WR Quentin Johnston, LAC (2 Viewers)

[eighsse2]

I want to believe but it’s hard to do so. Maybe he just needs a couple more years to develop into a decent journeyman?

He's already "good journeyman" level. But I think there is every reason to be optimistic about him.

He played in two fewer games last season (15-17) but had one more start (11-10), ultimately he played 92 fewer snaps in Harbaugh's ball.control offense.

However, he improved in every metric (Yards, y/r, catch %, yards/target, YAC, ADOT, TDs etc).

After this off-season he seems like a buy to me.

Quentin Johnston seems like a buy? Are you saying that because his price is at rock bottom?

WR McConkey will obviously dominate snaps in the slot, though he can also play X and Z.

The team signed WR Mike Williams. He will start and presumably play the most snaps at X.

The team drafted WRs Tre Harris and KeAndre Lambert-Smith. They will play snaps at X and Z.

The team signed TE Conklin, who should upgrade (increase?) the short to intermediate passing game TE targets.

The team drafted TE Gadsden, who should upgrade (increase?) the intermediate to deep passing game TE targets.

The team drafted RB Hampton, who is a good pass catching RB and could increase the passing game RB targets.

Considering all of that, how is Johnston a buy?

I think you said it. Because his price is at rock bottom. Or, very low at least. He's still a guy who was a highly touted prospect. The consensus is "he sucks, they brought back Williams, they drafted Harris, he's toast". But his window isn't closed. It's all probabilities. Johnston breaking out into stud tier is not likely, but it's on the table. That has to give some value.

 

[Chaka]

I want to believe but it’s hard to do so. Maybe he just needs a couple more years to develop into a decent journeyman?

He's already "good journeyman" level. But I think there is every reason to be optimistic about him.

He played in two fewer games last season (15-17) but had one more start (11-10), ultimately he played 92 fewer snaps in Harbaugh's ball.control offense.

However, he improved in every metric (Yards, y/r, catch %, yards/target, YAC, ADOT, TDs etc).

After this off-season he seems like a buy to me.

Quentin Johnston seems like a buy? Are you saying that because his price is at rock bottom?

WR McConkey will obviously dominate snaps in the slot, though he can also play X and Z.

The team signed WR Mike Williams. He will start and presumably play the most snaps at X.

The team drafted WRs Tre Harris and KeAndre Lambert-Smith. They will play snaps at X and Z.

The team signed TE Conklin, who should upgrade (increase?) the short to intermediate passing game TE targets.

The team drafted TE Gadsden, who should upgrade (increase?) the intermediate to deep passing game TE targets.

The team drafted RB Hampton, who is a good pass catching RB and could increase the passing game RB targets.

Considering all of that, how is Johnston a buy?

Yes?

McConkey and QJ aren't at odds with each other. Hampton is bigger concern to both IMO.

It's difficult to immediately give either Williams or Harris a slot over QJ right now. Williams is an oft injured 31 year old and hasn't been truly relevant since, let's be generous and say 2022 (IMO it's 2021).

Harris is shiny, you can't deny it, so was QJ, so was MW. So, I'm not going to overreact.

In a dynasty start up, sure take Harris first. In a redraft or start up keeper I'll take QJ.

 

[munchkin420]

I want to believe but it’s hard to do so. Maybe he just needs a couple more years to develop into a decent journeyman?

He's already "good journeyman" level. But I think there is every reason to be optimistic about him.

He played in two fewer games last season (15-17) but had one more start (11-10), ultimately he played 92 fewer snaps in Harbaugh's ball.control offense.

However, he improved in every metric (Yards, y/r, catch %, yards/target, YAC, ADOT, TDs etc).

After this off-season he seems like a buy to me.

Quentin Johnston seems like a buy? Are you saying that because his price is at rock bottom?

WR McConkey will obviously dominate snaps in the slot, though he can also play X and Z.

The team signed WR Mike Williams. He will start and presumably play the most snaps at X.

The team drafted WRs Tre Harris and KeAndre Lambert-Smith. They will play snaps at X and Z.

The team signed TE Conklin, who should upgrade (increase?) the short to intermediate passing game TE targets.

The team drafted TE Gadsden, who should upgrade (increase?) the intermediate to deep passing game TE targets.

The team drafted RB Hampton, who is a good pass catching RB and could increase the passing game RB targets.

Considering all of that, how is Johnston a buy?

Yes?

McConkey and QJ aren't at odds with each other. Hampton is bigger concern to both IMO.

It's difficult to immediately give either Williams or Harris a slot over QJ right now. Williams is an oft injured 31 year old and hasn't been truly relevant since, let's be generous and say 2022 (IMO it's 2021).

Harris is shiny, you can't deny it, so was QJ, so was MW. So, I'm not going to overreact.

In a dynasty start up, sure take Harris first. In a redraft or start up keeper I'll take QJ.

This is from Matt Waldman's film room study. I reasonable breakdown from what looks like the first couple of games from last season.

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He is a work in progress. I would guess this is a make or break year for him. I can't imagine he has a lot of rope left. I agree with those that stated Herbert was inconsistent last year. He was borderline playable himself.

 

[Chaka]

I want to believe but it’s hard to do so. Maybe he just needs a couple more years to develop into a decent journeyman?

He's already "good journeyman" level. But I think there is every reason to be optimistic about him.

He played in two fewer games last season (15-17) but had one more start (11-10), ultimately he played 92 fewer snaps in Harbaugh's ball.control offense.

However, he improved in every metric (Yards, y/r, catch %, yards/target, YAC, ADOT, TDs etc).

After this off-season he seems like a buy to me.

Quentin Johnston seems like a buy? Are you saying that because his price is at rock bottom?

WR McConkey will obviously dominate snaps in the slot, though he can also play X and Z.

The team signed WR Mike Williams. He will start and presumably play the most snaps at X.

The team drafted WRs Tre Harris and KeAndre Lambert-Smith. They will play snaps at X and Z.

The team signed TE Conklin, who should upgrade (increase?) the short to intermediate passing game TE targets.

The team drafted TE Gadsden, who should upgrade (increase?) the intermediate to deep passing game TE targets.

The team drafted RB Hampton, who is a good pass catching RB and could increase the passing game RB targets.

Considering all of that, how is Johnston a buy?

Yes?

McConkey and QJ aren't at odds with each other. Hampton is bigger concern to both IMO.

It's difficult to immediately give either Williams or Harris a slot over QJ right now. Williams is an oft injured 31 year old and hasn't been truly relevant since, let's be generous and say 2022 (IMO it's 2021).

Harris is shiny, you can't deny it, so was QJ, so was MW. So, I'm not going to overreact.

In a dynasty start up, sure take Harris first. In a redraft or start up keeper I'll take QJ.

This is from Matt Waldman's film room study. I reasonable breakdown from what looks like the first couple of games from last season.

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He is a work in progress. I would guess this is a make or break year for him. I can't imagine he has a lot of rope left. I agree with those that stated Herbert was inconsistent last year. He was borderline playable himself.

I merely said he is a buy based on his trajectory so far. Competition happens, he may have plateaued but, in a redraft and possibly, start-up dynasty and keeper leagues, I put him over any other Charger WR EXCEPT McConkey.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

Right now QJohnston is a lottery ticket at a modest price.

 

[Tau837]

I want to believe but it’s hard to do so. Maybe he just needs a couple more years to develop into a decent journeyman?

He's already "good journeyman" level. But I think there is every reason to be optimistic about him.

He played in two fewer games last season (15-17) but had one more start (11-10), ultimately he played 92 fewer snaps in Harbaugh's ball.control offense.

However, he improved in every metric (Yards, y/r, catch %, yards/target, YAC, ADOT, TDs etc).

After this off-season he seems like a buy to me.

Quentin Johnston seems like a buy? Are you saying that because his price is at rock bottom?

WR McConkey will obviously dominate snaps in the slot, though he can also play X and Z.

The team signed WR Mike Williams. He will start and presumably play the most snaps at X.

The team drafted WRs Tre Harris and KeAndre Lambert-Smith. They will play snaps at X and Z.

The team signed TE Conklin, who should upgrade (increase?) the short to intermediate passing game TE targets.

The team drafted TE Gadsden, who should upgrade (increase?) the intermediate to deep passing game TE targets.

The team drafted RB Hampton, who is a good pass catching RB and could increase the passing game RB targets.

Considering all of that, how is Johnston a buy?

Yes?

McConkey and QJ aren't at odds with each other. Hampton is bigger concern to both IMO.

It's difficult to immediately give either Williams or Harris a slot over QJ right now. Williams is an oft injured 31 year old and hasn't been truly relevant since, let's be generous and say 2022 (IMO it's 2021).

Harris is shiny, you can't deny it, so was QJ, so was MW. So, I'm not going to overreact.

In a dynasty start up, sure take Harris first. In a redraft or start up keeper I'll take QJ.

The Williams injury stuff is overblown. He missed 14 games in 2023 after he tore his ACL, which is not predictive of future injuries. Other than those missed games, he has missed 7 of 106 possible games over the past 7 seasons. He just played in 19 games in 2024. I wouldn't assume Williams will play every game, but I do expect he will be the starting X WR and will play the most snaps at that position. He has obvious immediate chemistry with Herbert.

For 2025, it's not really about whether or not the others are clearly better than Johnston. The point is, all of McConkey, Williams, Harris, Lambert-Smith, Dissly, Conklin, Gadsden, and Hampton are going to get snaps and targets. Given it is a low passing attempt offense, that is going to cap Johnston's opportunity. Barring serious injuries to these other players, I think Johnston will play fewer snaps, run fewer routes, and get fewer targets. I suppose he could improve his performance on his targets, but his performance per target was already pretty good, so that seems rather unlikely. For example, I seriously doubt he will get 8 TDs again.

