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WR Xavier Worthy, KC (1 Viewer)
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I remember a few years back, in Cincinnati…
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Good one
TheWinz
Footballguy
I could only find 7 WR's who ran under 4.3 at the NFL combine:
1) 2010 - Jacoby Ford - 4.28 - Selected in the 4th round - Appeared in 38 games over 4 years and never finished higher than WR67; tried to catch on in the CFL but couldn't
2) 2013 - Marquise Goodwin - 4.27 - Selected in the 3rd round - Only finish worth mentioning was WR29 in 2017, no other finish better than WR70 - currently a free agent
3) 2015 - JJ Nelson - 4.28 - Selected in the 5th round - Spent 5 years in the NFL with a best of WR57 in 2016; bounced around practice squads a few years before calling it quits
4) 2017 - John Ross - 4.22 - Selected in the 1st round - Best finish was WR73, has not played since week 14 of 2021; just signed today with the Eagles, 43.4 catch percentage
5) 2020 - Henry Ruggs - 4.27 - Selected in the 1st round - WR89 finish as a rookie, was WR31 thru 7 games in 2021, until he destroyed his career and is currently in prison
6) 2022 - Tyquan Thornton - 4.28 - Selected in the 2nd round - 35 catches/338 yards/2 TD's thru his first 2 injury plagued seasons; currently pretty low on the NE depth chart
7) 2024 - Xavier Worthy - 4.21 - Selected in the 1st round - Can he become the first WR to translate his monster speed into fantasy/NFL success?
1) 2010 - Jacoby Ford - 4.28 - Selected in the 4th round - Appeared in 38 games over 4 years and never finished higher than WR67; tried to catch on in the CFL but couldn't
2) 2013 - Marquise Goodwin - 4.27 - Selected in the 3rd round - Only finish worth mentioning was WR29 in 2017, no other finish better than WR70 - currently a free agent
3) 2015 - JJ Nelson - 4.28 - Selected in the 5th round - Spent 5 years in the NFL with a best of WR57 in 2016; bounced around practice squads a few years before calling it quits
4) 2017 - John Ross - 4.22 - Selected in the 1st round - Best finish was WR73, has not played since week 14 of 2021; just signed today with the Eagles, 43.4 catch percentage
5) 2020 - Henry Ruggs - 4.27 - Selected in the 1st round - WR89 finish as a rookie, was WR31 thru 7 games in 2021, until he destroyed his career and is currently in prison
6) 2022 - Tyquan Thornton - 4.28 - Selected in the 2nd round - 35 catches/338 yards/2 TD's thru his first 2 injury plagued seasons; currently pretty low on the NE depth chart
7) 2024 - Xavier Worthy - 4.21 - Selected in the 1st round - Can he become the first WR to translate his monster speed into fantasy/NFL success?
Joey Galloway?
Marauder
Footballguy
I think TheWinz list only includes players since 1999 when they went to electronic timing.
As an aside, Tyreek Hill was not invited to the combine.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Your hunch is just as good as anyone's, but not very helpful. It's a hunch. Bui at this stage what else is there to say that hasn't been said? My opinion is there is more to the player than speed and that has been well documented already. If anyone can bring out the best in Worthy it is Mahomes and Reid. Enough talk, the season can't get here soon enough.
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
Let's hope he's a bust.
Because if he achieves the high end of his perceived potential, it's going to be irritating having to watch the chiefs in the super bowl each year.
Because if he achieves the high end of his perceived potential, it's going to be irritating having to watch the chiefs in the super bowl each year.
So basically like what’s going on now lol
need2know
Footballguy
I guess my reasons are he's small and seems to drop alot. Speed doesn't matter much if you are knocked around and can't catch
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He cut his drop rate from 13.4% in 2022 to 5.4% in 2023. Marvin Harrison had a 6.9% drop rate in 2023 to put this into perspective.
I'm a little lower on him then the consensus fantasy rankings but even for me, if I was ranking rookie WR's by floor, would have him ranked 4th among WR's, ahead of someone like Brian Thomas who I love. Again if we are talking floor. What he does he does very well and has since he entered college. Combine that with the coach/QB it's very difficult for me to see him being a bust or doing nothing. I just have reservations about the upside which is why I'm a little lower on him.
Yeah this is exactly how I feel about him. If he hits I picture DeSean Jackson type of production. Solid, but not exactly a fantasy league winner. I'd rather take a chance on a guy with higher upside.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
That's typically not a good sign with this Chiefs team that typically brings their rookie WRs along slowly.
Kuz
Footballguy
Randy Moss ran a 4.25 & had a pretty good career
Kuz
Footballguy
Yeah..My bad - He skipped the combine
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Big Nate
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Given his route tree + size, I think about him more in terms of between Tyquan Thornton and Ted Ginn.
EDIT - for clarity, 2024 redraft. Who knows what he’ll be after some development
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
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He's light years ahead of Thornton who was a borderline NFL prospect NE foolishly took at least 3-4 rounds high.
As an aside, I think Ted Ginn would have had a much better career had he come along 10-15 years later. He wasn't a bad WR, just not worthy of how high he was picked.
