WR Matthew Golden, GB (3 Viewers)

[Alex P Keaton]

I trade my (I assume late) 2006 1st and a mid 2005 2nd to draft him @ #10

Generally not a big fan of giving up a future 1st unless it is for a difference maker

That said, if you can get him for two picks that are 20 years in the past, go for it

 

[bluemanfoo]

IMHO, Golden's comp is DeSean Jackson.

Also IMHO:

Love is an average to above average NFL QB, the offense is predicted on the run, Marshawn Lloyd is a capable backup RB, but not much more, and there are too many mouths to feed in a not-all-that-prolific passing game.

Buy:

Jayden Reed, in PPR, if he falls to a value pick.

Luke Musgrave for free on large roster/taxi squad formats (in case of injury break glass).

As much Josh Jacobs as you can possibly get your hands on. Golden, like everything else in GB, is more or less an enabler of Jacobs having a *monster* 2025.

At least that's how I see it, right now.

I don't think this offense is predicated on the run at all. I think they ran the ball last year, because the receivers stunk. Reed and Wicks were amongst the league leaders in drops. Watson was the only one getting separation but he's just not a #1.

For instance, in 2019, in LaFleur's first year, Rodgers was not comfortable in the outside zone blocking based offense. Rodgers threw 26 TDs, while Davante caught 5 TDs, and Aaron Jones scored 19 TDs. But they didn't want to be a running team. They ran out of necessity. In 2020, the zone based scheme "clicked" for Rodgers and he threw 48 TDs, Davante caught 18 TDs, and Aaron Jones' TD output went down considerably there after.

Likewise, GB ran the ball out of necessity last year, but they don't want to be a running team. They want to put up points, and they want the offense to "click" for Love as it did Rodgers. To get there, they clearly needed a #1 WR, which is why they drafted Golden.

The offense was adjusted after that first year of Rodgers and LaFleur to include Rodgers strengths from previous years and the offense LaFleur wanted to run.

Every offense gets tweaked every year, but the biggest factor in Rodger's success in 2020 was being more comfortable in the outside zone blocking system. If you watched the games it was obvious, and Rodgers flat out said so in interviews. Furthermore, Matt Ryan said the same. Like Rodgers, Matt Ryan was mediocre the first year Kyle Shanahan installed the outside zone blocking system in Atlanta. And like Rodgers, Ryan took off his second year in that system, in 2016. They both won their first NFL MVP in their second year in that system. Pretty obvious to me LaFleur wants it to "click" for Love like it did Rodgers and Ryan, but also seems obvious Love needs a #1 WR to get there. Whether Golden becomes that "alpha" is tough to say, but I really don't think it's rocket science to see what GB is trying to achieve.

 

[msudaisy26]

IMHO, Golden's comp is DeSean Jackson.

Also IMHO:

Love is an average to above average NFL QB, the offense is predicted on the run, Marshawn Lloyd is a capable backup RB, but not much more, and there are too many mouths to feed in a not-all-that-prolific passing game.

Buy:

Jayden Reed, in PPR, if he falls to a value pick.

Luke Musgrave for free on large roster/taxi squad formats (in case of injury break glass).

As much Josh Jacobs as you can possibly get your hands on. Golden, like everything else in GB, is more or less an enabler of Jacobs having a *monster* 2025.

At least that's how I see it, right now.

I don't think this offense is predicated on the run at all. I think they ran the ball last year, because the receivers stunk. Reed and Wicks were amongst the league leaders in drops. Watson was the only one getting separation but he's just not a #1.

For instance, in 2019, in LaFleur's first year, Rodgers was not comfortable in the outside zone blocking based offense. Rodgers threw 26 TDs, while Davante caught 5 TDs, and Aaron Jones scored 19 TDs. But they didn't want to be a running team. They ran out of necessity. In 2020, the zone based scheme "clicked" for Rodgers and he threw 48 TDs, Davante caught 18 TDs, and Aaron Jones' TD output went down considerably there after.

Likewise, GB ran the ball out of necessity last year, but they don't want to be a running team. They want to put up points, and they want the offense to "click" for Love as it did Rodgers. To get there, they clearly needed a #1 WR, which is why they drafted Golden.

Plus Love was playing hurt almost the entire year. They were trying to protect him and Willis by running more.

 

[smbkrypt24]

IMHO, Golden's comp is DeSean Jackson.

Also IMHO:

Love is an average to above average NFL QB, the offense is predicted on the run, Marshawn Lloyd is a capable backup RB, but not much more, and there are too many mouths to feed in a not-all-that-prolific passing game.

Buy:

Jayden Reed, in PPR, if he falls to a value pick.

Luke Musgrave for free on large roster/taxi squad formats (in case of injury break glass).

As much Josh Jacobs as you can possibly get your hands on. Golden, like everything else in GB, is more or less an enabler of Jacobs having a *monster* 2025.

At least that's how I see it, right now.

I don't think this offense is predicated on the run at all. I think they ran the ball last year, because the receivers stunk. Reed and Wicks were amongst the league leaders in drops. Watson was the only one getting separation but he's just not a #1.

For instance, in 2019, in LaFleur's first year, Rodgers was not comfortable in the outside zone blocking based offense. Rodgers threw 26 TDs, while Davante caught 5 TDs, and Aaron Jones scored 19 TDs. But they didn't want to be a running team. They ran out of necessity. In 2020, the zone based scheme "clicked" for Rodgers and he threw 48 TDs, Davante caught 18 TDs, and Aaron Jones' TD output went down considerably there after.

Likewise, GB ran the ball out of necessity last year, but they don't want to be a running team. They want to put up points, and they want the offense to "click" for Love as it did Rodgers. To get there, they clearly needed a #1 WR, which is why they drafted Golden.

