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WR/TE N'Keal Harry - MIN (1 Viewer)

Of course he goes to NE. 

Jeremiah compared him to Dez Bryant. Kurt Warner compared him to ... Wait for it ... Larry Fitzgerald. :)

 
best case scenario really. Almost nobody  saw him  as a round 1 pick. Almost nobody saw him as the 2nd WR to get picked. Everyone feared he would end up with Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson.

He ends up with Tom Brady on an offense missing 1400 yards receiving (assuming Gordon plays part of the year) from last year. Yeah this is good.

 
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Rotoworld take:

Patriots selected Arizona State WR N'Keal Harry with the No. 32 overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft.

Harry (6’2/228) declared for the draft after a prolific three-season run as a Sun Devil, amassing a career 213/2,889/22 (13.6 YPR) receiving line and efficiently catching 85% of his targets with 20-plus-yard gains on 44% of his receptions last year. Harry helped his stock in Indy with a 4.53 forty, 38 ½-inch vertical, and cumulative 88th-percentile SPARQ score, also measuring in with long arms (33") for a wide catch radius. A physical clasher who maximizes his size and averaged 7.1 yards after catch per reception in 2018, Harry may be best suited for a "big slot" role after thriving on screens and slants in the Pac 12 but failing to show separation skills. Wide receiver was the Patriots' biggest need coming into the weekend with next to nothing behind Julian Edelman. It's obviously a great landing spot for Harry.

Apr 25, 2019, 9:57 PM
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2nd and 3rd rounds will muddy the water and it’s going to be a great weekend. It’s only round one and I’m happy about where the prospects are at this points.

Tex

 
BigTex said:
2nd and 3rd rounds will muddy the water and it’s going to be a great weekend. It’s only round one and I’m happy about where the prospects are at this points.

Tex
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I'm over the moon happy that Marquise Brown went to Baltimore that way I can write him off completely and move him further down my board.  Plus the likelihood they go WR again is not as high so my guys can't be torpedo'd as much.  

 
Wooters said:
Why do people like Harrry to NE?  Brady spreads the ball around too much, and no WR not named Randy Moss, Wes Welker or Julian Edelman does anything in NE.  I'll be passing.  You all can have his 40 receptions for 520 yards and 5 TD's.
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Maybe you fell asleep when Cooks put up 85-1100-7 there a couple years ago.  And since then 100+ targets have come available with Gronk retiring, and Edelman has crossed the major WR dropoff age and is now on the last year of his deal.

 
voiceofunreason said:
I was hoping to take him at 1.03, hoping Metcalf would go first. Might have ruined it for me.
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you'll get him.  some RB will be drafted in the 3rd round into a good situation.  

1.01 is 100% jacobs

1.02 - ??? maybe Harry but more likely a 3rd round RB drafted into a good situation

1.03 - congrats, you get Harry. i'd put odds at 80-90% he'll be there for you.

 
Wooters said:
Why do people like Harrry to NE?  Brady spreads the ball around too much, and no WR not named Randy Moss, Wes Welker or Julian Edelman does anything in NE.  I'll be passing.  You all can have his 40 receptions for 520 yards and 5 TD's.
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Brady + loads of targets, little talent.

 
Zyphros said:
I'm over the moon happy that Marquise Brown went to Baltimore that way I can write him off completely and move him further down my board.  Plus the likelihood they go WR again is not as high so my guys can't be torpedo'd as much.  
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Thinking the same thing.

 
Does nobody expect KC to draft a WR? I feel like any rookie WR that is in our collective top 10 rookie WR lists that gets drafted by KC, should be in consideration for 1.01. I love Harry to NE but I think he will absolutely be there at 1.03 in most leagues. Give it a day.

 
Concept Coop said:
That's one profile and the video starts with Dan saying they had a hard time finding negatives for him. 

Larry was considered a blue-chipper. Harry isn't close to the prospect that Larry was. 
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While I agree with you that Larry Fitzgerald is the chosen one and I've never been more confident in any rookie WR becoming a success as Fitzgerald, I do think there are some similarities in their play style.

If Harry were as highly regarded as Firzgerald he would have been a top 10 pick in any draft.

