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Two concerns with CP,

1 - QB - obviously

2 - Norv Turner- the guy doesnt change his offense to fit his personal, He normally likes Big deep threat WR types - VJax, CP right now isnt a deep bomber type of WR, hes a line of scrimmage take it to the house type, not that he cant develop into that.
He did great things with Josh Gordon in his second year and that was a mess of QB issues. I disagree that Cordelle is not a deep bomber, he made a few catches of the deep variety. I tried to look for video found a deep bomb at about :50 of the highlight video and in his TD catches he sure does run good routes and goes and gets the ball like a #1 WR would. Definitely some question marks, but his upside is one of the best for WRs this year.

CPs Sports Science

Rookie Highlights

On a side note, Gordon will not live up to this years stats for a while. Love the talent, his ability alone is what makes him a great pick. But with no Turner and that explosive offensive play calling to Gordons benefit and still a mess at QB, that does not look great for Gordon.

 
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Not the biggest fan of having two Vikings on my team with Patterson and Rudolph, but with Turner as the OC you sure know that they are going to throw the ball a lot. As mentioned before the QB situation sucks, but who knows what the plan is there, the QB this coming year isn't even on the roster yet. Had to take Rudolph with the latest news.

ESPN Vikings blogger Ben Goessling expects Kyle Rudolph to have a bigger role under new OC Norv Turner.

Rudolph will be talked about plenty next summer as a potential breakout player at the tight end position, just as Jordan Cameron was last year under Turner and Rob Chudzinski in Cleveland. Turner has gotten big years out of Antonio Gates and Cameron over the past decade. Rudolph could be next in line. He was on pace for a 60-632-6 receiving line before breaking his foot this past season. If the Vikings can find a quarterback, Rudolph will have a chance to best that.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Stinkin Ref said:
some picks I really liked last couple of rounds

Cordarrelle Patterson

Monte Ball ( almost took him instead of CJ1k, I think he starts in Denver next year)

RG3 at QB16 is good value, no way he sucks as bad as he did last year
curious as to what you base this on.....?
That knowshon is ufa
If Moreno were to leave town, it's a long time till next year, lots of changes. Denver would not enter the season with just Ball, they would have to sign or draft someone. I will agree that Ball has looked more physical towards the end of the season and should see more playing time next year.

 
Man Wayne was a steal at 6.09, was all over him if he fell to me at 6.10.
There was a reason he fell. Old WRs with torn ACLs are not a sure bet to return to form.
I recognize there is a recovery period that is likely harder for older receivers to come back from but is there any data that suggests older receivers don't come back to form? I don't think I've seen any. I see Wayne as a consummate professional who has full trust of his QB and the organization. His form is route running and hands not speed at this point. Given what he is now (and what his QB is capable of) I think it is highly likely he still has a 90 catch season left in him. Maybe he's more likely for 70/1000/5 but I think he's much more likely to hit in his format than a lot of the WRs drafted before him.

 
QB - Matt Ryan

RB - DeMarco Murray, Chris Johnson

WR - AJ Green, Marques Colston, Stevie Johnson

TE - Jordan Cameron, Antonio Gates
Great value with Gates. He went in 7th round last year when all thought he was done (coming off a pretty bad year). Had a top 10 season and looks like alot think he's done again.

 
Aaron Rodgers QB GB

Frank Gore RB SF
Montee Ball RB DEN

Pierre Thomas RB NOS

Torrey Smith WR BAL
Rueben Randle WR NYG

Brian Hartline WR MIA

Rob Gronkowski TE NEP

With two WRs that tend to boom or bust I was happy to grab Hartline to provide some consistency to the position. Hartline only had 4 games that weren't double digit performances in PPR leagues last season. The touchdowns could be better though.

Pierre Thomas is in a crowded backfield but caught 76 passes last season (7 more than Sproles). While he may not catch more than Sproles again this year I think he has carved out a nice role for himself there and in this format I don't have to decide when to start him to capture those big games.