The offense was adjusted after that first year of Rodgers and LaFleur to include Rodgers strengths from previous years and the offense LaFleur wanted to run.

Every offense gets tweaked every year, but the biggest factor in Rodger's success in 2020 was being more comfortable in the outside zone blocking system. If you watched the games it was obvious, and Rodgers flat out said so in interviews. Furthermore, Matt Ryan said the same. Like Rodgers, Matt Ryan was mediocre the first year Kyle Shanahan installed the outside zone blocking system in Atlanta. And like Rodgers, Ryan took off his second year in that system, in 2016. They both won their first NFL MVP in their second year in that system. Pretty obvious to me LaFleur wants it to "click" for Love like it did Rodgers and Ryan, but also seems obvious Love needs a #1 WR to get there. Whether Golden becomes that "alpha" is tough to say, but I really don't think it's rocket science what GB is trying to achieve.

I think this was something different. I think Rodgers got comfortable speaking to his strengths the second year after trying to allow the offense to be how it was the first year.

 

[bluemanfoo]

IMHO, Golden's comp is DeSean Jackson.

Also IMHO:

Love is an average to above average NFL QB, the offense is predicted on the run, Marshawn Lloyd is a capable backup RB, but not much more, and there are too many mouths to feed in a not-all-that-prolific passing game.

Buy:

Jayden Reed, in PPR, if he falls to a value pick.

Luke Musgrave for free on large roster/taxi squad formats (in case of injury break glass).

As much Josh Jacobs as you can possibly get your hands on. Golden, like everything else in GB, is more or less an enabler of Jacobs having a *monster* 2025.

At least that's how I see it, right now.

I don't think this offense is predicated on the run at all. I think they ran the ball last year, because the receivers stunk. Reed and Wicks were amongst the league leaders in drops. Watson was the only one getting separation but he's just not a #1.

For instance, in 2019, in LaFleur's first year, Rodgers was not comfortable in the outside zone blocking based offense. Rodgers threw 26 TDs, while Davante caught 5 TDs, and Aaron Jones scored 19 TDs. But they didn't want to be a running team. They ran out of necessity. In 2020, the zone based scheme "clicked" for Rodgers and he threw 48 TDs, Davante caught 18 TDs, and Aaron Jones' TD output went down considerably there after.

Likewise, GB ran the ball out of necessity last year, but they don't want to be a running team. They want to put up points, and they want the offense to "click" for Love as it did Rodgers. To get there, they clearly needed a #1 WR, which is why they drafted Golden.

The offense was adjusted after that first year of Rodgers and LaFleur to include Rodgers strengths from previous years and the offense LaFleur wanted to run.

Every offense gets tweaked every year, but the biggest factor in Rodger's success in 2020 was being more comfortable in the outside zone blocking system. If you watched the games it was obvious, and Rodgers flat out said so in interviews. Furthermore, Matt Ryan said the same. Like Rodgers, Matt Ryan was mediocre the first year Kyle Shanahan installed the outside zone blocking system in Atlanta. And like Rodgers, Ryan took off his second year in that system, in 2016. They both won their first NFL MVP in their second year in that system. Pretty obvious to me LaFleur wants it to "click" for Love like it did Rodgers and Ryan, but also seems obvious Love needs a #1 WR to get there. Whether Golden becomes that "alpha" is tough to say, but I really don't think it's rocket science what GB is trying to achieve.

I think this was something different. I think Rodgers got comfortable speaking to his strengths the second year after trying to allow the offense to be how it was the first year.

Did you watch the games? Because I saw almost every GB snap in 2019/2020. Also, should be able to google plenty of stories like these.

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/packers/rodgers-trusted-lafleurs-offense-this-year-and-thrived/
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/st...ke-jump-in-year-2-of-new-offense/79970302007/

But, once again, my main point is the Packers don't want to be a running team, they're shooting for a Ryan/Rodgers like leap with Love.

 

[darksideofoz]

IMHO, Golden's comp is DeSean Jackson.

Also IMHO:

Love is an average to above average NFL QB, the offense is predicted on the run, Marshawn Lloyd is a capable backup RB, but not much more, and there are too many mouths to feed in a not-all-that-prolific passing game.

Buy:

Jayden Reed, in PPR, if he falls to a value pick.

Luke Musgrave for free on large roster/taxi squad formats (in case of injury break glass).

As much Josh Jacobs as you can possibly get your hands on. Golden, like everything else in GB, is more or less an enabler of Jacobs having a *monster* 2025.

At least that's how I see it, right now.

I don't think this offense is predicated on the run at all. I think they ran the ball last year, because the receivers stunk. Reed and Wicks were amongst the league leaders in drops. Watson was the only one getting separation but he's just not a #1.

For instance, in 2019, in LaFleur's first year, Rodgers was not comfortable in the outside zone blocking based offense. Rodgers threw 26 TDs, while Davante caught 5 TDs, and Aaron Jones scored 19 TDs. But they didn't want to be a running team. They ran out of necessity. In 2020, the zone based scheme "clicked" for Rodgers and he threw 48 TDs, Davante caught 18 TDs, and Aaron Jones' TD output went down considerably there after.

Likewise, GB ran the ball out of necessity last year, but they don't want to be a running team. They want to put up points, and they want the offense to "click" for Love as it did Rodgers. To get there, they clearly needed a #1 WR, which is why they drafted Golden.

The offense was adjusted after that first year of Rodgers and LaFleur to include Rodgers strengths from previous years and the offense LaFleur wanted to run.

