WR Rashee Rice, KC (2 Viewers)

[Chaka]

So Von Miller gets suspended this week due to "allegations" that he assaulted his girlfreind.
... yet Rashee Rice, after being charged with 8 felony counts, civil suits filed against him due to personal injury from said felony, video of the felony before, during, and after, and what seemed to be an admission of guilt... (Rice turned himself in to police, admitted to driving the Lamborghini, and apologized for his actions)
and he gets an NFL "We'll get back to you. Now get out there and play. Your team needs you."
I don't understand.
Now there's a chance Rice serves whatever suspension he gets when he's injured anyway?
Between this situation and every game deciding call / non-call going KC's way, you can't tell me the NFL isn't pushing for the KC Swifties to win another SB.

This has been debated. I don't claim to know whether you're allowed to serve a suspension while on IR.

It's probably why they didn't put him on season ending IR.

If Rice resolves his legal b.s. the Chiefs bring him back from IR, he gets suspended, goes on to do his rehab anyway and the Chiefs get a roster exemption for the suspended player.

I believe it is perfectly within the rules and strategically brilliant.

Wouldn't that be something if the player nor the team suffers any NFL consequences from this turds 8 felonies.
Strategically brilliant.

It would be horrible.

He deserves to do jail time. I'm not sure how much but 8-12 months seems about right.

I don't know why people are so up in arms if he serves his NFL suspension while injured.

Serving his suspension while in jail, I can see having a problem with.

Didn't the NFL suspend Vick after he got out of prison?

 

[efactor]

So Von Miller gets suspended this week due to "allegations" that he assaulted his girlfreind.
... yet Rashee Rice, after being charged with 8 felony counts, civil suits filed against him due to personal injury from said felony, video of the felony before, during, and after, and what seemed to be an admission of guilt... (Rice turned himself in to police, admitted to driving the Lamborghini, and apologized for his actions)
and he gets an NFL "We'll get back to you. Now get out there and play. Your team needs you."
I don't understand.
Now there's a chance Rice serves whatever suspension he gets when he's injured anyway?
Between this situation and every game deciding call / non-call going KC's way, you can't tell me the NFL isn't pushing for the KC Swifties to win another SB.

This has been debated. I don't claim to know whether you're allowed to serve a suspension while on IR.

It's probably why they didn't put him on season ending IR.

If Rice resolves his legal b.s. the Chiefs bring him back from IR, he gets suspended, goes on to do his rehab anyway and the Chiefs get a roster exemption for the suspended player.

I believe it is perfectly within the rules and strategically brilliant.

Wouldn't that be something if the player nor the team suffers any NFL consequences from this turds 8 felonies.
Strategically brilliant.

I don't know why people are so up in arms if he serves his NFL suspension while injured.

Please tell me you’re joking?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don't know why people are so up in arms if he serves his NFL suspension while injured.

Because it effectively means there was no punishment at all. A suspension while he’s not playing anyway = zero consequences for his actions.

That one shouldn’t be tough to decipher my dude.

 

[Chaka]

So Von Miller gets suspended this week due to "allegations" that he assaulted his girlfreind.
... yet Rashee Rice, after being charged with 8 felony counts, civil suits filed against him due to personal injury from said felony, video of the felony before, during, and after, and what seemed to be an admission of guilt... (Rice turned himself in to police, admitted to driving the Lamborghini, and apologized for his actions)
and he gets an NFL "We'll get back to you. Now get out there and play. Your team needs you."
I don't understand.
Now there's a chance Rice serves whatever suspension he gets when he's injured anyway?
Between this situation and every game deciding call / non-call going KC's way, you can't tell me the NFL isn't pushing for the KC Swifties to win another SB.

This has been debated. I don't claim to know whether you're allowed to serve a suspension while on IR.

It's probably why they didn't put him on season ending IR.

If Rice resolves his legal b.s. the Chiefs bring him back from IR, he gets suspended, goes on to do his rehab anyway and the Chiefs get a roster exemption for the suspended player.

I believe it is perfectly within the rules and strategically brilliant.

Wouldn't that be something if the player nor the team suffers any NFL consequences from this turds 8 felonies.
Strategically brilliant.

I don't know why people are so up in arms if he serves his NFL suspension while injured.

Please tell me you’re joking?

Not at all. Where is the clause in the CBA that says a player must be fully healthy to serve a suspension? That's an honest question.

If a suspended player hurts his knee tripping into a glass table while playing with his kids, or blows off some fingers playing with fireworks would you expect the suspension to be suspended until after the player heals?

 

[Chaka]

I don't know why people are so up in arms if he serves his NFL suspension while injured.

