He might push Tank for targets, I'll be surprised if he's not third in yardage.
He was going as WR19 in my leagues before this trade, Tank ironically at WR20. Was not overly into any of them at that price, thankfully.
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The Duff Man
Footballguy
Agreed
Look at the last tweets. I think he is mad that Allen got more famous than him. He is going to want to prove that HE is the stud.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
My kneejerk take is we’re gonna have fantasy whack a mole from week to week. The offense should be good enough they can do just about whatever they want when game planning to opponents weaknesses. I’m most worried about Tank coming off that injury and playing like Pollard did for half a season. Plus Schultz is still there. Idk, think you’ll have a pretty hard time knowing who will eat from week to week unless there is strong correlation to defensive matchups. Stroud looks amazing here.
I don’t have any shares of any of these guys except one Diggs in a home league and probably won’t be looking to acquire, so doesn’t much matter to me. I hope they all eat each other actually.
I don’t have any shares of any of these guys except one Diggs in a home league and probably won’t be looking to acquire, so doesn’t much matter to me. I hope they all eat each other actually.
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GregR
Footballguy
From Houston's standpoint: Diggs will cost $19.005 million this year and has a non-guaranteed salary of $18.505 million in 2025. $3.5 million of that salary is injury protected. There are also non-guaranteed years in 2026 and 2027 worth $19.6 million and $18 million respectively.
If that is the case, he really went to the wrong team. Stroud is well on his way to joining that conversation as the next big thing.
-OZ-
Footballguy
On paper the Texans are possibly the best / most talented team in the league now.
Thankfully the games aren’t played on paper. But you have to expect big things from Stroud.
Sort of. He probably won’t be a top ten guy again but he fell off big time last year after the bye. I think he’ll be better than he would have been in Buffalo but I’m probably still not drafting him.
massraider
Footballguy
If they don't give him any new money or guarantees, great deal, IMO.
Boston
Footballguy
Interesting deal...the upside is easy to see but I think the downside is as well...Diggs has the diva-gene in him and he seemed irritated in Buffalo even though it felt like they threw to him almost every down...he now goes to Houston while he may be declining and will be paired up with two WRs that could end up being more productive than him along with a second year QB...will be interesting to see if his ego will be able to handle that scenario if that is how it plays out.
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pinkstapler
Footballguy
"His struggles late in the season had more to do with a change in offensive philosophy than anything else. Diggs was still getting open, but the team skewed more run-heavy, while rookie Dalton Kincaid saw more first reads. Diggs is a well-rounded receiver who can win at any level of the field. He can make plays after the catch and fight through contact to make contested catches. And his ability to get open quickly off the line is great for a quarterback's development, as seen with Josh Allen in 2020."Footballguys feature on the trade.
Stefon Diggs Traded To Houston Texans - Instant Reaction
That was certainly my takeaway as well. Waiting to see Diggs RP numbers, but from watching their games, I think Harmon's data will back up the fact Diggs decline at the end of the season had little to do with his talent/effort waning as others suggest.
satch
Footballguy
Seems most of us agree that Diggs is an absolute diva, and there is potential for this move to backfire on Houston, and Stroud, if Diggs is unhappy for whatever reason.
If we know this, then certainly Houston knows this too, which is why the idea that Houston will treat Diggs as anything less than their alpha WR1 makes little sense.
I don’t expect Diggs to be a complete target hog leaving only scraps for Collins and Dell, but I do expect Houston to use Diggs in a way that keeps him happy, and that should translate quite well for fantasy.
If we know this, then certainly Houston knows this too, which is why the idea that Houston will treat Diggs as anything less than their alpha WR1 makes little sense.
I don’t expect Diggs to be a complete target hog leaving only scraps for Collins and Dell, but I do expect Houston to use Diggs in a way that keeps him happy, and that should translate quite well for fantasy.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Maybe. OTOH, WR use was terrible the 2nd half of 2023 and that had nothing to do with lack of receiver talent.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Interesting data as it pertains to Dell:
TheWinz
Footballguy
Did you mean Dalton Kincaid or Dawson Knox?
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
The chip on Diggs's shoulder is going to be huge. The Texans did not acquire him "NOT" to throw him targets. They know what he is about. You should be trying to acquire Diggs if you like his talent. The opportunity will be there.
