The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
Maybe not, but he was drafted to do what Kraft ultimately is. He was the 42nd pick in 2023 and brought in to catch passes and we've never even seen what he's capable of. I wouldn't write him off completely.
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WR Matthew Golden, GB (2 Viewers)
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
This seems like a classic disconnect between fantasy football and real life. It's possible that Golden could be a massive success in the Packers offense and still be a terrible option for fantasy football owners.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
pretty sure Doobs role will decrease, Watson is basically gone; Reed seems to be the only WR that will have a role next to Golden
joey
Footballguy
From your above posts, and from my previous post….I'm rooting for UNlucky.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Heard an interesting take the other day on a podcast - might’ve been the football guys pod? I dunno.
But one of the concerns was the “crowded” WR room in GB. The one dude put it pretty nicely when he said “ if Golden hits, the rest of the WR’s on that team won’t matter”
So true, and a great way to think about it when drafting Golden. No, he’s not your prototypical “alpha WR” … but if he’s commanding the targets in an upcoming offense? Well worth it.
Hell I don’t think the packers have drafted a WR in the 1st round in over 20yrs
But one of the concerns was the “crowded” WR room in GB. The one dude put it pretty nicely when he said “ if Golden hits, the rest of the WR’s on that team won’t matter”
So true, and a great way to think about it when drafting Golden. No, he’s not your prototypical “alpha WR” … but if he’s commanding the targets in an upcoming offense? Well worth it.
Hell I don’t think the packers have drafted a WR in the 1st round in over 20yrs
Snoopy
Footballguy
Javon Walker 2002.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It’s a case where it’s crowded because other than Reed, the other guys aren’t good (or with Watson not reliable). It seems GB would be wise to try and focus the passing game in on Reed, Golden and the TEs. My worry for fantasy team is even if Golden is good, he’s better for the offense than he is for statistical production.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Sure .. but like I said, or the podcast man said - if Golden hits? I highly doubt there much value in any of the ancillary WR’s.
Ideally, it would be Golden, Reed, Kraft and then the RB’s.
Watson, Wicks, Melton, Musgrave would all be depth for them.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
This kid is just getting disrespected as I landed him with the 13th pick in 2 drafts. He ran 4.29 and reminds me a lot of Brandon Cooks, not worried about the "crowded" WR room.... GB knows what they're doing and if they didn't feel they had a problem there they certainly wouldn't have used a mid 1st to take a WR. Kid should emerge by mid-season
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
I took him at 1.11 in a 1QB dynasty ppr performance scoring, if that helps anyone considering selecting him.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Welcome aboard, Golden.
Just took him at 2.2 in FFPC 1QB TEP league.
From many of the comments in here, it sounds like I should’ve waited to grab him with my 4th round pick
Good value there. I'm debating using the 1.12 if he's available, but will definitely be on board if a 1st round WR falls to my 2.3.
As it pertains to 1.12, really trying to figure out if the TEs offer any more than a marginal upgrade to Kraft or Kincaid in a non-TEP. I think it's probably just more of the same but leaning slightly towards Loveland over Golden for now.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
WR56 in redraft leagues according to Fantasy Pros
-Christian Watson is likely OUT for 2025 or am I misinformed? Do you think Green Bay is banking on Watson? I don't
I have him completely off my list after the ligament tears late last season
-Jayden Reed
He is WR46 at FP right now,
64/790/8TDs and 55/850/6TDs his first couple seasons in the NFL. On avg, he plays about 59% of the snaps, some weeks it's 55 and others it might be 63.
Reed is the Slot Wide Receiver, a pretty darn good one but slot nonetheless.
-Let's take a brief look at the outside WRs, Watson is on the shelf, let's see here, oh yes Romeo Doubs let's have a closer look.
Facts: Doubs 59/670/8TDs in 2023, last year he got into arguments with coaches and front office from my POV as an NFL fan and I would be surprised if he were to stay with the team
At the least, I don't see him in the Packers long term plans. When you look at his body of work, it's kind of weak and it's not like other teams are knocking on the Packers door for trades.
600 yds and 4 TD spread over 12 starts doesn't help his cause from last year either, no way Green Bay is satisfied here
-Back to Golden, he's already being penciled in as one of the starting outside WRs and I think very quickly he will rise to WR1 status, even as a rookie which isn't common
But in recent years we have seen some stellar rookie numbers posted and it's not uncommon to see rookie WRs get more and more involved.