Because it effectively means there was no punishment at all. A suspension while he’s not playing anyway = zero co sequences for his actions.

That one shouldn’t be tough to decipher my dude.

I think people are confusing me saying it shouldn't be viewed as a big deal with the idea that I support it. They are two different things.

I thought most people knew I am a die hard Raiders fan. On that level I would love nothing more than to see Rice suspended for life and the Chiefs permanently lose their first round draft picks.

But as an objective observer I fail to see the problem. Is it in the CBA that a player be healthy to be suspended?

That's an honest question, BTW. I don't know the answer. But until someone clarifies that it is, I don't see this as some huge outrage.

 

[Chaka]

Justice for Rice's eight felonies (EIGHT!!!) should be meted out by the Dallas judicial system.

That is where I am personally gearing up to throw my outrage. If he doesn't serve jail time that is some major B.S. and we should all match on Dallas.

Well, I would march but...I don't want to.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Justice for Rice's eight felonies (EIGHT!!!) should be meted out by the Dallas judicial system.

That is where I am personally gearing up to throw my outrage. If he doesn't serve jail time that is some major B.S. and we should all match on Dallas.

Well, I would march but...I don't want to.

heres the thing though - the NFL *does* have a conduct unbecoming policy.

The NFL *does* meet out punishment before the course of justice has run.

If ever there was a situation where a suspension before ascertaining guilt in a court of law was merited, *this* is the example. We know for a fact the dude had a felony hit & run causing injury. There’s literally no need to wait for the guilty verdict for that one. He admitted it. Said he took responsibility for it.

So there it is. The NFL seems contend on dragging their heels on this one. And it’s hard not to notice that he’s a KC Chief, and other players have been suspended for conduct policy for seemingly less, or at least less proven claims.

It comes off as very shady. Either they should have the policy and equally enforce it, or they shouldn’t have the policy & let everything go through the legal channels.

 

[Chaka]

Justice for Rice's eight felonies (EIGHT!!!) should be meted out by the Dallas judicial system.

That is where I am personally gearing up to throw my outrage. If he doesn't serve jail time that is some major B.S. and we should all match on Dallas.

Well, I would march but...I don't want to.

heres the thing though - the NFL *does* have a conduct unbecoming policy.

The NFL *does* meet out punishment before the course of justice has run.

If ever there was a situation where a suspension before ascertaining guilt in a court of law was merited, *this* is the example. We know for a fact the dude had a felony hit & run causing injury. There’s literally no need to wait for the guilty verdict for that one. He admitted it. Said he took responsibility for it.

So there it is. The NFL seems contend on dragging their heels on this one. And it’s hard not to notice that he’s a KC Chief, and other players have been suspended for conduct policy for seemingly less, or at least less proven claims.

It comes off as very shady. Either they should have the policy and equally enforce it, or they shouldn’t have the policy & let everything go through the legal channels.

The League has tremendous latitude on suspension issues. They probably could suspend Rice. But, as @rockaction pointed out they seemingly only exercise that option in cases of domestic abuse. They might as well codify it in the Personal Conduct Policy as The Ray Rice exception.

Thing is there is a ton of precedent for them not exercising that authority and they, seemingly, but not always, use it a lot when there is a criminal case pending.

If Rice's actions had led to a fiery crash and people died do you think he would ever have played football again. Or would he be the next Henry Ruggs?

 

[Chaka]

Unfortunately, the sad reality is since no one died and there was no outrage from the general public the NFL had no incentive to suspend Rice before the legal proceedings are finished.

 

[Smack Tripper]

So Von Miller gets suspended this week due to "allegations" that he assaulted his girlfreind.
... yet Rashee Rice, after being charged with 8 felony counts, civil suits filed against him due to personal injury from said felony, video of the felony before, during, and after, and what seemed to be an admission of guilt... (Rice turned himself in to police, admitted to driving the Lamborghini, and apologized for his actions)
and he gets an NFL "We'll get back to you. Now get out there and play. Your team needs you."
I don't understand.
Now there's a chance Rice serves whatever suspension he gets when he's injured anyway?
Between this situation and every game deciding call / non-call going KC's way, you can't tell me the NFL isn't pushing for the KC Swifties to win another SB.

This has been debated. I don't claim to know whether you're allowed to serve a suspension while on IR.

It's probably why they didn't put him on season ending IR.

If Rice resolves his legal b.s. (ETA to clarify: by this I mean it's b.s. if he settles without jail time) the Chiefs bring him back from IR, he gets suspended, goes on to do his rehab anyway and the Chiefs get a roster exemption for the suspended player.

I believe it is perfectly within the rules and strategically brilliant.

