WR Mike Evans, TB (1 Viewer)

[massraider]

It’s officially #OverstatedContractValue season.

It happens every year. Agents do new contracts. They text the basic details to a small group of reporters. The reporters engage in a thumb race to X, communicating the numbers as gospel.

Within a day or two, the truth puts its pants on.

This year, it started with Bucs receiver Mike Evans. Two years, $52 million! $35 million guaranteed!

It’s actually, we’re told, a two-year, $41 million deal. The other $11 million comes in the form of incentives and escalators.


The deal pays out $23 million fully guaranteed in 2024. He’s due to make $18 million in 2025. Of that amount, $6 million is fully guaranteed and $6 million is guaranteed for injury.

So it’s a $20.5 million deal, not a $26 million contract. And it has $29 million fully guaranteed at signing.

 

[Grahamburn]

Separation is overrated when you're 6'4, with long arms, and can jump out of the gym. Evans is always open.

If that's your criteria, so be it. I'll respectfully disagree. We'll see who is right in a couple of years.

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The man is just so good.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I traded away Evans for a 1st & a 2nd 2 years ago because I thought he was nearing the end.

Better a year early than a year late, right?

I’m an idiot.

 

[eighsse2]

Separation is overrated when you're 6'4, with long arms, and can jump out of the gym. Evans is always open.

If that's your criteria, so be it. I'll respectfully disagree. We'll see who is right in a couple of years.

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The man is just so good.

Tried to figure out what Air EPA is. Odd statistic. Basically takes whatever the receiver actually did after the catch out of the equation and says, "let's just assume he did what's expected" and then calculates points added. If I understand correctly.

 

[Faust]

@32BeatWriters
“Mayfield found Evans several times in the end zone during goal-line drills. It didn’t matter who was covering him or how many people were on Evans, if all else failed, Mayfield was looking his way.
Last Thursday’s practice didn’t see as many red zone opportunities but the 11-on-11s at midfield had the same result of Mayfield to Evans. On several plays, Mayfield was looking in another direction, but as soon as he turned his head in the other direction, the ball was coming out and going to Evans because he knew where he was going to be and that he was open.”

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[Grahamburn]

You ever read the first few pages of a 10 year old thread on a Hall of Fame Player?

This is a fun one to do it on. Love you, Mike.

 

[BobbyLayne]

You ever read the first few pages of a 10 year old thread on a Hall of Fame Player?

This is a fun one to do it on. Love you, Mike.

Turned 31 yesterday. A birthday tribute....

• 782 REC
• 11,680 YDS
• 94 TD
• Co-Led NFL in Rec TD in 2023
• ONLY player in NFL history to start career with 10 straight seasons of 1,000+ yards (and 9 straight...and 8 straight...and 7 straight...)
  
  Youngest player in NFL history to reach…
  
  
• 200 yards in a single game
• 5 seasons of 1,000 yards
• 6 seasons of 1,000 yards
• 6,000 career yards
• 7,000 career yards
  
  Holds 13 Tampa Bay Buccaneer franchise records which include:
  
  
• Most Rec TD as a rookie (12)
• Most Rec TD in career (94)
• Most Rec yards in a season (1,524)
• Most Rec TD in a season (14)

 

[BIRDGANG52]

Last year he was undervalued and I drafted him. This year he is overdrafted and I will not. Chris Godwin is my guy. Evans will probably do exactly what he's done his entire career, but I'm not here to get production relevant to ADP. I'm looking for a discount.

He'll produce but it won't provide you exceptional value relative to his draft position.

 

[Grahamburn]

Last year he was undervalued and I drafted him. This year he is overdrafted and I will not. Chris Godwin is my guy. Evans will probably do exactly what he's done his entire career, but I'm not here to get production relevant to ADP. I'm looking for a discount.

He'll produce but it won't provide you exceptional value relative to his draft position.

For some reason consistency just isn't sexy? 1,000+ yards guaranteed. Probably 10+ TDs. Ho hum that's boring. Mike Evans has been undervalued his entire career. This year probably isn't any different. How many WRs are going in front of him? I bet several guys that are currently holding out are. Mike took less money this off-season and has been working with Baker getting their game even tighter than it was last year. Avoid at your own peril.

But, I love Chris too. He's going to have a big year.

