WSL #4: Draft Rap + Roster Discussions (1 Viewer)

[AB in DC]

So here's a question. Suppose there is a RB who:

a) has no competition for the backup RB job,

b) is behind a aging, unhappy starter, and

c) has performed very well when given the opportunity to carry the load

Doesn't this sound more like an RB48 than an RB78?

So why was Ladell Betts still available at RB78?

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Fubar'd again. Next draft I'm stayin' away from him,lol. I took Jennings to keep him away from some rb's and in particulary TJ Duckett and what does he do, takes Duckett. I was gonna take him coming back. Fooled again, he took Harrison as well. He must hate me :( Since he's had the turn he's taken a lot of players I was planning on getting coming back. Foiled that strategy.Thanks a lot. ####ed my team up to hell and back. Just kiddin' ya Fubar. Good job of drafting at the turns buddy. Hats off to ya.

Took a chance on 2 rookies.Maybe one of 'em will play.

The English teachers around here would slap you with a ruler. FWIW, I had Jennings pegged as my pick since Dunn was taken. You snatched him.

I know I don't like the 1.15 pick in a 16 team league. Better to have the 1.16 IMO. Of course that spot has it's own set of problems too. You better be right with the turn picks or you wait and watch the players fall. You did an excellant job I thought drafting from the 1.16. I just always felt like I was trying to catch up. Oh well, good experience though. I don't really care for my team and look to probably make an early exit but I bet it won't be week 1, My boy Lynch is packin' heat and he'll keep me in at least one week. I thought you might take Duckett but thought Harrison would still be there. Word is they're gonna expand Duckett's role much like in Atlanta. Dude had 8 td's in very limited carries last year. I know Jennings stock is rising and I think you're gonna see him play some this year. Maybe Houston might pair him up with Slaton. Thunder and Lightning Texas style,lol.I shoulda never picked Ringer.His stock's fallin' but this late my game's pretty much over anyway. I hope I can get in some more 16 team leagues. Don't survivor leagues start up after the draft? If so I'll be around, God willing. Got a stress test coming up March 3rd I'm a little worried about. I'm 57 and already outlived my father and mother. They better have FF in heaven, or more likely the other place I'll go,or I'll be pissed. Glad I got the opportunity to draft with a bunch of guys that are true fantasy football players and have excellant knowledge of how to play the game. You could take all these guys in WSL4 and put together a fantasy book that'd be second to none. I don't really personally know you guys but the years I've been around FBG's I know what I see and I see first class fantasy players. It's been a real pleasure hangin' out with you all and while I might not have a good showing in this league better watch out for me in others. I love to compete. I did get 2 good players though, QB's Rodgers and Ryan. We know Rodgers is gonna do well but I think Matt Ryan is really gonna turn into a helluva NFL QB. I was kinda thinkin' he might throw 25 td's this year. He's got all the right skills to do it. I know Roddy White's glad his there in Atlanta. I might go out on a limb and say he makes the probowl this year. If their defense plays better they could be trouble.My favorite pick though has been Warrick Dunn going so late. Think he's got good value this year even with Caddy,Graham there and/or if they draft a rb. Might not get big numbers but he'll contribute more than some expect. Ok, I've rambled enough. My morning Vicodin is working well You guys try to leave me a couple of good scrubs for my last 2 picks.I see Mr. Bloom has Matt Ryan as his 9th ranked dynasty QB. I think he should be ahead of Palmer at 8, JMO, but we'll see.Couple of years from now Matty'll be a top 5 dynasty QB as longas they give him weapons to use.

 

[Sinrman]

So here's a question. Suppose there is a RB who:a) has no competition for the backup RB job,b) is behind a aging, unhappy starter, andc) has performed very well when given the opportunity to carry the loadDoesn't this sound more like an RB48 than an RB78?So why was Ladell Betts still available at RB78?

a) You're correct that he really doesn't have any competition for the backup roleb) Portis will be 28 in September, Betts will be 30 in August -- Portis just completed his second straight full 16 game season in a row -- I didn't realize Portis was unhappyc) I will give you that, as he showed that in 2006 -- but when Portis is healthy, he isn't used as much as I'd like -- but for where you got him, he still represents good value -- he has a lot of upswing if Portis gets injured again, and no real downswing (unless he gets hurt of course)

 

[FUBAR]

So here's a question. Suppose there is a RB who:a) has no competition for the backup RB job,b) is behind a aging, unhappy starter, andc) has performed very well when given the opportunity to carry the loadDoesn't this sound more like an RB48 than an RB78?So why was Ladell Betts still available at RB78?

a) You're correct that he really doesn't have any competition for the backup roleb) Portis will be 28 in September, Betts will be 30 in August -- Portis just completed his second straight full 16 game season in a row -- I didn't realize Portis was unhappyc) I will give you that, as he showed that in 2006 -- but when Portis is healthy, he isn't used as much as I'd like -- but for where you got him, he still represents good value -- he has a lot of upswing if Portis gets injured again, and no real downswing (unless he gets hurt of course)

Betts has been on my short list for a few rounds now, so I certainly think he's a good pick here. I just liked Harrison and Duckett better and I firmly believe Washington will acquire another RB this year, probably in the first 3 rounds. Or they could always sign someone.

 

[glumpy]

I don't really care for my team and look to probably make an early exit but I bet it won't be week 1, My boy Lynch is packin' heat and he'll keep me in at least one week.

Don't sell yourself short--I think your team looks pretty good myself. You mentioned your QB's, and with Rodgers and Ryan I agree they're strong; you don't mention the RB pair your took around the first turn--Portis and Lynch are solid, and the rest should fill in the gaps fairly well. I could see where you might be concerned with your WR's--and they sure seemed to go more quickly than usual in this draft with people targetting them--but you've got some solid #2's who could produce well enough to keep you in the game awhile longer. Their scoring weeks just need to complement each other. Your TE's are good, imo--I was real disappointed when you snatched up Donald Lee, as I was going to pick him up soon thereafter as a third.Defenses and Kickers are just that; you've got a couple steady ones. Good luck with your stress test. Don't let this little ditty add any stress to it--your team will do just fine!

 

[Toads]

I think Tampa will be one of the teams to draft a 1st round RB

RB's are shaping up to be real deep.TBB will draft a RB and it probably won't be in the first round. But, they wiil draft a RB; somebody like Peerman in the 4th round.

LB and WR in rounds #1 and #2.

 

[Sinrman]

I think Tampa will be one of the teams to draft a 1st round RB

RB's are shaping up to be real deep.TBB will draft a RB and it probably won't be in the first round. But, they wiil draft a RB; somebody like Peerman in the 4th round.

LB and WR in rounds #1 and #2.

I agree that they likely won't go RB in the 1st round. I am convinced they'll go offense in the 1st round, though they do need to continue to draft to replace that aging defense. Derrick Brooks can't play until he's 50! It will be interesting to see what they do...

 

[Crippler]

They are going to have a hard time letting Beanie or Moreno go by them. Would not surprise me at all to see them take one. Gruden mentioned about not having enough RB's and that these guys would come in and start immediately there.

 

[el super gringo]

Quick comment on my team: Great at RB, Solid D/ST, Solid K, Decent at QB, Weak at TE, Weak at WR. RB's will need to carry me. Even with that, I'll need help to win. But this is imaginary football; weirder things have happened. Thanks again for the draft, gents.

 

[Sinrman]

Well, even though I came in a little under halfway through, I still consider it my team. I think Hawkeyes started off very well. Only drawback was he was very thin at QB, and at the point that I picked up, there were very few QBs left, so I decided to wait a long time to get another. I may have waited TOO long, and it's very risky in having Brady, Culpepper, and Stafford, but I think I should be ok. Definitely one of the weakest at that position though. My RBs I really like. If Parker can stay healthy, he could be a huge value pick. He kind of burned me in MBSL last year though. When I picked this team up, I immediately wanted to shore up the RBs, having only Chris Johnson and Willie Parker. So I snagged Kevin Faulk and Ricky Williams. Neither are starters, but both should do well in a PPR league. WRs are very nice. Hawk started off very well in snagging Wayne, Owens, and DeSean Jackson. I decided to wait a little while longer and got what I felt was the best available at that time. We'll see how that works out. TEs are pretty solid. I think Celeck will do very well this year, and Miller is fairly consistent. Kickers and Defenses? Eh, they're decent at least...