Reid is low-key kind of a scumbag. He is the fat cuddly mustache nuggies guy but between his homelife and these multiple suspect track record guys he brings in and if they enable this Rice without any real punishment, leaves a bad taste.

 

[rockaction]

Thing is there is a ton of precedent for them not exercising that authority and they, seemingly, but not always, use it a lot when there is a criminal case pending.

This is what I was trying to get at. When there's a criminal case pending the NFL tends not to suspend before the justice system has its say. Almost never. Unless it's domestic violence. The Wikipedia link I linked to shows the exact suspensions under the Personal Conduct Policy, which I believe has been upheld as part of the CBA by the court system (which was shaky, by the way). Among those are the domestic violence suspensions that never saw a court of law, or if they did, they involved a player who was found not guilty. It's really domestic violence that a suspension issues before the judicial system has its say and then the rest of the behaviors get punished after the justice system gets through with the player.

And the reason that domestic violence creates such an issue for the NFL—and why they suspend without due process—is because of the conflicting push/pull of the parties' desires. The evidence required for domestic arrests is different and the mandatory nature of the proceedings once a domestic claim has been issued are also very different than typical due process issues. The NFL looks to mete out punishment for DV because so many real cases are recanted by the party that initially complained of the behavior.

It's all really ugly and I'm not sure how it's worked this past decade, but it seems to have passed judicial scrutiny.

 

[JohnnyU]

So Von Miller gets suspended this week due to "allegations" that he assaulted his girlfreind.
... yet Rashee Rice, after being charged with 8 felony counts, civil suits filed against him due to personal injury from said felony, video of the felony before, during, and after, and what seemed to be an admission of guilt... (Rice turned himself in to police, admitted to driving the Lamborghini, and apologized for his actions)
and he gets an NFL "We'll get back to you. Now get out there and play. Your team needs you."
I don't understand.
Now there's a chance Rice serves whatever suspension he gets when he's injured anyway?
Between this situation and every game deciding call / non-call going KC's way, you can't tell me the NFL isn't pushing for the KC Swifties to win another SB.

This has been debated. I don't claim to know whether you're allowed to serve a suspension while on IR.

It's probably why they didn't put him on season ending IR.

If Rice resolves his legal b.s. (ETA to clarify: by this I mean it's b.s. if he settles without jail time) the Chiefs bring him back from IR, he gets suspended, goes on to do his rehab anyway and the Chiefs get a roster exemption for the suspended player.

I believe it is perfectly within the rules and strategically brilliant.

Reid is low-key kind of a scumbag. He is the fat cuddly mustache nuggies guy but between his homelife and these multiple suspect track record guys he brings in and if they enable this Rice without any real punishment, leaves a bad taste.

He reminds me of Wilford Brimley as Pop Fisher in The Natural, only not having the morals.

 

[rockaction]

He reminds me of Wilford Brimley as Pop Fisher in The Natural, only not having the morals.

Was Pop Fisher really a moralist? How'd he feel about Kim Basinger? You think you'd warn old Roy about her . . .

 

[menobrown]

Unfortunately, the sad reality is since no one died and there was no outrage from the general public the NFL had no incentive to suspend Rice before the legal proceedings are finished.

This is how the NFL has operated for the last decade plus and they still usually don't suspend when their is public outrage until the legal process plays out. They use the exempt list or use it as a threat to get teams compliant with them to make the player go away until the legal process plays out and they can suspend.

This never became more apparent to me then with Antonio Brown. He gets a civil suit, Raiders cut him, Patriots sign him, he plays that one game and then Jenny Vrentas does a hit piece on him and the public outrage got so intense NE cuts him and the whole league puts him on ice because of the implied threat of the exempt list.

It's all a PR game for the NFL with regards to suspensions. Always has been.

And teams and the players always strategize to work around it. There was considerable outrage by some people, not me, over how Cleveland structured Watson's contract so that his lost wages were minimal. I believe in that case that was standard protocol for how Cleveland structured contracts, but I recall the same website, PFT, trying to make a big deal out that it was all done to skirt the system.

 

[JohnnyU]

He reminds me of Wilford Brimley as Pop Fisher in The Natural, only not having the morals.

Was Pop Fisher really a moralist? How'd he feel about Kim Basinger? You think you'd warn old Roy about her . . .

He tried to warn him. Pop warns Hobbs about Memo, saying, “Look, I love her, but I think she’s bad luck”. I paraphrase.

 

[Bossman]

heres the thing though - the NFL *does* have a conduct unbecoming policy.

The NFL *does* meet out punishment before the course of justice has run.