I could see Worthy having a DeSean Jackson impact. D-Jax went 62-912-2 as a rookie. Depending on Rice's status, that's probably reasonable with a higher TD number.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Looks like I’m out of sync with most projections. I’m comfortable with that based on his All 22 film.
Consensus seems to be WR4 (41-48), I have him at WR60 for this season. He could develop into an average starter if he continues to develop. Is he still only 20?
You mentioned DeSean, now that was a speedster with a much deeper cv and came into the league with the ability to sink his hips and accelerate out of breaks on Day 1. That’s not the case with Worthy.
My predraft notes
Pencil thin, lacks hand strength, will struggle with press man on Sundays. Does not get separation underneath v physical single coverage. Downfield the separation is inevitable, his speed is blinding. Elite explosiveness & acceleration. The functional strength pops up again in contested catch situations.
Looked great two years ago as a true freshman (early breakout), played through a hand fracture in the second half of his sophomore season. TCU Hodges-Tomlinson) shut him down with press man.
Limited route tree success in 2023. Had the most success on 3 routes: sitting down on hitch routes (21/18 257 1), followed by screens (21/19 146 1), and speed outs (8/7 146 1.)
Other route data:
- Corner 3 targets 1-26-0 66.0 rtg
- Crossing 12 targets 6-116-1 77.1 rtg
- Go 10 targets 3-125-1 72.9 rtg
- In 3 targets 1-6-0 42.4 rtg
- Out 13 targets 8-144-0 99.5 rtg
- Post 2 targets 0-0-0 39.6 rtg
- Slant 10 targets 4-42-0 52.9 rtg
Takes plays off when it’s not coming his way. Questionable work ethic? That won’t translate.
He has elite traits and there is definitely a path for him. I’m not seeing it for this year; maybe I’m wrong & the majority opinion has it right.
I pretty much agree, and I'm not a huge Worthy fan. I am however a big believer that KC's offense is going to bounce back with a vengeance. They had 1,000 fewer offensive yards and 22 fewer TDs than they did in 2022. I personally don't see KC as some declining offense, I think they just had back luck and bad variance.
I'm not arguing Worthy will be the #1 like DeSean was, but I think Mahomes>later career McNabb by a wide margin, and I think with Rice's uncertainty, opportunity is there. Hollywood (who I think Worthy also profiles similarly to) is probably the safer bet in redraft, but I can see a path to WR2 numbers for Worthy. At the moment he's going round 9, around Sutton, Addison, and the non-DK Seahawks, and I'll take him over all those guys.
I think Andy Reid will do an excellent job making sure Worthy sees very little press man. I am trusting a bit that he drafted him with a plan of usage, and not just as insurance against Rice being out. I'm not advocating too heavily, I think he's a WR4, but I see him as like Christian Watson, where there is some boom/bust to it, but in the 40s its all upside for me.
Grid71
Footballguy
Mahomes is good for taking advantage of Worthy's speed on those deep routes when opportunities present. Could see some major splash weeks especially if Rice misses significant time.
The soft tissue injuries concern me and curious to see where Worthy finds himself in target share. Hard to put him above Kelce, Rice or Hollywood early on. Upside, Worthy is a TD threat on any play, so doesn't need high volume to pay off.
Translate to fantasy best ball, my exposure is 13% worthy in Underdog, but that is more because I like Mahomes and the KC offense to bounce back and see Rice as the most under rated player at his current 6th round ADP. When I take Rice, try to get another KC player like Worthy in a stack for correlation. He's a good best ball play because you like to see those big spike weeks and he might get lost at times with a very low floor.
For redraft, I'll probably pass unless he falls quite a bit. Think it'll be frustrating to put Worthy in my weekly lineup.
The soft tissue injuries concern me and curious to see where Worthy finds himself in target share. Hard to put him above Kelce, Rice or Hollywood early on. Upside, Worthy is a TD threat on any play, so doesn't need high volume to pay off.
Translate to fantasy best ball, my exposure is 13% worthy in Underdog, but that is more because I like Mahomes and the KC offense to bounce back and see Rice as the most under rated player at his current 6th round ADP. When I take Rice, try to get another KC player like Worthy in a stack for correlation. He's a good best ball play because you like to see those big spike weeks and he might get lost at times with a very low floor.
For redraft, I'll probably pass unless he falls quite a bit. Think it'll be frustrating to put Worthy in my weekly lineup.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I hope it is a good marriage, unlike Hardman and Moore.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Worthy has grown on me a little bit. Not seeking him because I think there will be major inconsistencies there, but if he improves on weaknesses he is definitely in the right spot to maximize his potential.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Does it seem likely he’ll return punts?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Hate the Chiefs, but at least I have a few shares of Worthy. If I have to suffer, I at least hope my fantasy teams don’t.
Chaka
Footballguy
I think last season demonstrated pretty clearly that so long as you have Mahomes the supporting cast isn't the real concern.
Point being, and I say this as a devout Raider fan, unless you're a Chiefs fan we're all going to suffer for a few more years...at least.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Well, this gentleman had my curiosity; now he has my attention.
I have him #3 among rookies behind only Harrison and Nabers. I don't think I'll be alone on that take for much longer.