Every offense gets tweaked every year, but the biggest factor in Rodger's success in 2020 was being more comfortable in the outside zone blocking system. If you watched the games it was obvious, and Rodgers flat out said so in interviews. Furthermore, Matt Ryan said the same. Like Rodgers, Matt Ryan was mediocre the first year Kyle Shanahan installed the outside zone blocking system in Atlanta. And like Rodgers, Ryan took off his second year in that system, in 2016. They both won their first NFL MVP in their second year in that system. Pretty obvious to me LaFleur wants it to "click" for Love like it did Rodgers and Ryan, but also seems obvious Love needs a #1 WR to get there. Whether Golden becomes that "alpha" is tough to say, but I really don't think it's rocket science what GB is trying to achieve.

*that was Rodgers 3rd MVP season.

 

[bluemanfoo]

IMHO, Golden's comp is DeSean Jackson.

Also IMHO:

Love is an average to above average NFL QB, the offense is predicted on the run, Marshawn Lloyd is a capable backup RB, but not much more, and there are too many mouths to feed in a not-all-that-prolific passing game.

Buy:

Jayden Reed, in PPR, if he falls to a value pick.

Luke Musgrave for free on large roster/taxi squad formats (in case of injury break glass).

As much Josh Jacobs as you can possibly get your hands on. Golden, like everything else in GB, is more or less an enabler of Jacobs having a *monster* 2025.

At least that's how I see it, right now.

I don't think this offense is predicated on the run at all. I think they ran the ball last year, because the receivers stunk. Reed and Wicks were amongst the league leaders in drops. Watson was the only one getting separation but he's just not a #1.

For instance, in 2019, in LaFleur's first year, Rodgers was not comfortable in the outside zone blocking based offense. Rodgers threw 26 TDs, while Davante caught 5 TDs, and Aaron Jones scored 19 TDs. But they didn't want to be a running team. They ran out of necessity. In 2020, the zone based scheme "clicked" for Rodgers and he threw 48 TDs, Davante caught 18 TDs, and Aaron Jones' TD output went down considerably there after.

Likewise, GB ran the ball out of necessity last year, but they don't want to be a running team. They want to put up points, and they want the offense to "click" for Love as it did Rodgers. To get there, they clearly needed a #1 WR, which is why they drafted Golden.

The offense was adjusted after that first year of Rodgers and LaFleur to include Rodgers strengths from previous years and the offense LaFleur wanted to run.

Every offense gets tweaked every year, but the biggest factor in Rodger's success in 2020 was being more comfortable in the outside zone blocking system. If you watched the games it was obvious, and Rodgers flat out said so in interviews. Furthermore, Matt Ryan said the same. Like Rodgers, Matt Ryan was mediocre the first year Kyle Shanahan installed the outside zone blocking system in Atlanta. And like Rodgers, Ryan took off his second year in that system, in 2016. They both won their first NFL MVP in their second year in that system. Pretty obvious to me LaFleur wants it to "click" for Love like it did Rodgers and Ryan, but also seems obvious Love needs a #1 WR to get there. Whether Golden becomes that "alpha" is tough to say, but I really don't think it's rocket science what GB is trying to achieve.

*that was Rodgers 3rd MVP season.

My mistake, but my main points are still valid. Everyone thinks the Packers are a running team now, and I never once thought that's what LaFleur wants. They want the passing offense and Love to reach another level, and that was confirmed when they drafted Golden. I'm not sure if Golden is the #1 WR they are thirsting for, but they're trying...

 

[CletiusMaximus]

My thought is that if the Packers have a monster bell-cow season for anyone on offense - whether Jacobs or any one of the WRs - that means something has gone wrong with the plan. If LaFleur’s plan works as intended, fantasy players will (once again) hate the Packers offense because it will be week to week variance with no clear dominant fantasy player.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

My thought is that if the Packers have a monster bell-cow season for anyone on offense - whether Jacobs or any one of the WRs - that means something has gone wrong with the plan. If LaFleur’s plan works as intended, fantasy players will (once again) hate the Packers offense because it will be week to week variance with no clear dominant fantasy player.

Respectfully disagree.

I don't think LaFleur wants to run a stable of WRs out there every week. He'd gladly lean on an alpha 1 but I dont believe Golden is that caliber of player.

 

[JohnnyU]

My thought is that if the Packers have a monster bell-cow season for anyone on offense - whether Jacobs or any one of the WRs - that means something has gone wrong with the plan. If LaFleur’s plan works as intended, fantasy players will (once again) hate the Packers offense because it will be week to week variance with no clear dominant fantasy player.

Respectfully disagree.

I don't think LaFleur wants to run a stable of WRs out there every week. He'd gladly lean on an alpha 1 but I dont believe Golden is that caliber of player.

I also respectfully disagree.

I do think Golden will prove to be a very good WR1. I tried like hell to get him in my leagues and unfortunately was unsuccessful.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

IMHO, Golden's comp is DeSean Jackson.

Also IMHO:

Love is an average to above average NFL QB, the offense is predicted on the run, Marshawn Lloyd is a capable backup RB, but not much more, and there are too many mouths to feed in a not-all-that-prolific passing game.

Buy:

Jayden Reed, in PPR, if he falls to a value pick.

Luke Musgrave for free on large roster/taxi squad formats (in case of injury break glass).

As much Josh Jacobs as you can possibly get your hands on. Golden, like everything else in GB, is more or less an enabler of Jacobs having a *monster* 2025.

At least that's how I see it, right now.

I don't think this offense is predicated on the run at all. I think they ran the ball last year, because the receivers stunk. Reed and Wicks were amongst the league leaders in drops. Watson was the only one getting separation but he's just not a #1.

