Hot Sauce Guy
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I’d do it while it’s still cloudy. You’ll get a better deal with ambiguity, IMO.
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WR Rashee Rice, KC (5 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Wow - that’s a precipitous drop. In a 14-teamer, too. Oof.Went round 6 in a 14 team FSGA "expert" Draft that was on XM today at Noon
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Kickoff night with Dallas/Philly is exactly 7 weeks away, plenty of time for the league to announce their decision IMO. Edit: and have him suspended for the start of the season as you said
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
As someone said upthread, you probably won’t have any shares then.Would only draft him as my WR3 or 4 in the 7th/8th round in a 12 team redraft. And that’s only if my WR1 and WR2 are absolute studs that I’m very confident in and don’t have injury history at all. Ie. They don’t even get the flu.
(Assuming start 3 WRs)
once the suspension details are known, the price should normalize. Right now there’s nothing concrete, so if you’re looking to buy in dynasty, this is probably the moment when the iron is hottest.
But if looking to wait on him in redraft closer to the season, I’d expect him to settle in to that 4-6th round range. If he gets 4 & appeals to 2 before you’re drafting in August, I imagine he’ll be back at 3-4 rounds.
It’s just a total crap shoot at the moment.
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joey
Footballguy
Yeah. My comments assume him missing 4 games (1/4 of the fantasy season). I’d be fine with having zero shares if he bubbles back up to 4th and 5th round ADP, but if it reduces to only 2 games, he might be a sneaky WR2 buy in the 5th for me and then immediately grab another WR right after.As someone said upthread, you probably wornt have any shares then.Would only draft him as my WR3 or 4 in the 7th/8th round in a 12 team redraft. And that’s only if my WR1 and WR2 are absolute studs that I’m very confident in and don’t have injury history at all. Ie. They don’t even get the flu.
(Assuming start 3 WRs)
once the suspension details are known, the price should normalize. Right now there’s nothing concrete, so if you’re looking to buy in dynasty, this is probably the moment when the iron is hottest.
But if looking to wait on him in redraft closer to the season, I’d expect him to settle in to that 4-6th round range. If he gets 4 & appeals to 2 before you’re drafting in August, I imagine he’ll be back at 3-4 rounds.
It’s just a total crap shoot at the moment.
He is going mid 2nd in ffpc drafts
I have been pretty much the same. Injury timelines seem to have become way less real
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
ADP from the last week shows 25 overall in main events
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
As stated previously, the DA had massive leverage here and Rice’s team getting this settled earlier makes perfect sense for their client. Stringing this out until the end of the season or later made no sense.
Don’t underestimate the 5 years probation either. If he screws up again anytime during that 5 years it could easily end up in a meaningful prison term.
And again, for the record I am not a lawyer so take that for what you will.
Don’t underestimate the 5 years probation either. If he screws up again anytime during that 5 years it could easily end up in a meaningful prison term.
And again, for the record I am not a lawyer so take that for what you will.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
As a shareholder I’m both happy and terrified of that.
On the one hand, maybe it’s a good thing to have that hanging over him so he doesn’t do any more stupid ****.
On the other hand, knuckleheads gonna knucklehead.
Hopefully he’s learned a valuable lesson.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I hope you’re right about him getting the message too. I sincerely hate seeing really talented young guys being giving superb opportunities and then pissing it away in acts of stupidity. An awful lot of people would love the chance to trade places with him.
I haven't checked a main event in a while. He has gone 2nd round in every BG I have seen recently
MOJO has him at 25 for BG drafts as well. I guess I have been seeing some risk takers
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
As many of us opined upthread - we were all young and stupid at one point. Well, many of us anyway. Not all of us had the means to get into this sort of trouble.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Were those drafts after the news broke, or before?
FYI he can have early dismissal of his probation in as little as 1/3rd of 5 years.
Before, I posted earlier his FFPC ADP was 3.1, this was what I was referring to
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh, that is useful info, thanks.
All before. I expect a huge crash
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Can he stay out of trouble before then is the question. I’d like to think he can.
Don’t know, staying out of trouble usually means passing drug and alcohol tests. I don’t even like my chances in that scenario, lol.
joey
Footballguy
Magic 8 Ball says…”Reply Hazy. Ask again later”
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I wonder what the Ouija board says?
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
That’s not up to him though. Any shortening is completely out of his control and is in the hands of third parties.
joey
Footballguy
What is up to him is his behavior over the next 2 years. Straight and narrow required …
It’s pretty standard for all but a fee exluded offenses, of which his is not one of them.