If ever there was a situation where a suspension before ascertaining guilt in a court of law was merited, *this* is the example. We know for a fact the dude had a felony hit & run causing injury. There’s literally no need to wait for the guilty verdict for that one. He admitted it. Said he took responsibility for it.

So there it is. The NFL seems contend on dragging their heels on this one. And it’s hard not to notice that he’s a KC Chief, and other players have been suspended for conduct policy for seemingly less, or at least less proven claims.

It comes off as very shady. Either they should have the policy and equally enforce it, or they shouldn’t have the policy & let everything go through the legal channels.

I didn't think that any conduct deemed detrimental to the league had to wait until the legal process "plays out".
Has there ever been another situation where the NFL waited a year (or three) for court dates and potential retrials?
Why would Rashee Rice's charge of aggravated assault be handled different from domestic assault? Because he did it with a car and not his hands??

If he's not able to serve a suspension while he's on IR this year, maybe his lawyers can drag this out so he can play all of next season too!
Strategically brilliant.

 

[Chaka]

Donte Stallworth wasn't suspended until after his criminal proceedings for DUI manslaughter. Full season suspension.

Ditto Leonard Little. Eight game suspension.

 

[Chaka]

Has there ever been another situation where the NFL waited a year (or three) for court dates and potential retrials?

Donte Stallworth 2008. DUI manslaughter.

 

[Bossman]

Or how about this ...
KC takes it upon themselves to dole out a 10 game suspension this year while Rice is unable to play anyway. Starting this week.
Then when the time comes for the NFL to suspend him, they can take into account that he's already served 10 games. Time Served.
Strategically brilliant.

 

[rockaction]

He tried to warn him. Pop warns Hobbs about Memo, saying, “Look, I love her, but I think she’s bad luck”. I paraphrase.

Heh. I vaguely remember that, actually. I was just kidding.

 

[Buckna]

heres the thing though - the NFL *does* have a conduct unbecoming policy.

The NFL *does* meet out punishment before the course of justice has run.

If ever there was a situation where a suspension before ascertaining guilt in a court of law was merited, *this* is the example. We know for a fact the dude had a felony hit & run causing injury. There’s literally no need to wait for the guilty verdict for that one. He admitted it. Said he took responsibility for it.

So there it is. The NFL seems contend on dragging their heels on this one. And it’s hard not to notice that he’s a KC Chief, and other players have been suspended for conduct policy for seemingly less, or at least less proven claims.

It comes off as very shady. Either they should have the policy and equally enforce it, or they shouldn’t have the policy & let everything go through the legal channels.

I didn't think that any conduct deemed detrimental to the league had to wait until the legal process "plays out".
Has there ever been another situation where the NFL waited a year (or three) for court dates and potential retrials?
Why would Rashee Rice's charge of aggravated assault be handled different from domestic assault? Because he did it with a car and not his hands??

If he's not able to serve a suspension while he's on IR this year, maybe his lawyers can drag this out so he can play all of next season too!
Strategically brilliant.

Deshaun Watson was nearly two years after the allegations surfaced. Von Millers current suspension was handed out 11 months after the alleged incident

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Donte Stallworth 2008. DUI manslaughter.

Dionte didn’t come out and apologize for it, nor did he flee the scene. IIRC there was some question as to whether the dude he hit was under the influence, or wheher Stallworth was at fault.

That’s a major difference here. There’s literally nothing to wait for. It meets every definition of conduct unbecoming the shield.

There’s zero reason for the NFL to not suspend him since he clearly did that. There’s no ambiguity, nor do they have to wait for the course of justice, since he 100% absolutely did that.

Maybe the other 7 felonies come with their own league consequences, but it’s shameful and hypocritical that Rice was allowed to play this year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Deshaun Watson was nearly two years after the allegations surfaced. Bon Millers current suspension was handed out 11 months after the alleged incident

Unlike Rice, Watson denied any wrongdoing so it was he said she said.

It’s just a total wildcard on who gets suspended for conduct.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

These dudes are approaching CMC levels of screwing fantasy teams here.

The second I drop this dude they announce he will be back this season. I hold onto him and they will inevitably say oh yeah he’s out now til next year

In most of my redrafts when you have a player with a severe injury - "IR" typically you get first dibs on the waiver wire at the same position you had the injury
Since that didn't happen right away on T/W, just simply keeping him thru the weekend to leap frog waivers but at the same time, there really isn't much on waivers anyone wants

 

[nyg350]

Donte Stallworth 2008. DUI manslaughter.

Dionte didn’t come out and apologize for it, nor did he flee the scene. IIRC there was some question as to whether the dude he hit was under the influence, or wheher Stallworth was at fault.