 

[Chaka]

I want to believe but it’s hard to do so. Maybe he just needs a couple more years to develop into a decent journeyman?

He's already "good journeyman" level. But I think there is every reason to be optimistic about him.

He played in two fewer games last season (15-17) but had one more start (11-10), ultimately he played 92 fewer snaps in Harbaugh's ball.control offense.

However, he improved in every metric (Yards, y/r, catch %, yards/target, YAC, ADOT, TDs etc).

After this off-season he seems like a buy to me.

Quentin Johnston seems like a buy? Are you saying that because his price is at rock bottom?

WR McConkey will obviously dominate snaps in the slot, though he can also play X and Z.

The team signed WR Mike Williams. He will start and presumably play the most snaps at X.

The team drafted WRs Tre Harris and KeAndre Lambert-Smith. They will play snaps at X and Z.

The team signed TE Conklin, who should upgrade (increase?) the short to intermediate passing game TE targets.

The team drafted TE Gadsden, who should upgrade (increase?) the intermediate to deep passing game TE targets.

The team drafted RB Hampton, who is a good pass catching RB and could increase the passing game RB targets.

Considering all of that, how is Johnston a buy?

Yes?

McConkey and QJ aren't at odds with each other. Hampton is bigger concern to both IMO.

It's difficult to immediately give either Williams or Harris a slot over QJ right now. Williams is an oft injured 31 year old and hasn't been truly relevant since, let's be generous and say 2022 (IMO it's 2021).

Harris is shiny, you can't deny it, so was QJ, so was MW. So, I'm not going to overreact.

In a dynasty start up, sure take Harris first. In a redraft or start up keeper I'll take QJ.

The Williams injury stuff is overblown. He missed 14 games in 2023 after he tore his ACL, which is not predictive of future injuries. Other than those missed games, he has missed 7 of 106 possible games over the past 7 seasons. He just played in 19 games in 2024. I wouldn't assume Williams will play every game, but I do expect he will be the starting X WR and will play the most snaps at that position. He has obvious immediate chemistry with Herbert.

For 2025, it's not really about whether or not the others are clearly better than Johnston. The point is, all of McConkey, Williams, Harris, Lambert-Smith, Dissly, Conklin, Gadsden, and Hampton are going to get snaps and targets. Given it is a low passing attempt offense, that is going to cap Johnston's opportunity. Barring serious injuries to these other players, I think Johnston will play fewer snaps, run fewer routes, and get fewer targets. I suppose he could improve his performance on his targets, but his performance per target was already pretty good, so that seems rather unlikely. For example, I seriously doubt he will get 8 TDs again.

I appreciate the analysis.

I would suggest the tier of guys like Dissley, Lambert-Smith, Conklin...Gadsen??? etc shouldn't be considered relative to QJ than any other non-factor, occasional producer player that impacts any other player. And that applies to any other team.

McConkey and Hampton, and possibly Harris should be considered as a potential negative against any other fantasy contributor on the Charger offense.

Sure, Williams could supplant QJ as a starter, however I am not sure why that is. I mean, the Chargers signed him this off season, then again they let him walk the year before. It doesn't really feel like a mea culpa by Harbaugh so much as a "sure, why not?"

To be clear, i am not saying QJ is some kind of slam dunk. I just think that of all the guys after McConkey & Hampton, QJ is the one I find most interesting. I spoke above about why.

To me, that makes him a buy. Particularly at his price. Williams, draft guy, Harris and...Gadsen-ish??? aren't an impediment to QJ IMO.

 

[Tau837]

I want to believe but it’s hard to do so. Maybe he just needs a couple more years to develop into a decent journeyman?

He's already "good journeyman" level. But I think there is every reason to be optimistic about him.

He played in two fewer games last season (15-17) but had one more start (11-10), ultimately he played 92 fewer snaps in Harbaugh's ball.control offense.

However, he improved in every metric (Yards, y/r, catch %, yards/target, YAC, ADOT, TDs etc).

After this off-season he seems like a buy to me.

Quentin Johnston seems like a buy? Are you saying that because his price is at rock bottom?

WR McConkey will obviously dominate snaps in the slot, though he can also play X and Z.

The team signed WR Mike Williams. He will start and presumably play the most snaps at X.

The team drafted WRs Tre Harris and KeAndre Lambert-Smith. They will play snaps at X and Z.

The team signed TE Conklin, who should upgrade (increase?) the short to intermediate passing game TE targets.

The team drafted TE Gadsden, who should upgrade (increase?) the intermediate to deep passing game TE targets.

The team drafted RB Hampton, who is a good pass catching RB and could increase the passing game RB targets.

Considering all of that, how is Johnston a buy?

Yes?

McConkey and QJ aren't at odds with each other. Hampton is bigger concern to both IMO.

It's difficult to immediately give either Williams or Harris a slot over QJ right now. Williams is an oft injured 31 year old and hasn't been truly relevant since, let's be generous and say 2022 (IMO it's 2021).

Harris is shiny, you can't deny it, so was QJ, so was MW. So, I'm not going to overreact.

In a dynasty start up, sure take Harris first. In a redraft or start up keeper I'll take QJ.

The Williams injury stuff is overblown. He missed 14 games in 2023 after he tore his ACL, which is not predictive of future injuries. Other than those missed games, he has missed 7 of 106 possible games over the past 7 seasons. He just played in 19 games in 2024. I wouldn't assume Williams will play every game, but I do expect he will be the starting X WR and will play the most snaps at that position. He has obvious immediate chemistry with Herbert.

For 2025, it's not really about whether or not the others are clearly better than Johnston. The point is, all of McConkey, Williams, Harris, Lambert-Smith, Dissly, Conklin, Gadsden, and Hampton are going to get snaps and targets. Given it is a low passing attempt offense, that is going to cap Johnston's opportunity. Barring serious injuries to these other players, I think Johnston will play fewer snaps, run fewer routes, and get fewer targets. I suppose he could improve his performance on his targets, but his performance per target was already pretty good, so that seems rather unlikely. For example, I seriously doubt he will get 8 TDs again.

I appreciate the analysis.

I would suggest the tier of guys like Dissley, Lambert-Smith, Conklin...Gadsen??? etc shouldn't be considered relative to QJ than any other non-factor, occasional producer player that impacts any other player. And that applies to any other team.

McConkey and Hampton, and possibly Harris should be considered as a potential negative against any other fantasy contributor on the Charger offense.

Sure, Williams could supplant QJ as a starter, however I am not sure why that is. I mean, the Chargers signed him this off season, then again they let him walk the year before. It doesn't really feel like a mea culpa by Harbaugh so much as a "sure, why not?"

To be clear, i am not saying QJ is some kind of slam dunk. I just think that of all the guys after McConkey & Hampton, QJ is the one I find most interesting. I spoke above about why.

To me, that makes him a buy. Particularly at his price. Williams, draft guy, Harris and...Gadsen-ish??? aren't an impediment to QJ IMO.

On Williams, the Chargers released him last offseason because they were in a cap hell situation and could not afford his cap hit, especially coming off an ACL injury. Not because they were down on his ability. As I have said, he is going to start and play the most snaps at X WR barring injury. FWIW Johnston played most of his snaps last season at X.

As for your dismissal of the rest of what I previously posted, here is the bottom line IMO. Barring injuries to others, Johnston is going to play fewer snaps, run fewer routes, and get fewer targets. If those things end up being true, he will not be a fantasy value no matter where he is drafted. I'm fine agreeing to disagree with you about it at this point.

 

[BespokeJort]

Rapport or no rapport, Williams doesn’t really affect my valuation of QJ; if he gets beat out in his third year by a guy on the wrong side of 30 coming off a sub-300 yard season, he wasn’t gonna be fantasy-relevant anyway. I’d be more worried about Harris if anything

 

[Tau837]

Rapport or no rapport, Williams doesn’t really affect my valuation of QJ; if he gets beat out in his third year by a guy on the wrong side of 30 coming off a sub-300 yard season, he wasn’t gonna be fantasy-relevant anyway. I’d be more worried about Harris if anything

Last year, Johnston primarily played X WR. The team signed Williams and drafted Harris to make sure they don’t have to use Johnston at X much going forward because he has proven it isn’t a good fit for his skill set. So, yes, Williams is going to beat him out for that role.

Johnston should get most of his snaps at Z this season. That is a better fit for his skill set but there will be fewer snaps.

 

[BespokeJort]

Rapport or no rapport, Williams doesn’t really affect my valuation of QJ; if he gets beat out in his third year by a guy on the wrong side of 30 coming off a sub-300 yard season, he wasn’t gonna be fantasy-relevant anyway. I’d be more worried about Harris if anything

Last year, Johnston primarily played X WR. The team signed Williams and drafted Harris to make sure they don’t have to use Johnston at X much going forward because he has proven it isn’t a good fit for his skill set. So, yes, Williams is going to beat him out for that role.

Johnston should get most of his snaps at Z this season. That is a better fit for his skill set but there will be fewer snaps.

TBC I don’t disagree with what you’re saying barring QJ’s continued improvement; but barring said improvement I didn’t want him anyway.

If he’s not good enough to push a 30 year old Mike Williams off the field in 2 wr sets he’s a drop. If he is they can line up wherever in 3 wide

 

[Faust]

Alex Insdorf
New: "I told him he's the starter. Because he is."