 

[glumpy]

5.09 Manning, Eli QB-NYG #13

6.08 Pennington, Chad QB-MIA #15

1.09 Jones-Drew, Maurice RB-JAC #7

4.08 McFadden, Darren RB-OAK #22

7.09 McClain, LeRon RB-BAL #34

12.08 Moore, Melwelde RB-PIT #59

17.09 Green-Ellis, BenJarvis RB-GBP #68

2.08 Boldin, Anquan WR-ARI #9

3.09 Bryant, Antonio WR-TBB #16

9.09 Harrison, Marvin WR-IND #51

11.09 Randel El, Antwaan WR-WAS #63

15.09 Northcutt, Dennis WR-JAC #81

19.09 McDonald, Shaun WR-STL #94

8.08 Shiancoe, Visanthe TE-MIN #14

10.08 Boss, Kevin TE-NYG #18

20.08 Martin, David TE-MIA #31

16.08 Kasay, John PK-Car #12

18.08 Tynes, Lawrence PK-NYG #22

13.09 GBP DEF/ST #8

14.08 ATL DEF/ST #20

Ok, I think I'm happy with mine. Did something I don't do normally--and that's wait on QB's instead of getting a bona fide stud. They've carried me through weeks in the past; this time I've gone with a pair who won't carry the team but should not hurt; they'll neither win nor lose a week imo. RB's are pretty good--MJD should be super in a ppr, while the rest should all get play. I went too early drinking the Antonio Bryant koolaid but with Boldin headlining the squad if the rest score on complementary weeks it'll work out. TE's are strong--I thought so before taking a third, and he is a legit #2. I expect that each will 'win' some weeks to count for my scoring. Defenses and Kickers are nothing spectacular but pretty solid I think; if Tynes indeed takes over the NYG job as early indications suggest then he'll be more than worth the slot I got him at.

Here's to y'all! Good times! It'll be interesting to see how all this shakes out.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

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Team Draft:

QB's- Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan

Clearly the strength of my team. At 6 pt's a td these 2 guys are gonna have to carry me considering what I have at the other positions.I think Rodgers is a top 5 candidate after last year being his first as a fulltime starter, 28 pass td's & 4 rush td's. I'm expecting similar numbers. Ryan did pretty good as a rookie with 17 total td's and he should build on those numbers and could finish with 20-25 td's.

RB's-Portis, Lynch,Mendenhall,Norwood,Jennings®,Ringer®

Portis could still be top 10 and he's a warrior but he had close to 350 carries last year. He's 27 but the rest of the Redskins offense will have to improve to lighten his load. They could help him getting him more involved in the passing game. Another 350 carry season will leave him open to injury. Lynch, well the gun thing didn't help him and he could face suspension. Not what you want from your #2 back.Maybe the light will come on in his head now and focus on what's important. If his kind of behavior continues he won't be long for the NFL. Mendenhall will be ready for the season. They took him in the 1st rd. last year so I gotta believe he'll get playing time even with FWP there. How much, who know, cause everybody's using 2 backs these days. Norwood had 750+ yds. and 4 td's in '08, lucky to get that with Turner there. Only way he really gets more playing time is aninjury to Turner and I don't wish that on anyone.Hopefully he'll suffice as bye week fill-in. Jennings and Ringer. One of these rooks is gonna get playing time and my guess is Jennings. I really see the Texans taking him in the 3rd to pair with Slaton. Maybe 1 of these 2 guys will surprise. That's all I can hope for. Portis and Lynch will have to carry my rb's and one of the rest will have to get lucky I guess. I think my backs will help keep me from making an early exit.

WR's-Holmes,M.Jones,Muhammed,N.Washington,Stokely,M.Walker

Absolutely the weak link in my team. Boy you guys sure grabbed the wr's. I shoulda got in when they were all going off the board but didn't and it shows. I don't have a clear #1 guy. They're all #2's or worse. Matt Jones may have woke up since his cocaine thing and might improve. Muhammed's almost as old as I am,lol, but probably can get decent production behind Steve Smith for one more year. Nate Washington's probably gone fromPittsburgh and that might help him depending on where he goes. He could develop into a team's #2 guy. Stokely'sgot Marshall and Royal to contend with soI'm not expecting too much from him. I like Mike Walker's upside and since Porter's gone and Williams could be gone he might end up the Jags #2 guy. If I make an early exit it'll be because of my WR's.

TE's- John Carlson, Donald Lee

Carlson finished '08 with 55 rec/627 yds/5 tds. Pretty good for a rookie but a lot may have come because of all the wr injuries to Seattle. Hard to see him improving those numbers but he might.He'll still end up a top 10 TE this year. Lee had 37rec/276 yds/5 tds. Not bad considering all the other wr's in front of him getting catches. Carlson will help keep me in a while. He's gonna be a good TE.

PK's- Jason Elam, Connor Barth

Elam's 38 yrs. old and had 28 FG's last year. Playing in a dome will help him but he's not the kicker he was in Denver. If Atlanta's offense improves his FG's could suffer burmeh, he's a kicker. I'll be happy with what he had last year. Barth, 10 games and 10 FG's.Nothing but a bye week filler.

DEF/ST- Indianapolis Colts, Denver Broncos

Denver's D sucks so not expecting much. Couple of Colts players will start on PUP.Namely Bob Sanders. If this defense is to do anything Sanders has to play. My defenses aren't very good.

Overall I have some players that'll produce.My QB's and RB's are the only strengths of my team. My receivers will probably be my downfall and the cause for not being around too long. Haven't been in many 16 team drafts so this has been a learning experience and I can only hope for the best. Thanks for letting me be a part of the league and good luck to you all.

Couple of things since the draft. I know some of us have suffered as our picks just flew out the window,with players being cut, traded and what not. Broncos sign Gaffney so I guess tha't gonna affect Stokely's production,unless B.Marshall gets like an 8 game suspension. Houshmanzadeh goes to Seattle so I'm not sure how much that'll effect Carlson. Probably just by getting less catches. My boy Nate Washington goes to the Titans and I think you're gonna see him end up as their #2 guy.All this probably ain't gonna help my team anybut Nate might end up one of my better receivers. I always liked the guy cause he was undrafted and has worked hard to get playing time. Now he's gonna get a chance to prove he can be a starter.

 

[beachbum]

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[Toads]

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Is that your head buried under those pointed reminders?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

#40 3.08 Manning, Peyton QB-IND #2

Peyton or bust. I decided that RB/WR depth was more important than having a backup to cover Peyton's bye and low points. We'll see if it burns me. I think Peyton is underrated this year because people are forgetting that he played the first half banged up, and that Marvin blew a lot of passes he would have caught in the past.

#57 4.09 Smith, Kevin RB-DET #23#104 7.08 Sproules, Darren RB-SDC #33#121 8.09 Graham, Earnest RB-TBB #40#153 10.09 Hillis, Peyton RB-DEN #50#232 15.08 Jones, Greg RB-JAC #65#313 20.09 Patrick Cobbs RB-MIA #81

Im very pleased with my group here even though I only spent one of my first six picks on RB. Smith is a good pass catcher and should only improve in year 2 now that he's the clear guy in Detroit. Even if the team is terrible, the numbers should be there. Sproles should give me at least 4-6 very good games with his pass catching and likely increased role, and if SD gets closer to a 50-50 split, he might be my clear RB2. I still see Graham as the best RB on Tampa's roster. If they take a rookie, I don't think the rook will take over right away, and the 8th round pick price makes him more reward than risk - also a great pass catcher. I have no idea why Hillis was falling so far in the WSLs, I think 10th is insane value. Once again, like Graham, a great pass catcher, and the best RB currently on the roster. If those guys can't keep me competitive, I have two weak insurance policies - Greg Jones should get 5-10 touches a game, including some GL touches, and he can catch a pass or two. He's also gold in case of MJD injury. Cobbs was my ace in the hole - he was quietly signed to an extension last year during the season, he's used as a novelty pass catcher, and he should also get a nice role if Ricky or Ronnie get banged up. By my count, he would have put up starting survivor scoring numbers three times last year, not bad for a last round pick in a 16 teamer.

#08 1.08 Johnson, Andre WR-HOU #2#72 5.08 Gonzalez, Anthony WR-IND #28#89 6.09 Breaston, Steve WR-ARI #36#136 9.08 Hester, Devin WR-CHI #50#168 11.08 Hixon, Domenik WR-NYG #62#217 14.09 Floyd, Malcom WR-SDC #76#296 19.08 Heyward-Bey, Darrius FA-WR #93 ROOKIE WR-#5

Lots of youth and upside here - Johnson was going to be my first rounder all along (maybe I should have given MJD a little more thought though) He can rattle off 25-30 point weeks here and there and he's a bellcow WR if there is such a thing. Gonzo will now be starting in Indy, I dont love having a team combo in my first five picks, but the value was too good to pass up. At worst, Breaston is a 60-800 guy, could be a jackpot if Boldin gets his wish. I guess everyone let Hester fall because they thought he was GOBW's pick during his medical emergency? He's their #1 and his second half split projects to 60-800, I think that's his floor, he could be a lot more if he takes to the WR position in the offseason. Hixon's value hinges on the outcome of the Plax debacle, but he should have some kind of role no matter what with Toomer gone. I like the upside enough to take the chance in the 11th. Floyd had ridiculous numbers last year 27-465-4 on only 37 targets in 9 games. I think he either starts somewhere else if SD lets another team sign him and pockets a pick ( I havent seen his tender anywhere), or he pretty much passes Chambers if he stays in SD - great chemistry with Rivers. DHB was a flier, with his combine, he could be a top 10 pick now, I'll take my chances that he's a big play guy here and there - Miles Austin would have been my pick if DHB hadn't fallen.

