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Yeah. Anything in the 4.5s was a win for him. That’s the weakest part of his game.Nice. He met his goal by not being bad.
Yeah. Anything in the 4.5s was a win for him. That’s the weakest part of his game.Nice. He met his goal by not being bad.
Just based on what I saw, I suspected he was a good athlete. Nice to see that confirmed. He’s not a freak athlete like Fant but he comfortably can project to the best NFL WRs.Yeah. Anything in the 4.5s was a win for him. That’s the weakest part of his game.
Was just gonna say the same thing. Harmon too.The 40 time is okay but did it seem like he was just jogging during the gauntlet?
I don’t put too much stock in the gauntlet anyway. I like to see how they react after they drop a pass or if they seem stiff but you can see that watching games tooDidn’t see that
I’m sure you are correct but I hope this doesn’t happen as someone who might want to draft himI'll be surprised if Baltimore passes on him. He's kind of perfect for what they are looking for. Size and catch radius helps Lamar, his YAC ability is great and will allow for a lot of easier throws for Lamar and he prides himself on being the best blocking WR in the draft which is considerable plus for this Raven offense is going to look.
Treadwell casts a long shadow.This is what I see on film too. I don’t get how everyone isn’t on board with him as the consensus WR1. He has it all. Maybe he just needs to show at the combine?
I'd be pretty surprised if the Ravens went WR in round 1. They have a lot of holes to fill, with so many FA's.I'll be surprised if Baltimore passes on him. He's kind of perfect for what they are looking for. Size and catch radius helps Lamar, his YAC ability is great and will allow for a lot of easier throws for Lamar and he prides himself on being the best blocking WR in the draft which is considerable plus for this Raven offense is going to look.
Willie Snead is the only viable WR they have under contract and I'm not even sure he won't get cut. Yes they need to fill holes, WR is probably the biggest one they have. Don't really understand your take that suggest they'd ignore their biggest need because of other needs?I'd be pretty surprised if the Ravens went WR in round 1. They have a lot of holes to fill, with so many FA's.
Never said they'd ignore it. Just don't see it as round 1. Both starting DE's are FA's, so is the starting MLB, and those have always been bigger priorities under Harbaugh.Willie Snead is the only viable WR they have under contract and I'm not even sure he won't get cut. Yes they need to fill holes, WR is probably the biggest one they have. Don't really understand your take that suggest they'd ignore their biggest need because of other needs?
I think that is where the "community" should beGandalf said:so are we down to Harry vs Metcalf for 1.01? If so landing spot is going to be huge.
Yeah, same here. He was 1.01 coming in and I just wanted proof he's an NFL WR1 level athlete and we got it. He is plenty athletic enough for the NFL. There are a lot of corners that aren't going to want anything to do with N'Keal. He has a Dez Bryant/AR15 ceiling.Harry is my 1.01 after today. Best combo of athleticism and production. Now. Just don’t land in Baltimore!
Not for me. Harry is probably 8 or 9 on my board unless he goes to a really plum spot. Maybe 10.Harry is my 1.01 after today. Best combo of athleticism and production. Now. Just don’t land in Baltimore!
Why? He was so good in college.Not for me. Harry is probably 8 or 9 on my board unless he goes to a really plum spot. Maybe 10.
He strikes me as the David Montgomery of the receivers in this class. A stat compiler without special traits. I think he'll need a very good system/QB to be a legit wr2. He's safer than some guys I have ahead of him but I'd rather swing harder. And even then, I don't think he's all that safe to be honest.Why? He was so good in college.
That is what is crazy about film analysis. Two people can watch the same player and come to total opposite opinions. I get it though and if you don't like a player then don't draft them.He strikes me as the David Montgomery of the receivers in this class. A stat compiler without special traits. I think he'll need a very good system/QB to be a legit wr2. He's safer than some guys I have ahead of him but I'd rather swing harder. And even then, I don't think he's all that safe to be honest.