Sanjay Lal's support of Quentin Johnston was unwavering yesterday despite the Chargers drafting two WRs and signing Mike Williams this offseason.

https://x.com/alexinsdorf99/status/1930280181152780623?s=61

 

[Tau837]

Alex Insdorf
New: "I told him he's the starter. Because he is."

Sanjay Lal's support of Quentin Johnston was unwavering yesterday despite the Chargers drafting two WRs and signing Mike Williams this offseason.

https://x.com/alexinsdorf99/status/1930280181152780623?s=61

Right. He is the starter at Z in 3 WR sets. As I posted in this and other threads previously.

 

[Chaka]

I want to believe but it’s hard to do so. Maybe he just needs a couple more years to develop into a decent journeyman?

He's already "good journeyman" level. But I think there is every reason to be optimistic about him.

He played in two fewer games last season (15-17) but had one more start (11-10), ultimately he played 92 fewer snaps in Harbaugh's ball.control offense.

However, he improved in every metric (Yards, y/r, catch %, yards/target, YAC, ADOT, TDs etc).

After this off-season he seems like a buy to me.

Quentin Johnston seems like a buy? Are you saying that because his price is at rock bottom?

WR McConkey will obviously dominate snaps in the slot, though he can also play X and Z.

The team signed WR Mike Williams. He will start and presumably play the most snaps at X.

The team drafted WRs Tre Harris and KeAndre Lambert-Smith. They will play snaps at X and Z.

The team signed TE Conklin, who should upgrade (increase?) the short to intermediate passing game TE targets.

The team drafted TE Gadsden, who should upgrade (increase?) the intermediate to deep passing game TE targets.

The team drafted RB Hampton, who is a good pass catching RB and could increase the passing game RB targets.

Considering all of that, how is Johnston a buy?

Yes?

McConkey and QJ aren't at odds with each other. Hampton is bigger concern to both IMO.

It's difficult to immediately give either Williams or Harris a slot over QJ right now. Williams is an oft injured 31 year old and hasn't been truly relevant since, let's be generous and say 2022 (IMO it's 2021).

Harris is shiny, you can't deny it, so was QJ, so was MW. So, I'm not going to overreact.

In a dynasty start up, sure take Harris first. In a redraft or start up keeper I'll take QJ.

The Williams injury stuff is overblown. He missed 14 games in 2023 after he tore his ACL, which is not predictive of future injuries. Other than those missed games, he has missed 7 of 106 possible games over the past 7 seasons. He just played in 19 games in 2024. I wouldn't assume Williams will play every game, but I do expect he will be the starting X WR and will play the most snaps at that position. He has obvious immediate chemistry with Herbert.

For 2025, it's not really about whether or not the others are clearly better than Johnston. The point is, all of McConkey, Williams, Harris, Lambert-Smith, Dissly, Conklin, Gadsden, and Hampton are going to get snaps and targets. Given it is a low passing attempt offense, that is going to cap Johnston's opportunity. Barring serious injuries to these other players, I think Johnston will play fewer snaps, run fewer routes, and get fewer targets. I suppose he could improve his performance on his targets, but his performance per target was already pretty good, so that seems rather unlikely. For example, I seriously doubt he will get 8 TDs again.

I appreciate the analysis.

I would suggest the tier of guys like Dissley, Lambert-Smith, Conklin...Gadsen??? etc shouldn't be considered relative to QJ than any other non-factor, occasional producer player that impacts any other player. And that applies to any other team.

McConkey and Hampton, and possibly Harris should be considered as a potential negative against any other fantasy contributor on the Charger offense.

Sure, Williams could supplant QJ as a starter, however I am not sure why that is. I mean, the Chargers signed him this off season, then again they let him walk the year before. It doesn't really feel like a mea culpa by Harbaugh so much as a "sure, why not?"

To be clear, i am not saying QJ is some kind of slam dunk. I just think that of all the guys after McConkey & Hampton, QJ is the one I find most interesting. I spoke above about why.

To me, that makes him a buy. Particularly at his price. Williams, draft guy, Harris and...Gadsen-ish??? aren't an impediment to QJ IMO.

On Williams, the Chargers released him last offseason because they were in a cap hell situation and could not afford his cap hit, especially coming off an ACL injury. Not because they were down on his ability. As I have said, he is going to start and play the most snaps at X WR barring injury. FWIW Johnston played most of his snaps last season at X.

As for your dismissal of the rest of what I previously posted, here is the bottom line IMO. Barring injuries to others, Johnston is going to play fewer snaps, run fewer routes, and get fewer targets. If those things end up being true, he will not be a fantasy value no matter where he is drafted. I'm fine agreeing to disagree with you about it at this point.

I don't truly get the whole cap vs salary etc stuff so help me understand. According to Spotrac Williams was in the last year of am$60 mil contract with an average salary of $20 mil (he got a $21 mil signing bonus so his 2024 salary should have been under $20 mil, right?)

He took $10 mil from the Jets. If the Chargers were in cap hell and really liked Williams, why didn't they renegotiate him to $10 mil?

Sincere question.

 

[Tau837]

I want to believe but it’s hard to do so. Maybe he just needs a couple more years to develop into a decent journeyman?

He's already "good journeyman" level. But I think there is every reason to be optimistic about him.

He played in two fewer games last season (15-17) but had one more start (11-10), ultimately he played 92 fewer snaps in Harbaugh's ball.control offense.

However, he improved in every metric (Yards, y/r, catch %, yards/target, YAC, ADOT, TDs etc).

After this off-season he seems like a buy to me.

Quentin Johnston seems like a buy? Are you saying that because his price is at rock bottom?

WR McConkey will obviously dominate snaps in the slot, though he can also play X and Z.

The team signed WR Mike Williams. He will start and presumably play the most snaps at X.

The team drafted WRs Tre Harris and KeAndre Lambert-Smith. They will play snaps at X and Z.

The team signed TE Conklin, who should upgrade (increase?) the short to intermediate passing game TE targets.

The team drafted TE Gadsden, who should upgrade (increase?) the intermediate to deep passing game TE targets.

The team drafted RB Hampton, who is a good pass catching RB and could increase the passing game RB targets.

Considering all of that, how is Johnston a buy?

Yes?

McConkey and QJ aren't at odds with each other. Hampton is bigger concern to both IMO.

It's difficult to immediately give either Williams or Harris a slot over QJ right now. Williams is an oft injured 31 year old and hasn't been truly relevant since, let's be generous and say 2022 (IMO it's 2021).

Harris is shiny, you can't deny it, so was QJ, so was MW. So, I'm not going to overreact.

In a dynasty start up, sure take Harris first. In a redraft or start up keeper I'll take QJ.

The Williams injury stuff is overblown. He missed 14 games in 2023 after he tore his ACL, which is not predictive of future injuries. Other than those missed games, he has missed 7 of 106 possible games over the past 7 seasons. He just played in 19 games in 2024. I wouldn't assume Williams will play every game, but I do expect he will be the starting X WR and will play the most snaps at that position. He has obvious immediate chemistry with Herbert.

For 2025, it's not really about whether or not the others are clearly better than Johnston. The point is, all of McConkey, Williams, Harris, Lambert-Smith, Dissly, Conklin, Gadsden, and Hampton are going to get snaps and targets. Given it is a low passing attempt offense, that is going to cap Johnston's opportunity. Barring serious injuries to these other players, I think Johnston will play fewer snaps, run fewer routes, and get fewer targets. I suppose he could improve his performance on his targets, but his performance per target was already pretty good, so that seems rather unlikely. For example, I seriously doubt he will get 8 TDs again.

I appreciate the analysis.

I would suggest the tier of guys like Dissley, Lambert-Smith, Conklin...Gadsen??? etc shouldn't be considered relative to QJ than any other non-factor, occasional producer player that impacts any other player. And that applies to any other team.

McConkey and Hampton, and possibly Harris should be considered as a potential negative against any other fantasy contributor on the Charger offense.

Sure, Williams could supplant QJ as a starter, however I am not sure why that is. I mean, the Chargers signed him this off season, then again they let him walk the year before. It doesn't really feel like a mea culpa by Harbaugh so much as a "sure, why not?"

To be clear, i am not saying QJ is some kind of slam dunk. I just think that of all the guys after McConkey & Hampton, QJ is the one I find most interesting. I spoke above about why.

To me, that makes him a buy. Particularly at his price. Williams, draft guy, Harris and...Gadsen-ish??? aren't an impediment to QJ IMO.

On Williams, the Chargers released him last offseason because they were in a cap hell situation and could not afford his cap hit, especially coming off an ACL injury. Not because they were down on his ability. As I have said, he is going to start and play the most snaps at X WR barring injury. FWIW Johnston played most of his snaps last season at X.

As for your dismissal of the rest of what I previously posted, here is the bottom line IMO. Barring injuries to others, Johnston is going to play fewer snaps, run fewer routes, and get fewer targets. If those things end up being true, he will not be a fantasy value no matter where he is drafted. I'm fine agreeing to disagree with you about it at this point.

I don't truly get the whole cap vs salary etc stuff so help me understand. According to Spotrac Williams was in the last year of am$60 mil contract with an average salary of $20 mil (he got a $21 mil signing bonus so his 2024 salary should have been under $20 mil, right?)

He took $10 mil from the Jets. If the Chargers were in cap hell and really liked Williams, why didn't they renegotiate him to $10 mil?

Sincere question.

Williams was set to have a $32.6M cap hit in 2024 under his Chargers contract. Releasing him cleared $20M in 2024 cap space.