Weeks 7-11 and Week 17, Watson as a rookie WR in Green Bay saw over 85-90% of the offensive snaps in those games and posted good numbers so don't overlook Golden
Even in redraft leagues I like his upside almost as much as. I like Egbuka in Tampa Bay, might even say Golden will post better numbers in redraft leagues
Golden is young and still improving, a true Junior last year when he posted almost 1,000 yds and 9 TDs
Packers have a strong plan for him and I expect WR3 level numbers from him as a rookie
60+/900/6-8 TDs as a rookie
-Christian Watson is likely OUT for 2025 or am I misinformed? Do you think Green Bay is banking on Watson? I don't
I have him completely off my list after the ligament tears late last season
-Jayden Reed
He is WR46 at FP right now,
64/790/8TDs and 55/850/6TDs his first couple seasons in the NFL. On avg, he plays about 59% of the snaps, some weeks it's 55 and others it might be 63.
Reed is the Slot Wide Receiver, a pretty darn good one but slot nonetheless.
-Let's take a brief look at the outside WRs, Watson is on the shelf, let's see here, oh yes Romeo Doubs let's have a closer look.
Facts: Doubs 59/670/8TDs in 2023, last year he got into arguments with coaches and front office from my POV as an NFL fan and I would be surprised if he were to stay with the team
At the least, I don't see him in the Packers long term plans. When you look at his body of work, it's kind of weak and it's not like other teams are knocking on the Packers door for trades.
600 yds and 4 TD spread over 12 starts doesn't help his cause from last year either, no way Green Bay is satisfied here
-Back to Golden, he's already being penciled in as one of the starting outside WRs and I think very quickly he will rise to WR1 status, even as a rookie which isn't common
But in recent years we have seen some stellar rookie numbers posted and it's not uncommon to see rookie WRs get more and more involved.
Weeks 7-11 and Week 17, Watson as a rookie WR in Green Bay saw over 85-90% of the offensive snaps in those games and posted good numbers so don't overlook Golden
Even in redraft leagues I like his upside almost as much as. I like Egbuka in Tampa Bay, might even say Golden will post better numbers in redraft leagues
Golden is young and still improving, a true Junior last year when he posted almost 1,000 yds and 9 TDs
Packers have a strong plan for him and I expect WR3 level numbers from him as a rookie
60+/900/6-8 TDs as a rookie
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pinkstapler
Footballguy
I think those are fair expectations so long as he establishes himself as the leader of the pack in that room; but I'd agree that's also a fair expectation to have considering his draft capital and the role he played in college. He seems like their direct replacement to Watson, as no other WR on that team was really a field stretcher proficient at those deep routes and with the speed to really attack NFL secondaries.
My concerns are more the passing offense in general. They were 30th in passing attempts last year; the rest of their numbers being middle of the pack instead of bottom speak to a very high efficiency. But I worry it may also be a signal for some regression unless they up those attempts a bit. That could be a safe bet too though considering their investment in two more WRs and even their work horse back calling for the team to get a real WR1. He might not want 300+ rushing attempts again haha.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I felt Jacobs was value at his ADP last year, this year I feel he is sky high and the Packers have a 2nd round RB from the '24 Draft, Marshawn Lloyd who is going to see touches
I also think they want to see if Love is truly worth that contract or not before the QB class next season.
They did go 11-6 and Love fought thru injuries, the Packers had to load up at WR to take away any excuses.
Wicks had the most targets of any receiver last season, that will not happen again
Wicks-Doubs-Reed-Kraft all had between 70-76 targets, I believe that will change a lot this season
The Packers need for one outside WR to emerge and I think Golden is prime to be that in 2025, not a sure bet but he is going to get 1st crack at it
Reed and Kraft will continue to work the Slot and middle of the field, Kraft is prime for a big Year 3 after 700/7TD a year ago.
That could also shake things up and force coverages that will open up the outside slots where Golden can exploit.
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joey
Footballguy
Seeing that your league is non-TEP, and you already have Kincaid and Kraft, I go with the first round WR at 1.12.Welcome aboard, Golden.
Just took him at 2.2 in FFPC 1QB TEP league.
From many of the comments in here, it sounds like I should’ve waited to grab him with my 4th round pick
Good value there. I'm debating using the 1.12 if he's available, but will definitely be on board if a 1st round WR falls to my 2.3.
As it pertains to 1.12, really trying to figure out if the TEs offer any more than a marginal upgrade to Kraft or Kincaid in a non-TEP. I think it's probably just more of the same but leaning slightly towards Loveland over Golden for now.
ETA: fwiw, Golden went at 1.12 in our SharkPool FFPC 1QB TEP league.