So true.That is what is crazy about film analysis. Two people can watch the same player and come to total opposite opinions. I get it though and if you don't like a player then don't draft them.
Huh? Why? He’s big, fast enough and had awesome college production. What don’t you like about him that makes him so low on your list?Not for me. Harry is probably 8 or 9 on my board unless he goes to a really plum spot. Maybe 10.
ASU sure does have a lot of different helmets.....
I don't know why but I would speculate it is because he did not expect to test well in those drills.Anybody know why he didn't participate in 3C or SS?
Because he's smarter than Metcalf.Anybody know why he didn't participate in 3C or SS?
Show me film of his route running mistakes in year 1 and the same thing in year 2....i'll wait.Corey Davis is making the same mistakes on his route running year 2 as he was year 1.
talk to @BriShow me film of his route running mistakes in year 1 and the same thing in year 2....i'll wait.
@Bri is a Titans expert and very detailed. he made this comment a while ago in Davis'thread. I could link you to it but I imagine you can find that thread on your own. I dont have to research these claims because I trust Bri very much, just as I trust several.other posters in here I have come to respect and realize they have their #### together. If that's funny, then I guess many of us in here are hilarious. I call it being resourceful, which is the point of the shark pool IMOYou make a statement and then outsource the work for it, but it's a fact? Funny
(Davis)It was a while ago. I forget who wrote the article but the guy used game tape, paragraph, game tape...it was extremely well presented and factual. The article was a slam and I did state that too. I think he's talented but I try my best to be open-minded and you can't really argue with the 10-15 second play on the screen.Show me film of his route running mistakes in year 1 and the same thing in year 2....i'll wait.
Are we talking about the right guy here?He strikes me as the David Montgomery of the receivers in this class. A stat compiler without special traits. I think he'll need a very good system/QB to be a legit wr2. He's safer than some guys I have ahead of him but I'd rather swing harder. And even then, I don't think he's all that safe to be honest.
I disagree with this. A David Montgomery comparison for WR may be Harmon... a guy who plays his position really well.He strikes me as the David Montgomery of the receivers in this class. A stat compiler without special traits. I think he'll need a very good system/QB to be a legit wr2. He's safer than some guys I have ahead of him but I'd rather swing harder. And even then, I don't think he's all that safe to be honest.
Or his short area agility is very apparent on film so he could only lose or break even by doing those drills.I don't know why but I would speculate it is because he did not expect to test well in those drills.
Didn’t he run a full route tree? He was 1,000 yard WR each year for the past two years. How if he runs questionable routes?Like some mentioned he jogged through the gauntlet, but it wasn't just the gauntlet that he didn't look as good. He had a highlight reel catch during the QB's throwing, but the drills on WR's he dropped a few and couldn't get out in breaks quick enough for some of the QB's. Call it chemistry or whatever you want but his combine was middle of the pack for me and the only thing he proved is he does actually have speed. But the routes are still very much in question for me.
I'm pretty sure he did run the full tree. I mean questionable in terms of speed/quickness/separation in that route. Seemed a bit late (maybe it was the QB's throw) in getting to the ball or making his cut. He didn't pass that test without a CB even draped on him during the drills.Didn’t he run a full route tree? He was 1,000 yard WR each year for the past two years. How if he runs questionable routes?
(makes a statement as a fact) "Talk to this person" "You can find that thread on your own" ...Then you talk about being resourceful and it's the point of the Shark Pool? Remember this started with me responding to an opinion with a statistical fact...which is resourceful.@Bri is a Titans expert and very detailed. he made this comment a while ago in Davis'thread. I could link you to it but I imagine you can find that thread on your own. I dont have to research these claims because I trust Bri very much, just as I trust several.other posters in here I have come to respect and realize they have their #### together. If that's funny, then I guess many of us in here are hilarious. I call it being resourceful, which is the point of the shark pool IMO
Um, yes? He had two 1,000 seasons.Are we talking about the right guy here?