 
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QB: Nick Foles PHI, Johnny Manziel TBD

RB: Doug Martin TB, Trent Richardson IND

WR: Dez Bryant DAL, Keenan Allen SD, Sammy Watkins TBD

TE: Charles Clay MIA

QB: I'm really high on Nick Foles and I think he will remain in the top 6-7 QB's which is where I drafted him. When it came to getting my second QB none of the remaining veterans excited me there was just to many question marks on their situation. So I decided to swing for the fences and take one of the rookie QB's. With Bridgewater off the board I decided to take Manziel and see what happens.

RB: I have two question marks at RB. Will Martin be closer to his rookie season in production or last years production. I'm betting that Lovie can get him closer to his rookie season. Richardson is a huge ? mark at this point. So I took anther swing for the fences here. This position is by far my biggest worry. This is a boom or bust position for me and probably will decided how long I stay in this competition.

WR: I like my WR's. Dez Bryant will keep getting better and Allen had a very nice rookie season and I think will get better as well. I'm real high on Watkins. If he can put numbers up even close to what Allen did last season I will be extremely happy with that.

TE: After the first 4 or 5 TE's were off the board I decided to wait a while and see what is there later in the draft. In my PPR league Charles Clay finished 6th in TE scoring. If he can finish anywhere in the top 8 this season I will be very pleased with that. I don't see why he can't come close to repeating the same numbers in 2014.

 
Back to back Charger TEs go off the board
Someone made a bad pick.
Green is a physical freak and could very easily be a top-5 TE in a couple of years, but I can't see him scoring enough to seriously contend for a TE1-type finish in '14 as long as Gates is on the field - and unlike certain other TEs with uber-talented sidekicks (*cough* Gresham *cough*), there's virtually no chance the Chargers will cut Gates and risk the ensuing PR firestorm.

I think Gates makes a decent pick at that spot if paired with a rookie or a young guy with lots of upside.

 
QB: Nick Foles PHI, Johnny Manziel TBD

RB: Doug Martin TB, Trent Richardson IND

WR: Dez Bryant DAL, Keenan Allen SD, Sammy Watkins TBD

TE: Charles Clay MIA

WR: I like my WR's. Dez Bryant will keep getting better and Allen had a very nice rookie season and I think will get better as well. I'm real high on Watkins. If he can put numbers up even close to what Allen did last season I will be extremely happy with that.
I understand the logic and I like the philosophy of pairing two high-upside guys behind Dez, but in the 5th round? You almost have to have Watkins put up Allen-type numbers to justify the pick - and if you look back over the history of rookie WRs the past few years, Allen was a massive outlier. Even rare talents like Dez, Gordon, and Demaryius have had relatively quiet rookie seasons. Gordon finished the best of all of them at 50/805/5 ... and there are an awful lot of guys who went after Watkins that I think are almost certain bets to do better than that.

 
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Back to back Charger TEs go off the board
Someone made a bad pick.
Green is a physical freak and could very easily be a top-5 TE in a couple of years, but I can't see him scoring enough to seriously contend for a TE1-type finish in '14 as long as Gates is on the field - and unlike certain other TEs with uber-talented sidekicks (*cough* Gresham *cough*), there's virtually no chance the Chargers will cut Gates and risk the ensuing PR firestorm.

I think Gates makes a decent pick at that spot if paired with a rookie or a young guy with lots of upside.
I like both players. I had Green as a sleeper pick and Gates was very good to me last year. Someone made a decent pick and someone overpaid, I'm just not sure who.

 
Back to back Charger TEs go off the board
Someone made a bad pick.
Green is a physical freak and could very easily be a top-5 TE in a couple of years, but I can't see him scoring enough to seriously contend for a TE1-type finish in '14 as long as Gates is on the field - and unlike certain other TEs with uber-talented sidekicks (*cough* Gresham *cough*), there's virtually no chance the Chargers will cut Gates and risk the ensuing PR firestorm.

I think Gates makes a decent pick at that spot if paired with a rookie or a young guy with lots of upside.
I like both players. I had Green as a sleeper pick and Gates was very good to me last year. Someone made a decent pick and someone overpaid, I'm just not sure who.
IMO the Chargers should move Green to WR2 opposite Keenan Allen.

