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WR Mecole Hardman, KC (1 Viewer)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Color me skeptical. He’s had opportunities. He’s not lived up to his potential. Even when Watkins missed significant time, Hardman didn’t really impress.
Last year he had one game over 4 receptions (7/96/1). Not very efficient often with some 9 target, 3 reception games.
Both he & Demarcus Robinson have been disappointing when given opportunities.
It’s possible I guess, but I’m not holding my breath on either of those guys.
foxco
Footballguy
I agree for the most part, but I picked him up as an end of the bench type in 1 league where I had room. I'd put the odds of him developing at about 10-15% but it's a worth a shot to get a piece of that offense on the cheap.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh I wouldn’t pass on him if he was a FA or cheap toss-in to a trade. Same reason I spent a 3.09 pick on Byron Pringle in my recent draft. If one of Hardman. Pringle or Robinson hits as that reliable 3rd target, it’ll be a low risk high reward jackpot.
definitely worth chasing, but likely to disappoint. Worst case is probably most likely, in that it’ll be a mess of all 3 eating into each other’s production.
would be nice to see one emerge though.
foxco
Footballguy
Have Pringle in another league so hoping it's one of those two and not Robinson lol
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I fear Hardman, Pringle, Robinson, rookie TE Noah, more receptions to RBs will dilute the production of all of the previously mentioned. Kelce and Hill will eat, the others will fight for scraps. They all could have some decent outings but too sporadic to predict when without injuries occurring.
I think one of the issues is that the Chiefs drafted Hardman when they thought Tyreek might be suspended and miss a significant amount of time. Hardman and Tyreek have somewhat similar skill sets (obviously Tyreek's is much more highly developed) and he may be viewed as redundant in the offense unless/until he shows that he can be a more well-rounded receiver. The fact that he had 8 receptions for 66 yards in 3 playoff games last year has to be telling. With all of that said, he only just turned 23 in March and the fact remains that he's in one of the most potent offenses in the NFL. The upside is still there but paying for it isn't a good bet.
I'm looking to buy low on Hardman. We always knew he was a raw WR project coming into the league. Look at everything going in his favor this season:
1.) 3rd Year - WR Breakout
2.) Sammy Watkins leaving equals more targets.
3.) If Tyreek gets hurt, he slots into that portion of the offense.
I can see how if you held him on your roster for 2 years and has been pretty much unstartable, that you would be sick of him. But he's at worst, a decent FLEX bye week filler hoping he catches in a deep one (bonus if you get PR TD). One of the better WR lottery tickets you can buy, imo.
At least you know the QB play will be there.
1.) 3rd Year - WR Breakout
2.) Sammy Watkins leaving equals more targets.
3.) If Tyreek gets hurt, he slots into that portion of the offense.
I can see how if you held him on your roster for 2 years and has been pretty much unstartable, that you would be sick of him. But he's at worst, a decent FLEX bye week filler hoping he catches in a deep one (bonus if you get PR TD). One of the better WR lottery tickets you can buy, imo.
At least you know the QB play will be there.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I agree with they were influenced by a possible Hill suspension when drafting Hardman. They wanted speed. I don’t think many people realize how rare of an athlete Hill actually is. Not only is he equipped with elite speed, dude is twitchy and strong as s. There are few in the history of the game constructed like him. Hardman by no means is in his ballpark with exception to straight line speed. Which comes back to your original point…they were desperate to ensure they had that option on the field when the Hill saga was going on. In the end I believe Hardman is what he is, a guy with rare speed who can help an offense if put in the right position to do so. However if Hill got inured I still don’t think we are looking to Hardman to get much more than half of what Hill produces.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
He will have his chances...can he consistently produce? Guess we'll know this fall. I own stock, and certainly see no reason to sell now (ham sandwhich at best) but he's a nice swing for the fences player at the end of your roster. I'll be cheering for him but not holding my breath.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agree. At this point all three of Byron Pringle, Demarcus Robinson, and Hardman are worth holding onto as a dart throw to see if one of them emerges.
It may well be, as others have suggested, that they all eat into each others production and it’s a mess.
But if one emerges as the reliable third receiver, Jackpot.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
nightmare
Footballguy
He's Mahommes fourth option. CEH will improve upon his 55 targets versus Hardman's 62.
Hill, Kelce, CEH, then the cluster of Hardman, Robinson, Pringle, and if you believe the latest training camp
new, N Grey will have more action.
Not sure that role necessarily equates to a "breakout season" as there are so many mouths to feed in that offense but he should see an uptick from last year.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Mecole Hardman hasn’t shown that he’s capable of handling an every-down role at receiver in the NFL. He is a rare athlete capable of ripping off a big play, but his size and rawness have kept him out of the lineup — Hardman only ran a route on 20-of-61 dropbacks in the Super Bowl and 17-of-40 in the AFC Championship last year. In addition to the playing time woes, 30% of Hardman’s receptions came on jet sweeps or screens.