He had a $3M roster bonus due on 3/15/2024, so the Chargers released him on 3/13/2024 to avoid getting stuck with that bonus. Keep in mind, he tore his ACL on 9/24/2023, so the Chargers had to make this decision less than 6 months later.

Regardless, they needed the cap relief. Same reason they traded franchise icon Allen in the same offseason.

You ask why they didn't just renegotiate him down to $10M. The literally could not do that. Even if they could have gotten him to eliminate that $3M roster bonus, they still had $7M of his signing bonus and $5.46M of his restructure bonus that had to hit the 2024 cap. Even releasing him, they ate that $12.46M against their 2024 cap. Had they kept him, they would have had to pay him at least a minimum salary, which would have increased that cap hit to at least ~$14M. But think about it from Williams' perspective. In that scenario, he already got the $12.46M paid to him in previous years and would only be getting a minimum NFL salary in new cash. Getting released and signing that $10M contract with the Jets meant that he got +$10M. The Chargers weren't going to give him $10M above and beyond his $12.46M cap hit; they couldn't afford to do that.

But this offseason was different. The Chargers paid the toll for their cap hell issues last offseason. This offseason, they had cash to spend, and they were able to get Williams for a relative bargain. Last year, it was a nobrainer to release him. This year, it was a nobrainer to sign him. Context matters.

 

[Chaka]

I want to believe but it’s hard to do so. Maybe he just needs a couple more years to develop into a decent journeyman?

He's already "good journeyman" level. But I think there is every reason to be optimistic about him.

He played in two fewer games last season (15-17) but had one more start (11-10), ultimately he played 92 fewer snaps in Harbaugh's ball.control offense.

However, he improved in every metric (Yards, y/r, catch %, yards/target, YAC, ADOT, TDs etc).

After this off-season he seems like a buy to me.

Quentin Johnston seems like a buy? Are you saying that because his price is at rock bottom?

WR McConkey will obviously dominate snaps in the slot, though he can also play X and Z.

The team signed WR Mike Williams. He will start and presumably play the most snaps at X.

The team drafted WRs Tre Harris and KeAndre Lambert-Smith. They will play snaps at X and Z.

The team signed TE Conklin, who should upgrade (increase?) the short to intermediate passing game TE targets.

The team drafted TE Gadsden, who should upgrade (increase?) the intermediate to deep passing game TE targets.

The team drafted RB Hampton, who is a good pass catching RB and could increase the passing game RB targets.

Considering all of that, how is Johnston a buy?

Yes?

McConkey and QJ aren't at odds with each other. Hampton is bigger concern to both IMO.

It's difficult to immediately give either Williams or Harris a slot over QJ right now. Williams is an oft injured 31 year old and hasn't been truly relevant since, let's be generous and say 2022 (IMO it's 2021).

Harris is shiny, you can't deny it, so was QJ, so was MW. So, I'm not going to overreact.

In a dynasty start up, sure take Harris first. In a redraft or start up keeper I'll take QJ.

The Williams injury stuff is overblown. He missed 14 games in 2023 after he tore his ACL, which is not predictive of future injuries. Other than those missed games, he has missed 7 of 106 possible games over the past 7 seasons. He just played in 19 games in 2024. I wouldn't assume Williams will play every game, but I do expect he will be the starting X WR and will play the most snaps at that position. He has obvious immediate chemistry with Herbert.

For 2025, it's not really about whether or not the others are clearly better than Johnston. The point is, all of McConkey, Williams, Harris, Lambert-Smith, Dissly, Conklin, Gadsden, and Hampton are going to get snaps and targets. Given it is a low passing attempt offense, that is going to cap Johnston's opportunity. Barring serious injuries to these other players, I think Johnston will play fewer snaps, run fewer routes, and get fewer targets. I suppose he could improve his performance on his targets, but his performance per target was already pretty good, so that seems rather unlikely. For example, I seriously doubt he will get 8 TDs again.

I appreciate the analysis.

I would suggest the tier of guys like Dissley, Lambert-Smith, Conklin...Gadsen??? etc shouldn't be considered relative to QJ than any other non-factor, occasional producer player that impacts any other player. And that applies to any other team.

McConkey and Hampton, and possibly Harris should be considered as a potential negative against any other fantasy contributor on the Charger offense.

Sure, Williams could supplant QJ as a starter, however I am not sure why that is. I mean, the Chargers signed him this off season, then again they let him walk the year before. It doesn't really feel like a mea culpa by Harbaugh so much as a "sure, why not?"

To be clear, i am not saying QJ is some kind of slam dunk. I just think that of all the guys after McConkey & Hampton, QJ is the one I find most interesting. I spoke above about why.

To me, that makes him a buy. Particularly at his price. Williams, draft guy, Harris and...Gadsen-ish??? aren't an impediment to QJ IMO.

On Williams, the Chargers released him last offseason because they were in a cap hell situation and could not afford his cap hit, especially coming off an ACL injury. Not because they were down on his ability. As I have said, he is going to start and play the most snaps at X WR barring injury. FWIW Johnston played most of his snaps last season at X.

As for your dismissal of the rest of what I previously posted, here is the bottom line IMO. Barring injuries to others, Johnston is going to play fewer snaps, run fewer routes, and get fewer targets. If those things end up being true, he will not be a fantasy value no matter where he is drafted. I'm fine agreeing to disagree with you about it at this point.

I don't truly get the whole cap vs salary etc stuff so help me understand. According to Spotrac Williams was in the last year of am$60 mil contract with an average salary of $20 mil (he got a $21 mil signing bonus so his 2024 salary should have been under $20 mil, right?)

He took $10 mil from the Jets. If the Chargers were in cap hell and really liked Williams, why didn't they renegotiate him to $10 mil?

Sincere question.

Williams was set to have a $32.6M cap hit in 2024 under his Chargers contract. Releasing him cleared $20M in 2024 cap space.

He had a $3M roster bonus due on 3/15/2024, so the Chargers released him on 3/13/2024 to avoid getting stuck with that bonus. Keep in mind, he tore his ACL on 9/24/2023, so the Chargers had to make this decision less than 6 months later.

Regardless, they needed the cap relief. Same reason they traded franchise icon Allen in the same offseason.

You ask why they didn't just renegotiate him down to $10M. The literally could not do that. Even if they could have gotten him to eliminate that $3M roster bonus, they still had $7M of his signing bonus and $5.46M of his restructure bonus that had to hit the 2024 cap. Even releasing him, they ate that $12.46M against their 2024 cap. Had they kept him, they would have had to pay him at least a minimum salary, which would have increased that cap hit to at least ~$14M. But think about it from Williams' perspective. In that scenario, he already got the $12.46M paid to him in previous years and would only be getting a minimum NFL salary in new cash. Getting released and signing that $10M contract with the Jets meant that he got +$10M. The Chargers weren't going to give him $10M above and beyond his $12.46M cap hit; they couldn't afford to do that.

But this offseason was different. The Chargers paid the toll for their cap hell issues last offseason. This offseason, they had cash to spend, and they were able to get Williams for a relative bargain. Last year, it was a nobrainer to release him. This year, it was a nobrainer to sign him. Context matters.

I really appreciate all that work. Seriously, that was, thorough. I sincerely hope you used AI for that.

So, this year he got one year at $3 mil. That seems more like kicking the tires money, than starter money, doesn't it?

 

[Chaka]

Redraft question:

Who will have a better fantasy season QJ or MW?

Please no "Well, I'll let someone else take QJ then swoop in at take MW X rounds later. Profit"

I say QJ.

 

[Tau837]

I want to believe but it’s hard to do so. Maybe he just needs a couple more years to develop into a decent journeyman?

He's already "good journeyman" level. But I think there is every reason to be optimistic about him.

He played in two fewer games last season (15-17) but had one more start (11-10), ultimately he played 92 fewer snaps in Harbaugh's ball.control offense.

However, he improved in every metric (Yards, y/r, catch %, yards/target, YAC, ADOT, TDs etc).

After this off-season he seems like a buy to me.

Quentin Johnston seems like a buy? Are you saying that because his price is at rock bottom?

WR McConkey will obviously dominate snaps in the slot, though he can also play X and Z.

The team signed WR Mike Williams. He will start and presumably play the most snaps at X.

The team drafted WRs Tre Harris and KeAndre Lambert-Smith. They will play snaps at X and Z.

The team signed TE Conklin, who should upgrade (increase?) the short to intermediate passing game TE targets.

The team drafted TE Gadsden, who should upgrade (increase?) the intermediate to deep passing game TE targets.

The team drafted RB Hampton, who is a good pass catching RB and could increase the passing game RB targets.

Considering all of that, how is Johnston a buy?

Yes?

McConkey and QJ aren't at odds with each other. Hampton is bigger concern to both IMO.

It's difficult to immediately give either Williams or Harris a slot over QJ right now. Williams is an oft injured 31 year old and hasn't been truly relevant since, let's be generous and say 2022 (IMO it's 2021).

Harris is shiny, you can't deny it, so was QJ, so was MW. So, I'm not going to overreact.

In a dynasty start up, sure take Harris first. In a redraft or start up keeper I'll take QJ.

The Williams injury stuff is overblown. He missed 14 games in 2023 after he tore his ACL, which is not predictive of future injuries. Other than those missed games, he has missed 7 of 106 possible games over the past 7 seasons. He just played in 19 games in 2024. I wouldn't assume Williams will play every game, but I do expect he will be the starting X WR and will play the most snaps at that position. He has obvious immediate chemistry with Herbert.