Kepp in mind I’m saying in as little as 1/3rd of 5 years. Which is to say it’s not a guarantee, but I think it’s likely timeframe if he meets his conditions
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Just over a year and a half. That seems do-able.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
It’s going to take more than that. Sincere remorse, meaningful restitution to injured parties without dragging them through extended processes, disassociation with previous suspect associates such as the ones involved in the original event, public service to educate others, etc. There’s a lot to truncating an agreement like that. He’s going to have to show meaningful significant permanent changes in his life. Just staying out of trouble likely is not enough.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Perhaps some of our resident legal experts can weigh in, but I would think much of this would have already gone into consideration for his plea agreement/sentencing?
Maybe I’m off base. I did not stay at a holiday inn last night.
rockaction
Footballguy
A Gentle Clarification
Hey Instinctive, I'm not a practicing attorney, and I don't want to misrepresent myself as being a practicing attorney. I graduated from law school, sat and passed the bar in NY, and decided not to practice. I'd have to take the Bar examination in CA to do so. Just want to make sure that I don't mislead you or anybody else. That's about as exact as I can be about it. Well, I was more exact just now, but have edited it for privacy's sake.
Now, Zow practices. A lot. And krista4 and bigbottom are both very serious attorneys that know their ****, and they've gone a less stressful route from the BigLaw or serious law they once practiced. The craziest hardcore lawyers on the board generally have left. Henry Ford was a serious lawyer and whip smart. He was all about being a civil rights attorney and he loved to argue from analogy, which was something I would say that confused him. He never knew what I meant when I would point it out. I found that funny. It's in the influential book by Justice Benjamin Cardozo called The Nature of the Judicial Process, a sort of famous legal tract by an S. Court Justice that explained 20th century jurisprudence probably more thoroughly and better than anyone but Oliver Wendell Holmes.
All that is a roundabout way of saying that my strength in school was expository writing about legal theory and history. It was not the nuts and bolts of being an attorney. I couldn't even find the inside of a courtroom these days unless it was for jury duty. My days inside of them are hopefully done forever.
Judge White Says Rashee No Can Haz Cheeburger Until . . .
Now I do know from osmosis that there was a plea deal in place for Rashee and that's what happened. But like you alluded to in your post, the judge added and mandated jail time because he didn't like the plea deal. That's according to this report. That is a condition of Rice's probation, apparently. He will serve the time "here and there" over the next five years. The probation officer will be located in Kansas City and Rice will report to him or her.
Fox 4 Reports And Is Our Go-To Source
Rashee Rice pleads guilty, sentenced to 5 years probation for Dallas crash
Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver and former SMU football star Rashee Rice has pleaded guilty to charges related to a high-speed crash in Dallas last year.
The judge then used the word "conditions" bizarrely in this next quote.
"Judge Ernest White added the jail time to be served sporadically over the next five years because he said it bothered him that Rice walked away from the scene of the crash without stopping to even check on the victims.
'What I find really concerning about the matter is that you and your co-defendent after being involved with the collisions that could have resulted in much worse than what it did, is that you – both of you – walked away from the scene. And that's what I also have conditions with,' Judge White said." (emphasis mine)
He has conditions with the fact that Rashee walked away from the scene? Sounds like he has reservations about the original plea deal, not conditions. He placed a condition upon Rice to satisfy RIce's probation in the judge's eyes. But you don't have "conditions with" a situation or event when you mean trepidation about or disagreement with. Ay de mi.
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I think you are painting it as unnecessarily difficult.
He has a set of conditions to meet. If he mets them he goes before a judge for early dismissal. It’s that simple and a first time offender with awesome local legal representation should not have a very difficult time.
I’m not going to beat this horse to death if you think it’s going to be difficult for him that’s all good. I’m proceeding as it’s most likely this is dismissed early,
His ADP will probably be all over the place until his suspension is announced but for comps sake I recall Hopkins was going about half a round to a round later then were Rice is going now, all in all pretty close, and he basically dropped 3.5-4 rounds after receiving a 6 game suspension out of the blue.
If he only got like a 2 game suspension I don't think he'd drop much, like maybe a round'ish. 6 games and I got no reason to think he's be far off from Hopkins drop.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
It’s not all that difficult, provided he is prepared to and then follows through with substantial and significant changes in his life. I’m speaking through firsthand experience - not for myself but for someone close to me who means very much to me - who is currently going through a reduction in his probation for an offense much less egregious than what Rice did. He’s made substantial changes to his life and is literally a dream case for his PO, which is why he is getting this consideration. But make no mistake, it is serious and if Rice doesn’t act in accordance with what is within his means to do that will be taken into account.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
30 Days in jail with 5 yrs proby... 2 3rd degree felonies with intent to cause serious bodily harm to others; and we're talking about 2 - 4... thats insane. The talk should begin with 10 then work its way down with 7 plus a HUGE fine. Had he stayed at the scene and began checking on people and helping until authorities got there... then maybe we can talk 4 games but this guy has zero remorse.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He panicked and ran. You're right, he probably didn't have any remorse, or at least not in that moment. I don't know if he had any after the fact. Sometimes people don't make the right decision in panic. That's probably the reason why you have so many hit and run accidents you read about. The human mind is a very complex thing IMO. We would like to think we would react a certain way in a stressed situation, but nothing is guaranteed. I'm not trying to make an excuse for Rice, he chose poorly, and will pay a price for it.