For instance, in 2019, in LaFleur's first year, Rodgers was not comfortable in the outside zone blocking based offense. Rodgers threw 26 TDs, while Davante caught 5 TDs, and Aaron Jones scored 19 TDs. But they didn't want to be a running team. They ran out of necessity. In 2020, the zone based scheme "clicked" for Rodgers and he threw 48 TDs, Davante caught 18 TDs, and Aaron Jones' TD output went down considerably there after.

Likewise, GB ran the ball out of necessity last year, but they don't want to be a running team. They want to put up points, and they want the offense to "click" for Love as it did Rodgers. To get there, they clearly needed a #1 WR, which is why they drafted Golden.

The offense was adjusted after that first year of Rodgers and LaFleur to include Rodgers strengths from previous years and the offense LaFleur wanted to run.

Every offense gets tweaked every year, but the biggest factor in Rodger's success in 2020 was being more comfortable in the outside zone blocking system. If you watched the games it was obvious, and Rodgers flat out said so in interviews. Furthermore, Matt Ryan said the same. Like Rodgers, Matt Ryan was mediocre the first year Kyle Shanahan installed the outside zone blocking system in Atlanta. And like Rodgers, Ryan took off his second year in that system, in 2016. They both won their first NFL MVP in their second year in that system. Pretty obvious to me LaFleur wants it to "click" for Love like it did Rodgers and Ryan, but also seems obvious Love needs a #1 WR to get there. Whether Golden becomes that "alpha" is tough to say, but I really don't think it's rocket science what GB is trying to achieve.

*that was Rodgers 3rd MVP season.

My mistake, but my main points are still valid. Everyone thinks the Packers are a running team now, and I never once thought that's what LaFleur wants. They want the passing offense and Love to reach another level, and that was confirmed when they drafted Golden. I'm not sure if Golden is the #1 WR they are thirsting for, but they're trying...

Do you think Shanahan / Niners are more of a running team or a passing team?

 

[socrates]

I trade my (I assume late) 2006 1st and a mid 2005 2nd to draft him @ #10

Generally not a big fan of giving up a future 1st unless it is for a difference maker

That said, if you can get him for two picks that are 20 years in the past, go for it

You are talking about potentially giving up Vernon Davis and Vincent Jackson. I dunno

 

[bluemanfoo]

IMHO, Golden's comp is DeSean Jackson.

Also IMHO:

Love is an average to above average NFL QB, the offense is predicted on the run, Marshawn Lloyd is a capable backup RB, but not much more, and there are too many mouths to feed in a not-all-that-prolific passing game.

Buy:

Jayden Reed, in PPR, if he falls to a value pick.

Luke Musgrave for free on large roster/taxi squad formats (in case of injury break glass).

As much Josh Jacobs as you can possibly get your hands on. Golden, like everything else in GB, is more or less an enabler of Jacobs having a *monster* 2025.

At least that's how I see it, right now.

I don't think this offense is predicated on the run at all. I think they ran the ball last year, because the receivers stunk. Reed and Wicks were amongst the league leaders in drops. Watson was the only one getting separation but he's just not a #1.

For instance, in 2019, in LaFleur's first year, Rodgers was not comfortable in the outside zone blocking based offense. Rodgers threw 26 TDs, while Davante caught 5 TDs, and Aaron Jones scored 19 TDs. But they didn't want to be a running team. They ran out of necessity. In 2020, the zone based scheme "clicked" for Rodgers and he threw 48 TDs, Davante caught 18 TDs, and Aaron Jones' TD output went down considerably there after.

Likewise, GB ran the ball out of necessity last year, but they don't want to be a running team. They want to put up points, and they want the offense to "click" for Love as it did Rodgers. To get there, they clearly needed a #1 WR, which is why they drafted Golden.

The offense was adjusted after that first year of Rodgers and LaFleur to include Rodgers strengths from previous years and the offense LaFleur wanted to run.

Every offense gets tweaked every year, but the biggest factor in Rodger's success in 2020 was being more comfortable in the outside zone blocking system. If you watched the games it was obvious, and Rodgers flat out said so in interviews. Furthermore, Matt Ryan said the same. Like Rodgers, Matt Ryan was mediocre the first year Kyle Shanahan installed the outside zone blocking system in Atlanta. And like Rodgers, Ryan took off his second year in that system, in 2016. They both won their first NFL MVP in their second year in that system. Pretty obvious to me LaFleur wants it to "click" for Love like it did Rodgers and Ryan, but also seems obvious Love needs a #1 WR to get there. Whether Golden becomes that "alpha" is tough to say, but I really don't think it's rocket science what GB is trying to achieve.

*that was Rodgers 3rd MVP season.

My mistake, but my main points are still valid. Everyone thinks the Packers are a running team now, and I never once thought that's what LaFleur wants. They want the passing offense and Love to reach another level, and that was confirmed when they drafted Golden. I'm not sure if Golden is the #1 WR they are thirsting for, but they're trying...

Do you think Shanahan / Niners are more of a running team or a passing team?

49ers have produced some great fantasy pass catchers (Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk), but they have been more of a running team. Their passing hasn't been quite as potent, but it's absolutely not for lack of trying. I mean, they traded for Garoppolo and gave him the highest contract at the time, by average salary. And we all remember the disastrous Trey Lance trade, with the 49ers trading three first round picks and a third rounder for what they thought would be their franchise QB.

 

[zamboni]

My thought is that if the Packers have a monster bell-cow season for anyone on offense - whether Jacobs or any one of the WRs - that means something has gone wrong with the plan. If LaFleur’s plan works as intended, fantasy players will (once again) hate the Packers offense because it will be week to week variance with no clear dominant fantasy player.