For 2025, it's not really about whether or not the others are clearly better than Johnston. The point is, all of McConkey, Williams, Harris, Lambert-Smith, Dissly, Conklin, Gadsden, and Hampton are going to get snaps and targets. Given it is a low passing attempt offense, that is going to cap Johnston's opportunity. Barring serious injuries to these other players, I think Johnston will play fewer snaps, run fewer routes, and get fewer targets. I suppose he could improve his performance on his targets, but his performance per target was already pretty good, so that seems rather unlikely. For example, I seriously doubt he will get 8 TDs again.

I appreciate the analysis.

I would suggest the tier of guys like Dissley, Lambert-Smith, Conklin...Gadsen??? etc shouldn't be considered relative to QJ than any other non-factor, occasional producer player that impacts any other player. And that applies to any other team.

McConkey and Hampton, and possibly Harris should be considered as a potential negative against any other fantasy contributor on the Charger offense.

Sure, Williams could supplant QJ as a starter, however I am not sure why that is. I mean, the Chargers signed him this off season, then again they let him walk the year before. It doesn't really feel like a mea culpa by Harbaugh so much as a "sure, why not?"

To be clear, i am not saying QJ is some kind of slam dunk. I just think that of all the guys after McConkey & Hampton, QJ is the one I find most interesting. I spoke above about why.

To me, that makes him a buy. Particularly at his price. Williams, draft guy, Harris and...Gadsen-ish??? aren't an impediment to QJ IMO.

On Williams, the Chargers released him last offseason because they were in a cap hell situation and could not afford his cap hit, especially coming off an ACL injury. Not because they were down on his ability. As I have said, he is going to start and play the most snaps at X WR barring injury. FWIW Johnston played most of his snaps last season at X.

As for your dismissal of the rest of what I previously posted, here is the bottom line IMO. Barring injuries to others, Johnston is going to play fewer snaps, run fewer routes, and get fewer targets. If those things end up being true, he will not be a fantasy value no matter where he is drafted. I'm fine agreeing to disagree with you about it at this point.

I don't truly get the whole cap vs salary etc stuff so help me understand. According to Spotrac Williams was in the last year of am$60 mil contract with an average salary of $20 mil (he got a $21 mil signing bonus so his 2024 salary should have been under $20 mil, right?)

He took $10 mil from the Jets. If the Chargers were in cap hell and really liked Williams, why didn't they renegotiate him to $10 mil?

Sincere question.

Williams was set to have a $32.6M cap hit in 2024 under his Chargers contract. Releasing him cleared $20M in 2024 cap space.

He had a $3M roster bonus due on 3/15/2024, so the Chargers released him on 3/13/2024 to avoid getting stuck with that bonus. Keep in mind, he tore his ACL on 9/24/2023, so the Chargers had to make this decision less than 6 months later.

Regardless, they needed the cap relief. Same reason they traded franchise icon Allen in the same offseason.

You ask why they didn't just renegotiate him down to $10M. The literally could not do that. Even if they could have gotten him to eliminate that $3M roster bonus, they still had $7M of his signing bonus and $5.46M of his restructure bonus that had to hit the 2024 cap. Even releasing him, they ate that $12.46M against their 2024 cap. Had they kept him, they would have had to pay him at least a minimum salary, which would have increased that cap hit to at least ~$14M. But think about it from Williams' perspective. In that scenario, he already got the $12.46M paid to him in previous years and would only be getting a minimum NFL salary in new cash. Getting released and signing that $10M contract with the Jets meant that he got +$10M. The Chargers weren't going to give him $10M above and beyond his $12.46M cap hit; they couldn't afford to do that.

But this offseason was different. The Chargers paid the toll for their cap hell issues last offseason. This offseason, they had cash to spend, and they were able to get Williams for a relative bargain. Last year, it was a nobrainer to release him. This year, it was a nobrainer to sign him. Context matters.

I really appreciate all that work. Seriously, that was, thorough. I sincerely hope you used AI for that.

So, this year he got one year at $3 mil. That seems more like kicking the tires money, than starter money, doesn't it?

You can believe whatever you want. If Williams is healthy, he is the week 1 starting X WR. How long he holds that job depends on whether he stays healthy and how rapidly Tre Harris adjusts from a college Air Raid offense to the NFL.

I will also note that Williams can earn up to $3M in incentives. Doesn't change the fact that his contract is relatively inexpensive, although he could end up making the most of any WR on the Chargers this season.

 

[Chaka]

I want to believe but it’s hard to do so. Maybe he just needs a couple more years to develop into a decent journeyman?

He's already "good journeyman" level. But I think there is every reason to be optimistic about him.

He played in two fewer games last season (15-17) but had one more start (11-10), ultimately he played 92 fewer snaps in Harbaugh's ball.control offense.

However, he improved in every metric (Yards, y/r, catch %, yards/target, YAC, ADOT, TDs etc).

After this off-season he seems like a buy to me.

Quentin Johnston seems like a buy? Are you saying that because his price is at rock bottom?

WR McConkey will obviously dominate snaps in the slot, though he can also play X and Z.

The team signed WR Mike Williams. He will start and presumably play the most snaps at X.

The team drafted WRs Tre Harris and KeAndre Lambert-Smith. They will play snaps at X and Z.

The team signed TE Conklin, who should upgrade (increase?) the short to intermediate passing game TE targets.

The team drafted TE Gadsden, who should upgrade (increase?) the intermediate to deep passing game TE targets.

The team drafted RB Hampton, who is a good pass catching RB and could increase the passing game RB targets.

Considering all of that, how is Johnston a buy?

Yes?

McConkey and QJ aren't at odds with each other. Hampton is bigger concern to both IMO.

It's difficult to immediately give either Williams or Harris a slot over QJ right now. Williams is an oft injured 31 year old and hasn't been truly relevant since, let's be generous and say 2022 (IMO it's 2021).

Harris is shiny, you can't deny it, so was QJ, so was MW. So, I'm not going to overreact.

In a dynasty start up, sure take Harris first. In a redraft or start up keeper I'll take QJ.

The Williams injury stuff is overblown. He missed 14 games in 2023 after he tore his ACL, which is not predictive of future injuries. Other than those missed games, he has missed 7 of 106 possible games over the past 7 seasons. He just played in 19 games in 2024. I wouldn't assume Williams will play every game, but I do expect he will be the starting X WR and will play the most snaps at that position. He has obvious immediate chemistry with Herbert.

For 2025, it's not really about whether or not the others are clearly better than Johnston. The point is, all of McConkey, Williams, Harris, Lambert-Smith, Dissly, Conklin, Gadsden, and Hampton are going to get snaps and targets. Given it is a low passing attempt offense, that is going to cap Johnston's opportunity. Barring serious injuries to these other players, I think Johnston will play fewer snaps, run fewer routes, and get fewer targets. I suppose he could improve his performance on his targets, but his performance per target was already pretty good, so that seems rather unlikely. For example, I seriously doubt he will get 8 TDs again.

I appreciate the analysis.

I would suggest the tier of guys like Dissley, Lambert-Smith, Conklin...Gadsen??? etc shouldn't be considered relative to QJ than any other non-factor, occasional producer player that impacts any other player. And that applies to any other team.

McConkey and Hampton, and possibly Harris should be considered as a potential negative against any other fantasy contributor on the Charger offense.

Sure, Williams could supplant QJ as a starter, however I am not sure why that is. I mean, the Chargers signed him this off season, then again they let him walk the year before. It doesn't really feel like a mea culpa by Harbaugh so much as a "sure, why not?"

To be clear, i am not saying QJ is some kind of slam dunk. I just think that of all the guys after McConkey & Hampton, QJ is the one I find most interesting. I spoke above about why.

To me, that makes him a buy. Particularly at his price. Williams, draft guy, Harris and...Gadsen-ish??? aren't an impediment to QJ IMO.

On Williams, the Chargers released him last offseason because they were in a cap hell situation and could not afford his cap hit, especially coming off an ACL injury. Not because they were down on his ability. As I have said, he is going to start and play the most snaps at X WR barring injury. FWIW Johnston played most of his snaps last season at X.

As for your dismissal of the rest of what I previously posted, here is the bottom line IMO. Barring injuries to others, Johnston is going to play fewer snaps, run fewer routes, and get fewer targets. If those things end up being true, he will not be a fantasy value no matter where he is drafted. I'm fine agreeing to disagree with you about it at this point.

I don't truly get the whole cap vs salary etc stuff so help me understand. According to Spotrac Williams was in the last year of am$60 mil contract with an average salary of $20 mil (he got a $21 mil signing bonus so his 2024 salary should have been under $20 mil, right?)

He took $10 mil from the Jets. If the Chargers were in cap hell and really liked Williams, why didn't they renegotiate him to $10 mil?

Sincere question.

Williams was set to have a $32.6M cap hit in 2024 under his Chargers contract. Releasing him cleared $20M in 2024 cap space.

He had a $3M roster bonus due on 3/15/2024, so the Chargers released him on 3/13/2024 to avoid getting stuck with that bonus. Keep in mind, he tore his ACL on 9/24/2023, so the Chargers had to make this decision less than 6 months later.

Regardless, they needed the cap relief. Same reason they traded franchise icon Allen in the same offseason.