#25 2.09 *Gonzales, Tony TE-KCC #2#185 12.09 Lewis, Mercedes TE-JAC #22

Gonzo or bust here, although with Jacksonville gutting their WR corps, maybe this year will be the year Lewis breaks out

#249 16.09 Gould, Robbie PK-CHI #13#281 18.09 Bryant, Matt PK-TBB #23

Just wanted to get two solid kickers with safe jobs. The fact that both of these offenses might sputter in the red zone because of lack of talent at QB could be a bonus.

#200 13.08 NYG DEF/ST #7#264 17.08 STL DEF/ST #29

Still love the Giants D, especially with Osi coming back, and I'll take the D that their old DC, Spags, is going to turning to a gambling/attack machine as D29.Great draft everyone, lots of FF talent in this room.

 

[Toads]

#40 3.08 Manning, Peyton QB-IND #2

Peyton or bust. I decided that RB/WR depth was more important than having a backup to cover Peyton's bye and low points. We'll see if it burns me. I think Peyton is underrated this year because people are forgetting that he played the first half banged up, and that Marvin blew a lot of passes he would have caught in the past.

Last two years, Manning has averaged 21.1 ('07) and 19.3 ('08) pts/game.His lows are other guys highs and when he has a big game, it's at 30+ pts/per.

What you're looking at is his lows:

1) Not counting week #17, his 32 games played have lows that are acceptable: 16.9 pts/gm happend once and 16.3 happened three times;

2) a few weeks of barely "acceptables": 15.3, 15.1, 14.4 and 11.1 pts/per; all happened once.

What your are interested in are his failing or low efforts: 5.1 , 4.2 and 0.8....all happened once.

Your odds are 3 games out of 32 games counted....or a little less than 11% of the time (10.67%).....or about 1-1/2 games out of 16 played that you receive a very negligible benefit.

What really kills you is if Manning twists a knee....you are toast times X weeks out of service.

I played the same risk game by taking Gostkowski, Stephen as a number one Place Kicker and leaving him uncoved there.

His two year averages are 8.8 pts/per ('07) and 9.9 pts/per ('08).

His lows are 4 pts/per and 5pts/per....both of which happend twice, but over a 34 game stretch.

Total risk there is about 8.5%

 

[Road Warriors]

7.05 Jake Delhomme

9.05 Marc Bulger

The biggest hole on my team. QBs flew off the board much faster than I expected, especially QB2s. I had targeted several different QBs that went off the board just ahead of my picks and I thought I could catch one of a handful in the following rounds. Could be my downfall, if neither one of these guys picks up their play from last year.

1.05 DeAngelo Williams

3.05 Reggie Bush

10.12 Sammy Morris

12.12 Ryan Torain

18.12 Correll Buckhalter

I really like my RB1-2 combo. Bush is still a PPR monster, and should outscore his draft position ( assuming he stays healthy ). Can Williams repeat his breakout year? I think he can, to some extent. I don't count on 18 TDs, but somewhere around 12 should be a legit top guy. Morris is not special, but fits the NE mold of a hard nosed, team first guy. He'll continue to get enough looks to be valuable. If Torain comes back from injury ok, he should provide some depth. It'll be interesting to see what Denver does on Offense with the new HC. Buckhalter will have starter value for 2-4 weeks at some point during the year, when Westy invariably gets dinged up. I see this as a competitive, top 1/3 group.

2.12 Wes Welker

5.5 Santana Moss

6.12 Laveraneous Coles

8.12 Deion Branch

11.5 Michael Jenkins

15.5 Bobby Wade

20.12 D.J. Hackett

I see this as a very solid, if not very sexy, group. Welker proved he was a legit WR1 in PPR with another 112 catch season. Assuming Brady is back to his level, Welker should find the endzone a few more times. Moss & Coles are solid WR2 types ( although Coles makes me nervous being ding'd constantly. Branch as a WR4 is very good value, IMO. I see a 70-80 catch season coming from him. The rest of the crew add solid depth as any of them can put up scoring weeks. DJ Hackett should be an interesting sleeper pick this year.

4.12 Kellen Winslow

14.12 L.J. Smith

Risk/Reward TEs. Winslow could be top 5, especially with Quinn at QB. He will need to come back healthy, of course, but if he does, he could be an 80+ catch TE. L.J is another injury risk waiting to happen, but he is still a favorite target when he's on the field and should produce well enough to provide coverage. The downside to both guys is health, and if both are ding'd early, I could be in trouble.

16.12 Matt Prater

19.05 SeaBass

Two strong-legged kickers with jobs. Decent enough, but clearly not a strength. I do think OAK will improve on offense, and Sebastian will have more opportunities to score.

13.05 Tennessee

17.05 Seattle

I may have overvalued the TEN defense from last year. If Haynesworth does move on, as it appears he will, this will not be a top d in '09. Seattle should bounce back from a subpar year, especially if SEA can get a bit more ToP from their offense.

Overall, unless I get more from my QBs than their draft slot would indicate, I don't see this team getting much past middle of the pack.

 

[FUBAR]

To rehash some...

#49 4.01 Rivers, Phillip QB-SDC #4

#145 10.01 Hill, Shaun QB-SFO #28

#305 20.01 Ratliff, Brett QB-NYG #37

- Rivers IMO is a top 5 lock, especially if the running game transitions more to Sproles. Hill is decent depth, Ratliff a throw in the dark that might pan out. I don't think he was taken in the other drafts, but he could be decent.

#16 1.16 Tomlinson, LaDanian RB-SDC #13

#112 7.16 Benson, Cedric RB-CIN #37

#113 8.01 McCoy, LeSean FA-RB #38 Rookie RB-#3

#272 17.16 Harrison, Jerome RB-CLE #71

#273 18.01 Duckett, T.J. RB-SEA #72

- LT or bust I'm really not a fan of this crew if LT doesn't bounce back, but I wanted to fill in other positions first.

#17 2.01 Moss, Randy WR-NEP #4

#48 3.16 Edwards, Braylon WR-CLE #20

#81 6.01 Berrian, Bernard WR-MIN #32

#176 11.16 Caldwell, Andre, WR-CIN #68

#177 12.01 Jones, James WR-GBP #69

#240 15.15 Brown, Reggie WR-PHI #83

- One of the best groups IMO. Moss can be the top dog again, Braylon as WR20 is a bargain, Berrian is underrated especially if the Vikings have a better QB next year. 4-6 I'm just hoping to get lucky.

#80 5.16 Scheffler, Tony TE-DEN #10

#144 9.16 Heap, Todd TE-BAL #17

- With the possibility that Flacco improves and utilizes Heap more, I like this duo. I was planning on signing a 3rd, but liked the value elsewhere more.

#241 16.01 Vinateri, Adam PK-IND #8

#304 19.16 Carney, Jim PK-NYG #30

- Good offenses that should net some points each week although I'm not likely to have any 5 FG weeks.

#208 13.16 SDC DEF/ST #13

#209 14.01 TBB DEF/ST #14

- San Diego can explode any week with Merriman back and their ST is pretty good. Tampa's D used to be elite, but is still decent.

OVERALL, I like the team enough, even if nothing really leaps out and excites me. Best case scenerio - LT bounces back, McCoy finds a good role, Benson remains starter, Caldwell takes over Housh's role, Heap plays more, and I'll have a decent chance to win this thing. Breaks go against me and I'll be out early.

 

[nittanylion]

Each passing day brings us closer to my Spring Passion - March Madness. WSL is quite an appropriate exercise to undertake at this time of year, because, IMHO, it's all about 'taking shots'. One of my favorite basketball axioms is: 'shooters shoot' - in other words, if you're a pure shooter, it doesn't matter to the Coach if you hit a cold spell - you just keep on shooting, because that's your game, and sooner or later, you're gonna heat up and find yourself on a hot streak.

We'll see how our shot charts look in about a Year's time, won't we boys?

I'll remember this Draft as the one where I passed on Chris Johnson in the 1st Round to select Carolina WR Steve Smith as overall WR#3. Now, I'm quite high on Steve Smith for '09, and I really DO think he could be a Top 5 WR in PPR this upcoming Season, but after seeing how the other WSL's played out, it's possible I might have landed Smith with the 2.07, after taking Johnson at the 1.10.

Of course, that would have forced me to have taken a TE later, and at 2PPR, and NO FLEX - which I'm not sure everyone realized, and in this format I absolutely CRAVED Jason Witten as TE#1.

Certainly a risky prop, taking Warner as QB#3, but that's what WSL is all about, and with Brees and Manning already off the board, it was either Warner or wait - I think those 3 are in a class by themselves in 6PPTD/no penalty for INT.

...and then there's 'Team RB', - I'm pretty sure no one is going to like my approach there, so let's see how things played out:

QB (Warner/Leinart, KCollins)

Boom or bust, right out of the gates. If Warner comes back to Arizona, I've got the only guy I currently feel can hang with Brees and Manning in this format. Given the Warner situation, I definitely waited more than I would have liked to have landed a backup, and I certainly should have landed someone more certain than Collins, I guess. Of course, the Warner pick also forced me into a tough decision regarding picking up Leinart as well, and I had to give some thought to rostering 4 QB as the Draft concluded, but since I couldn't decide between Vince Young and Chris Simms, I added some WR depth instead. Ideally, Warner winds up back at the helm in Ariz (IMO 75% chance right now), Leinart gets dealt somewhere and is given a shot as a Starter, and Collins maintains his position at the helm of the Titans offense for one more year. There's plenty to criticize here if all those ducks don't line up, but that's what WSL is all about now, isn't it?