Respectfully disagree.

I don't think LaFleur wants to run a stable of WRs out there every week. He'd gladly lean on an alpha 1 but I dont believe Golden is that caliber of player.

Who knows if Golden can assume that true alpha position, but I'm definitely being cautious on it. To be sure, the Packers went against their own grain and drafted a WR in the 1st round. That certainly points to Golden likely have a big role, but it's not like they have a bunch of scrubs around him. Reed, Doubs, Kraft, Musgrave and Wicks (excluding Watson here due to injury) may not be world beaters, but they're all capable of earning targets. Golden may still be the #1 per se, but that status may be much different than other teams' #1 WR in terms of target share.

 

[Blick]

My thought is that if the Packers have a monster bell-cow season for anyone on offense - whether Jacobs or any one of the WRs - that means something has gone wrong with the plan. If LaFleur’s plan works as intended, fantasy players will (once again) hate the Packers offense because it will be week to week variance with no clear dominant fantasy player.

Respectfully disagree.

I don't think LaFleur wants to run a stable of WRs out there every week. He'd gladly lean on an alpha 1 but I dont believe Golden is that caliber of player.

Who knows if Golden can assume that true alpha position, but I'm definitely being cautious on it. To be sure, the Packers went against their own grain and drafted a WR in the 1st round. That certainly points to Golden likely have a big role, but it's not like they have a bunch of scrubs around him. Reed, Doubs, Kraft, Musgrave and Wicks (excluding Watson here due to injury) may not be world beaters, but they're all capable of earning targets. Golden may still be the #1 per se, but that status may be much different than other teams' #1 WR in terms of target share.

I think that if any of those listed were capable of earning targets they would have. Time will tell if Golden can fill the void of a bona fide WR1 to take pressure off of the rest of offense, but the opportunity to do so is there. Combined with the draft capital, I'm willing to take the risk and draft him higher than consensus.

 

[JohnnyU]

The thing about Golden that makes me think he’s a WR1 is that he’s a lot more than a deep threat. He will catch passes all over the field.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

My thought is that if the Packers have a monster bell-cow season for anyone on offense - whether Jacobs or any one of the WRs - that means something has gone wrong with the plan. If LaFleur’s plan works as intended, fantasy players will (once again) hate the Packers offense because it will be week to week variance with no clear dominant fantasy player.

Respectfully disagree.

I don't think LaFleur wants to run a stable of WRs out there every week. He'd gladly lean on an alpha 1 but I dont believe Golden is that caliber of player.

Who knows if Golden can assume that true alpha position, but I'm definitely being cautious on it. To be sure, the Packers went against their own grain and drafted a WR in the 1st round. That certainly points to Golden likely have a big role, but it's not like they have a bunch of scrubs around him. Reed, Doubs, Kraft, Musgrave and Wicks (excluding Watson here due to injury) may not be world beaters, but they're all capable of earning targets. Golden may still be the #1 per se, but that status may be much different than other teams' #1 WR in terms of target share.

I think that if any of those listed were capable of earning targets they would have. Time will tell if Golden can fill the void of a bona fide WR1 to take pressure off of the rest of offense, but the opportunity to do so is there. Combined with the draft capital, I'm willing to take the risk and draft him higher than consensus.

Where are you considering taking him?

 

[TripItUp]

Torn on Golden...not an ideal physique and the packers have a mediocre draft record. Love didn't exactly have a great year last year and there are a lot of other viable target options.

Probably passing on in most draft.

 

[Ilov80s]

The thing about Golden that makes me think he’s a WR1 is that he’s a lot more than a deep threat. He will catch passes all over the field.

Yes, he's got a full receiver game. No idea if he can translate to the NFL or if his small college sample is totally for real. But if he does translate, he's got a Stefon DIggs kind of game where he can work all over the field and be a primary target.

 

[JohnnyU]

The thing about Golden that makes me think he’s a WR1 is that he’s a lot more than a deep threat. He will catch passes all over the field.

Yes, he's got a full receiver game. No idea if he can translate to the NFL or if his small college sample is totally for real. But if he does translate, he's got a Stefon DIggs kind of game where he can work all over the field and be a primary target.

Good comp

 

[Blick]

My thought is that if the Packers have a monster bell-cow season for anyone on offense - whether Jacobs or any one of the WRs - that means something has gone wrong with the plan. If LaFleur’s plan works as intended, fantasy players will (once again) hate the Packers offense because it will be week to week variance with no clear dominant fantasy player.

Respectfully disagree.

I don't think LaFleur wants to run a stable of WRs out there every week. He'd gladly lean on an alpha 1 but I dont believe Golden is that caliber of player.

Who knows if Golden can assume that true alpha position, but I'm definitely being cautious on it. To be sure, the Packers went against their own grain and drafted a WR in the 1st round. That certainly points to Golden likely have a big role, but it's not like they have a bunch of scrubs around him. Reed, Doubs, Kraft, Musgrave and Wicks (excluding Watson here due to injury) may not be world beaters, but they're all capable of earning targets. Golden may still be the #1 per se, but that status may be much different than other teams' #1 WR in terms of target share.

I think that if any of those listed were capable of earning targets they would have. Time will tell if Golden can fill the void of a bona fide WR1 to take pressure off of the rest of offense, but the opportunity to do so is there. Combined with the draft capital, I'm willing to take the risk and draft him higher than consensus.

Where are you considering taking him?

I think I'd take Egbuka ahead of him, but not the TEs. So, 8.