That’s a major difference here. There’s literally nothing to wait for. It meets every definition of conduct unbecoming the shield.

There’s zero reason for the NFL to not suspend him since he clearly did that. There’s no ambiguity, nor do they have to wait for the course of justice, since he 100% absolutely did that.

Maybe the other 7 felonies come with their own league consequences, but it’s shameful and hypocritical that Rice was allowed to play this year.

Per the CBA, I don’t believe you can be suspended twice for the same incident. Therefore, they want all the legal stuff sorted out before they make any decision on the suspension.

They didn’t want to suspend him for 4 games (or whatever) for the incident. Then through the legal process more stuff comes out and they want to suspend him more.

You may not agree with it, but it makes sense.

If they suspended him once then tried to suspend him more after more came out, it would be a violation of the CBA and the players association would rightly defend rice even if what comes out is awful.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Donte Stallworth wasn't suspended until after his criminal proceedings for DUI manslaughter. Full season suspension.

Ditto Leonard Little. Eight game suspension.

Leonard initially got nothing if memory serves and the backlash got him

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Donte Stallworth 2008. DUI manslaughter.

Dionte didn’t come out and apologize for it, nor did he flee the scene. IIRC there was some question as to whether the dude he hit was under the influence, or wheher Stallworth was at fault.

That’s a major difference here. There’s literally nothing to wait for. It meets every definition of conduct unbecoming the shield.

There’s zero reason for the NFL to not suspend him since he clearly did that. There’s no ambiguity, nor do they have to wait for the course of justice, since he 100% absolutely did that.

Maybe the other 7 felonies come with their own league consequences, but it’s shameful and hypocritical that Rice was allowed to play this year.

Per the CBA, I don’t believe you can be suspended twice for the same incident. Therefore, they want all the legal stuff sorted out before they make any decision on the suspension.

They didn’t want to suspend him for 4 games (or whatever) for the incident. Then through the legal process more stuff comes out and they want to suspend him more.

You may not agree with it, but it makes sense.

If they suspended him once then tried to suspend him more after more came out, it would be a violation of the CBA and the players association would rightly defend rice even if what comes out is awful.

So if he was sentenced to prison he wouldn’t miss any more games?

Cmon. That’s no reason to not suspend Rice who *admitted* he committed a felony H&R.

 

[Insein]

Legal proceedings aside, the use of the 4 game IR slot over season ending IR is definitely of note here. Teams don't waste the in season IR spots lightly. If they thought he was done for the year, they wouldn't have wasted it for Rice.

I think he'll be back. The questions are when and if he'll be as good as he was to start the year.

I'm thinking if they announce he'll be back this year, that's the moment I trade him to someone else. I don't think he'll have the same form as he did to start the season.

 

[kface]

Keeping him is killing my roster with so many people hurt...I've missed out picking up wicks, Tracey etc...

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Legal proceedings aside, the use of the 4 game IR slot over season ending IR is definitely of note here. Teams don't waste the in season IR spots lightly. If they thought he was done for the year, they wouldn't have wasted it for Rice.

I think he'll be back. The questions are when and if he'll be as good as he was to start the year.

I'm thinking if they announce he'll be back this year, that's the moment I trade him to someone else. I don't think he'll have the same form as he did to start the season.

I’m not certain that conclusion can be drawn.

They’ve said they are waiting for the swelling to go down to do further tests to see what’s really going on.

I could envision a scenario where they go back and confirm the worst, and move him off the 4-week.

Why put him on season-ending IR until they know more?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So Romeo Doubs complained a couple times, missed a couple practices, and the Packers suspended him for “conduct unbecoming the team” but Rice has [gestures at the 8 felonies & total public embarrassment] and the Chiefs are all

 

[Insein]

Legal proceedings aside, the use of the 4 game IR slot over season ending IR is definitely of note here. Teams don't waste the in season IR spots lightly. If they thought he was done for the year, they wouldn't have wasted it for Rice.

I think he'll be back. The questions are when and if he'll be as good as he was to start the year.

I'm thinking if they announce he'll be back this year, that's the moment I trade him to someone else. I don't think he'll have the same form as he did to start the season.

I’m not certain that conclusion can be drawn.

They’ve said they are waiting for the swelling to go down to so further tests to see what’s really going on.

I could envision a scenario where they go back and confirm the worst, and move him off the 4-week.

Why put him on season-ending IR until they know more?

Don't put him on any IR until you know then. Keep him on the active roster until you know. I think they lose the spot even if they don't use it for a full 4 weeks.