...and if I'm right? Could be 'Katie, bar the door'!!!

RB (DWard, LWashington, FrJackson, EJames, FrTaylor)

OK, I'll admit it, I didn't read the rules correctly on the 1st run-through, and went into the Draft thinking the PPR was RB/0, WR/1, TE/2. That's the only reason I passed on Chris Johnson at 1.10 for Steve Smith...

After passing on Chris Johnson, and taking Witten and Warner in Rds 2/3, it was RBBC all the way for me. I usually like to at least have one 'baseline RB1' to work a committee off the RB2 slot, but had to rally my PPR Squad once I discovered my error and all the Top-Tier RB were gone. I actually think it turned out reasonably well, all things considered. I was able to land a nice stable of part time PPR-specific RB's with upside. Derrick Ward is a jack of all trades, and will command touches wherever he winds up. New Coach Ryan is going to look at some Game Films, and realize he has a difference maker in Leon Washington, and find ways to get him the ball. Fred Jackson established himself last year as a worthy RB in PPR, and with Marshawn's antics, is going to get an increased opportunity right out of the gates, that I don't think he'll release. As stated previously, I think Edge will play with a chip on his shoulder this year, and heck, Freddy T will too. Given the makeup of my stable, I wanted to land Dunn, as I think he's got value in PPR, but I'm not disappointed in Fred as a fallback option. Considering I put off RB and built a committee from 'pieces parts', I think plenty of folks will be surprised at the production I net from this crew.

WR (SSmith(Car), LEvans, KWalter, SSmith(NYG), Galloway, Austin, Doucet)

SSmith/Car - A two-headed monster at RB is going to be the key for Smitty in '09, who will take advantage of 8-in-the-box like no other. He runs solid routes with speed to burn, and is going to rip some sweet distance TD's off the play-fake. After Fitz and AJ, I think he's the guy to have, although Wayne might have something to say about that before Season's end. LEvans is the classic PPR boom-or-bust WR, and only rosterable as a #2 when you've got a 'baseline' stud (which I see Smith as), allowing you to rock and roll with Evans' characteristic 'spikes'. I think Kevin Walter will be vying with a group of about 8 others for a shot at the Title of 'The Next Wes Welker', and is PPR Gold. SSmith/NYG is the most complete Giants WR, and has tremendous upside. With the release of Toomer, and Plax's issues, he might be the #1 in NY in '09, and qualifies as a steal in my book as my WR#4. With such a nice 'baseline' group, I stayed off WR for a while, and got back into it with Galloway, who's more in the Evans mold (a 'spiker'). Filled out the lineup with some Wintertime upside guys - depending on what happens with T.O. and Boldin, Austin and Doucet could play large roles in 09, but it's certain that regardless of those situations, they will see an increase over their 08 production.

TE (Witten, Fasano)

Landed the clear-cut TE#1 (IMHO), in a 2PPR with no flex. Nuff said. In Fasano, I'm hoping the apple doesn't fall far from the pedigree tree. Parcells, NYG, Dallas - there's a TON of good football genes going on there, and I see Anthony finding an easy spot within the Top 16 TE, effectively giving me a starter caliber TE as my backup if Witten has an off-day. If I'd managed to apply that principle to QB, I'd be brimming with optimism about this Team's prospects.

PK (Rackers)

In for a dime, in for a dollar, when it comes to Kurt Warner - regardless, I like his leg and schedule enough that I thought Leinart was a better choice than a PK2 once I landed him. I was targeting Rackers - if he was gone and I'd taken a PK from another Team, I'd probably have drafted a second PK, but this is all about taking shots, and the Warner decision defines my Draft, so...c'mon Kurt, sign that dotted line!

D/ST (Panthers, Texans)

That Carolina running game played a role here too - basic football philosophy, control the lines, control the clock, apply pressure and force mistakes. The Texans are pulling a 'Jefferson's' (Movin' on up), and with an improved running game, and the ability to consummate more time-consuming drives, I think they'll have a decent shot to put up some #'s...and I like their Kick Return Team to have a shot at breaking a few.

Great Draft everyone! Plenty of FF Acumen on display!

 

[the_sig]

#33 3.01 Brees, Drew QB-NOS #1

#128 8.16 Quinn, Brady QB-CLE #25

I think a stud QB in this scoring format is important. A top scoring guy can hide a multitude of sins imo. I knew if I didn’t grab a QB at this first turn, I’d be looking at likely a QB10-15 as my starter. Went with this ‘stud QB’ strategy last year, but was KILLED as I drafted NO back up to Brady. I considered drafting no backup in this draft, but liked the value of Quinn where I got him and think he could be a contributor. CLE has the weapons that made Anderson a top 5 QB. We’ll see what Quinn can do this year. I felt like I could easily afford Quinn’s risk of failure having Brees.

#01 1.01 Peterson, Adrian RB-MIN #1

#32 2.16 Jacobs, Brandon RB-NYG #15

#96 6.16 White, LenDale RB-TEN #30

#129 9.01 McGahee, Willis RB-BAL #42

#320 20.16 Jordan, Lamont RB-NEP #78

I really like this group of RB’s. ADP is a nice anchor. He may not end up as the #1 RB at years end, but likely will give me solid RB1 numbers as a floor. I wanted to cuff ADP with Chester, and felt in all likelihood he’d be there at my 8.16/9.01 turn, but he went a few picks earlier. No biggie. I like Jacobs as a solid workhorse. He should contribute plenty of 12 to 20 point games. Ward leaving should give him plenty of chances, if he can stay healthy. Solid RB2 in a 16 teamer imo. I don’t see LenDale’s situation changing much in 2009. I think Fischer will lean on him heavily as a grinder. I think CJ’s emergence last year doesn’t come at the expense of LenDale’s role (the pie doesn’t stay the same size, w/ Lendale’s share being less. CJ is dynamic enough to make the pie bigger imo). Half of LenDale’s games last year were in a 10-16 point range so he should contribute regularly. Like I said, I expected to pick up the Chesta cuff at this next turn, but didn’t really mind being taken off auto pilot to realize McGahee was still available. Maybe I have a completely different take on his situation than most, but I see BAL running him into the ground in 2009. I think Rice will be a COPB unless he shines and earns more. Rice doesn’t fully emerge until 2010 imo. I see McClain spending more time @ FB and the occasional gl vulture. Honestly I think Lamont can contribute and was fully worth the last overall pick. I noticed when he came back for the last few weeks he looked fairly good. He may have earned himself some playing time in 2009 based on those last 3 weeks of 2008. He was startable there (52 carries for 239 yards and 4tds).

#64 4.16 Jackson, Vincent WR-SDC #23

#65 5.01 Williams, Roy WR-DAL #24

#97 7.01 Holt, Torry WR-STL #41

#161 11.01 Bess, Davonne WR-MIA #55

#193 13.01 Engram, Bobby WR-SEA #73

#289 19.01 Simpson, Jerome WR-CIN #89

Certainly a weaker part of my roster here. I would like to have added a 7th WR, but didn’t feel like the end of draft WR’s provided any more than a lottery shot. VJAX should be solid. SD looks to be more of a passing team now, and he works well with Rivers. A suspension could hurt, but oh well. RoyW could really benefit from TO leaving Dallas. If that happens, things look a bit better for my WR group. He has the potential to put up WR1 #’s, but didn’t act like it last year. I realize this is a big gamble. I like Holt more than most as a STL homer. I think most are too down on him. He’ll be a solid contributor regardless of team or situation next year. Again, a gamble, but a history of prior WR1 performance. I neglected WR for awhile here, but like both Bess & Engram to be contributors for byes or down weeks for my starters. Simpson is a lotto shot. With Housh likely gone, and the unpredictability of CJ and Henry, someone has to step up. Most like Caldwell, but I think Simpson will be given a chance to compete (he was drafted ahead of Caldwell anyways). If this late round gamble even sees the field regularly, he’ll be a steal.

#160 10.16 Scaife, Bo TE-TEN #20

#225 15.01 McMichael, Randy TE-TBB #27

#288 18.16 Clark, Desmond TE-CHI #30

Another weak spot here, but every team has them in a 16 team league. Scaife doesn’t get the respect he deserves imo. He was TE11 in this scoring format last year w/ 58 receptions. TEN has shown how they value him by giving him the tag. With a dearth of WR’s in TEN, Scaife should repeat his 2008 #’s. Probably took McMike before I needed to, but was caught somewhat in a run on TE2’s, and a victim of 30 picks between my turns. McMike has shown he is a very capable pass catcher. No idea what his role will be in the new STL system though. Felt like I needed to add a 3rd TE since I had no true stud. Clark is a good safety add imo as CHI also has a lack of quality WR targets, and even with Olsen becoming the ‘man’ at TE in CHI, Clark is good for 40 receptions and 6-8 decent scoring weeks in this format. Glad those will count and I don’t need to worry about who to start out of this mess….lol.