Looking at YPRR, Hardman was 87th (of 97 WRs who had met the minimum 100 RR) versus man coverage. He has shown no ability to be anything more than a gadget guy.
IMO
Looking at YPRR, Hardman was 87th (of 97 WRs who had met the minimum 100 RR) versus man coverage. He has shown no ability to be anything more than a gadget guy.
IMO
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
guess I wouldn't really say there are a ton of mouths to feed in KC....there are only two right now really....KC could use somebody to step and be what Sammy Watkins was supposed to be but never was....right now it's a rotating door after Hill/Kelce....its there for somebody to snag, but good chance it ends up being a committee...
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
Hill was considered a gadget guy as well....but developed.....and has just raw skills that few have, so the development skyrocketed....maybe with a little more time Hardman could develop into a decent WR2/3 type guy....Robinson could also develop a little more and seems to have more of the look of a WR2.....and Pringle/Powell are getting a little love....but again it has the smell of committee....
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I see it as Kelce and Hill getting a ton of volume, obviously, and I think CEH will get his fair share, too. He was a good receiver in college and I think he'll get more targets this year. And Mahomes is good at spreading it around - you have Pringle and Robinson, who he trusts and I'm interested in Powell, too. You have to remember that the Chiefs drafted Hardman when they thought Hill was going to miss a substantial amount of time. They have somewhat similar profiles (with Hill obviously being a far superior talent) - I don't think Hardman can step into the Watkins role; such different skill sets. But I think you're right that various players will get their share after Kelce, Hill, and CEH. I just don't buy the talk that Hardman will ascend and become the Chiefs WR2, at least not in a way that translates into reliable fantasy production.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Hardman is never going to be their X. I presume the writer meant he’ll play more Z snaps in 11 formations (81% of KC PA came fm 3WR sets.)TS Garp said:
Powell has the best skills/body type to develops into the X. Doesn’t check a lot of breakout boxes but they drafted him with a specific role in my mind; he’s a better fit in that role than the other three scrubs. Being different isn’t enough to tilt the scales but it wouldn’t be too shocking if he starts accumulating snap counts. But outside of the two superstars and CEH it’s difficult to envision anyone getting consistent targets in 2021.
nittanylion
Footballguy
More of this 'Sammy Watkins role' nonsense. People should pin this Thread as a reminder of what goes on in July between OTA's and Training Camp. Reporters with time on their hands, who need to write something...write something.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, having déjà vu reading that blurb. Didn't he go into camp last year as the WR2 opposite Hill? Or was that the year before?
I like the phrasing “enters camp as” - they know the competition is wide open, but they want to make fetch happen.
The Frankman
Footballguy
He does this every offseason where he gets hyped up in July and by December he's behind Byron Pringle/Demarcus Robinson/etc. and Mahomes looks like he wants to chew him out for a bad drop/bad route run.
For all his mouthwatering speed, he just doesn't have WR instincts yet and compounds that with questionable hands/mental mistakes. He's a homeless man's Tyreek Hill on the roster with Hill already on the team and doesn't give you any size either, but you'll always see his name come up because he's dirt cheap in drafts.
For all his mouthwatering speed, he just doesn't have WR instincts yet and compounds that with questionable hands/mental mistakes. He's a homeless man's Tyreek Hill on the roster with Hill already on the team and doesn't give you any size either, but you'll always see his name come up because he's dirt cheap in drafts.
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Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
I was aboard this train once. Then I got off. I'm surprised it's still going.
Faust
MVP
https://twitter.com/chiefs/status/1423431332546351108?s=21Kansas City Chiefs @Chiefs
"Hardman has an opportunity to earn a larger role on offense this season as he enters his third campaign as a professional, and at least so far, the former second-round pick has been impressive."
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Camp hype or is he actually making strides? Wish I would have bought low end of season last year, thinking I missed a window.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Back shoulder at his feet. Well done.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Bald Bull
Footballguy
Hardman is on my bench and very close to the waiver wire. Others on my roster ahead of him are Robby Anderson, Callaway, and Mooney. Hardman has had his chances and he just doesn't perform.
GoBirds
Footballguy
You think he is bottom of the list of the ones you mentioned? Such a bummer he can't capitalize on a great situation.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Bald Bull
Footballguy
After Mooney's game. Yes! But to be honest Callaway and Anderson hasn't done much this season, but Anderson has shown the ability to flash big games.
HW_53
Footballguy
I'm with you and totally understand what you're saying here.. I am getting to the point though, where I am beginning to ask myself, why can't he be dropped.. He hasn't made an impression here in his 3rd year, and, for whatever reason, Mahomes seems less than thrilled with this guy.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
with bye weeks approaching......that is about the only thing keeping him in the conversation for owners who run into injury/bye week issues....a WTH desperation flex maybe....gotta see how Gordon fits in too..
The Frankman
Footballguy
#MecoleMistake
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