While you are absolutely correct, the nfl is for entertainment and Rashee Rice being on the field playing is good for the NFL
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
He probably just used the wrong word. People do it all the time. As long as he didn’t mix up “guilty” and “innocent,” I don’t see any harm.
A Gentle Clarification
Hey Instinctive, I'm not a practicing attorney, and I don't want to misrepresent myself as being a practicing attorney. I graduated from law school, sat and passed the bar in NY, and decided not to practice. I'd have to take the Bar examination in CA to do so. Just want to make sure that I don't mislead you or anybody else. That's about as exact as I can be about it. Well, I was more exact just now, but have edited it for privacy's sake.
Now, Zow practices. A lot. And krista4 and bigbottom are both very serious attorneys that know their ****, and they've gone a less stressful route from the BigLaw or serious law they once practiced. The craziest hardcore lawyers on the board generally have left. Henry Ford was a serious lawyer and whip smart. He was all about being a civil rights attorney and he loved to argue from analogy, which was something I would say that confused him. He never knew what I meant when I would point it out. I found that funny. It's in the influential book by Justice Benjamin Cardozo called The Nature of the Judicial Process, a sort of famous legal tract by an S. Court Justice that explained 20th century jurisprudence probably more thoroughly and better than anyone but Oliver Wendell Holmes.
All that is a roundabout way of saying that my strength in school was expository writing about legal theory and history. It was not the nuts and bolts of being an attorney. I couldn't even find the inside of a courtroom these days unless it was for jury duty. My days inside of them are hopefully done forever.
Judge White Says Rashee No Can Haz Cheeburger Until . . .
Now I do know from osmosis that there was a plea deal in place for Rashee and that's what happened. But like you alluded to in your post, the judge added and mandated jail time because he didn't like the plea deal. That's according to this report. That is a condition of Rice's probation, apparently. He will serve the time "here and there" over the next five years. The probation officer will be located in Kansas City and Rice will report to him or her.
Fox 4 Reports And Is Our Go-To Source
Rashee Rice pleads guilty, sentenced to 5 years probation for Dallas crash
Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver and former SMU football star Rashee Rice has pleaded guilty to charges related to a high-speed crash in Dallas last year.www.fox4news.com
The judge then used the word "conditions" bizarrely in this next quote.
"Judge Ernest White added the jail time to be served sporadically over the next five years because he said it bothered him that Rice walked away from the scene of the crash without stopping to even check on the victims.
'What I find really concerning about the matter is that you and your co-defendent after being involved with the collisions that could have resulted in much worse than what it did, is that you – both of you – walked away from the scene. And that's what I also have conditions with,' Judge White said." (emphasis mine)
He has conditions with the fact that Rashee walked away from the scene? Sounds like he has reservations about the original plea deal, not conditions. He placed a condition upon Rice to satisfy RIce's probation in the judge's eyes. But you don't have "conditions with" a situation or event when you mean trepidation about or disagreement with. Ay de mi.
Hasn't paid a mil...article
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I wouldn't doubt it that he doesn't have it. Probably blew through that money already.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Did you see the video? There was no panic on the part of Rice and his posse. They calmly rifled through the vehicles to remove items to take with them and then casually strolled away as a group.
I do not understand people who are trying to diminish what Rice did. They took 2 2 1/2 to 3 ton vehicles, raced them against each other at over 100 mph into traffic, caused a multiple vehicle accident that injured several innocents, and then took that stroll at ease away with no thought of any injured parties. That was every bit as dangerous as loading a gun, taking random shots in a direction where people are standing, and then dropping the gun and walking away without checking on any of the people who he might have shot. Those vehicles at those speeds and reckless handling are every bit the dangerous projectiles capable of extreme damage to others as a gun would be.
Based on Sportract's #'s he's been paid $3.4MM so far on his rookie deal, but once you factor taxes and an agent's cut his take was maybe around $2.0MM. As you said, I highly doubt he has the $ to pay them currently, especially factoring in his legal fees and multiple other lawsuits. Seems like a nothing-burger, if it's 2 years from now and he's signed a big extension and still hasn't paid maybe then I'll feel self-righteous enough to weigh in differently.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
When you say they panicked and ran away, that would indicate they understood that that had done something horribly wrong and got away from it without thoughtful action. That video shows that they were very thoughtful and calculating afterward and had little to no care for the damage to people and property that they caused.
Misinterpreting the heinousness and the callousness in this entire incident that is clearly visible to see does diminish the depth of it. That said, I believe you when you say it was not your intent to do so, and I did use you specifically to address what is a general opinion of mine and not aimed at you directly, so please accept my apology for that.