 
Back to back Charger TEs go off the board
Someone made a bad pick.
Green is a physical freak and could very easily be a top-5 TE in a couple of years, but I can't see him scoring enough to seriously contend for a TE1-type finish in '14 as long as Gates is on the field - and unlike certain other TEs with uber-talented sidekicks (*cough* Gresham *cough*), there's virtually no chance the Chargers will cut Gates and risk the ensuing PR firestorm.

I think Gates makes a decent pick at that spot if paired with a rookie or a young guy with lots of upside.
I like both players. I had Green as a sleeper pick and Gates was very good to me last year. Someone made a decent pick and someone overpaid, I'm just not sure who.
IMO the Chargers should move Green to WR2 opposite Keenan Allen.
Gates has lost more than a step and Green is a young and explosive player. Don't know if they need to move him to WR but they need to get him on the field more. After Royal was injured and Green was tearing it up, you could see the difference in their offense once Royal took his spot back. Which begs the question, why is Royal getting reps over a guy whose upside is monstrous and Royal is what he is? Coaches and their decisions bother more than just me I am sure.

 
Back to back Charger TEs go off the board
Someone made a bad pick.
Green is a physical freak and could very easily be a top-5 TE in a couple of years, but I can't see him scoring enough to seriously contend for a TE1-type finish in '14 as long as Gates is on the field - and unlike certain other TEs with uber-talented sidekicks (*cough* Gresham *cough*), there's virtually no chance the Chargers will cut Gates and risk the ensuing PR firestorm.

I think Gates makes a decent pick at that spot if paired with a rookie or a young guy with lots of upside.
I like both players. I had Green as a sleeper pick and Gates was very good to me last year. Someone made a decent pick and someone overpaid, I'm just not sure who.
IMO the Chargers should move Green to WR2 opposite Keenan Allen.
Gates has lost more than a step and Green is a young and explosive player. Don't know if they need to move him to WR but they need to get him on the field more. After Royal was injured and Green was tearing it up, you could see the difference in their offense once Royal took his spot back. Which begs the question, why is Royal getting reps over a guy whose upside is monstrous and Royal is what he is? Coaches and their decisions bother more than just me I am sure.
Gates just put up 77 catches for 872 yards thats and 11.3 ypc, not too shabby for TE12 in this draft

Green put up 3 straight zeros in weeks 14,15,16.

granted He is a playmaker and should get on the field more in 2014.

I think the Chargers staff learned what they have, and they will use Green more in the coming year, and probably not at the expense of Gates

 
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Back to back Charger TEs go off the board
Someone made a bad pick.
Green is a physical freak and could very easily be a top-5 TE in a couple of years, but I can't see him scoring enough to seriously contend for a TE1-type finish in '14 as long as Gates is on the field - and unlike certain other TEs with uber-talented sidekicks (*cough* Gresham *cough*), there's virtually no chance the Chargers will cut Gates and risk the ensuing PR firestorm.

I think Gates makes a decent pick at that spot if paired with a rookie or a young guy with lots of upside.
I like both players. I had Green as a sleeper pick and Gates was very good to me last year. Someone made a decent pick and someone overpaid, I'm just not sure who.
IMO the Chargers should move Green to WR2 opposite Keenan Allen.
Gates has lost more than a step and Green is a young and explosive player. Don't know if they need to move him to WR but they need to get him on the field more. After Royal was injured and Green was tearing it up, you could see the difference in their offense once Royal took his spot back. Which begs the question, why is Royal getting reps over a guy whose upside is monstrous and Royal is what he is? Coaches and their decisions bother more than just me I am sure.
Gates just put up 77 catches for 872 yards thats and 11.3 ypc, not too shabby for TE12 in this draft

Green put up 3 straight zeros in weeks 14,15,16.

granted He is a playmaker and should get on the field more in 2014.