Take your time no need to rush.I disagree with this. A David Montgomery comparison for WR may be Harmon... a guy who plays his position really well.
If Metcalf wasnt such a beast in the measurables this decision at 1.1 would probably be easy for me (Harry). I am a huge sucker for size and speed, I can admit that.
Trying to talk myself into Harry
I can get not liking him as much as others.. but this guy is the opposite of a compiler.Um, yes? He had two 1,000 seasons.
Sorry, just not that impressed with him. Unless he goes somewhere like Indy (which is a perfect fit imo) he probably won't end up on any of my teams. Just offering a different voice for folks still forming their opinions.
But other than being contrarian, why do you think this?Um, yes? He had two 1,000 seasons.
Sorry, just not that impressed with him. Unless he goes somewhere like Indy (which is a perfect fit imo) he probably won't end up on any of my teams. Just offering a different voice for folks still forming their opinions.
value of opinion is earnedWhile you value one person's opinion in here, your not valuing another.
(Davis)It was a while ago. I forget who wrote the article but the guy used game tape, paragraph, game tape...it was extremely well presented and factual. The article was a slam and I did state that too. I think he's talented but I try my best to be open-minded and you can't really argue with the 10-15 second play on the screen.
You should know that Vrabel was asked about this at the combine recently and didn't deny it or shy away. He stated that the NFL has far more routes in it's tree than college does. Then he complimented Davis' blocking and determination to improve in that area. There's absolutely some truth to it.
Greg Cosell said something I completely totally agree with and can't stand about LaFleur's brief time- if you know what a player does well, why not utilize that? Davis runs a few routes very well and it's ridiculous that you're trying to build up a rhythm and confidence in a WR and NOT call plays with those routes. This is a very common sentiment by Titans fans as Davis could go a full quarter and even a half without a target. Arthur Smith mentioned tailoring things to players strengths and tried his best not to insult LaFleur or Robiske but it seems like he knows exactly what writers and fans have been barking about. He was asked about a screen pass to Henry and said something like he would definitely call it because don't forget the D is not ready for it, but it would not be a staple, no.
Back to Davis, the guy has a great head on his shoulders and a good work ethic. That could be exactly what he needed to hear before the offseason and then he puts work in on the routes he doesn't do well.
You can't ignore that they are going hard after AB(Schefter) and spent a 5th pick on Davis. If Davis was as awesome as advertised predraft, there'd be no need for AB or it would be a luxury teams don't spend 13 mil on.
Both Mike Williams and Davis have the same prob of looking somewhat meh, then making a nice catch, and looking like they have all the talent in the world. There's a confidence issue or pride in their craft or something to that. As they mature, they've gotta learn to be their best on every play. I hope this is cured, for Davis, by the OC being gone and actually treating him like a #1 and not ignoring him for a quarter. Maybe he needs to go to Fitz' camp? I don't know but there are definitely parts to his game that becoming a savvy veteran would improve
he broke out as a freshman... he has dominated the college scene each season.Um, yes? He had two 1,000 seasons.
Sorry, just not that impressed with him. Unless he goes somewhere like Indy (which is a perfect fit imo) he probably won't end up on any of my teams. Just offering a different voice for folks still forming their opinions.
This would be an accurate description.Yes, I find it funny to state a film observation as a fact...when you didn't see it with your own eyes. And the guy you quote didn't see with his own eyes... we're multiple degrees of separation on something that is very subjective and carries lots of bias.
And you’re kind of coming across as toolish with this response. My .02, which likely hasn’t been earned...so more like .01.value of opinion is earned
that's fine. I wont apologize for valuing the opinion of posters I see a lot in here, know their knowledge base, and trust they've done their due diligence over someone I might see 12 times a season/off season.This would be an accurate description.
And you’re kind of coming across as toolish with this response. My .02, which likely hasn’t been earned...so more like .01.