 
Very happy with this landing spot. He’s going to be really good. He was my favorite WR... production, size adjusted speed and sick after catch skills. Pats have a lot of vacated targets. And Brady. Honestly it’s all good with Harry

 
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ILUVBEER99 said:
you'll get him.  some RB will be drafted in the 3rd round into a good situation.  

1.01 is 100% jacobs

1.02 - ??? maybe Harry but more likely a 3rd round RB drafted into a good situation

1.03 - congrats, you get Harry. i'd put odds at 80-90% he'll be there for you.
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I don’t agree with your percentages especially the 100% on Jacobs. I’d bet Harry goes above him in 3 out of 5 (at least) of my dynasty leagues.

 
barackdhouse said:
Does nobody expect KC to draft a WR? I feel like any rookie WR that is in our collective top 10 rookie WR lists that gets drafted by KC, should be in consideration for 1.01. I love Harry to NE but I think he will absolutely be there at 1.03 in most leagues. Give it a day.
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Absolutely.  If someone like Paris Campbell or Andy Isabella for example end up on the Chiefs those guys will absolutely skyrocket up the board.  

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Why did a guy with that physical profile, youth, and a power five resume fall to #32?
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3 things:

1. Injury. Was injured a lot during his college years but finally got it together just enough during his final season.

2. He's not the crispest route runner.

3. I think there's been an overall slight devaluation of the WR position across football in recent years. Not as drastic as we've seen with RBs, but I think it exists.

 
Biabreakable said:
While I agree with you that Larry Fitzgerald is the chosen one and I've never been more confident in any rookie WR becoming a success as Fitzgerald, I do think there are some similarities in their play style.

If Harry were as highly regarded as Firzgerald he would have been a top 10 pick in any draft.
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Maybe Harry should be as highly regarded though. Fitzgerald had the type of nepotistic story the NFL loves and covets. 

 
ShamrockPride said:
3 things:

1. Injury. Was injured a lot during his college years but finally got it together just enough during his final season.

2. He's not the crispest route runner.

3. I think there's been an overall slight devaluation of the WR position across football in recent years. Not as drastic as we've seen with RBs, but I think it exists.
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What injuries did Harry have?

 
its a great spot IMO, but if the Packers, Chiefs, 49ers take Brown, Butler, Metcalf I think things change quickly regarding order of these rookies 

 
Amused to Death said:
My concern as well. How much can you rely on a WR in year 1, and what's Brady going to be like in years 2 & 3+ ?
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I don't expect Brady to be good this year. If that's true, Harry's value likely decreases. If you're a patient owner, that's fine because the Pats probably figure something out for their 2020 QB. If your league trades a lot, I'd rather pass on Harry and try to acquire him after 2019 (if he's a target). Personally, I'd be ok landing Harry, but he's not my target so I'm glad he went the Pats in the 1st round because now I'm more likely to get my true target at WR. Similarly, I'm glad Gruden took Jacobs in the 1st and Baltimore took Brown. Now I just need KC to draft Isabella and a RB...

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Comparing any incoming rookie to Hall of Famers is always so silly.
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You just love to do this don’t you. Is that what I said? I was comparing him to where Fitzgerald was drafted. I’m putting you on ignore. I would prefer if you did the same for me so you don’t quote me anymore and try to interpret what I am writing. You clearly want to read it as whatever you and your hubris interprets to be correct.

 
Harry is very similar to Gordon. Strange pick if they plan on him playing again. It's good value though either way, just imo.

 
Bojang0301 said:
You just love to do this don’t you. Is that what I said? I was comparing him to where Fitzgerald was drafted. I’m putting you on ignore. I would prefer if you did the same for me so you don’t quote me anymore and try to interpret what I am writing. You clearly want to read it as whatever you and your hubris interprets to be correct.
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It's not all about you. I didn't even know you said anything regarding Fitzgerald. I meant it in general.

You need to be less angry. Let's just put each other on ignore and make us both happy.