#256 16.16 Graham, Shayne PK-CIN #19

#257 17.01 Hanson, Jason PK-DET #20

Picking this early (WSL) I think I value stability over ‘perceived’ high scorers at K. I have noticed a lot of variability from year to year on who is a top 15 Kicker. I’m glad that when I was ready to make these selections, I could nab 2 guys who have job security (Graham tagged, Hanson signed a 4 year extension). Both guys have had prior top 10 seasons, so I know they could both be better K’s than most think if their respective pitiful offenses show any improvement.

#192 12.16 MIN DEF/ST #5

#224 14.16 CLE DEF/ST #24

Really was willing to settle on 2 middle of the road units at DEF. Glad our DEF run in WSL4 happened a bit later than other leagues and I was able to nab a higher end unit in MIN. I think CLE could show some improvement with a new coach, and I like the ST scoring chances this unit also has to contribute some nice weeks.

Overall, I like my team, as most everyone does after one of these early drafts. Things at WR & TE will likely need to break my way for this team to be in it in the final weeks, but I like my chances to at least be competitive into mid season. Anything can happen from there.

 

[the_sig]

#40 3.08 Manning, Peyton QB-IND #2

Peyton or bust. I decided that RB/WR depth was more important than having a backup to cover Peyton's bye and low points. We'll see if it burns me. I think Peyton is underrated this year because people are forgetting that he played the first half banged up, and that Marvin blew a lot of passes he would have caught in the past.

#57 4.09 Smith, Kevin RB-DET #23#104 7.08 Sproules, Darren RB-SDC #33#121 8.09 Graham, Earnest RB-TBB #40#153 10.09 Hillis, Peyton RB-DEN #50#232 15.08 Jones, Greg RB-JAC #65#313 20.09 Patrick Cobbs RB-MIA #81

Im very pleased with my group here even though I only spent one of my first six picks on RB. Smith is a good pass catcher and should only improve in year 2 now that he's the clear guy in Detroit. Even if the team is terrible, the numbers should be there. Sproles should give me at least 4-6 very good games with his pass catching and likely increased role, and if SD gets closer to a 50-50 split, he might be my clear RB2. I still see Graham as the best RB on Tampa's roster. If they take a rookie, I don't think the rook will take over right away, and the 8th round pick price makes him more reward than risk - also a great pass catcher. I have no idea why Hillis was falling so far in the WSLs, I think 10th is insane value. Once again, like Graham, a great pass catcher, and the best RB currently on the roster. If those guys can't keep me competitive, I have two weak insurance policies - Greg Jones should get 5-10 touches a game, including some GL touches, and he can catch a pass or two. He's also gold in case of MJD injury. Cobbs was my ace in the hole - he was quietly signed to an extension last year during the season, he's used as a novelty pass catcher, and he should also get a nice role if Ricky or Ronnie get banged up. By my count, he would have put up starting survivor scoring numbers three times last year, not bad for a last round pick in a 16 teamer.

#08 1.08 Johnson, Andre WR-HOU #2#72 5.08 Gonzalez, Anthony WR-IND #28#89 6.09 Breaston, Steve WR-ARI #36#136 9.08 Hester, Devin WR-CHI #50#168 11.08 Hixon, Domenik WR-NYG #62#217 14.09 Floyd, Malcom WR-SDC #76#296 19.08 Heyward-Bey, Darrius FA-WR #93 ROOKIE WR-#5

Lots of youth and upside here - Johnson was going to be my first rounder all along (maybe I should have given MJD a little more thought though) He can rattle off 25-30 point weeks here and there and he's a bellcow WR if there is such a thing. Gonzo will now be starting in Indy, I dont love having a team combo in my first five picks, but the value was too good to pass up. At worst, Breaston is a 60-800 guy, could be a jackpot if Boldin gets his wish. I guess everyone let Hester fall because they thought he was GOBW's pick during his medical emergency? He's their #1 and his second half split projects to 60-800, I think that's his floor, he could be a lot more if he takes to the WR position in the offseason. Hixon's value hinges on the outcome of the Plax debacle, but he should have some kind of role no matter what with Toomer gone. I like the upside enough to take the chance in the 11th. Floyd had ridiculous numbers last year 27-465-4 on only 37 targets in 9 games. I think he either starts somewhere else if SD lets another team sign him and pockets a pick ( I havent seen his tender anywhere), or he pretty much passes Chambers if he stays in SD - great chemistry with Rivers. DHB was a flier, with his combine, he could be a top 10 pick now, I'll take my chances that he's a big play guy here and there - Miles Austin would have been my pick if DHB hadn't fallen.

#25 2.09 *Gonzales, Tony TE-KCC #2#185 12.09 Lewis, Mercedes TE-JAC #22

Gonzo or bust here, although with Jacksonville gutting their WR corps, maybe this year will be the year Lewis breaks out

#249 16.09 Gould, Robbie PK-CHI #13#281 18.09 Bryant, Matt PK-TBB #23

Just wanted to get two solid kickers with safe jobs. The fact that both of these offenses might sputter in the red zone because of lack of talent at QB could be a bonus.

#200 13.08 NYG DEF/ST #7#264 17.08 STL DEF/ST #29

Still love the Giants D, especially with Osi coming back, and I'll take the D that their old DC, Spags, is going to turning to a gambling/attack machine as D29.Great draft everyone, lots of FF talent in this room.

I like the Peyton or bust strategy. I tried it last year with a similar 'Brady or bust' model, which obviously killed me early. That being said, I think this roster setup lends itself to a single stud QB imo. By only taking 1 QB you can leverage that extra roster slot/draft pick on another key contributor. With the way QB's fly around here, you'd have to use a rd 7-10 pick on a reasonable QB backup that you instead get to use on a guy like Breaston, Hester, Graham or Hillis.Not to pick on Toads, but I don't think the 1 kicker strategy (even if he is a 'stud' kicker) is quite the same. By forgoing a second kicker, you netted yourself an additional rd 17-18 pick. Your picks of Urban & Casey are guys I like, but they are longer shots to be sure of contributing on a regular basis than the likes of a Breaston or Graham imo.

 

[Crippler]

I wonder if the Dunn love around here comes to a screeching halt

 

[the_sig]

I wonder if the Dunn love around here comes to a screeching halt

Same question was asked when ATL let him go.....Considering how late he went in our draft, he probably has the same impact for Toads if he latches on with a new team. At some point, you are right though, he will be completely done.

 

[Toads]

I wonder if the Dunn love around here comes to a screeching halt

Just the first of many information changes that effect players values.Draftin' in February does that....for the positive and for the negative.

Nature of the business.

 

[glumpy]

I wonder if the Dunn love around here comes to a screeching halt

Just the first of many information changes that effect players values.Draftin' in February does that....for the positive and for the negative.

Nature of the business.

Waiting myself to see where Harrison ends up...

 

[Road Warriors]

I wonder if the Dunn love around here comes to a screeching halt

Just the first of many information changes that effect players values.Draftin' in February does that....for the positive and for the negative.

Nature of the business.

Waiting myself to see where Harrison ends up...

& Coles. Oh, yeah... and Hackett. Tough day for me yesterday, having 2 WR cut.

 

[nittanylion]

I wonder if the Dunn love around here comes to a screeching halt

Just the first of many information changes that effect players values.Draftin' in February does that....for the positive and for the negative.

Nature of the business.

Waiting myself to see where Harrison ends up...

& Coles. Oh, yeah... and Hackett. Tough day for me yesterday, having 2 WR cut.

Such is the nature of WSL, but remember, with every crisis comes opportunity!I couldn't be happier that Joey Galloway is out of Tampa Bay - if he lands on a Team with a rifleman for a QB, he brings an element that all Teams need - he's a threat to get behind a Defense, and can stretch the field. I can think of at least a dozen Teams that are lacking that element right now, and almost half of them have a QB with the arm to hit Joey in stride...

Fred Taylor - 1st stop, Buffalo...hmm...

I hope he keeps shopping!!!

 

[FUBAR]

I wonder if the Dunn love around here comes to a screeching halt

Just the first of many information changes that effect players values.Draftin' in February does that....for the positive and for the negative.

Nature of the business.

Waiting myself to see where Harrison ends up...

& Coles. Oh, yeah... and Hackett. Tough day for me yesterday, having 2 WR cut.

Such is the nature of WSL, but remember, with every crisis comes opportunity!I couldn't be happier that Joey Galloway is out of Tampa Bay - if he lands on a Team with a rifleman for a QB, he brings an element that all Teams need - he's a threat to get behind a Defense, and can stretch the field. I can think of at least a dozen Teams that are lacking that element right now, and almost half of them have a QB with the arm to hit Joey in stride...

Fred Taylor - 1st stop, Buffalo...hmm...

I hope he keeps shopping!!!

Galloway is the kind of WR the Titans could pursue. Stretching the field is lacking right now.