 

[FarFromHome]

Death. Taxes. Mike Evans. One of the rare guys I have actually never owned a share of. He will always be the guy that eliminated me week 17, 2022, against Carolina. I lost by 2 and that game still stings.

 

[need2know]

Took him end of round 2 as my wr1.

 

[Anarchy99]

Oddly enough, the metrics at PFR don't love him. Based on HOF Monitor score, he's their 53rd ranked WR with a score of 60.80. The average score for a HOF WR is 101.40. Of guys that played at any point past 1980, the next closest HOFer would be John Stallworth at 69.42. For guys that made it into the HOF that played at any point in 2000 or later, the next closest HOF WR would be Andre Reed at 82.41. Players that played in 2023 that are graded above him are Julio Jones (108.60), Tyreek Hill (82.67), DeAndre Hopkins (71.19), and Davante Adams (63.88). Let the heated commentary from the gallery commence . . .

 

[Grahamburn]

Oddly enough, the metrics at PFR don't love him. Based on HOF Monitor score, he's their 53rd ranked WR with a score of 60.80. The average score for a HOF WR is 101.40. Of guys that played at any point past 1980, the next closest HOFer would be John Stallworth at 69.42. For guys that made it into the HOF that played at any point in 2000 or later, the next closest HOF WR would be Andre Reed at 82.41. Players that played in 2023 that are graded above him are Julio Jones (108.60), Tyreek Hill (82.67), DeAndre Hopkins (71.19), and Davante Adams (63.88). Let the heated commentary from the gallery commence . . .

Currently 33rd all time in yards. If he just gets his standard 1,000 the next two years and retires he’ll be top 20 all time. And that’s if he retires. I don’t think he’ll have to if he wants to play.

Currently 13th all time in TDs. 10 more puts him top 10 and every single one of those guys are in.

He’s won the big one. This is only his 10th season. I don’t know how you’d argue against him?

 

[joey]

Death. Taxes. Mike Evans. One of the rare guys I have actually never owned a share of. He will always be the guy that eliminated me week 17, 2022, against Carolina. I lost by 2 and that game still stings.

You mean the game where Evans helped me win one of my back-to-back ‘Chips in the SharkPool FFPC dynasty league?
Yeah, I remember that game! Thanks Mike Evans!

 

[FarFromHome]

Death. Taxes. Mike Evans. One of the rare guys I have actually never owned a share of. He will always be the guy that eliminated me week 17, 2022, against Carolina. I lost by 2 and that game still stings.

You mean the game where Evans helped me win one of my back-to-back ‘Chips in the SharkPool FFPC dynasty league?
Yeah, I remember that game! Thanks Mike Evans!

Yep. U remember. Ha ha

 

[Anarchy99]

Oddly enough, the metrics at PFR don't love him. Based on HOF Monitor score, he's their 53rd ranked WR with a score of 60.80. The average score for a HOF WR is 101.40. Of guys that played at any point past 1980, the next closest HOFer would be John Stallworth at 69.42. For guys that made it into the HOF that played at any point in 2000 or later, the next closest HOF WR would be Andre Reed at 82.41. Players that played in 2023 that are graded above him are Julio Jones (108.60), Tyreek Hill (82.67), DeAndre Hopkins (71.19), and Davante Adams (63.88). Let the heated commentary from the gallery commence . . .

Currently 33rd all time in yards. If he just gets his standard 1,000 the next two years and retires he’ll be top 20 all time. And that’s if he retires. I don’t think he’ll have to if he wants to play.

Currently 13th all time in TDs. 10 more puts him top 10 and every single one of those guys are in.

He’s won the big one. This is only his 10th season. I don’t know how you’d argue against him?

The methodology for HOF Monitor score rewards things like All-Pro selections and Pro Bowls. Evans hasn't been a 1st team All-Pro and has had 5 years where he wasn't a Pro Bowler. For whatever reasons, the formula / algorithm doesn't love him. His career totals are excellent, but his career highs / best seasons aren't as high as other guys (no season in the Top 100 seasons for receptions, best season in yardage is 45th, best season in TDs is 37th). An argument could be made that he is a compiler (ie, strung together many above average to very good seasons but few elite ones), and his career totals will end up near the top of several key categories.