You ask why they didn't just renegotiate him down to $10M. The literally could not do that. Even if they could have gotten him to eliminate that $3M roster bonus, they still had $7M of his signing bonus and $5.46M of his restructure bonus that had to hit the 2024 cap. Even releasing him, they ate that $12.46M against their 2024 cap. Had they kept him, they would have had to pay him at least a minimum salary, which would have increased that cap hit to at least ~$14M. But think about it from Williams' perspective. In that scenario, he already got the $12.46M paid to him in previous years and would only be getting a minimum NFL salary in new cash. Getting released and signing that $10M contract with the Jets meant that he got +$10M. The Chargers weren't going to give him $10M above and beyond his $12.46M cap hit; they couldn't afford to do that.

But this offseason was different. The Chargers paid the toll for their cap hell issues last offseason. This offseason, they had cash to spend, and they were able to get Williams for a relative bargain. Last year, it was a nobrainer to release him. This year, it was a nobrainer to sign him. Context matters.

I really appreciate all that work. Seriously, that was, thorough. I sincerely hope you used AI for that.

So, this year he got one year at $3 mil. That seems more like kicking the tires money, than starter money, doesn't it?

You can believe whatever you want. If Williams is healthy, he is the week 1 starting X WR. How long he holds that job depends on whether he stays healthy and how rapidly Tre Harris adjusts from a college Air Raid offense to the NFL.

I will also note that Williams can earn up to $3M in incentives. Doesn't change the fact that his contract is relatively inexpensive, although he could end up making the most of any WR on the Chargers this season.

I have no problem saying Williams will be the starting X, I absolutely defer to you on that. But it's not believing what I want, it's what the market said.

You clearly follow the Chargers closely, how are the WRs as downfield blockers?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Redraft question:

Who will have a better fantasy season QJ or MW?

Please no "Well, I'll let someone else take QJ then swoop in at take MW X rounds later. Profit"

I say QJ.

If healthy? Williams. He knows how to catch the ball, and Herbert likes throwing it to him.

Williams only issue is health. He’s a very good outside receiver when healthy.

QJ’s biggest issue is being bad at football. He is bad at catching the ball, and has had mental gaffs running routes.

 

[Tau837]

Redraft question:

Who will have a better fantasy season QJ or MW?

Please no "Well, I'll let someone else take QJ then swoop in at take MW X rounds later. Profit"

I say QJ.

If both remain healthy, Williams. But I don't think either one will be strong fantasy options. It is a low passing attempt offense with one target hog in McConkey. Barring injuries, the rest of the targets will likely be spread around enough that it will limit fantasy value for others. It is possible Williams could be a favored red zone target that could help him fantasy-wise.

You clearly follow the Chargers closely, how are the WRs as downfield blockers?

Williams is the best run blocker among them. He has 5 seasons with PFF run blocking grades better than any run blocking grade Johnston or McConkey has had, although obviously they only have 3 NFL seasons between them.

 

[Faust]

Why Quentin Johnston is Motivated to Take Another Step For Chargers Offense

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Why Quentin Johnston is Motivated to Take Another Step For Chargers Offense

Without reading imma guess it has to do with the Chargers bringing in not one, but 2 dudes to replace him.

 

[SoBeDad]

Why Quentin Johnston is Motivated to Take Another Step For Chargers Offense

Without reading imma guess it has to do with the Chargers bringing in not one, but 2 dudes to replace him.

I noticed that both drafted WRs had favorable drop rates!

Take away QJ's drops, and he'd be a top 30 WR.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Take away QJ's drops, and he'd be a top 30 WR.

And if my aunt had a [redacted] she’d be my uncle.

 

[joey]

Take away QJ's drops, and he'd be a top 30 WR.

And if my aunt had a [redacted] she’d be my uncle.

Rate G version: and if my aunt had wheels, she’d be a bicycle.

 

[Biabreakable]

Redraft question:

Who will have a better fantasy season QJ or MW?

Please no "Well, I'll let someone else take QJ then swoop in at take MW X rounds later. Profit"

I say QJ.

I say no thanks to both.

 

[Chaka]

Mike Williams opening camp on the PUP.

Go figure.

 

[travdogg]

Mike Williams opening camp on the PUP.

Go figure.

Also Tre Harris unsigned in mid-July. Johnston is 100% going to be the #2 WR at least to open the season, and there is probably a good 65% chance or so, he never loses it. He took a clear step forward in year 2, where he went from awful to ok. Maybe year 3 he takes the step from ok to good? Of course, its just as likely that the Chargers are as run heavy a team as there is in the NFL, and its just McConkey that matters in the pass game.

 

[Tau837]

Mike Williams opening camp on the PUP.

Go figure.

Also Tre Harris unsigned in mid-July. Johnston is 100% going to be the #2 WR at least to open the season, and there is probably a good 65% chance or so, he never loses it. He took a clear step forward in year 2, where he went from awful to ok. Maybe year 3 he takes the step from ok to good? Of course, its just as likely that the Chargers are as run heavy a team as there is in the NFL, and its just McConkey that matters in the pass game.

I don't agree with the bolded at all. To say something so confidently implies to me that one knows that Williams will not be healthy to open the season. I'm not aware anyone knows that.

I expect Williams and Harris to dominate snaps at X WR for the Chargers this season. That moves Johnston to the Z, which is much better suited to his skill set IMO... but he will get a lot fewer snaps there, and thus less opportunity. I think the quality of his play will be better than in 2024, but the volume will be less, and he is unlikely to be a fantasy useful player, at least unless one or both of Williams and Harris miss substantial regular season playing time.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Williams only issue is health. He’s a very good outside receiver when healthy.

and age. Dude will be 31 by week 5.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Mike Williams is always hurt and at this point in his career is basically done. Tre Harris is an unproven rookie in a lackluster WR yr. I find QJ as a very good "what day hell" pick or decent throw in for some trades.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Williams only issue is health. He’s a very good outside receiver when healthy.

and age. Dude will be 31 by week 5.

Well there’s that sure.

 

[Tau837]

Mike Williams is always hurt

This is simply not true.

• 2017 - played 10 of 16 possible games -- opened the season on PUP due to herniated disk in his back; despite missing most of training cap due to the injury, he played in 10 of 11 games starting in week 6
• 2018 - played 18 of 18 possible games
• 2019 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2020 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2021 - played 16 of 17 possible games
• 2022 - played 13 of 18 possible games
• 2023 - played 3 of 17 possible games -- tore ACL in week 3
• 2024 - played 19 of 19 possible games

Starting in 2018, other than the games missed to his 2023 ACL injury, he played in 99 of 107 games over 7 seasons. If you think this injury history is predictive of future injury, I will agree to disagree with you.

 

[eighsse2]

Mike Williams is always hurt

This is simply not true.

2017 - played 10 of 16 possible games -- opened the season on PUP due to herniated disk in his back; played in 10 of 11 games starting in week 6
2018 - played 18 of 18 possible games
2019 - played 15 of 16 possible games
2020 - played 15 of 16 possible games
2021 - played 16 of 17 possible games
2022 - played 13 of 18 possible games
2023 - played 3 of 17 possible games -- tore ACL in week 3
2024 - played 19 of 19 possible games

Starting in 2018, other than the games missed to his 2023 ACL injury, he played in 99 of 107 games over 7 seasons. If you think this injury history is predictive of future injury, I will agree to disagree with you.

If you take the typical "[so-and-so] is always injured" thing and exaggerate the quantity of players to the same proportion that the injury frequency is exaggerated, it would probably just become "All the players are always injured. No one actually plays in any NFL games."

 

[jm192]

Williams is (soon to be) 31 and coming off a <300 yard season. He's credited as having played 18 games last year. In a 17 game season. Dude got an extra game and could NOT crack 300 yards.
And now he's on the PUP.

I like Tre Harris a lot long term. The holdout opens the door for QJ to hold onto the #2 spot at least this year.

QJ is quite a bit cheaper than Harris. One has zero NFL snaps. One had 700 yards and 8 TD's in 15 games. I can see the pathway for QJ. If you read the thread, I've been pretty anti-QJ. FBG has him at WR61. Fantasypros has him at WR65. I just think he CAN beat the cost.

I'm picking up a ton of QJ in best ball in the 13th round. We'll see where things stand come re-draft season.

 

[Tau837]

Williams is (soon to be) 31 and coming off a <300 yard season. He's credited as having played 18 games last year. In a 17 game season. Dude got an extra game and could NOT crack 300 yards.
And now he's on the PUP.

I like Tre Harris a lot long term. The holdout opens the door for QJ to hold onto the #2 spot at least this year.

QJ is quite a bit cheaper than Harris. One has zero NFL snaps. One had 700 yards and 8 TD's in 15 games. I can see the pathway for QJ. If you read the thread, I've been pretty anti-QJ. FBG has him at WR61. Fantasypros has him at WR65. I just think he CAN beat the cost.

I'm picking up a ton of QJ in best ball in the 13th round. We'll see where things stand come re-draft season.

Williams was coming off an ACL tear entering last season on a new team with a dysfunctional organization and subpar diva QB. Then he was traded midseason into an Arthur Smith offense with weak QB play. His numbers last season are not representative of the impact he should have in LA if healthy. Note I am talking NFL impact, not fantasy numbers.

This is not an offense that supports big numbers for multiple WRs, and McConkey is going to get big numbers. But IMO Williams is going to start at X WR if healthy. That implies QJ moves to Z, where he will get fewer snaps than last season. I expect he will play well in those snaps, but limited opportunity will limit his fantasy value. No way he touches 8 TDs again IMO, unless multiple other passing targets miss significant time.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Mike Williams is always hurt

This is simply not true.