I think the Chargers staff learned what they have, and they will use Green more in the coming year, and probably not at the expense of Gates
I know Gates is still a good performing TE, but he has lost a step, not intended to insult him. I like him infact but just like any player who will be age 34 next year his better years are behind him. You can clearly see on the field he is not as explosive as he was and Green is only going to get better. My point was you don't have to move Green to WR with how they use TEs now and days but you need someone to take over for Gates eventually, might as well groom him now and that means start him anywhere where he can catch the ball for you..

 
in theory....Gates should be completely out of "steps" by now.....we have been taking them away from him for years now....we could probably go back through the last 5-6 years of these threads and see a post almost word for word to what false start just wrote about him....especially when he was going through all the foot stuff.....

 
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Brees - Stud

Bush, Jackson and Ridley - Like it. I am sure the Steves slid because of the unsexy appeal. Jackson was hurt most of the year and the team grossly underperformed due to many injuries. I do not think Blount will be the lead back next year. He is nothing special while I believe Ridley (if he holds on to the ball) is. The hoody went with what worked this year, but next year is a different story.

Decker, Cruz, Patterson - Cruz should have a bounce back year, things were a mess last year. I have a tendency to draft a lot of veterans coming off a bad year because the chances it was an anomaly are good. Cruz will be the the #1 target guy while Randle should prove a better #2 then Nicks and his bum legs this past year. Patterson, I love him quite honestly. He is about to come on the scene fast and furious with Turner as his OC.

Rudolph - Norv is a TE specialist, that is my reasoning.

 
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qb - Tony Romo

Happy with Romo, now just need to find a 2nd qb from the rest of the bunch.

rb - Vereen, L. Miller, Lacy

Love Lacy and Vereen. Miller to me is great value at that spot. He has the potential to me to do a lot better than last year. We shall see.

wr - Alshon, Harvin, wayne

Potential is off the charts but the risk is high with Harvin and Wayne both coming off injuries.

te - pitta

I look for Pitta to be the target in Baltimore next year and have a huge year in 2ppr leagues

happy with this squad. I feel ok at every spot. Just need to mine a qb2 somehow

 
1.06 Matt Forte

2.11 Gio Bernard

3.06 DeSean Jackson

4.11 Tom Brady

5.06 Julian Edelman

6.11 Marvin Jones

7.06 EJ Manuel

8.11 Eric Ebron
I think EJ manuel has some upside in his 2nd year. He had some pretty respectable games as a rookie. Was able to wait on TE cause I am willing to gamble on Eric Ebron returning top 10 TE performance this year. Locked in as a 1st round pick in the NFL Draft, Whoever takes him will have big plans for him. Hopefully he can capitalize on his gargantuan talent.

 
Fullback Fro said:
1.06 Matt Forte

2.11 Gio Bernard

3.06 DeSean Jackson

4.11 Tom Brady

5.06 Julian Edelman

6.11 Marvin Jones

7.06 EJ Manuel

8.11 Eric Ebron
I think EJ manuel has some upside in his 2nd year. He had some pretty respectable games as a rookie. Was able to wait on TE cause I am willing to gamble on Eric Ebron returning top 10 TE performance this year. Locked in as a 1st round pick in the NFL Draft, Whoever takes him will have big plans for him. Hopefully he can capitalize on his gargantuan talent.
Previous rookie TEs who have finished in the top 10 for comparison sake?

 
Fullback Fro said:
1.06 Matt Forte

2.11 Gio Bernard

3.06 DeSean Jackson

4.11 Tom Brady

5.06 Julian Edelman

6.11 Marvin Jones

7.06 EJ Manuel

8.11 Eric Ebron
I think EJ manuel has some upside in his 2nd year. He had some pretty respectable games as a rookie. Was able to wait on TE cause I am willing to gamble on Eric Ebron returning top 10 TE performance this year. Locked in as a 1st round pick in the NFL Draft, Whoever takes him will have big plans for him. Hopefully he can capitalize on his gargantuan talent.
Previous rookie TEs who have finished in the top 10 for comparison sake?
Rhetorical question? Not anyone in last 10 years...