 

[Insein]

So Romeo Doubs complained a couple times, missed a couple practices, and the Packers suspended him for “conduct unbecoming the team” but Rice has [gestures at the 8 felonies & total public embarrassment] and the Chiefs are all

It wasn't detrimental to the team

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It wasn't detrimental to the team

You sure about that.gif

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Don't put him on any IR until you know then. Keep him on the active roster until you know. I think they lose the spot even if they don't use it for a full 4 weeks.

Honestly not sure of the ramifications - clearly they felt they needed the roster spot, but didn’t wanna risk putting him out for the year if there’s a chance for him to come back.

My guess is they use the spot for CEH pending return from [personal].

 

[Chaka]

Donte Stallworth 2008. DUI manslaughter.

Dionte didn’t come out and apologize for it, nor did he flee the scene. IIRC there was some question as to whether the dude he hit was under the influence, or wheher Stallworth was at fault.

That’s a major difference here. There’s literally nothing to wait for. It meets every definition of conduct unbecoming the shield.

There’s zero reason for the NFL to not suspend him since he clearly did that. There’s no ambiguity, nor do they have to wait for the course of justice, since he 100% absolutely did that.

Maybe the other 7 felonies come with their own league consequences, but it’s shameful and hypocritical that Rice was allowed to play this year.

There was no question of fault. Stallworth was DUI. He didn't flee the scene but he owned up to everything.

There is every bit as much reason to suspend or not suspend both.

To be fair, and this is not to apologize/forgive/make excuse/etc. Rice, I have repeatedly said I think he deserves to serve time in prison, but law enforcement loves to tack on as many criminal offenses as possible to incentivize defendants settling their cases without time consuming and expensive litigation for the State. It is a flaw in our criminal justice system that gets horribly abused by police & DAs.

 

[Chaka]

So Romeo Doubs complained a couple times, missed a couple practices, and the Packers suspended him for “conduct unbecoming the team” but Rice has [gestures at the 8 felonies & total public embarrassment] and the Chiefs are all

It wasn't detrimental to the team

Regardless, they are business and they made a smart business decision as would any other business.

 

[Chaka]

It wasn't detrimental to the team

You sure about that.gif

I am. What material harm did it cause? Did they lose one dime in revenue?

It's a business, that calls itself a team because that evokes a more emotional response and creates loyalty. Businesses are all about the bottom line. The bottom line is Rice's actions were not detrimental to the business.

 

[Navin Johnson]

I don't know why people are so up in arms if he serves his NFL suspension while injured.

Because it effectively means there was no punishment at all. A suspension while he’s not playing anyway = zero consequences for his actions.

That one shouldn’t be tough to decipher my dude.

I would assume that he would lose those game checks that he would otherwise be collecting on IR

 

[elmanx]

I don't know why people are so up in arms if he serves his NFL suspension while injured.

Because it effectively means there was no punishment at all. A suspension while he’s not playing anyway = zero consequences for his actions.

That one shouldn’t be tough to decipher my dude.

I would assume that he would lose those game checks that he would otherwise be collecting on IR

If the theory is that he will be suspended at some point, then he is eventually losing the game checks either way.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am. What material harm did it cause? Did they lose one dime in revenue?

Pretty massive PR hit to have one of your highest profile players involved in something that criminally idiotic and newsworthy after winning the SB,

I dunno if the Chiefs lost revenue, but that’s not how I define “detrimental” to the team.

Narrowing that definition to “material harm” sure sounds like you’re changing the definition to suit your point though.

Did the Packers lose $ because Doubs skipped practices?

Whether they lost $ or not would seem immaterial in considering whether Rice’s actions were detrimental conduct. I’m pretty confident that very few workplaces outside of the NFL would define “conduct detrimental to the team” in such narrow terms, nor would Rice’s actions not be a terminable offense.

Reasonable people might agree that any one of Rice’s 8 felonies would be considered a terminable offense anywhere outside of professional sports.

Are you actually asserting that Rice’s very public fiasco was something that didn't meet the standard for “conduct detrimental” to the team? Imma have to respectively disagree with that one, Chief.

 

[Chaka]

I am. What material harm did it cause? Did they lose one dime in revenue?

Pretty massive PR hit to have one of your highest profile players involved in something that criminally idiotic and newsworthy after winning the SB,

I dunno if the Chiefs lost revenue, but that’s not how I define “detrimental” to the team.

Narrowing that definition to “material harm” sure sounds like you’re changing the definition to suit your point though.

Did the Packers lose $ because Doubs skipped practices?

Whether they lost $ or not would seem immaterial in considering whether Rice’s actions were detrimental conduct. I’m pretty confident that very few workplaces outside of the NFL would define “conduct detrimental to the team” in such narrow terms, nor would Rice’s actions not be a terminable offense.