2017 - played 10 of 16 possible games -- opened the season on PUP due to herniated disk in his back; played in 10 of 11 games starting in week 6
2018 - played 18 of 18 possible games
2019 - played 15 of 16 possible games
2020 - played 15 of 16 possible games
2021 - played 16 of 17 possible games
2022 - played 13 of 18 possible games
2023 - played 3 of 17 possible games -- tore ACL in week 3
2024 - played 19 of 19 possible games

Starting in 2018, other than the games missed to his 2023 ACL injury, he played in 99 of 107 games over 7 seasons. If you think this injury history is predictive of future injury, I will agree to disagree with you.

If you take the typical "[so-and-so] is always injured" thing and exaggerate the quantity of players to the same proportion that the injury frequency is exaggerated, it would probably just become "All the players are always injured. No one actually plays in any NFL games."

Thank you for the info, glad to see that ge is actually health. But with all that playing time he barely produces...

 

[munchkin420]

Mike Williams is always hurt

This is simply not true.

• 2017 - played 10 of 16 possible games -- opened the season on PUP due to herniated disk in his back; despite missing most of training cap due to the injury, he played in 10 of 11 games starting in week 6
• 2018 - played 18 of 18 possible games
• 2019 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2020 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2021 - played 16 of 17 possible games
• 2022 - played 13 of 18 possible games
• 2023 - played 3 of 17 possible games -- tore ACL in week 3
• 2024 - played 19 of 19 possible games

Starting in 2018, other than the games missed to his 2023 ACL injury, he played in 99 of 107 games over 7 seasons. If you think this injury history is predictive of future injury, I will agree to disagree with you.

He started 67 of those games. They both have a catch rate around 60%.
Williams did have 2 good years at over 1k yards. Williams was a maddening week to week player as a what the heck flex. Will Johnson be that, perhaps, but worth giving a shot for another year if you have the roster space and he is available at a point in the draft that reflects his uncertainty.
The camp "talk" has QJ as an improving player. Risk/reward (Luck) is a big part of FF.

 

[Big Nate]

QJ is worth a shot depending on league size. If he continues to make improvements he could be a decent second receiver for the team but it could be hit and miss each week. His consistency was/is the issue. He's not that expensive if you want to acquire him.

Best advice is if he has a good early game or two you can probably flip him early season in some sort of package deal. He had 3 TDs in the first 3 games last year so maybe he starts off hot again. For reference his value on KTC is a mid 2025 third right now. Maybe flip him for a second if he starts off hot and it takes Tre Harris time to get up to speed in the offence.

 

[Tau837]

Mike Williams is always hurt

This is simply not true.

• 2017 - played 10 of 16 possible games -- opened the season on PUP due to herniated disk in his back; despite missing most of training cap due to the injury, he played in 10 of 11 games starting in week 6
• 2018 - played 18 of 18 possible games
• 2019 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2020 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2021 - played 16 of 17 possible games
• 2022 - played 13 of 18 possible games
• 2023 - played 3 of 17 possible games -- tore ACL in week 3
• 2024 - played 19 of 19 possible games

Starting in 2018, other than the games missed to his 2023 ACL injury, he played in 99 of 107 games over 7 seasons. If you think this injury history is predictive of future injury, I will agree to disagree with you.

He started 67 of those games. They both have a catch rate around 60%.
Williams did have 2 good years at over 1k yards. Williams was a maddening week to week player as a what the heck flex. Will Johnson be that, perhaps, but worth giving a shot for another year if you have the roster space and he is available at a point in the draft that reflects his uncertainty.
The camp "talk" has QJ as an improving player. Risk/reward (Luck) is a big part of FF.

My whole point on this has been that I expect Johnston's snaps and thus opportunity are going to go down this year, barring injuries to others. Even though I expect the quality of his play to be as good as or better than 2024, I doubt he will reach 75% of his 2024 numbers.

 

[Big Nate]

Mike Williams is always hurt

This is simply not true.

• 2017 - played 10 of 16 possible games -- opened the season on PUP due to herniated disk in his back; despite missing most of training cap due to the injury, he played in 10 of 11 games starting in week 6
• 2018 - played 18 of 18 possible games
• 2019 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2020 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2021 - played 16 of 17 possible games
• 2022 - played 13 of 18 possible games
• 2023 - played 3 of 17 possible games -- tore ACL in week 3
• 2024 - played 19 of 19 possible games

Starting in 2018, other than the games missed to his 2023 ACL injury, he played in 99 of 107 games over 7 seasons. If you think this injury history is predictive of future injury, I will agree to disagree with you.

He started 67 of those games. They both have a catch rate around 60%.
Williams did have 2 good years at over 1k yards. Williams was a maddening week to week player as a what the heck flex. Will Johnson be that, perhaps, but worth giving a shot for another year if you have the roster space and he is available at a point in the draft that reflects his uncertainty.
The camp "talk" has QJ as an improving player. Risk/reward (Luck) is a big part of FF.

My whole point on this has been that I expect Johnston's snaps and thus opportunity are going to go down this year, barring injuries to others. Even though I expect the quality of his play to be as good as or better than 2024, I doubt he will reach 75% of his 2024 numbers.

He had 91 targets last year and 8 TDs. I would expect the TDs to come down BUT, they don't really have another guy that can be a big red zone threat if Williams is out. Ladd will get his but after that who do they have? Everyone wants Tre Harris to be the guy but like any rookie I will believe it when I see it.

QJ _could_ end up the #2 target in this offence. I'm not saying he's going to be great or anything but by just being available in this offense he could get close to 100 targets again. Just something to keep your eye on. Don't write anyone off or you miss out on opportunity.

If Harris signs and balls out in camp and takes over the #2 spot then so be it but even then QJ is the #3. I was not a big QJ fan when he came out, especially after his first season but I will admit he took steps to improve. I will keep an open mind here as the #2 passing option here could be worth while down the stretch (if QJ can be consistent).

 

[munchkin420]

I traded Jameson Williams for QJ and (what turned out to be) an early 2nd in 24 rookie draft. I ended up with Brian Thomas as a pick. That was very fortunate for me last year. How will Hunter affect his numbers, who knows. He is still young and was wide-a$$ open on some of his long td's. Time will tell on a number of players.

 

[Tau837]

Mike Williams is always hurt

This is simply not true.

• 2017 - played 10 of 16 possible games -- opened the season on PUP due to herniated disk in his back; despite missing most of training cap due to the injury, he played in 10 of 11 games starting in week 6
• 2018 - played 18 of 18 possible games
• 2019 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2020 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2021 - played 16 of 17 possible games
• 2022 - played 13 of 18 possible games
• 2023 - played 3 of 17 possible games -- tore ACL in week 3
• 2024 - played 19 of 19 possible games

Starting in 2018, other than the games missed to his 2023 ACL injury, he played in 99 of 107 games over 7 seasons. If you think this injury history is predictive of future injury, I will agree to disagree with you.

He started 67 of those games. They both have a catch rate around 60%.
Williams did have 2 good years at over 1k yards. Williams was a maddening week to week player as a what the heck flex. Will Johnson be that, perhaps, but worth giving a shot for another year if you have the roster space and he is available at a point in the draft that reflects his uncertainty.
The camp "talk" has QJ as an improving player. Risk/reward (Luck) is a big part of FF.

My whole point on this has been that I expect Johnston's snaps and thus opportunity are going to go down this year, barring injuries to others. Even though I expect the quality of his play to be as good as or better than 2024, I doubt he will reach 75% of his 2024 numbers.

He had 91 targets last year and 8 TDs. I would expect the TDs to come down BUT, they don't really have another guy that can be a big red zone threat if Williams is out. Ladd will get his but after that who do they have? Everyone wants Tre Harris to be the guy but like any rookie I will believe it when I see it.

QJ _could_ end up the #2 target in this offence. I'm not saying he's going to be great or anything but by just being available in this offense he could get close to 100 targets again. Just something to keep your eye on. Don't write anyone off or you miss out on opportunity.

If Harris signs and balls out in camp and takes over the #2 spot then so be it but even then QJ is the #3. I was not a big QJ fan when he came out, especially after his first season but I will admit he took steps to improve. I will keep an open mind here as the #2 passing option here could be worth while down the stretch (if QJ can be consistent).

Do they have better red zone targets compared to last season? Of course. They added Williams, a known quality red zone target. Same for TE Conklin. THey drafted Harris, though it remains to be seen how good he will be in the red zone... I would expect him to be a solid option. They also improved their running game, which could translate to more drives ending in rushing TDs.

I will be very surprised if Johnston gets anything close to 100 targets. I'll project 70 targets for now, barring injuries.

 

[Big Nate]

Mike Williams is always hurt

This is simply not true.

• 2017 - played 10 of 16 possible games -- opened the season on PUP due to herniated disk in his back; despite missing most of training cap due to the injury, he played in 10 of 11 games starting in week 6
• 2018 - played 18 of 18 possible games
• 2019 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2020 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2021 - played 16 of 17 possible games
• 2022 - played 13 of 18 possible games
• 2023 - played 3 of 17 possible games -- tore ACL in week 3
• 2024 - played 19 of 19 possible games

Starting in 2018, other than the games missed to his 2023 ACL injury, he played in 99 of 107 games over 7 seasons. If you think this injury history is predictive of future injury, I will agree to disagree with you.

He started 67 of those games. They both have a catch rate around 60%.
Williams did have 2 good years at over 1k yards. Williams was a maddening week to week player as a what the heck flex. Will Johnson be that, perhaps, but worth giving a shot for another year if you have the roster space and he is available at a point in the draft that reflects his uncertainty.
The camp "talk" has QJ as an improving player. Risk/reward (Luck) is a big part of FF.