Penguin
Footballguy
Has to be Dalton Kincaid and not Knox
Just assumed he was combining them as a joke/brevity
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
If they are smart, the Texans have already set expectations properly that Stroud throws passes to guys who get open, and he spreads the ball around.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah tho Kincaid is obviously the biggest winner
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I like this APK but I try and think about NFL Offenses where they spread the ball around...it always seems like there is a definitive WR1 and then supporting pieces.
I don't need a chip on Diggs' shoulder, I just have to look at what he's already done and that includes 5 different 100+ catch seasons on his resume.
The Texans traded FOR HIM and I watched a lot of the Houston Texans last year, both WRs in Nico and Tank missed significant time or weeks, Diggs solves those problems.
Nico and Tank will still see plenty of action but I think people need to assume in 2024 that Diggs is the WR1 in this Offense.
Nico Collins is entering Year 4 and it's possible he might not be on the Texans' roster this year...are they going to extend him for big dollars in 2025?
They might be able to trade him and replace at least part of what they traded away to get Diggs. They could draft another rookie WR in the 2nd or 3rd round if they want.
The Texans have many ways they can approach this and they just told us that Collins/Dell wasn't gonna be enough for them to feel strong about '24
Doesn't matter what we FF-Heads think about it.
I also don't play Dynasty, strictly redraft so I have no emotions to any of these players in the off season
Just commenting on what the Texans are doing and perhaps some fo the things their front office is going over.
Their journey into the post season under the CJS rookie QB contract is entering Year 2 and the way Stroud is going, he will be one of those QBs that gets his extension early.
I'm comparing CJ to say Tua in Miami who is currently on a Year 5 option on his rookie deal...yeah that's never gonna happen for CJ Stroud
Once he logs 36 months, he's getting a truckload of money.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I think Stroud is the biggest winner, with Kincaid a close 2nd
massraider
Footballguy
What if Diggs is not unhappy
If the Bills take a WR in the 1st, that WR will be consensus rookie WR4, no matter which WR it is. And you will definitely have people putting him above whichever of the big 3 has the worst situation.
Whether he sucks or not, that won't matter till at least November. He's going to have massive value for a while.
He said value.
If the Bills take a WR in the 1st, that WR will be consensus rookie WR4, no matter which WR it is. And you will definitely have people putting him above whichever of the big 3 has the worst situation.
Whether he sucks or not, that won't matter till at least November. He's going to have massive value for a while.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Thinking like 80 rec, 900 yards, 6 TD
Faust
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So the shift at OC played a dramatic part in his dip in production.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
On what basis exactly?
The guy has 100+ catches 5 of his last 6 NFL seasons...the projections you have are closer to Darnell Mooney as a WR2 in the Falcons Offense vs the Texans
Do you see Diggs playing limited snaps?
The relationship between Diggs and Allen, Diggs and Buffalo, it reached its conclusion but that doesn't mean he is going to whiff with the Texans
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80 catches will yield a lot more than 900 yds in this offense.
Stroud is not a dink n dunk type QB, he throws the ball down field a lot.
Diggs has 63/1,130/6TDs on his resume one season, the year he was traded to Buffalo, his yds per catch was over 17
Sometimes it's partly the QB and Stroud is very different from Josh Allen. Not saying he's better although I would rather have Stroud over Allen as a franchise QB.
Keep an open mind folks and don't allow other Texans you have in dynasty cloud your '24 Redraft outlook...IMHO
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Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
On what basis exactly?
The guy has 100+ catches 5 of his last 6 NFL seasons...the projections you have are closer to Darnell Mooney as a WR2 in the Falcons Offense vs the Texans
Do you see Diggs playing limited snaps?
The relationship between Diggs and Allen, Diggs and Buffalo, it reached its conclusion but that doesn't mean he is going to whiff with the Texans
I think folks need to see his resume and entire body of work before they start massively downgrading his production.Stefon Diggs Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
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80 catches will yield a lot more than 900 yds in this offense.
Stroud is not a dink n dunk type QB, he throws the ball down field a lot.
Diggs has a season with 63/1,130/6TDs on his resume one season, the year he was traded to Buffalo, his yds per catch was over 17
Sometimes it's partly the QB and Stroud is very different from Josh Allen. Not saying he's better although I would rather have Stroud over Allen as a franchise QB.