Reasonable people might agree that any one of Rice’s 8 felonies would be considered a terminable offense anywhere outside of professional sports.

Are you actually asserting that Rice’s very public fiasco was something that didn't meet the standard for “conduct detrimental” to the team? Imma have to respectively disagree with that one, Chief.

But there was zero PR hit for the Chiefs, no one outside of people like you and I who follow this stuff closely even cared. And we didn't change our behavior and I doubt anyone in the Chiefs thread suddenly quit being a fan or won't buy whatever merch they normally would buy.

Doubs did more material harm, or whatever you want to call it I don't want to split hairs over semantics, to the Packers than Rice did to the Chiefs, he chose to become a distraction and stuff like that can cause problems in the locker room and help tank a season. The Packers made a decision that they deemed good for their business.

Other businesses make business decisions that are best for their business.

No one in the Chiefs locker room was clamoring for the team to suspend him. So the Chiefs made a decision that was good for their business.

Again, I am not defending Rice in any way, shape or form. I am simply trying to look at this situation with dispassionate objectivity.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am. What material harm did it cause? Did they lose one dime in revenue?

Pretty massive PR hit to have one of your highest profile players involved in something that criminally idiotic and newsworthy after winning the SB,

I dunno if the Chiefs lost revenue, but that’s not how I define “detrimental” to the team.

Narrowing that definition to “material harm” sure sounds like you’re changing the definition to suit your point though.

Did the Packers lose $ because Doubs skipped practices?

Whether they lost $ or not would seem immaterial in considering whether Rice’s actions were detrimental conduct. I’m pretty confident that very few workplaces outside of the NFL would define “conduct detrimental to the team” in such narrow terms, nor would Rice’s actions not be a terminable offense.

Reasonable people might agree that any one of Rice’s 8 felonies would be considered a terminable offense anywhere outside of professional sports.

Are you actually asserting that Rice’s very public fiasco was something that didn't meet the standard for “conduct detrimental” to the team? Imma have to respectively disagree with that one, Chief.

But there was zero PR hit for the Chiefs, no one outside of people like you and I who follow this stuff closely even cared. And we didn't change our behavior and I doubt anyone in the Chiefs thread suddenly quit being a fan or won't buy whatever merch they normally would buy.

We don’t know that. I have one friend who’s a Chiefs fan who was pretty disgusted. I know for sure he will not be buying Rice jersey. Anecdotal and can’t be used as a blanket generalization, but 1/1 in my circle of friends.

I recall chiefs fans here being pretty over him, too.

Doubs did more material harm, or whatever you want to call it I don't want to split hairs over semantics, to the Packers than Rice did to the Chiefs, he chose to become a distraction and stuff like that can cause problems in the locker room and help tank a season. The Packers made a decision that they deemed good for their business.

So felony hit & run with 2 vehicles and fleeing the scene of an injury accident isn’t “a distraction”?

Huh

Other businesses make business decisions that are best for their business.

No one in the Chiefs locker room was clamoring for the team to suspend him. So the Chiefs made a decision that was good for their business.

Of course not - he’s their WR1.

That’s why we hold team management accountable for such actions, not teammates.

Coaching, management, ownership - at least one element of those 3 should have been pushing to suspend him.

Again, I am not defending Rice in any way, shape or form. I am simply trying to look at this situation with dispassionate objectivity.

I get it - it’s a friendly dialogue. I certainly don’t bear you any ill will for having a contrary opinion, but I have a very hard time seeing how what Doubs did (complain about not getting the ball enough / miss practice) is more detrimental to the team than commit 8 felonies.

 

[Chaka]

We don’t know that. I have one friend who’s a Chiefs fan who was pretty disgusted. I know for sure he will not be buying Rice jersey. Anecdotal and can’t be used as a blanket generalization, but 1/1 in my circle of friends.

I recall chiefs fans here being pretty over him, too.

Being over Rice and being over the Chiefs are separate things.

Were they still over Rice when he was balling out for the first three weeks looking like the solution to their #1WR problem?

So felony hit & run with 2 vehicles and fleeing the scene of an injury accident isn’t “a distraction”?

Huh

In the locker room? Months before the season?

I doubt it.

Of course not - he’s their WR1.

That’s why we hold team management accountable for such actions, not teammates.

Coaching, management, ownership - at least one element of those 3 should have been pushing to suspend him.

Why would management, ownership or anyone suspend him if they didn't have to? Morality? Come on, that would have been bad for business.

I get it - it’s a friendly dialogue. I certainly don’t bear you any ill will for having a contrary opinion, but I have a very hard time seeing how what Doubs did (complain about not getting the ball enough / miss practice) is more detrimental to the team than commit 8 felonies.