My whole point on this has been that I expect Johnston's snaps and thus opportunity are going to go down this year, barring injuries to others. Even though I expect the quality of his play to be as good as or better than 2024, I doubt he will reach 75% of his 2024 numbers.

He had 91 targets last year and 8 TDs. I would expect the TDs to come down BUT, they don't really have another guy that can be a big red zone threat if Williams is out. Ladd will get his but after that who do they have? Everyone wants Tre Harris to be the guy but like any rookie I will believe it when I see it.

QJ _could_ end up the #2 target in this offence. I'm not saying he's going to be great or anything but by just being available in this offense he could get close to 100 targets again. Just something to keep your eye on. Don't write anyone off or you miss out on opportunity.

If Harris signs and balls out in camp and takes over the #2 spot then so be it but even then QJ is the #3. I was not a big QJ fan when he came out, especially after his first season but I will admit he took steps to improve. I will keep an open mind here as the #2 passing option here could be worth while down the stretch (if QJ can be consistent).

Do they have better red zone targets compared to last season? Of course. They added Williams, a known quality red zone target. Same for TE Conklin. THey drafted Harris, though it remains to be seen how good he will be in the red zone... I would expect him to be a solid option. They also improved their running game, which could translate to more drives ending in rushing TDs.

I will be very surprised if Johnston gets anything close to 100 targets. I'll project 70 targets for now, barring injuries.

Williams hasn't done anything in 2 years and he's starting the season on PUP. Harris is not yet signed. I do like Conklin but he's never finished as a top 15 TE - maybe season 7 breakout at 30?

Herbert sent nearly 100 targets his way last year so at minimum the situation is worth monitoring. I'm not saying he's going to be great but right now he's the #2 in what should be a better offense this year.

 

[Tau837]

Mike Williams is always hurt

This is simply not true.

• 2017 - played 10 of 16 possible games -- opened the season on PUP due to herniated disk in his back; despite missing most of training cap due to the injury, he played in 10 of 11 games starting in week 6
• 2018 - played 18 of 18 possible games
• 2019 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2020 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2021 - played 16 of 17 possible games
• 2022 - played 13 of 18 possible games
• 2023 - played 3 of 17 possible games -- tore ACL in week 3
• 2024 - played 19 of 19 possible games

Starting in 2018, other than the games missed to his 2023 ACL injury, he played in 99 of 107 games over 7 seasons. If you think this injury history is predictive of future injury, I will agree to disagree with you.

He started 67 of those games. They both have a catch rate around 60%.
Williams did have 2 good years at over 1k yards. Williams was a maddening week to week player as a what the heck flex. Will Johnson be that, perhaps, but worth giving a shot for another year if you have the roster space and he is available at a point in the draft that reflects his uncertainty.
The camp "talk" has QJ as an improving player. Risk/reward (Luck) is a big part of FF.

My whole point on this has been that I expect Johnston's snaps and thus opportunity are going to go down this year, barring injuries to others. Even though I expect the quality of his play to be as good as or better than 2024, I doubt he will reach 75% of his 2024 numbers.

He had 91 targets last year and 8 TDs. I would expect the TDs to come down BUT, they don't really have another guy that can be a big red zone threat if Williams is out. Ladd will get his but after that who do they have? Everyone wants Tre Harris to be the guy but like any rookie I will believe it when I see it.

QJ _could_ end up the #2 target in this offence. I'm not saying he's going to be great or anything but by just being available in this offense he could get close to 100 targets again. Just something to keep your eye on. Don't write anyone off or you miss out on opportunity.

If Harris signs and balls out in camp and takes over the #2 spot then so be it but even then QJ is the #3. I was not a big QJ fan when he came out, especially after his first season but I will admit he took steps to improve. I will keep an open mind here as the #2 passing option here could be worth while down the stretch (if QJ can be consistent).

Do they have better red zone targets compared to last season? Of course. They added Williams, a known quality red zone target. Same for TE Conklin. THey drafted Harris, though it remains to be seen how good he will be in the red zone... I would expect him to be a solid option. They also improved their running game, which could translate to more drives ending in rushing TDs.

I will be very surprised if Johnston gets anything close to 100 targets. I'll project 70 targets for now, barring injuries.

Williams hasn't done anything in 2 years and he's starting the season on PUP. Harris is not yet signed. I do like Conklin but he's never finished as a top 15 TE - maybe season 7 breakout at 30?

Herbert sent nearly 100 targets his way last year so at minimum the situation is worth monitoring. I'm not saying he's going to be great but right now he's the #2 in what should be a better offense this year.

Look, you clearly are not going to be convinced, and that's fine. I will just agree to disagree with you about Johnston's fantasy prospects. I expect he will produce 75% of his numbers last season at best. I have given my reasons.

 

[Big Nate]

Mike Williams is always hurt

This is simply not true.

• 2017 - played 10 of 16 possible games -- opened the season on PUP due to herniated disk in his back; despite missing most of training cap due to the injury, he played in 10 of 11 games starting in week 6
• 2018 - played 18 of 18 possible games
• 2019 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2020 - played 15 of 16 possible games
• 2021 - played 16 of 17 possible games
• 2022 - played 13 of 18 possible games
• 2023 - played 3 of 17 possible games -- tore ACL in week 3
• 2024 - played 19 of 19 possible games

Starting in 2018, other than the games missed to his 2023 ACL injury, he played in 99 of 107 games over 7 seasons. If you think this injury history is predictive of future injury, I will agree to disagree with you.

He started 67 of those games. They both have a catch rate around 60%.
Williams did have 2 good years at over 1k yards. Williams was a maddening week to week player as a what the heck flex. Will Johnson be that, perhaps, but worth giving a shot for another year if you have the roster space and he is available at a point in the draft that reflects his uncertainty.
The camp "talk" has QJ as an improving player. Risk/reward (Luck) is a big part of FF.

My whole point on this has been that I expect Johnston's snaps and thus opportunity are going to go down this year, barring injuries to others. Even though I expect the quality of his play to be as good as or better than 2024, I doubt he will reach 75% of his 2024 numbers.

He had 91 targets last year and 8 TDs. I would expect the TDs to come down BUT, they don't really have another guy that can be a big red zone threat if Williams is out. Ladd will get his but after that who do they have? Everyone wants Tre Harris to be the guy but like any rookie I will believe it when I see it.

QJ _could_ end up the #2 target in this offence. I'm not saying he's going to be great or anything but by just being available in this offense he could get close to 100 targets again. Just something to keep your eye on. Don't write anyone off or you miss out on opportunity.

If Harris signs and balls out in camp and takes over the #2 spot then so be it but even then QJ is the #3. I was not a big QJ fan when he came out, especially after his first season but I will admit he took steps to improve. I will keep an open mind here as the #2 passing option here could be worth while down the stretch (if QJ can be consistent).

Do they have better red zone targets compared to last season? Of course. They added Williams, a known quality red zone target. Same for TE Conklin. THey drafted Harris, though it remains to be seen how good he will be in the red zone... I would expect him to be a solid option. They also improved their running game, which could translate to more drives ending in rushing TDs.

I will be very surprised if Johnston gets anything close to 100 targets. I'll project 70 targets for now, barring injuries.

Williams hasn't done anything in 2 years and he's starting the season on PUP. Harris is not yet signed. I do like Conklin but he's never finished as a top 15 TE - maybe season 7 breakout at 30?

Herbert sent nearly 100 targets his way last year so at minimum the situation is worth monitoring. I'm not saying he's going to be great but right now he's the #2 in what should be a better offense this year.

Look, you clearly are not going to be convinced, and that's fine. I will just agree to disagree with you about Johnston's fantasy prospects. I expect he will produce 75% of his numbers last season at best. I have given my reasons.

I don't have to be convinced about anything. Just keep an open mind if he ends up the #2 to start the season. If not then you can say you are right. It doesn't bother me but I won't write someone off before the season starts.

 

[eighsse2]

Maybe I just have Quentin-Johnston-owner-colored glasses, but I always like a guy who was considered an elite prospect coming into the NFL even if he has a bad year or two. I know I know, Laquon is on the phone to speak with me, and N'Keal is waiting on hold. But still.

 

[Big Nate]

Maybe I just have Quentin-Johnston-owner-colored glasses, but I always like a guy who was considered an elite prospect coming into the NFL even if he has a bad year or two. I know I know, Laquon is on the phone to speak with me, and N'Keal is waiting on hold. But still.

He's a great prospect that still has issues with catching and tracking the ball at times that leads to inconsistencies. He improved a lot last year after a horrible year 1. Did he hit his ceiling last year? Maybe, but he also might keep improving. I don't own him myself but someone I'm keeping my eye on and may send an offer if it looks like he could be the #2 this year.

 

[eighsse2]

Maybe I just have Quentin-Johnston-owner-colored glasses, but I always like a guy who was considered an elite prospect coming into the NFL even if he has a bad year or two. I know I know, Laquon is on the phone to speak with me, and N'Keal is waiting on hold. But still.

He's a great prospect that still has issues with catching and tracking the ball at times that leads to inconsistencies. He improved a lot last year after a horrible year 1. Did he hit his ceiling last year? Maybe, but he also might keep improving. I don't own him myself but someone I'm keeping my eye on and may send an offer if it looks like he could be the #2 this year.

Anyone who's writing him off should have a very short leash on Marvin Harrison Jr next year, for instance. Johnston's catch percentage in his rookie season was better than Harrison's in his rookie season, and he increased that significantly in Johnston's second season. The point being, I doubt most people are remotely close to writing off Harrison. So why write off Johnston yet?