 

[el super gringo]

titans would have to get a QB who can throw a deep ball if they want to stretch the field

 

[BassNBrew]

So here's a question. Suppose there is a RB who:a) has no competition for the backup RB job,b) is behind a aging, unhappy starter, andc) has performed very well when given the opportunity to carry the loadDoesn't this sound more like an RB48 than an RB78?So why was Ladell Betts still available at RB78?

Because guys like me who drafted him the last two years didn't get a viable score out of him while Mike Sellers posted a couple of good fantasy weeks.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

I wanted to take this time and thank you guys for lettin' me be a part of the draft. Been a real learning experience since I don't normally do 16 teams, but the expertise you guys showed during the draft really help me and I appreciate that very much. As I stated in an earlier post I don't really know any of you personally except from what I see of you on the message boards. I pay attention to what you guys have to say on the boards and it clearly shows you all know your shiot when it comes to fantasy football. I'm not a rookie by a long shot as I've played FF for 20 years now and have done my share of winning, and losing, over the years. I most assuredly would be glad to be in any league that any of you are in. So, selfless promotion here,if any of you have spots open in any leagues please consider me. I'm very dedicated and try and win every week regarless of my won/loss record. I'm always involved in all league activities as well. I've changed my screename to Ghost of Bill Walsh but have been around the boards for a number of years as DocNiner 52. I don't usually post a lot but not afraid to voice my opinion on subjects. I'm always open for another league and I usually play in anywhere of 5-10 leagues a year. Yeah,I'm a fantatic.I know one year I was in 22 leagues. Way to many I found that out. I could do a limit of 15 and feel comfortable with it. Looks like we've finished ahead of WSL 2 in our draft.Excellant job guys. Finally, I wishyou all the best of luck in your fantasy leagues this year and hope Icanmeet up with some of you in those. Take care guys and have a great '09 season. Oh,just a little tidbit, I was looking over the rosters and while I'm not in love with my team I don't think I'm going to be the first one out, and actually I mught surprise you and hang around longer than some expect.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Seems to me when you do a 16 team draft no team is gona have studs at every position to plug in every week. 16 teams drafting the the top skill players go flying off the board and the further the draft goes the harder it is to get guys on your team that are gonna produce week in week out. The later rounds are kind of a crap shoot and some guys have the savvy and will roll sevens while others of us with well intentions and good feelings about players roll snakeyes. I'm not knocking anyone for the way they drafted or who they drafted. We all know it's tough fielding a great team with 16 owners. I don't bust on anyone for who or where the take any player. After looking over the teams I really believe everyone has a real chance of winning thw whole damn thing. Not to step on anyone's toes or say they don't have a chance but there are a few teams I like better than others and I'm not afraid to voice that opinion. The teams I like I just think they have a little better than average of winning it. I'm sure there'll be owners who disagree with me and that's perfectly alright. We're 16 teams and I'm sure we'll have 16 different opinions. So I wish every team the best of luck and honestly hope you do well. Here are the 7 teams I think have a shot at winning it.

Teams I like that could be there or near at th end:

(IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER)

Sigmund Bloom

The Sig

Crippler

Duke

Glumpy

Fubar

** I think one of these teams will be the winner

Teams I don't like to be there or near the end:

Ghost of Bill Walsh

Wasn't too pleased with some of the players I drafted but I thought drafting at the 1.15 spot was particulary difficult for me. I previously stated there were players I was debating and didn't pull the trigger and lo and behold the guy behind me Fubar took a lot of players I was considering. Thus I''ve termeda new vocabulary word when those players were gone coming back around to me. Looks like I got FUBAR'd a lot. If nothing else being the originator of FUBAR'd you guys are all welcome to use it when necessary or you feel so. I don't think he'll mind. I only hope if I get the 1.15 spot again, God forbid, that Fubar's NOT behind me.

**side note- While I'm not in love with my teamI'm gonna go outon a limb and sayIwon't be the first to go

 

[glumpy]

I've changed my screename to Ghost of Bill Walsh but have been around the boards for a number of years as DocNiner 52.

I remember that tag! Don't generally follow all the aliases but that one was around early on...sorry I don't have any league openings to refer you to--I've done exactly the opposite over the years and pretty much pared down to one.

Seems to me when you do a 16 team draft no team is gonna have studs at every position to plug in every week.

True dat--you've got to pick where you most want your strength because somewhere there will be a hole. Actually, where you want your strength ends up wherever people leave you choices--the runs can decimate a position before you even know it's in play.

 

[Crippler]

I have a hard time picking a fav to win this. Some are strong

I have a few teams I dont like in the end though.

 

[the_sig]

#33 3.01 Brees, Drew QB-NOS #1

#128 8.16 Quinn, Brady QB-CLE #25

I think a stud QB in this scoring format is important. A top scoring guy can hide a multitude of sins imo. I knew if I didn’t grab a QB at this first turn, I’d be looking at likely a QB10-15 as my starter. Went with this ‘stud QB’ strategy last year, but was KILLED as I drafted NO back up to Brady. I considered drafting no backup in this draft, but liked the value of Quinn where I got him and think he could be a contributor. CLE has the weapons that made Anderson a top 5 QB. We’ll see what Quinn can do this year. I felt like I could easily afford Quinn’s risk of failure having Brees.

#01 1.01 Peterson, Adrian RB-MIN #1

#32 2.16 Jacobs, Brandon RB-NYG #15

#96 6.16 White, LenDale RB-TEN #30

#129 9.01 McGahee, Willis RB-BAL #42

#320 20.16 Jordan, Lamont RB-NEP #78

I really like this group of RB’s. ADP is a nice anchor. He may not end up as the #1 RB at years end, but likely will give me solid RB1 numbers as a floor. I wanted to cuff ADP with Chester, and felt in all likelihood he’d be there at my 8.16/9.01 turn, but he went a few picks earlier. No biggie. I like Jacobs as a solid workhorse. He should contribute plenty of 12 to 20 point games. Ward leaving should give him plenty of chances, if he can stay healthy. Solid RB2 in a 16 teamer imo. I don’t see LenDale’s situation changing much in 2009. I think Fischer will lean on him heavily as a grinder. I think CJ’s emergence last year doesn’t come at the expense of LenDale’s role (the pie doesn’t stay the same size, w/ Lendale’s share being less. CJ is dynamic enough to make the pie bigger imo). Half of LenDale’s games last year were in a 10-16 point range so he should contribute regularly. Like I said, I expected to pick up the Chesta cuff at this next turn, but didn’t really mind being taken off auto pilot to realize McGahee was still available. Maybe I have a completely different take on his situation than most, but I see BAL running him into the ground in 2009. I think Rice will be a COPB unless he shines and earns more. Rice doesn’t fully emerge until 2010 imo. I see McClain spending more time @ FB and the occasional gl vulture. Honestly I think Lamont can contribute and was fully worth the last overall pick. I noticed when he came back for the last few weeks he looked fairly good. He may have earned himself some playing time in 2009 based on those last 3 weeks of 2008. He was startable there (52 carries for 239 yards and 4tds).

#64 4.16 Jackson, Vincent WR-SDC #23

#65 5.01 Williams, Roy WR-DAL #24

#97 7.01 Holt, Torry WR-STL #41

#161 11.01 Bess, Davonne WR-MIA #55

#193 13.01 Engram, Bobby WR-SEA #73

#289 19.01 Simpson, Jerome WR-CIN #89

Certainly a weaker part of my roster here. I would like to have added a 7th WR, but didn’t feel like the end of draft WR’s provided any more than a lottery shot. VJAX should be solid. SD looks to be more of a passing team now, and he works well with Rivers. A suspension could hurt, but oh well. RoyW could really benefit from TO leaving Dallas. If that happens, things look a bit better for my WR group. He has the potential to put up WR1 #’s, but didn’t act like it last year. I realize this is a big gamble. I like Holt more than most as a STL homer. I think most are too down on him. He’ll be a solid contributor regardless of team or situation next year. Again, a gamble, but a history of prior WR1 performance. I neglected WR for awhile here, but like both Bess & Engram to be contributors for byes or down weeks for my starters. Simpson is a lotto shot. With Housh likely gone, and the unpredictability of CJ and Henry, someone has to step up. Most like Caldwell, but I think Simpson will be given a chance to compete (he was drafted ahead of Caldwell anyways). If this late round gamble even sees the field regularly, he’ll be a steal.

#160 10.16 Scaife, Bo TE-TEN #20

#225 15.01 McMichael, Randy TE-TBB #27

#288 18.16 Clark, Desmond TE-CHI #30

Another weak spot here, but every team has them in a 16 team league. Scaife doesn’t get the respect he deserves imo. He was TE11 in this scoring format last year w/ 58 receptions. TEN has shown how they value him by giving him the tag. With a dearth of WR’s in TEN, Scaife should repeat his 2008 #’s. Probably took McMike before I needed to, but was caught somewhat in a run on TE2’s, and a victim of 30 picks between my turns. McMike has shown he is a very capable pass catcher. No idea what his role will be in the new STL system though. Felt like I needed to add a 3rd TE since I had no true stud. Clark is a good safety add imo as CHI also has a lack of quality WR targets, and even with Olsen becoming the ‘man’ at TE in CHI, Clark is good for 40 receptions and 6-8 decent scoring weeks in this format. Glad those will count and I don’t need to worry about who to start out of this mess….lol.