 

[Faust]

WR Matthew Golden can 'play anywhere on the field' to help Packers 'go get that [Lombardi] Trophy'

 

[steelcityman]

Got my rookie draft in a couple weeks, Golden will be in play at 1.12, and I dont like that. I too would take Egbuka over him, but Golden before Burden. Strictly BPA, Harris and Higgins are in the mix as well. I would take Warren over most, maybe all of them. But we'll see. It only takes one odd ball pick to throw the draft lists up in the air.

 

[zamboni]

Notwithstanding his draft capital, as of now Golden IMO seems to have one of the widest potential range of outcomes among WRs. He could step forward as the primary target or just get lost among the myriad of other pass catchers on the roster. Hopefully training camp will shed a bit more light, but definitely managing my expectations for him in year 1.

 

[TripItUp]

Notwithstanding his draft capital, as of now Golden IMO seems to have one of the widest potential range of outcomes among WRs. He could step forward as the primary target or just get lost among the myriad of other pass catchers on the roster. Hopefully training camp will shed a bit more light, but definitely managing my expectations for him in year 1.

this is how I see it.

Anybody who pretends to know Golden's outcome this year is selling you something. Very much a wildcard IMHO.

 

[Faust]

Man in the mirror: Why Packers’ first-round pick Matthew Golden is making strong first impression

 

[Faust]

Rob Demovsky
And then on to first-round pick Matthew Golden:

https://x.com/robdemovsky/status/1948808847767851103?s=61

 

[JohnnyU]

I wanted a share, but it didn’t work out. Any of you in my leagues that have Golden, make me a fair offer.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Rob Demovsky
And then on to first-round pick Matthew Golden:

https://x.com/robdemovsky/status/1948808847767851103?s=61

Golden player comp is Bullet Bob Hayes…time to go to the tape to who that might be…

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Notwithstanding his draft capital, as of now Golden IMO seems to have one of the widest potential range of outcomes among WRs. He could step forward as the primary target or just get lost among the myriad of other pass catchers on the roster. Hopefully training camp will shed a bit more light, but definitely managing my expectations for him in year 1.

I believe people are vastly underrating Reed.

IMO he will continue to operate as the top FF points getter in this offense.

Golden certainly has a chance at relevance, but IMO he’s more likely to replace Walker & Doubs than impact Reed.

I have him behind Egbuka & Higgins for rookie drafts. But as has been said above, Golden has a wide spectrum of potential outcomes. He’s a physical specimen. But I don’t see him as much of a polished prospect as Higgins & Egbuka. Packers tend to be fairly run-heavy as well IIRC, especially in the RZ / at the stripe.

 

[JohnnyU]

Notwithstanding his draft capital, as of now Golden IMO seems to have one of the widest potential range of outcomes among WRs. He could step forward as the primary target or just get lost among the myriad of other pass catchers on the roster. Hopefully training camp will shed a bit more light, but definitely managing my expectations for him in year 1.

I believe people are vastly underrating Reed.

IMO he will continue to operate as the top FF points getter in this offense.

Golden certainly has a chance at relevance, but IMO he’s more likely to replace Walker & Doubs than impact Reed.

I have him behind Egbuka & Higgins for rookie drafts. But as has been said above, Golden has a wide spectrum of potential outcomes. He’s a physical specimen. But I don’t see him as much of a polished prospect as Higgins & Egbuka. Packers tend to be fairly run-heavy as well IIRC, especially in the RZ / at the stripe.

I bet he drops fewer passes

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I bet he drops fewer passes

Possibly. Reed could definitely improve there. I still think he’s underrated right now. The fact that I was able to take him (9.04) 5 picks after Golden (8.11) in a start-up seems a bit silly.

 

[Ilov80s]

Rob Demovsky
And then on to first-round pick Matthew Golden:

https://x.com/robdemovsky/status/1948808847767851103?s=61

Golden player comp is Bullet Bob Hayes…time to go to the tape to who that might be…

Olympic track star who ended up as a HOF Dallas receiver but I think the only real comparison is both wearing 22.

 

[Boston]

Rob Demovsky
And then on to first-round pick Matthew Golden:

https://x.com/robdemovsky/status/1948808847767851103?s=61

Golden player comp is Bullet Bob Hayes…time to go to the tape to who that might be…

Fascinating career in both track and football...part of NFL history:

Bob Hayes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JohnnyU]

Rob Demovsky
And then on to first-round pick Matthew Golden:

https://x.com/robdemovsky/status/1948808847767851103?s=61

Golden player comp is Bullet Bob Hayes…time to go to the tape to who that might be…

Fascinating guy...part of NFL history:

Bob Hayes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I’ve mentioned this before. In the Ice Bowl against the Packers they knew when Hayes wasn’t getting the ball, because he had his hands shoved inside his pants on his routes.

 

[Harjiran]

So many mouths to feed in GB ... not sure I have the patience for another boom-or-bust Jayden Reed type situation.

 

[sheerterror]

I bet he drops fewer passes

Possibly. Reed could definitely improve there. I still think he’s underrated right now. The fact that I was able to take him (9.04) 5 picks after Golden (8.11) in a start-up seems a bit silly.

This feels about right to me. In rookie drafts, Golden is going probably between 1.11-2.4ish? I can't see Reed being worth much more than a pick in that range. I actually don't think anyone would buy him for a late 1st right now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I bet he drops fewer passes

Possibly. Reed could definitely improve there. I still think he’s underrated right now. The fact that I was able to take him (9.04) 5 picks after Golden (8.11) in a start-up seems a bit silly.

This feels about right to me. In rookie drafts, Golden is going probably between 1.11-2.4ish? I can't see Reed being worth much more than a pick in that range. I actually don't think anyone would buy him for a late 1st right now.

Which, back to my original comment, I believe will prove to be a criminal underrating of Reed.