 
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I’m going on to go a limb here and guess the Pats aren’t planning on having Gordon onnthe field much next year 

 
ShamrockPride said:
3 things:

1. Injury. Was injured a lot during his college years but finally got it together just enough during his final season.

2. He's not the crispest route runner.

3. I think there's been an overall slight devaluation of the WR position across football in recent years. Not as drastic as we've seen with RBs, but I think it exists.
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That part makes me a little cautious with him in NE. he's not Moss, and Brady isn't the same QB. Welker and Edelman made their money running good routes, Tom trusted they'd be in the right place and catch the ball. Harry doesn't have that level hands and he's nowhere near as agile.

He can surely be successful there, but he's really unlikely to be Tom's primary go to receiver at any point.

Plus, Tom is getting kinda old. 

Ilov80s said:
I’m going on to go a limb here and guess the Pats aren’t planning on having Gordon onnthe field much next year 
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Thinking the same. 

 
Does he need to fill the "Welker", "Gronk", "Moss/Gordon" role though?

Bill B is the best ever because he knows how to get the best out of the talent a guy has.

I expect him to put Harry in the correct situations for him to succeed with what HE has.

 
Ilov80s said:
I’m going on to go a limb here and guess the Pats aren’t planning on having Gordon onnthe field much next year 
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If that were the case, they would not have re-signed him. I think better phrasing would be they are not going to rely on Gordon being available every week. IMO, NE has at least some idea that JG would be reinstated or they would have let him walk. 

 
He could bust, anyone can. However after me going on and on and on about how good he is, adding 1st round draft capital just cements this for me. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
If that were the case, they would not have re-signed him. I think better phrasing would be they are not going to rely on Gordon being available every week. IMO, NE has at least some idea that JG would be reinstated or they would have let him walk. 
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Sure, it was $2 million and he’s suspended indefinitely. I would not be surprised if they did that just to bait a team to offering him a deal so they could get a 2nd round pick for him.

 
Anarchy99 said:
If that were the case, they would not have re-signed him. I think better phrasing would be they are not going to rely on Gordon being available every week. IMO, NE has at least some idea that JG would be reinstated or they would have let him walk. 
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I think this would be different if it was said AFTER drafting Harry. Signing Gordon for peanuts is just a keeping your options open move in case the draft didn't work out.

They can cut him with almost no impact.

 
Ilov80s said:
He could bust, anyone can. However after me going on and on and on about how good he is, adding 1st round draft capital just cements this for me. 
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He's now definitely in the 1.01-1.04 range, depending on how early you want to take a TE or a Ravens WR lol. In most leagues Harry goes 1.01 or 1.02.

 
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Patriots have 2 2nd rounders coming up, along with 3 3's.  By the end of the weekend we're going to be jittery with joy because they traded for Rosen and Harry's outlook looks even better.  

 
ShamrockPride said:
3. I think there's been an overall slight devaluation of the WR position across football in recent years. Not as drastic as we've seen with RBs, but I think it exists.
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This may be happening with rookie WRs in particular.  The hit rate on them in recent years has been beyond atrocious.  

 
Rumor is Arizona was trying to trade with the Patriots for Harry but Patriots had no interest in doing anything but taking Harry.

 
Ilov80s said:
Rumor is Arizona was trying to trade with the Patriots for Harry but Patriots had no interest in doing anything but taking Harry.
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Arizona wanted to trade Rosen for NE's #32 pick and the Pats declined. Rosen has since unfollowed the Cardinals on social media. I am guessing Arizona botched this one pretty badly. They will either have to take pennies on the dollar for Rosen or roster two Top 10 picks at QB this year.

 
Anarchy99 said:
Arizona wanted to trade Rosen for NE's #32 pick and the Pats declined. Rosen has since unfollowed the Cardinals on social media. I am guessing Arizona botched this one pretty badly. They will either have to take pennies on the dollar for Rosen or roster two Top 10 picks at QB this year.
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Is this really so tragic?  If Arizona's management handles the situation correctly, this could be a massive boon for them.

Unfortunately the vibe I'm getting matches what you said above, they've screwed the pooch.

 
tangfoot said:
Is this really so tragic?  If Arizona's management handles the situation correctly, this could be a massive boon for them.

Unfortunately the vibe I'm getting matches what you said above, they've screwed the pooch.
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Rosen doesn't strike me as a guy that will play good soldier if he stays on the team. 

 
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