 

[Grahamburn]

Oddly enough, the metrics at PFR don't love him. Based on HOF Monitor score, he's their 53rd ranked WR with a score of 60.80. The average score for a HOF WR is 101.40. Of guys that played at any point past 1980, the next closest HOFer would be John Stallworth at 69.42. For guys that made it into the HOF that played at any point in 2000 or later, the next closest HOF WR would be Andre Reed at 82.41. Players that played in 2023 that are graded above him are Julio Jones (108.60), Tyreek Hill (82.67), DeAndre Hopkins (71.19), and Davante Adams (63.88). Let the heated commentary from the gallery commence . . .

Currently 33rd all time in yards. If he just gets his standard 1,000 the next two years and retires he’ll be top 20 all time. And that’s if he retires. I don’t think he’ll have to if he wants to play.

Currently 13th all time in TDs. 10 more puts him top 10 and every single one of those guys are in.

He’s won the big one. This is only his 10th season. I don’t know how you’d argue against him?

The methodology for HOF Monitor score rewards things like All-Pro selections and Pro Bowls. Evans hasn't been a 1st team All-Pro and has had 5 years where he wasn't a Pro Bowler. For whatever reasons, the formula / algorithm doesn't love him. His career totals are excellent, but his career highs / best seasons aren't as high as other guys (no season in the Top 100 seasons for receptions, best season in yardage is 45th, best season in TDs is 37th). An argument could be made that he is a compiler (ie, strung together many above average to very good seasons but few elite ones), and his career totals will end up near the top of several key categories.

Like I said. He has been overlooked and undervalued his entire career. Consistency is boring. I guess? If that metric is valuing Pro Bowls maybe we shouldn’t use it?

He puts together a couple 1,200 yard seasons and he’s ahead of Cris Carter bordering on top 10 all time in yards. In just 11 seasons played. All the guys in the top 10 did it in 12 years or more. CC played 15.

These other guys aren’t “compilers?”

He was tied for the most receiving TDs in the NFL last year. Not elite?

 

[joey]

Oddly enough, the metrics at PFR don't love him. Based on HOF Monitor score, he's their 53rd ranked WR with a score of 60.80. The average score for a HOF WR is 101.40. Of guys that played at any point past 1980, the next closest HOFer would be John Stallworth at 69.42. For guys that made it into the HOF that played at any point in 2000 or later, the next closest HOF WR would be Andre Reed at 82.41. Players that played in 2023 that are graded above him are Julio Jones (108.60), Tyreek Hill (82.67), DeAndre Hopkins (71.19), and Davante Adams (63.88). Let the heated commentary from the gallery commence . . .

Currently 33rd all time in yards. If he just gets his standard 1,000 the next two years and retires he’ll be top 20 all time. And that’s if he retires. I don’t think he’ll have to if he wants to play.

Currently 13th all time in TDs. 10 more puts him top 10 and every single one of those guys are in.

He’s won the big one. This is only his 10th season. I don’t know how you’d argue against him?

The methodology for HOF Monitor score rewards things like All-Pro selections and Pro Bowls. Evans hasn't been a 1st team All-Pro and has had 5 years where he wasn't a Pro Bowler. For whatever reasons, the formula / algorithm doesn't love him. His career totals are excellent, but his career highs / best seasons aren't as high as other guys (no season in the Top 100 seasons for receptions, best season in yardage is 45th, best season in TDs is 37th). An argument could be made that he is a compiler (ie, strung together many above average to very good seasons but few elite ones), and his career totals will end up near the top of several key categories.

Like I said. He has been overlooked and undervalued his entire career. Consistency is boring. I guess? If that metric is valuing Pro Bowls maybe we shouldn’t use it?

He puts together a couple 1,200 yard seasons and he’s ahead of Cris Carter bordering on top 10 all time in yards. In just 11 seasons played. All the guys in the top 10 did it in 12 years or more. CC played 15.

These other guys aren’t “compilers?”

He was tied for the most receiving TDs in the NFL last year. Not elite?

Hell, he’s even a SECOND round target for me (picking from the 6 slot in my long time redraft league) depending on which other options I have at 2.7.

 

[massraider]

You ever read the first few pages of a 10 year old thread on a Hall of Fame Player?

This is a fun one to do it on. Love you, Mike.

Bummer the "convert to TE" movement never gained any traction.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Oddly enough, the metrics at PFR don't love him. Based on HOF Monitor score, he's their 53rd ranked WR with a score of 60.80. The average score for a HOF WR is 101.40. Of guys that played at any point past 1980, the next closest HOFer would be John Stallworth at 69.42. For guys that made it into the HOF that played at any point in 2000 or later, the next closest HOF WR would be Andre Reed at 82.41. Players that played in 2023 that are graded above him are Julio Jones (108.60), Tyreek Hill (82.67), DeAndre Hopkins (71.19), and Davante Adams (63.88). Let the heated commentary from the gallery commence . . .