We’ll see I guess. Reed’s been more than solid the 1st 2 years. He might well be the best buy-low WR in FF right now.

Guess we’ll find out. I’m planting my flag on Reed.

 

[travdogg]

I bet he drops fewer passes

Possibly. Reed could definitely improve there. I still think he’s underrated right now. The fact that I was able to take him (9.04) 5 picks after Golden (8.11) in a start-up seems a bit silly.

I'm really on the other side of both of those guys. I think Golden should be going like 5 rounds before Reed. I think you a bit for Reed but absolutely stole Golden who I'd be ok with about 3 rounds earlier than you got him.

I don't really get the Reed optimism. GB was dying for someone to step up and be the #1, and they seemed completely opposed to it being Reed, who never really graduated from his slot/gadget role. He's a good YAC guy with ok route running ability, but dude was on a 49-566-6 pace if you just take out 2 games, the week 1 game in Brazil where neither defense had any traction, and the Vikings game where GB was instantly down 28-0 and Love threw 54 passes (10 more than any other game in his career) with an entire half of catchup mode.

I see Reed as a decent WR5 to have, with Golden more in the WR3 range.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I bet he drops fewer passes

Possibly. Reed could definitely improve there. I still think he’s underrated right now. The fact that I was able to take him (9.04) 5 picks after Golden (8.11) in a start-up seems a bit silly.

I'm really on the other side of both of those guys. I think Golden should be going like 5 rounds before Reed. I think you a bit for Reed but absolutely stole Golden who I'd be ok with about 3 rounds earlier than you got him.

I don't really get the Reed optimism. GB was dying for someone to step up and be the #1, and they seemed completely opposed to it being Reed, who never really graduated from his slot/gadget role. He's a good YAC guy with ok route running ability, but dude was on a 49-566-6 pace if you just take out 2 games, the week 1 game in Brazil where neither defense had any traction, and the Vikings game where GB was instantly down 28-0 and Love threw 54 passes (10 more than any other game in his career) with an entire half of catchup mode.

I see Reed as a decent WR5 to have, with Golden more in the WR3 range.

I didn’t take Golden. He was picked 5 spots before my Reed pick. Sorry if that was unclear.

 

[travdogg]

I bet he drops fewer passes

Possibly. Reed could definitely improve there. I still think he’s underrated right now. The fact that I was able to take him (9.04) 5 picks after Golden (8.11) in a start-up seems a bit silly.

I'm really on the other side of both of those guys. I think Golden should be going like 5 rounds before Reed. I think you a bit for Reed but absolutely stole Golden who I'd be ok with about 3 rounds earlier than you got him.

I don't really get the Reed optimism. GB was dying for someone to step up and be the #1, and they seemed completely opposed to it being Reed, who never really graduated from his slot/gadget role. He's a good YAC guy with ok route running ability, but dude was on a 49-566-6 pace if you just take out 2 games, the week 1 game in Brazil where neither defense had any traction, and the Vikings game where GB was instantly down 28-0 and Love threw 54 passes (10 more than any other game in his career) with an entire half of catchup mode.

I see Reed as a decent WR5 to have, with Golden more in the WR3 range.

I didn’t take Golden. He was picked 5 spots before my Reed pick. Sorry if that was unclear.

Ah, yeah, I misread that.

 

[(HULK)]

So many mouths to feed in GB ... not sure I have the patience for another boom-or-bust Jayden Reed type situation.

I hate this description of the situation. There are the same number of WRs on GB as there are on the 31 other teams. GB's WRs are all mid, at best. Reed is the only one that has defined a specific role for himself, and even he drops the ball a lot.

Bottom line, if Golden is actually good, there will be no other mouths to feed. If Golden is mid, then yeah, he'll be lined up at the same trough as the rest of the other mid mouths they have. But that's the thing, it's about Golden and not about these other players at all.

 

[Harjiran]

So many mouths to feed in GB ... not sure I have the patience for another boom-or-bust Jayden Reed type situation.

I hate this description of the situation. There are the same number of WRs on GB as there are on the 31 other teams. GB's WRs are all mid, at best. Reed is the only one that has defined a specific role for himself, and even he drops the ball a lot.

Bottom line, if Golden is actually good, there will be no other mouths to feed. If Golden is mid, then yeah, he'll be lined up at the same trough as the rest of the other mid mouths they have. But that's the thing, it's about Golden and not about these other players at all.

Yeah I get what you're saying but I'm still wary of the situation in GB - I really like Jayden Reed's game and I suspect he'd be featured more on other teams. It's been frustrating to own Reed and watch other players like Doubs, Wicks, Watson, Kraft etc blow up week to week - GB just seems to spread the ball around. Maybe it'll be different with Golden but based on my personal experience, I'll probably avoid him unless the the value is just too good to pass up.

 

[Harjiran]

Don't sleep on Savion Williams either - he was one of my rookie WR sleepers this year ... until he landed with GB.

 

[Ilov80s]

So many mouths to feed in GB ... not sure I have the patience for another boom-or-bust Jayden Reed type situation.

I hate this description of the situation. There are the same number of WRs on GB as there are on the 31 other teams. GB's WRs are all mid, at best. Reed is the only one that has defined a specific role for himself, and even he drops the ball a lot.

Bottom line, if Golden is actually good, there will be no other mouths to feed. If Golden is mid, then yeah, he'll be lined up at the same trough as the rest of the other mid mouths they have. But that's the thing, it's about Golden and not about these other players at all.

I agree with this. I don’t think GB has some scheme that says they don’t want to overly feature a single WR. If Golden plays like a first round pick then he’s going to get featured. I doubt if AJ Brown was traded there the coaches wouldn’t be like “sure AJ is a playmaker but we can’t take away touches from Doubs and Wicks”.

