you can sign me up.

its not entirely unusual for a top rookie WR to get 700-800 yards as a rookie and then explode in year 2. it is also worth noting he saw double coverage an awful lot as a rookie. I dont know the numbers but I'd bet he got more of it than any other rookie with the possible exception of Nabers.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

no I also wouldnt. especially when you consider both of those guys likely have a better QB tossing them the ball.

 

[Blick]

FantasyPros current redraft rankings among 15 participants:
Marvin Harrison Jr WR#29, highest #26, lowest #31

Seems pretty low to me. Are we really not expecting a decent step forward?

FWIW in FFPC he's going as WR16 and WR18 in two of their contests. Not a lot of leagues making up that data, about twice as much as you are indicating but that's a major difference in those two events.

In answer to your question I think most people do expect a decent step forward but I would add he's the player I've received the most unsolicited trade offers for this off-season and that's saying a lot since I already own him 3/8th of my leagues. I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I think the recency bias is strong with him.

there are some drafts where I saw him going late in round 1 or (more often round 2) and got burned a bit. so these people are likely hesitant to pick him early again.
but if his ADP as a WR is in the WR16 to WR18 range, you can sign me up.

its not entirely unusual for a top rookie WR to get 700-800 yards as a rookie and then explode in year 2. it is also worth noting he saw double coverage an awful lot as a rookie. I dont know the numbers but I'd bet he got more of it than any other rookie with the possible exception of Nabers.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

I think I would. Thomas is close though. I just don’t think Ladd has the same upside. Plus, I think he’ll get target competition this season.

I can’t blame you but there is no denying McConkey and BTJr give a warm fuzzy vibe more than Harrison does as of today. That can obviously change, but I’m not out there shopping either for Harrison. Should I be? Bird in the hand …..

And I understand your viewpoint.

 

[JohnnyU]

FantasyPros current redraft rankings among 15 participants:
Marvin Harrison Jr WR#29, highest #26, lowest #31

Seems pretty low to me. Are we really not expecting a decent step forward?

FWIW in FFPC he's going as WR16 and WR18 in two of their contests. Not a lot of leagues making up that data, about twice as much as you are indicating but that's a major difference in those two events.

In answer to your question I think most people do expect a decent step forward but I would add he's the player I've received the most unsolicited trade offers for this off-season and that's saying a lot since I already own him 3/8th of my leagues. I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I think the recency bias is strong with him.

there are some drafts where I saw him going late in round 1 or (more often round 2) and got burned a bit. so these people are likely hesitant to pick him early again.
but if his ADP as a WR is in the WR16 to WR18 range, you can sign me up.

its not entirely unusual for a top rookie WR to get 700-800 yards as a rookie and then explode in year 2. it is also worth noting he saw double coverage an awful lot as a rookie. I dont know the numbers but I'd bet he got more of it than any other rookie with the possible exception of Nabers.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

no I also wouldnt. especially when you consider both of those guys likely have a better QB tossing them the ball.

I thought it was an interesting question. I expect many different answers.

 

[-OZ-]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

 

[Gally]

. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

I am guessing that is true for any dynasty manager that drafted MHJ. You used a premium draft pick and it's too early to take a loss.

 

[JohnnyU]

. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

I am guessing that is true for any dynasty manager that drafted MHJ. You used a premium draft pick and it's too early to take a loss.

That’s for sure

 

[menobrown]

. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

I am guessing that is true for any dynasty manager that drafted MHJ. You used a premium draft pick and it's too early to take a loss.

I mentioned he had been offered to me in 3 leagues and you replied that his owners are holding tight and here you mention a loss. Just want to point out that just because he's been offered to me in a few leagues, I would not phrase the offers as the teams looking to take a loss.

I think there is a large segment of MHJ owners who want to try and cash out why they can and worried if he does not turn it around he will lose a ton of value quickly and I don't disagree. If he does not take a big step the prospect that is MHJ will start to wane and the focus will be on the production. Patience does not always equal the safe play even thought it's normaly how I play it and am currently playing it with MHJ. Patience.