Currently 33rd all time in yards. If he just gets his standard 1,000 the next two years and retires he’ll be top 20 all time. And that’s if he retires. I don’t think he’ll have to if he wants to play.

Currently 13th all time in TDs. 10 more puts him top 10 and every single one of those guys are in.

He’s won the big one. This is only his 10th season. I don’t know how you’d argue against him?

The methodology for HOF Monitor score rewards things like All-Pro selections and Pro Bowls. Evans hasn't been a 1st team All-Pro and has had 5 years where he wasn't a Pro Bowler. For whatever reasons, the formula / algorithm doesn't love him. His career totals are excellent, but his career highs / best seasons aren't as high as other guys (no season in the Top 100 seasons for receptions, best season in yardage is 45th, best season in TDs is 37th). An argument could be made that he is a compiler (ie, strung together many above average to very good seasons but few elite ones), and his career totals will end up near the top of several key categories.

Like I said. He has been overlooked and undervalued his entire career. Consistency is boring. I guess? If that metric is valuing Pro Bowls maybe we shouldn’t use it?

He puts together a couple 1,200 yard seasons and he’s ahead of Cris Carter bordering on top 10 all time in yards. In just 11 seasons played. All the guys in the top 10 did it in 12 years or more. CC played 15.

These other guys aren’t “compilers?”

He was tied for the most receiving TDs in the NFL last year. Not elite?

Pro Bowl voting is a sham and no one should take it overly seriously. I guess it's OK as a vague gauge of "who was perceived to be the best at their position."

The ring and the ultra-long streak of 1,000-yard seasons will help his case. He won't get in on the first ballot but I could see him getting in eventually.

 

[Capella]

You ever read the first few pages of a 10 year old thread on a Hall of Fame Player?

This is a fun one to do it on. Love you, Mike.

Never thought I’d love a player more than Derrick Brooks but well…here we are.

 

[Capella]

Oddly enough, the metrics at PFR don't love him. Based on HOF Monitor score, he's their 53rd ranked WR with a score of 60.80. The average score for a HOF WR is 101.40. Of guys that played at any point past 1980, the next closest HOFer would be John Stallworth at 69.42. For guys that made it into the HOF that played at any point in 2000 or later, the next closest HOF WR would be Andre Reed at 82.41. Players that played in 2023 that are graded above him are Julio Jones (108.60), Tyreek Hill (82.67), DeAndre Hopkins (71.19), and Davante Adams (63.88). Let the heated commentary from the gallery commence . . .

There’s no heated commentary to have. He’s getting into the hall, easily.

 

[Grahamburn]

You ever read the first few pages of a 10 year old thread on a Hall of Fame Player?

This is a fun one to do it on. Love you, Mike.

Never thought I’d love a player more than Derrick Brooks but well…here we are.

I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to get there, but this guy is a Buc through and through.

The “In the Current” where they’re discussing all the free agent signings and he had his kid say “I did it for you, Tampa!” was awesome. Went out and bought my kid his jersey that morning.

 

[Grahamburn]

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LEGEND: #Bucs WR Mike Evans needs just 6 touchdown receptions to become the 5th player in HISTORY with at least 100 TD receptions in his first 11 seasons.Evans will join 5 of the GOATS: Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison & Terrell Owens.MIKE EVANS IS A TOP-10 WR ALL-TIME

 

[Capella]

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LEGEND: #Bucs WR Mike Evans needs just 6 touchdown receptions to become the 5th player in HISTORY with at least 100 TD receptions in his first 11 seasons.Evans will join 5 of the GOATS: Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison & Terrell Owens.MIKE EVANS IS A TOP-10 WR ALL-TIME

These are the things people will talk about in the committee room. Not what some dopey website says.