#256 16.16 Graham, Shayne PK-CIN #19

#257 17.01 Hanson, Jason PK-DET #20

Picking this early (WSL) I think I value stability over ‘perceived’ high scorers at K. I have noticed a lot of variability from year to year on who is a top 15 Kicker. I’m glad that when I was ready to make these selections, I could nab 2 guys who have job security (Graham tagged, Hanson signed a 4 year extension). Both guys have had prior top 10 seasons, so I know they could both be better K’s than most think if their respective pitiful offenses show any improvement.

#192 12.16 MIN DEF/ST #5

#224 14.16 CLE DEF/ST #24

Really was willing to settle on 2 middle of the road units at DEF. Glad our DEF run in WSL4 happened a bit later than other leagues and I was able to nab a higher end unit in MIN. I think CLE could show some improvement with a new coach, and I like the ST scoring chances this unit also has to contribute some nice weeks.

Overall, I like my team, as most everyone does after one of these early drafts. Things at WR & TE will likely need to break my way for this team to be in it in the final weeks, but I like my chances to at least be competitive into mid season. Anything can happen from there.

Geez, just 10 days passes and my team is hit with change(s). That isn't necessarily a bad thing though....Disappointed to see Quinn lose a nice target in KWII.

Jacobs loses some competition from Ward leaving, not unexpectedly though. He just needs to stay healthy...

Jordan goes to DEN. Jeez DEN is a crowded mess, but McDaniels must see something he likes in my Mr Irrelevant.

Roy Williams should see an uptick in stats with TO now gone.

Probably dodged a bullet w/ Coles not signing in MIA, which coulda really hurt Bess imo. That being said, Coles signing in Cincy probably hurts my pick of Simpson.

Holt now asking to be released from STL, where does he go???

Was hoping to get contributions from Engram as WR5, but Housh probably destroys that value.

 

[nittanylion]

Jeebus, some OffSeason, eh folks?!?!?!

QB: Welcome back into the fold, Kurt. Collins gets a deep weapon in Nate Washington, Titans were reportedly in the hunt for T.O., and now are a possible landing ground for Holt if/when he gets released pending his mid-March scheduled bonus. Heavily debated Leinart vs Young, and possibly drafting both. Looks like Young might have been better insurance, but if Boldin remains in 'Zona, he's at least got the keys to one helluva sweet ride. Had to do what I had to do at the time...

RB: DWard finds a home, not the most ideal home, but he'll get plenty of touches. Thanks to Lynch's antics, FrJax is in position to get some extended run. FrTaylor lands in about the best spot he could. Jury still out on Edge, LWash stock holding at least steady, pending outcome of QB situation. Overall, not a bad mix, for now...

WR: LEvans gets the ultimate running mate for his game. Miles Austin gets an upgrade. Galloway yet to find a home. SSmithI is SSmithI, SSmithII holding steady. Doucet a nice hole-card.

TE: Witten becomes even MORE of a factor? Fasano holding steady.

PK: Rackers welcomes Warner back too.

D/ST: Panthers/Texans holding steady.

Pretty pleased with events thus far. Looooooooong way to go, though.

Going to pass on PDSL's, but will see most of you for SSL when the time comes!

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Well, first it was Marshawn Lynch and his gun fetish that could quite get him 4 games suspended. Now he's got a running mate, WR Matt Jones. He was rearrested for violation of probation so I'd say it'd be a good bet he gets some suspension time. If this kinda crapola keeps up who's gonna be the first to go? Me,Me,Me

I might start looking for a league where the draft requirements are that any player you draft HAS to have been in trouble with the law. I'm sure all 12 teams could fill their roster with offenders

 

[Duke1948]

#61 4.13 Schaub, Matt QB-HOU #10

#196 13.04 Rosenfelds, Sage QB-HOU #30

#285 18.13 McCowan, Luke QB-TBB #35

this turned out a little better than when i was drafting....with Schaub think i have a real good shot at a 5-8 QBand with Sage moving to the Vikes gives me another warm body, McCown has a good shot of winning the job in TB. Grade B

#04 1.04 Turner, Michael RB-ATL #3

#68 5.04 Stewart, Jonathan RB-CAR #24

#93 6.13 Moreno, Knowshon FA-RB #29; ROOKIE RB-#1

#157 10.13 Jones, Julius RB-SEA #53

#221 14.13 Fargas, JustinRB-OAK #64

Turner gives me a week in week out points producer, Stewart is going to have his weeks, so far they haven't signed any one in Seattle so it appears Jones is going to be the man (no worse than RBBC) and Fargas i see about the same as Jones. that leaves Moreno which is a big ?????, alot depends on where he goes.Grade B

#29 2.13 Bowe, Dwayne WR-KCC #13

#36 3.04 Houshmandzedeh, TJ WR-CIN #14

#125 8.13 Curtis, Kevin WR-PHI #45

#132 9.04 Gage, Justin WR-TEN #48

#164 11.04 Johnson, Bryant WR-SFO #58

#228 15.04 Burton, Keenan WR-STL #79

#317 20.13 Sweed, Limas WR-PIT #104

Bowe and TJ are the stalwarts of this crew but i expect Curtis,Gage and Johnson tandem to provide some definite week producers...and Burton, Sweed are fly by nighters.Grade B

#100 7.04 Keller, Dustin TE-NYJ #10

wanted to draft more TEs but they kinda got away from me, and by that time said the heck with it and drafted other positions. Grade D+ to C-

#253 16.13 Stover, Matt PK-BAL #17

#292 19.04 Carpenter, Dan PK-MIA #26

should be consistent to solid.Grade B

#189 12.13 CHI DEF/ST #2

#260 17.04 WAS DEF/ST #26

With the Bears got one of the betters ones and with the signing of Haynesworth the Skins should be betterGrade B

if i can get some points out of the QB spot, i think i can hang around for several weeks

 

[Crippler]

Not sure how to do this but just noticing now as I read last thread that I took Dan Carpenter at the 8.16 and than Duke got him at the 19.04. Duke has a problem.

 

[glumpy]

Not sure how to do this but just noticing now as I read last thread that I took Dan Carpenter at the 8.16 and than Duke got him at the 19.04. Duke has a problem.

Typo. Duke picked Josh Scobee at 19.04.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Well, my team and possible early exit just keeps getting better. First Lynch and his gun deal and now Matt Jones gets released. Seemed things were looking up for him after his coke bust. He started playing better and got some production and bam, right back where he started. Hopefully he'll sign with another team but I certainly don't expect much from him now. On a good note though, I drafted Mike Walker and I think Jones' release increases his value and unless they sign a big free agent Walker could end up the Jags #1 receiver this year. That may not translate to a whole lot as we know MJD will be run 'til he can't and Garrard needs to step up his game for Walker to get decent numbers. Hoping too that Nate Washington does some good with the Titans since he signed a 27mil contract. Shiot like this happens when you draft early. You gotta take chances. I'll definitely be thinking and looking hard about drafting questionable players from here on out. Yet problems can jump up at any time for any player.

Looks like a dicey situation in Denver with Cutler now that could affect several players production this year. I'll still probably keep Marshall as my 3rd keeper in a money league anyway but his production and legal troubles as well is in question. Maybe they should rename it the National Felony League,lol.Players are gonna keep getting in trouble and creating difficult situations for themselves but we'll keep drafting 'em. It's the nature of the league or beast now so we have to deal with it as well in fantasy.

I did go sign up for the PDSL leagues. Looking forward to that. I'm sure some of you guys will get in too, just hope I don't get locked in right in front of FUBAR . He takes to many of my players :( Crap, I posted in the PDSL sign up thread I hoped I didn't get the #15 spot. I'm doomed, I'm sure I'll get it now Yet, I learned a lot from that spot drafting against you guys so I'm confident my PDSL draft will be better, even if I gotta payoff Fubar to leave my guys alone.Good luck to you guys here in WSDL4 and watchout I might get lucky a little bit even with some felons on my team.

 

[glumpy]

....we know MJD will be run 'til he can't ....

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

....we know MJD will be run 'til he can't ....

Well Yeah, but they can't let that happen. All they have behind MJD right now is '08 rookie Chauncey Washington who only got a few carries and FB Greg Jones. He can be of some help but they'll need more than those 3 guys. Surprised they haven't look at F/A for rb help or do they plan on drafting another back. Certainly they have other areas that need addressed first. Washington was a 7th round pick so don't know what kinda talent he has or how much he'll help Jax. They let Jones go so looks like my guy Mike Walker is a starter by default until further notice. If they DON'T get some rb depth it's gonna hurt MJD. Hate to see that happen after it looks like he's gonna get his chance to be the guy.Hey, since we drafted early and a lot of teams are losing guys i.e.Jones(me), Harrison,DJ Hackett,W.Dunn, Burress?, maybe we could have a 1 round supplemental draft for all with teams losing a player picking first and then so on. I know it won't happen but just a suggestion. Maybe something to think about next year. May be more guys gone due to injury,cut or whatever and with 16 teams losing a player all year greatly reduces your chances of stayin' alive. I know, I know, shoulda thought of that when drafting. I don't think a 1 round supplemental draft in Aug. is such a bad idea though. If a team hasn't lost a player they could have the option of dropping one and picking another player from the same position.