Keep an open mind folks and don't allow other Texans you have in dynasty cloud your '24 Redraft outlook...IMHO
30 year old WR with declining production and attitude problems. How’s he going to like being the #2 or #3 WR watching Collins and Dell go off and Mixon and Schultz stealing red zone TDs
Maybe im low on the receptions but i certainly won’t be drafting him next year
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
I will never understand how some athletes are playing a game they grew up with, making more $$$$ that they ever dreamed of, yet for some reason happiness and peace of mind is still missing. Diggs for whatever reason even in Minny always felt like he was not getting his just due.
farfromforgotten
Footballguy
I don’t own shares of Diggs in either of my leagues but I believe that he’ll be hyped to join Stroud and the Texans. This guy that many view as being cooked finished as WR 9 and 10 in my said leagues. I see a big year for him coming up and then maybe he falls into WR2 numbers for a couple of years before calling it quits or hanging around for more paydays. Which is plenty long enough in dynasty terms to me. I don’t care about having the all youthful upside team, I care about winning championships. I’ll have to send out some offers.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I hear you but you are overlooking the Texans IMHO...On what basis exactly?
The guy has 100+ catches 5 of his last 6 NFL seasons...the projections you have are closer to Darnell Mooney as a WR2 in the Falcons Offense vs the Texans
Do you see Diggs playing limited snaps?
The relationship between Diggs and Allen, Diggs and Buffalo, it reached its conclusion but that doesn't mean he is going to whiff with the Texans
I think folks need to see his resume and entire body of work before they start massively downgrading his production.Stefon Diggs Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Checkout the latest stats for Stefon Diggs. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.
80 catches will yield a lot more than 900 yds in this offense.
Stroud is not a dink n dunk type QB, he throws the ball down field a lot.
Diggs has a season with 63/1,130/6TDs on his resume one season, the year he was traded to Buffalo, his yds per catch was over 17
Sometimes it's partly the QB and Stroud is very different from Josh Allen. Not saying he's better although I would rather have Stroud over Allen as a franchise QB.
Keep an open mind folks and don't allow other Texans you have in dynasty cloud your '24 Redraft outlook...IMHO
30 year old WR with declining production and attitude problems. How’s he going to like being the #2 or #3 WR watching Collins and Dell go off and Mixon and Schultz stealing red zone TDs
Maybe im low on the receptions but i certainly won’t be drafting him next year
It's not like Diggs is going to step off the bus and start cursing their Front Office up and down or start talking down to DeMeco Ryans on Day 1...he was in Buffalo for 4 years. It's not like he was malcontent and never produced any numbers. He was Top 10 last year in FF
Plus the Texans are an up and coming offense. His yds per catch is likely to increase not decrease with perhaps the best QB that's been drafted in the last 3 NFL Draft Classes which puts him in a class above most except for Patrick Mahomes , Stroud might be the 2nd/3rd/4th best QB in the NFL right now, depends on how you view them all.
The Texans have improved their running game in the off season, and with all this surrounding talent, Diggs won't likely struggle to get open.
If he really has regressed as he ages, defenses won't be shadowing him with their best and get roasted by Nico and Tank Dell. So now he would be facing lesser DBs than he's seen his entire career and I'm simply saying we can't have it both ways.
Don't undersell the Texans and Stroud, he is going to also be in the AFC South vs the East...6 games vs softer defenses I would say. No Bill Belichick twice a year.
Lot of time between now and camps opening to make such B&W decisions right now.
Is Diggs going to win you the FF title on his shoulders in '24? No way, but he can still be part of a strong WR trio you draft depending on where his draft slot is set to be.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yes. Diggs fell to the 5th round of the draft due to low production in College and some injuries. He has shown he should have been picked higher than that.
Then in training Camp Diggs tears it up. Tons of talk about him always being open and making plays.
Diggs is inactive for the 1st four games of his career before they finally let him play, even though he was the best WR the Vikings had in camp and preseason. Once he got to start he has an over 100 yard game vs the Broncos who had one of the best defenses in the league at the time, in particular their defensive backs who were all made look silly trying to cover Diggs.
Then Diggs forces the Vikings to trade him because the Vikings run the ball too much and don't throw it to Diggs enough in his opinion.