 

[massraider]

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LEGEND: #Bucs WR Mike Evans needs just 6 touchdown receptions to become the 5th player in HISTORY with at least 100 TD receptions in his first 11 seasons.Evans will join 5 of the GOATS: Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison & Terrell Owens.MIKE EVANS IS A TOP-10 WR ALL-TIME

And look at the QBs he did it with

Every quarterback who has thrown a pass to Bucs WR Mike Evans

Mike Evans has hauled in a pass from seven different Bucs quarterbacks on the road to his 10th 1,000-yard season — here are Evans’ numbers with each:

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[Grahamburn]

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LEGEND: #Bucs WR Mike Evans needs just 6 touchdown receptions to become the 5th player in HISTORY with at least 100 TD receptions in his first 11 seasons.Evans will join 5 of the GOATS: Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison & Terrell Owens.MIKE EVANS IS A TOP-10 WR ALL-TIME

These are the things people will talk about in the committee room. Not what some dopey website says.

But what about the Pro Bowls?

 

[nittanylion]

That's a pretty valuable tidbit.

I'll bet the Bucs do everything in their power to get Evans 7+ TD's this Season.

I'm already bullish on Evans. Probably too bullish...but this prediction, IMHO makes him a 'must draft' in at least Basic Scoring formats, for sure.

 

[Grahamburn]

That's a pretty valuable tidbit.

I'll bet the Bucs do everything in their power to get Evans 7+ TD's this Season.

I'm already bullish on Evans. Probably too bullish...but this prediction, IMHO makes him a 'must draft' in at least Basic Scoring formats, for sure.

Has only had less than 8 TDs 3 times in his career.

12 TDs or more 5 times. I’d take the over.

 

[Capella]

My goat

 

[Grahamburn]

My goat

Pair of goats today. Still nobody talking about him. Sad a receiver who doesn’t act like a diva doesn’t get his due.

 

[Grahamburn]

There are 3 non-kickers to lead their franchises in points scored. Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, and Mike Evans.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Wow!!! So easy to root for too.

 

[FarFromHome]

Mike Evans is a baller. I was looking at where he ranks all time for tds and was reminded once again how awesome Jerry Rice was. His 197 tds is equal to 19 seasons of 10 tds. Crazy. Mike Evans is 12th all time. At 31 years of age Evans needs 31 to move into top 5 all time with Harrison. Maybe.

 

[LionOfGosforth]

I know one thing, I don't enjoy facing him in fantasy

 

[Uncle Leo]

Yeah, I might be going against him tonight as well. He is just so easy to root for no matter what. Happy for Baker as well.

 

[need2know]

Mike evans can screw my wife

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Mike Evans is a baller. I was looking at where he ranks all time for tds and was reminded once again how awesome Jerry Rice was. His 197 tds is equal to 19 seasons of 10 tds. Crazy. Mike Evans is 12th all time. At 31 years of age Evans needs 31 to move into top 5 all time with Harrison. Maybe.

He may get half of that 31 tonight!

 

[ShamrockPride]

Mike evans can screw my wife

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I’ve had him in dynasty since he was a rookie. Honestly has been easy to forget about sometimes but what a stalwart

 

[joey]

Marry me

 

[Ministry of Pain]

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Round 12...here's how the last 8 have gone vs Lattimore for Evans
0/0/0
1/2/TD
4/64
1/3/TD
2/48/TD
1/14
3/61
3/40

Double Digits barely twice and an avg of under 2 catches per game, YUCK!

 

[eighsse2]

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Round 12...here's how the last 8 have gone vs Lattimore for Evans
0/0/0
1/2/TD
4/64
1/3/TD
2/48/TD
1/14
3/61
3/40

Double Digits barely twice and an avg of under 2 catches per game, YUCK!

So what you're saying is I need to start Godwin over Swift.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Should I start Jamo over him then?

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Should I start Jamo over him then?

I've got the same option and I'm debating it...

 

[zoonation]

Btw him and Olave for me. 6 of one…

 

[Grahamburn]

Lattimore seems able to match Mike’s physicality, which also gets into his head. Hence the fights.

I’m hopeful Coen can scheme some things up to get him open.

Surtain locked Mike up by himself and that nuked this offense.

 

[Payne]

I don't care what the stats say, you never bench your studs.

 

[joey]

I don't care what the stats say, you never bench your studs.

Agreed. But I’m going to pull a WDIS here and see if I get away with it

I have to choose 3 of ARSB, DJ Moore, Evans, Mooney and ThomasJR.

They’ve ALL been so good this year so I might come down to matchups to make the final decision. Opinions and mocking welcome.

 

[dblock05]

I am going to go with Slayton over Evans. I’m sure it will cost me