 

[glumpy]

Hey, since we drafted early and a lot of teams are losing guys...maybe we could have a 1 round supplemental draft?

That's already accounted for in the original draft--the WSL's and PDSL's, being prior to the draft, each have 20 rounds instead of just 18.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Hey, since we drafted early and a lot of teams are losing guys...maybe we could have a 1 round supplemental draft?

That's already accounted for in the original draft--the WSL's and PDSL's, being prior to the draft, each have 20 rounds instead of just 18.

I shoulda known that. You know how us old guys memories get sometimes

 

[glumpy]

5.09 Manning, Eli QB-NYG #13 bye wk 10

6.08 Pennington, Chad QB-MIA #15 6

1.09 Jones-Drew, Maurice RB-JAC #7 7

4.08 McFadden, Darren RB-OAK #22 9

7.09 McClain, LeRon RB-BAL #34 7

12.08 Moore, Melwelde RB-PIT #59 8

17.09 Green-Ellis, BenJarvis RB-GBP #68 5

2.08 Boldin, Anquan WR-ARI #9 4

3.09 Bryant, Antonio WR-TBB #16 8

9.09 Harrison, Marvin WR-IND #51 6

11.09 Randel El, Antwaan WR-WAS #63 8

15.09 Northcutt, Dennis WR-JAC #81 7

19.09 McDonald, Shaun WR-STL #94 7

8.08 Shiancoe, Visanthe TE-MIN #14 9

10.08 Boss, Kevin TE-NYG #18 10

20.08 Martin, David TE-MIA #31 6

16.08 Kasay, John PK-Car #12 4

18.08 Tynes, Lawrence PK-NYG #22 10

13.09 GBP DEF/ST #8 5

14.08 ATL DEF/ST #20 4

Ok, I think I'm happy with mine. Did something I don't do normally--and that's wait on QB's instead of getting a bona fide stud. They've carried me through weeks in the past; this time I've gone with a pair who won't carry the team but should not hurt; they'll neither win nor lose a week imo. RB's are pretty good--MJD should be super in a ppr, while the rest should all get play. I went too early drinking the Antonio Bryant koolaid but with Boldin headlining the squad if the rest score on complementary weeks it'll work out. TE's are strong--I thought so before taking a third, and he is a legit #2. I expect that each will 'win' some weeks to count for my scoring. Defenses and Kickers are nothing spectacular but pretty solid I think; if Tynes indeed takes over the NYG job as early indications suggest then he'll be more than worth the slot I got him at.

Here's to y'all! Good times! It'll be interesting to see how all this shakes out.

At least weeks 7-9 should be rough for most teams.

 

[Duke1948]

4) Duke1948 (830)

#61 4.13 Schaub, Matt QB-HOU #10 10

#196 13.04 Rosenfelds, Sage QB-HOU #30 9

#285 18.13 McCowan, Luke QB-TBB #35 8

#04 1.04 Turner, Michael RB-ATL #3 4

#68 5.04 Stewart, Jonathan RB-CAR #24 4

#93 6.13 Moreno, Knowshon FA-RB #29; ROOKIE RB-#1

#157 10.13 Jones, Julius RB-SEA #53 7

#221 14.13 Fargas, JustinRB-OAK #64 9

#29 2.13 Bowe, Dwayne WR-KCC #13 8

#36 3.04 Houshmandzedeh, TJ WR-CIN #14 7

#125 8.13 Curtis, Kevin WR-PHI #45 4

#132 9.04 Gage, Justin WR-TEN #48 7

#164 11.04 Johnson, Bryant WR-SFO #58 7

#228 15.04 Burton, Keenan WR-STL #79 9

#317 20.13 Sweed, Limas WR-PIT #104 8

#100 7.04 Keller, Dustin TE-NYJ #10 9

#253 16.13 Stover, Matt PK-BAL #17 7

#292 19.04 Carpenter, Dan PK-MIA #26 6

#189 12.13 CHI DEF/ST #2 5

#260 17.04 WAS DEF/ST #26 8

the NFL must hate us fantasy players because they sure put the screws to us this year, 3 weeks with 6 off



the above team just got worse.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

#40 3.08 Manning, Peyton QB-IND #2 bye 6Peyton or bust. I decided that RB/WR depth was more important than having a backup to cover Peyton's bye and low points. We'll see if it burns me. I think Peyton is underrated this year because people are forgetting that he played the first half banged up, and that Marvin blew a lot of passes he would have caught in the past.#57 4.09 Smith, Kevin RB-DET #23 bye 7#104 7.08 Sproules, Darren RB-SDC #33 bye 5#121 8.09 Graham, Earnest RB-TBB #40 bye 8#153 10.09 Hillis, Peyton RB-DEN #50 bye 7 #232 15.08 Jones, Greg RB-JAC #65 bye 7 #313 20.09 Patrick Cobbs RB-MIA #81 bye 6Im very pleased with my group here even though I only spent one of my first six picks on RB. Smith is a good pass catcher and should only improve in year 2 now that he's the clear guy in Detroit. Even if the team is terrible, the numbers should be there. Sproles should give me at least 4-6 very good games with his pass catching and likely increased role, and if SD gets closer to a 50-50 split, he might be my clear RB2. I still see Graham as the best RB on Tampa's roster. If they take a rookie, I don't think the rook will take over right away, and the 8th round pick price makes him more reward than risk - also a great pass catcher. I have no idea why Hillis was falling so far in the WSLs, I think 10th is insane value. Once again, like Graham, a great pass catcher, and the best RB currently on the roster. If those guys can't keep me competitive, I have two weak insurance policies - Greg Jones should get 5-10 touches a game, including some GL touches, and he can catch a pass or two. He's also gold in case of MJD injury. Cobbs was my ace in the hole - he was quietly signed to an extension last year during the season, he's used as a novelty pass catcher, and he should also get a nice role if Ricky or Ronnie get banged up. By my count, he would have put up starting survivor scoring numbers three times last year, not bad for a last round pick in a 16 teamer.#08 1.08 Johnson, Andre WR-HOU #2 bye 10#72 5.08 Gonzalez, Anthony WR-IND #28 bye 6#89 6.09 Breaston, Steve WR-ARI #36 bye 4#136 9.08 Hester, Devin WR-CHI #50 bye 5#168 11.08 Hixon, Domenik WR-NYG #62 bye 10#217 14.09 Floyd, Malcom WR-SDC #76 bye 5#296 19.08 Heyward-Bey, Darrius FA-WR #93 ROOKIE WR-#5 bye ???Lots of youth and upside here - Johnson was going to be my first rounder all along (maybe I should have given MJD a little more thought though) He can rattle off 25-30 point weeks here and there and he's a bellcow WR if there is such a thing. Gonzo will now be starting in Indy, I dont love having a team combo in my first five picks, but the value was too good to pass up. At worst, Breaston is a 60-800 guy, could be a jackpot if Boldin gets his wish. I guess everyone let Hester fall because they thought he was GOBW's pick during his medical emergency? He's their #1 and his second half split projects to 60-800, I think that's his floor, he could be a lot more if he takes to the WR position in the offseason. Hixon's value hinges on the outcome of the Plax debacle, but he should have some kind of role no matter what with Toomer gone. I like the upside enough to take the chance in the 11th. Floyd had ridiculous numbers last year 27-465-4 on only 37 targets in 9 games. I think he either starts somewhere else if SD lets another team sign him and pockets a pick ( I havent seen his tender anywhere), or he pretty much passes Chambers if he stays in SD - great chemistry with Rivers. DHB was a flier, with his combine, he could be a top 10 pick now, I'll take my chances that he's a big play guy here and there - Miles Austin would have been my pick if DHB hadn't fallen.#25 2.09 *Gonzales, Tony TE-KCC #2 bye 8#185 12.09 Lewis, Mercedes TE-JAC #22 bye 7Gonzo or bust here, although with Jacksonville gutting their WR corps, maybe this year will be the year Lewis breaks out :( #249 16.09 Gould, Robbie PK-CHI #13 bye 5#281 18.09 Bryant, Matt PK-TBB #23 bye 8Just wanted to get two solid kickers with safe jobs. The fact that both of these offenses might sputter in the red zone because of lack of talent at QB could be a bonus.#200 13.08 NYG DEF/ST #7 bye 10#264 17.08 STL DEF/ST #29 bye 9Still love the Giants D, especially with Osi coming back, and I'll take the D that their old DC, Spags, is going to turning to a gambling/attack machine as D29.Great draft everyone, lots of FF talent in this room.

Since last we met, Hillis and Graham's value has been dinged (to say the least for Hillis :( ), Hester and Hixon gained value, and byes have been announced. While my RBs are going to be gutted week 7, I'm full strength everywhere else except my back up TE. The week I lose Peyton, I'm missing my #2 WR with him (planned), but only my #6 RB in addition. All in all I still like what Ive got goin on, but Hillis getting tri-torpedoed by the new regime hurt bad.