I think it's really an issue of emotion versus dispassion. Morally of course Rice is far, far worse and the Chiefs should have suspended him. Again that is morally speaking. From the perspective of impact on the team? The guy suddenly carping to get the ball more looks in week five when the team desperately needs a win (and most people, at least on the outside believe the guy carping is the fourth best option and feeding him more probably won't lead to wins) is hurting the team more than the guy who was keeping his head down, catching 10 balls/game and getting the most WR separation per route in the league.

I am honestly having trouble seeing how you don't recognize that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Morality? Come on, that would have been bad for business.

All you’re doing is reminding me of why mankind is doomed this end-stage capitalism dystopian wasteland.

Things that would have been utterly disgraceful 50-40-30-20 years ago are a 1-day news blurb.

My disappointment in my fellow man is palpable.


Ps - they probably covered up a lot more stuff back then, too.

 

[FarFromHome]

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[dblock05]

So Romeo Doubs complained a couple times, missed a couple practices, and the Packers suspended him for “conduct unbecoming the team” but Rice has [gestures at the 8 felonies & total public embarrassment] and the Chiefs are all

Not sure what we are getting at here…you want the chiefs to a self imposed suspension? If Rice starts missing practice and still wants a paycheck, I’m sure the chiefs would do the same (if he was healthy)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Not sure what we are getting at here…you want the chiefs to a self imposed suspension? If Rice starts missing practice and still wants a paycheck, I’m sure the chiefs would do the same (if he was healthy)

That would have been a nice start?

 

[Enderdog]

So Von Miller gets suspended this week due to "allegations" that he assaulted his girlfreind.
... yet Rashee Rice, after being charged with 8 felony counts, civil suits filed against him due to personal injury from said felony, video of the felony before, during, and after, and what seemed to be an admission of guilt... (Rice turned himself in to police, admitted to driving the Lamborghini, and apologized for his actions)
and he gets an NFL "We'll get back to you. Now get out there and play. Your team needs you."
I don't understand.
Now there's a chance Rice serves whatever suspension he gets when he's injured anyway?
Between this situation and every game deciding call / non-call going KC's way, you can't tell me the NFL isn't pushing for the KC Swifties to win another SB.

This has been debated. I don't claim to know whether you're allowed to serve a suspension while on IR.

It's probably why they didn't put him on season ending IR.

If Rice resolves his legal b.s. the Chiefs bring him back from IR, he gets suspended, goes on to do his rehab anyway and the Chiefs get a roster exemption for the suspended player.

I believe it is perfectly within the rules and strategically brilliant.

Wouldn't that be something if the player nor the team suffers any NFL consequences from this turds 8 felonies.
Strategically brilliant.

It would be horrible.

He deserves to do jail time. I'm not sure how much but 8-12 months seems about right.

I don't know why people are so up in arms if he serves his NFL suspension while injured.

Serving his suspension while in jail, I can see having a problem with.

Didn't the NFL suspend Vick after he got out of prison?

I would be surprised if Rice did any jail time.

 

[JohnnyU]

So Von Miller gets suspended this week due to "allegations" that he assaulted his girlfreind.
... yet Rashee Rice, after being charged with 8 felony counts, civil suits filed against him due to personal injury from said felony, video of the felony before, during, and after, and what seemed to be an admission of guilt... (Rice turned himself in to police, admitted to driving the Lamborghini, and apologized for his actions)
and he gets an NFL "We'll get back to you. Now get out there and play. Your team needs you."
I don't understand.
Now there's a chance Rice serves whatever suspension he gets when he's injured anyway?
Between this situation and every game deciding call / non-call going KC's way, you can't tell me the NFL isn't pushing for the KC Swifties to win another SB.

This has been debated. I don't claim to know whether you're allowed to serve a suspension while on IR.

It's probably why they didn't put him on season ending IR.

If Rice resolves his legal b.s. the Chiefs bring him back from IR, he gets suspended, goes on to do his rehab anyway and the Chiefs get a roster exemption for the suspended player.

I believe it is perfectly within the rules and strategically brilliant.

Wouldn't that be something if the player nor the team suffers any NFL consequences from this turds 8 felonies.
Strategically brilliant.

It would be horrible.

He deserves to do jail time. I'm not sure how much but 8-12 months seems about right.

I don't know why people are so up in arms if he serves his NFL suspension while injured.

Serving his suspension while in jail, I can see having a problem with.

Didn't the NFL suspend Vick after he got out of prison?

I would be surprised if Rice did any jail time.

I don’t think so either