After the trade Diggs gets more targets than he was with the Vikings and has some huge seasons. Josh Allen starts completing over 60% of his passes after Diggs joins the team, something he did not do in his 2 previous seasons.
Right or wrong Diggs has a massive chip on his shoulder and thinks he hasn't been featured or appreciated enough. Not sure how Diggs is supposed to be used more than the 9-10 targets per game he got in Buffalo. That is pretty much maxed out no matter who you are.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
How many "diva" WRs have rings? Owens, Ocho, Moss, 3 of the best ever have a combined total of zero. Brown won 1 with Brady but was on his best behavior that season as he was happy that year just to be on a team again, then went haywire the next season.
Zow
Footballguy
This analogy is... perfect.
That's super close to what I was thinking, had him down for like 75/850.
Boston
Footballguy
On what basis exactly?
The guy has 100+ catches 5 of his last 6 NFL seasons...the projections you have are closer to Darnell Mooney as a WR2 in the Falcons Offense vs the Texans
Do you see Diggs playing limited snaps?
The relationship between Diggs and Allen, Diggs and Buffalo, it reached its conclusion but that doesn't mean he is going to whiff with the Texans
I think folks need to see his resume and entire body of work before they start massively downgrading his production.Stefon Diggs Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Checkout the latest stats for Stefon Diggs. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.
80 catches will yield a lot more than 900 yds in this offense.
Stroud is not a dink n dunk type QB, he throws the ball down field a lot.
Diggs has a season with 63/1,130/6TDs on his resume one season, the year he was traded to Buffalo, his yds per catch was over 17
Sometimes it's partly the QB and Stroud is very different from Josh Allen. Not saying he's better although I would rather have Stroud over Allen as a franchise QB.
Keep an open mind folks and don't allow other Texans you have in dynasty cloud your '24 Redraft outlook...IMHO
30 year old WR with declining production and attitude problems. How’s he going to like being the #2 or #3 WR watching Collins and Dell go off and Mixon and Schultz stealing red zone TDs
Maybe im low on the receptions but i certainly won’t be drafting him next year
That is the big question...even if Diggs hasn't lost a step the Texans would be fools to phase out Dell and/or Collins...I just don't see a scenario where he will be in a position to be the target-hog that he demands...also, he just came from a winning organization so it's not like he will just be happy to be playing for a good team...this move is fascinating as there is a huge swing from very good to bad that can play out and IMO it is very easy to see how either side can happen.
massraider
Footballguy
I have had FF exposure to Diggs since his rookie year, when I picked him up as a FA in a dynasty league. Effing loved this guy.
Fantasy-wise I think peak Diggs (lock WR1) is over (not a hot take), only because Collins and Dell deserve targets. Collins may be better than him right now.
But I think he could still be a useful WR2. And what if Dell goes down again, or HOU decides to lower his work? Both these guys are must-starts every week if Dell is out. Guess I call him a WR2 with upside.
Football-wise, I love it. This team is planning on the playoffs, as they should be. Everyone needed to bump up their rebuild calender by about 2 years when Stroud and Anderson came online. Just like that, they are in their window. So, they send a 2nd round pick next year for Diggs, and have him for reasonable WR1 money for 4 years, with no future guarantees. Also, HOU gets back a 6th this year, and a 5th next year. So, HOU is getting Diggs and a 6th this year, and sends nothing to BUF this year. BUF eats cap space, and gets no return.
Nico and Dell and some guy looked fine a week ago, but Nico and Diggs and Dell as the #3 looks a LOT sexier to me. You could ignore Noah Brown on certain plays. Can't do that with Dell. And if Diggs is still a dawg? Then Nico becomes one of the better WR2 in the NFL. And when it is time for Diggs cap dollars to be used elsewhere, HOU will have no dead cap when they move on. HOU has a ton of cap space now, and they can allocate the extra right now, without burning future dollars on an aging WR--if they don't want to.
I understand why people are going with worst possible outcome here, but there's a wide range of outcomes where he really helps the team.
Fantasy-wise I think peak Diggs (lock WR1) is over (not a hot take), only because Collins and Dell deserve targets. Collins may be better than him right now.
But I think he could still be a useful WR2. And what if Dell goes down again, or HOU decides to lower his work? Both these guys are must-starts every week if Dell is out. Guess I call him a WR2 with upside.