 
4.13 - Russell Wilson, QB SEA
7.04 - Sam Bradford, QB STL
2.13 - C.J. Spiller, RB BUF

5.04 - Ben Tate, RB HOU
3.04 - Jordy Nelson, WR GBP
6.13 - DeAndre Hopkins, WR HOU
8.13 - Jeremy Maclin, WR PHI
1.04 - Jimmy Graham, TE NOS
Feeling better about my WRs than I did 3 rounds ago. Hopkins put up good numbers for a rookie and finished down the fantasy tables because he scored only twice, but TDs are highly variable - another target or two per game and some reversion to the TD mean and he'll be right there in WR2 territory. Maclin will either get good money to go somewhere where he can line up opposite a true #1, or stay put in the fantasy gold mine that is Chip Kelly's offense.

I think Wilson will be too good this year to call this a QBBC, but Bradford finally seemed to put it all together before getting hurt last year and the Rams seem determined to stick with him. He should be a fine backup plan if Wilson goes down or the Hawks get involved in a stretch of 10-7 wins.

I see a few teams I like better than mine at this point, to be honest, but still a long way to go.

 
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1.06 Matt Forte

2.11 Gio Bernard

3.06 DeSean Jackson

4.11 Tom Brady

5.06 Julian Edelman

6.11 Marvin Jones

7.06 EJ Manuel

8.11 Eric Ebron
I think EJ manuel has some upside in his 2nd year. He had some pretty respectable games as a rookie. Was able to wait on TE cause I am willing to gamble on Eric Ebron returning top 10 TE performance this year. Locked in as a 1st round pick in the NFL Draft, Whoever takes him will have big plans for him. Hopefully he can capitalize on his gargantuan talent.
Previous rookie TEs who have finished in the top 10 for comparison sake?
Rhetorical question? Not anyone in last 10 years...
Didn't Gronk? I didn't check but I remember him having like 12 tds his rookie year.Edit to add he add he had 10 tds and on the FBG player page in 2010 he finished 5th.

 
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8.16 Geno Smith QB NYJ

9.01 Mike Glennon QB TB
Good strategy I guess. While it may hurt someone at backup QB, does it really help your team and keep you surviving? I don't know. Either way, neither QB you picked just then is that great so who knows what upside they have in 2014, will they even start for the respective teams? :shrug:

 
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8.16 Geno Smith QB NYJ

9.01 Mike Glennon QB TB
Good strategy I guess. While it may hurt someone at backup QB, does it really help your team and keep you surviving? I don't know. Either way, neither QB you picked just then is that great so who knows what upside they have in 2014, will they even start for the respective teams? :shrug:
If I'm not mistaken, the only QB on his team up to this point was Alex Smith. With 20 spots on the roster and Alex Smith as my QB1, yeah, I'm probably taking 3 QBs too. Might as well take guys who are at least somewhat likely to start next season.

 
Fullback Fro said:
1.06 Matt Forte

2.11 Gio Bernard

3.06 DeSean Jackson

4.11 Tom Brady

5.06 Julian Edelman

6.11 Marvin Jones

7.06 EJ Manuel

8.11 Eric Ebron
I think EJ manuel has some upside in his 2nd year. He had some pretty respectable games as a rookie. Was able to wait on TE cause I am willing to gamble on Eric Ebron returning top 10 TE performance this year. Locked in as a 1st round pick in the NFL Draft, Whoever takes him will have big plans for him. Hopefully he can capitalize on his gargantuan talent.
Previous rookie TEs who have finished in the top 10 for comparison sake?
Rhetorical question? Not anyone in last 10 years...
Didn't Gronk? I didn't check but I remember him having like 12 tds his rookie year.Edit to add he add he had 10 tds and on the FBG player page in 2010 he finished 5th.
John Carlson finished 7th in 2008

 
Fullback Fro said:
1.06 Matt Forte

2.11 Gio Bernard

3.06 DeSean Jackson

4.11 Tom Brady

5.06 Julian Edelman

6.11 Marvin Jones

7.06 EJ Manuel

8.11 Eric Ebron
I think EJ manuel has some upside in his 2nd year. He had some pretty respectable games as a rookie. Was able to wait on TE cause I am willing to gamble on Eric Ebron returning top 10 TE performance this year. Locked in as a 1st round pick in the NFL Draft, Whoever takes him will have big plans for him. Hopefully he can capitalize on his gargantuan talent.
Previous rookie TEs who have finished in the top 10 for comparison sake?
Rhetorical question? Not anyone in last 10 years...
Didn't Gronk? I didn't check but I remember him having like 12 tds his rookie year.Edit to add he add he had 10 tds and on the FBG player page in 2010 he finished 5th.
John Carlson finished 7th in 2008
I'll give you Carlson. Gronk wasn't top 10 that year in this format. Maybe non PPR.