 

[Bronco Billy]

Green Bay’s passing game philosophy is that they do not target specific players but rather that they exploit mismatches. That’s why you see different players getting attention each week. They expose the D’s weakness and then pound it. That’s different from week to week.

If you’re looking to roster GB receivers in anything other than best ball, you need to recognize first that you aren’t going to get consistency week to week, meaning that they can’t be your WR1 or TE1, maybe even WR2. Then if you do have them you need to find the guys most capable of exploiting D matchups. To me that means Reed, Kraft and now quite possibly Golden. Geez that kid made just a sweet catch and toe tap on a fade in the end zone a couple days ago. That was seriously big league stuff - now, is it repeatable?

 

[Ilov80s]

Green Bay’s passing game philosophy is that they do not target specific players but rather that they exploit mismatches. That’s why you see different players getting attention each week. They expose the D’s weakness and then pound it. That’s different from week to week.

If you’re looking to roster GB receivers in anything other than best ball, you need to recognize first that you aren’t going to get consistency week to week, meaning that they can’t be your WR1 or TE1, maybe even WR2. Then if you do have them you need to find the guys most capable of exploiting D matchups. To me that means Reed, Kraft and now quite possibly Golden. Geez that kid made just a sweet catch and toe tap on a fade in the end zone a couple days ago. That was seriously big league stuff - now, is it repeatable?

I agree with the thought here on what GB's philosophy is but I will also add if you have a true Pro Bow caliber WR (which the GB expects Golden to be based on what they spent on him and their history) then he's probably the best match-up week after week.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

So many mouths to feed in GB ... not sure I have the patience for another boom-or-bust Jayden Reed type situation.

I hate this description of the situation. There are the same number of WRs on GB as there are on the 31 other teams. GB's WRs are all mid, at best. Reed is the only one that has defined a specific role for himself, and even he drops the ball a lot.

Bottom line, if Golden is actually good, there will be no other mouths to feed. If Golden is mid, then yeah, he'll be lined up at the same trough as the rest of the other mid mouths they have. But that's the thing, it's about Golden and not about these other players at all.

I agree with this. I don’t think GB has some scheme that says they don’t want to overly feature a single WR. If Golden plays like a first round pick then he’s going to get featured. I doubt if AJ Brown was traded there the coaches wouldn’t be like “sure AJ is a playmaker but we can’t take away touches from Doubs and Wicks”.

Agree also.

Green Bay has a wr room of 2s and 3s. In the past when they had studs they got the ball and were featured, Sharpe, Brooks, Freeman, Driver, Jennings, Nelson, Adams. New regime from the old names, but I'll stick with Adams for the current staff and point to his alpha status for the team as well as the league.

If Golden justifies the first round grade with his play he'll get featured like all the rest, if not the wack a mole continues.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

WR1 is purely a fantasy football concept. Some teams have a clear #1 WR, but is that a goal every team should have? Why would any coach or OC build a team that features a big gap from his best to his second, third or fourth guy? It seems counterproductive to me to announce to the defense who your first read will be every time the QB drops back, or where the ball is going on a crucial 3rd and long. It seems much more effective to run 4 or 5 options across the board who can all play, rather than featuring one guy week to week.

Matt LaFleur: "I want to vomit every time I hear 'No. 1 receiver,' to be honest with you." "It drives me crazy. That's something that you guys talk about. I feel like we've got a bunch of 'em." He's going to continue doing what he's done - play matchups and design gameplans that are unpredictable.

If Golden has a monster rookie season, he'll probably lead the Packers in recepetions/yards/td's in 3-4 weeks out of 17. Reed, Wicks, Doubs and Kraft will lead the team 2-3 games each if LaFleur's offense is working. I'm also not counting out Watson as seems to be the common wisdom. He's the best of all of them when healthy. Draft any of these guys at your peril. If it were me, I'd stick with Jacobs and Love from this offense and leave the WR's to someone else, unless one of them drops so far you can't say no.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

WR1 is purely a fantasy football concept. Some teams have a clear #1 WR, but is that a goal every team should have? Why would any coach or OC build a team that features a big gap from his best to his second, third or fourth guy? It seems counterproductive to me to announce to the defense who your first read will be every time the QB drops back, or where the ball is going on a crucial 3rd and long. It seems much more effective to run 4 or 5 options across the board who can all play, rather than featuring one guy week to week.

Matt LaFleur: "I want to vomit every time I hear 'No. 1 receiver,' to be honest with you." "It drives me crazy. That's something that you guys talk about. I feel like we've got a bunch of 'em." He's going to continue doing what he's done - play matchups and design gameplans that are unpredictable.

If Golden has a monster rookie season, he'll probably lead the Packers in recepetions/yards/td's in 3-4 weeks out of 17. Reed, Wicks, Doubs and Kraft will lead the team 2-3 games each if LaFleur's offense is working. I'm also not counting out Watson as seems to be the common wisdom. He's the best of all of them when healthy. Draft any of these guys at your peril. If it were me, I'd stick with Jacobs and Love from this offense and leave the WR's to someone else, unless one of them drops so far you can't say no.

The drops though. This wr group has to catch the ball, which has been pretty suspect. If Golden can be what they expect him to be and hang on to the ball I'd expect him to get extra looks.

I'm not writing anyone off as it's a young group, but i think there's reason to believe an alpha can emerge here. We saw the drops with Adams and know how that turned. I mean Wicks knows how to get open, but catching is an issue.

They're all good, but if one turns out better than good it's worth the gamble at the right price. I'd be willing to gamble on Golden as that player.