Football-wise, I love it. This team is planning on the playoffs, as they should be. Everyone needed to bump up their rebuild calender by about 2 years when Stroud and Anderson came online. Just like that, they are in their window. So, they send a 2nd round pick next year for Diggs, and have him for reasonable WR1 money for 4 years, with no future guarantees. Also, HOU gets back a 6th this year, and a 5th next year. So, HOU is getting Diggs and a 6th this year, and sends nothing to BUF this year. BUF eats cap space, and gets no return.
Nico and Dell and some guy looked fine a week ago, but Nico and Diggs and Dell as the #3 looks a LOT sexier to me. You could ignore Noah Brown on certain plays. Can't do that with Dell. And if Diggs is still a dawg? Then Nico becomes one of the better WR2 in the NFL. And when it is time for Diggs cap dollars to be used elsewhere, HOU will have no dead cap when they move on. HOU has a ton of cap space now, and they can allocate the extra right now, without burning future dollars on an aging WR--if they don't want to.
I understand why people are going with worst possible outcome here, but there's a wide range of outcomes where he really helps the team.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Yeah feels like a major bet on themselves with minimal downside. Looks like they can get rid of Diggs as soon as 2025 with minimal losses. And we have to believe they are thinking that 2nd round pick next year will be late, potentially bottom 8 of the round. Much of their team is young and won't need to be resigned for several years outside Collins; and whether it's intended or not, Diggs in town will steal some of his shine and could make him a more affordable resign rather then if they allowed him to ball out as the #1 receiver this year putting up gawdy numbers and then suddenly Collins wants a top 5 WR contract. Now maybe them can get him for closer to a 6-10 guy.
massraider
Footballguy
Added incentive for Stefon Diggs: As part of the Buffalo-Houston trade, the Texans wiped out the final three years on Diggs’ contract, giving him the ability to become a free agent after this season, league sources tell ESPN. The Texans also took the $3.5 million guaranteed to Diggs next season and moved up into this season, giving him a raise and assuring him of $22.52 million in guaranteed money in 2024. But if Diggs plays the way he wants, and Houston hopes, he will hit the free-agent market next offseason with the ability to make it count. Houston now anticipates getting the best version of Stefon Diggs
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The Duff Man
Footballguy
The Bills are getting the Vikings second rounder from Houston. Top 10 pick I am sure.
ZWK
Footballguy
This means that the "4 year, $96M extension" that Diggs signed in 2022 for 2024-27 winds up being a 1 year, $43.4M extension for 2024. Buffalo pays him $20.9M for 0 years, Houston pays him $22.5M for 1 year.
GregR
Footballguy
I added up the picks involved assuming teams finish the same next year as this year, assuming future year picks have equal value to current picks, and also assuming that Diggs signs a contract that results in a 3rd round compensatory pick (which includes assumption Texans don't sign a high-priced big free agent next year).
The 2nd is worth about 10.8 on Chase's chart. The Texans 3 picks (3rd compensatory, 5th and 6th) are worth 8.8. Difference of 2. Which would be around pick 5.31.
So one way of looking at it is Houston is renting Diggs for 1 year for the 5.31 pick and his $22.5m salary.
If Texans don't get a compensatory pick then they would be renting him for the price of the 3.10 pick.
Edit to add: Have heard differing accounts on if he's eligible for any compensatory pick, because the extra years were voided. Not sure what the situation is, but skimming around the web, I get the impression if a player or team acts to avoid the years they don't get compensation. If it's an automatic voiding unless some other action is taken, then they do get compensation.
The 2nd is worth about 10.8 on Chase's chart. The Texans 3 picks (3rd compensatory, 5th and 6th) are worth 8.8. Difference of 2. Which would be around pick 5.31.
So one way of looking at it is Houston is renting Diggs for 1 year for the 5.31 pick and his $22.5m salary.
If Texans don't get a compensatory pick then they would be renting him for the price of the 3.10 pick.
Edit to add: Have heard differing accounts on if he's eligible for any compensatory pick, because the extra years were voided. Not sure what the situation is, but skimming around the web, I get the impression if a player or team acts to avoid the years they don't get compensation. If it's an automatic voiding unless some other action is taken, then they do get compensation.
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