 
Cam Newton, Joe Flacco
Jamaal Charles, Danny Woodhead
Larry Fitzgerald, Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings, Harry Douglas
Heath Miller

I'm pretty happy with this so far. Need to get some #### to stick to the wall with some late RB picks but I can do that, I think.

 
5.10 Jay Cutler

6.07 Robert Griffin III

1.10 Marshawn Lynch

8.07 Darren McFadden

2.07 Antonio Brown

3.10 Vincent Jackson

7.10 Dwayne Bowe

4.07 Greg Olsen

Solid foundation..

I probably like this team more than most, as it offers a nice blend of consistency and upside.

 
5.10 Jay Cutler

6.07 Robert Griffin III

1.10 Marshawn Lynch

8.07 Darren McFadden

2.07 Antonio Brown

3.10 Vincent Jackson

7.10 Dwayne Bowe

4.07 Greg Olsen
Another core that seems custom-built to do well in a survivor league format. I especially like the Cutler/RG3 combo as they should deliver some huge weeks for you.

It's funny, on talent alone I'd rank my team as pretty much a push with yours, but I think I'm a lot more likely to flame out early than you are.

 
So far in WSL2, we have had 9 rookies go off the board in 9 rounds: 3 QBs, 4 RBs, a WR, and a TE. Nine!

In last year's three WSLs, the first rook not named Lacy or Bernard to be taken was Keenan Allen, in WSL1, at the lofty 11.05 spot ... behind such luminaries as Greg Little, Felix Jones, and Kevin Kolb.

I'm not sayin' it's right or wrong, mind you ... I'm just sayin'.

 
Cam Newton, Joe Flacco

Jamaal Charles, Danny Woodhead

Larry Fitzgerald, Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings, Harry Douglas

Heath Miller

I'm pretty happy with this so far. Need to get some #### to stick to the wall with some late RB picks but I can do that, I think.
I like it, the only pick I didn't like was Harry Douglas, maybe a little high but I like the rest where you got them.

 
5.10 Jay Cutler

6.07 Robert Griffin III

1.10 Marshawn Lynch

8.07 Darren McFadden

2.07 Antonio Brown

3.10 Vincent Jackson

7.10 Dwayne Bowe

4.07 Greg Olsen

Solid foundation..

I probably like this team more than most, as it offers a nice blend of consistency and upside.
I can see what you are saying, I like your Wrs. To be a winner, you will need RG3 to return to form. Cutler will be Cutler, he'll help but when it gets down to it, you will need some big scores by RG3, which is possible.

 
Stafford

Luck

Z. Stacey

MJD

Carols Hyde

KaDeem Carey

D. Thomas

Anquan Boldan

Terrence Williams

Jared Cook

I need 1 of my rookie RB picks to be a RB2. I Like the addition of Terrence Williams, the new Dallas OC from Detroit is pass happy and Williams should, should be a decent Wr2 on that team.

TE is my weekness, I plan to go deep at that spot. I wanted Pitta but went a little before me, was going to take Fleener but picked right before me, I will try and make it work.

 
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Aaron Rodgers QB GB

Frank Gore RB SF
Montee Ball RB DEN


Pierre Thomas RB NOS

Torrey Smith WR BAL
Rueben Randle WR NYG


Brian Hartline WR MIA

Riley Cooper WR PHI

Rob Gronkowski TE NEP

Coby Fleener TE IND

 
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QB - Nick Foles PHI

QB - Johnny Manziel Rookie

RB - Doug Martin TB

RB - Trent Richardson IND

RB - Jeremy Hill Rookie

WR - Dez Bryant DAL

WR - Keenan Allen SD

WR- Sammy Watkins Rookie

WR - Hakeem Nicks Free Agent

TE - Charles Clay MIA

 

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