He was traded 2x in-season in a league of mine last year. My biggest league. The first of those trades was an asbolutely terrible panic trade after a week or two for Jayden Reed. That's doing it wrong, people hitting me up with offers were shopping for the likes of Bowers and Breece.

 

[menobrown]

FantasyPros current redraft rankings among 15 participants:
Marvin Harrison Jr WR#29, highest #26, lowest #31

Seems pretty low to me. Are we really not expecting a decent step forward?

FWIW in FFPC he's going as WR16 and WR18 in two of their contests. Not a lot of leagues making up that data, about twice as much as you are indicating but that's a major difference in those two events.

In answer to your question I think most people do expect a decent step forward but I would add he's the player I've received the most unsolicited trade offers for this off-season and that's saying a lot since I already own him 3/8th of my leagues. I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I think the recency bias is strong with him.

there are some drafts where I saw him going late in round 1 or (more often round 2) and got burned a bit. so these people are likely hesitant to pick him early again.
but if his ADP as a WR is in the WR16 to WR18 range, you can sign me up.

its not entirely unusual for a top rookie WR to get 700-800 yards as a rookie and then explode in year 2. it is also worth noting he saw double coverage an awful lot as a rookie. I dont know the numbers but I'd bet he got more of it than any other rookie with the possible exception of Nabers.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Easy yes for me on Thomas, who I'd also take over Nabers but it's so close it's like splitting hairs.

I'd still take MHJ over McConkey.

If I was redrafting/ranking my top 5 from last year in one QB/TEP leagues I play it would go like this, in order:

Tier one:

Bowers
Thomas
Nabers

Tier 2:

MHJ
Ladd

Would have to think more as I expand this but would likely feature Worthy, Bucky and then get stuck on thought if I can put a QB value this high in one QB leagues and include Daniels or not. I think I would. Thinking of this off the top of my head and might be forgetting someone but this would roughly be how I'd have it.

 

[JohnnyU]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison. I think Ladd will be a fantasy force the next 5 years. I’m not convinced Harrison will be, or not at McConkey’s level.

 

[Ray_T]

I believe I've been offered him in 3 of the other 5 leagues.

I am finding the opposite. His owners are holding him as close as they can.

Where I have him, in a rebuild where WR are king, I’m not trading him without getting more than he’s worth. I could use a TE but wouldn’t give him straight for bowers or any TE. I figure he’s at his low point right now.

Harrison for Hall, Harrison for Achane. I guess with fewer starting RBs it's hard to trade for them, but I also can't get past knowing the typical WR prospect is gonna have a MUCH Longer career than any RB in this dynasty format, and RBs seem to get injured more often too.

Funny, I have hall, Achane and BTjr in my other league and would probably trade Achane for him, I’d really need to think about it, DA is just fun to watch.

Would you trade either Brian Thomas or Ladd McConkey straight up for Harrison? I probably wouldn’t.

Ladd I would. I think MH and BTjr are equal but there’s a certain fear we have when trading guys away that looked great that would make me pass.

I don’t think I would trade McConkey for Harrison. I think Ladd will be a fantasy force the next 5 years. I’m not convinced Harrison will be, or not at McConkey’s level.

I think Harrison will be. hes just not in as good an offense (as a whole) I think its easier to key on Harrison in that offense the way it is setup right now. Thats an admittedly harder thing for a rookie to adjust to. but adjust he will. I'm still a bit worried about Kyler Murray but hes good enough. Im reasonably sure Harrison will be a 1000 yard WR next year. He has a real interesting skillset and for fantasy, has the ability to be a red zone beast. For fantasy I still think he has the higher ceiling. but in real life, the other two could put up better yardage. Harrison he needs a speedy WR on the other side that can draw coverage away from him to really hit his potential.